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ILLINOIS POLLUTION CONTROL

BOARD

IN THE MATTER OF:

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WATER QUALITY STANDARDS AND

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R08-09

EFFLUENT LIMITATIONS FOR THE

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(Rulemaking

CHICAGO AREA WATERWAY SYSTEM

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Water)

AND THE LOWER DES PLAINES

RIVER:

PROPOSED AMENDMENTS

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TO 35

Ill. Adm.

Code

Parts

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301, 302, 303 and 304

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po,iT

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REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS held in the

above-entitled

cause

before Hearing Officer Marie

Tipsord, called

the Illinois Pollution Control

Board, taken before Laura Mukahirn,

CSR,

notary

public

within

and for the

County of Cook and State

of Illinois,

the Michael A. Bilandic Building,

160 North LaSalle St., Chicago,

Illinois, on

the

29th day

of July, 2009, commencing

the hour of

9:00

a.m.

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APPEARANCES

MS. MARIE TIPSORD, Hearing

Officer

MR.

TANNER GIPARD, Acting Chairman

MR.

THOMAS JOHNSON, Member

MR. ANAND RAO, Member

MR. GARY BLANKENSHIP,

Member

MS. ALISA

LIU, Member

MR.

SHUNDAR LIN, Member

appearing on behalf of

the Illinois

Pollution Control

Board

ILLINOIS

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

1021 North Grand Avenue East

P.O. Box 19276

Springfield, Illinois

62794-9276

(217)782-5544

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MS. DEBORAH WILLIAMS

MS. STEPHANIE DIERS

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IDlERS: But

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I did not.

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Good morning,

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