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ILLINOIS POLLUTION
CONTROL BOARD
FOX
MORAINE, L.L.C.,
Petitioner,
-vs-
)
PCB 07-146
UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE,
)
CITY COUNCIL,
)
RECEIVED
CLERK’S
OFgQ
Respondent,
)
APR272009
KENDALL COUNTY,
STATE
OF
ILLINOIS
)
Pollution
Control
Board
Intervenor.
REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS taken before
Tamara
Manganiello,
Registered Professional Reporter
and
Notary Public,
at
902 Game Farm
Road, Yorkville,
Illinois, commencing
at
the
9:00
a.m., on the
23rd
day
of April, A.D.,
2009.
Page
2
1
APPEARANCES:
2
ILLINOIS
POLLUTION
CONTROL
BOARD
3
100
West
Randolph
Street
Suite
11-500
4
Chicago,
Illinois
60601
(312)
814-3461
5
BY:
MR.
BRADLEY
HALLORAN,
HEARING
OFFICER
6
MUELLER
ANDERSON,
P.C.
7
609 Etna
Road
Ottawa,
Illinois
61350
8
(815)
431-1500
BY:
MR. GEORGE
MUELLER
9
On
behalf
of
Fox Moraine,
L.L.C.;
10
11
WILDMAN,
HARROLD,
ALLEN & DIXON,
L.L.P.
225 West
Wacker
Drive
12
Chicago,
Illinois
60606-1229
(312) 201-2000
13
BY:
MR. LEO
P. DOMBROWSKI
MR.
ANTHONY
G. HOPP
14
On
behalf
of United City
of
Yorkville;
15
16
MOMKUS
MCCLUSKEY,
L.L.C.
1001
Warrenville
Road
17
Suite
500
Lisle,
Illinois
60532
18
(630)
434-0400
BY:
MR.
JAJVIES
F. MCCLUSKEY
19
MR. JAMES
S. HARKNES
S
20
Appeared
on
behalf
of
Kendall
County,
Intervenor.
21
22
23
24
Page
3
1
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Good
2
morning,
everyone.
My
name
is Bradley
3
Halloran.
I’m
a hearing
officer
with the
4
Illinois
Pollution
Control
Board. This
is
5
the
third
day
of
the
hearings
in
case
number
6
PCB 7-146.
Again,
it’s entitled
Fox Moraine,
7
L.L.C.,
petitioner, versus
United City
of
8
Yorkville,
City
Council, the
respondent,
and
9
then
we
have Kendall
County,
the
intervenor.
10
Again,
this
hearing was
started
on
11
April
21st.
It went
yesterday,
April
22nd.
12
And
today is April
23rd, approximately
13
9:00 a.m.
14
And
as a refresher,
again,
I’m
a
15
hearing
officer.
I will
not
be making the
16
ultimate
determination
in the
case. That’s
17
left
up to
the Board members.
They will
18
review
the record
and
the
transcript and
any
19
post-hearing
briefing
schedules
-- any
20
post-hearing
briefs that
are
filed.
21
In
a while, after
Yorkville
rests
22
its
case
in chief,
I’ll
set
a
post-hearing
23
briefing
schedule
which
will
include
a time
24
for
the
parties
to
file
their briefs,
and
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1
there’s an
amicus brief coming in and
also a
2
time
to tile your public
comment if
you so
3
choose.
4
With that said,
I guess we can
get
5
started, Mr. Dombrowski,
Mr. Hopp.
6
MR.
DOMBROWSKI:
Thank
you,
7
Mr. Hearing
Officer. We would like
to
call
8
Mr.
Donald Hamman.
9
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Good
10
morning, Mr.
Hamman.
11
(Witness
sworn.)
12
WHEREUPON:
13
DONALD
J.
HAMMAN
14
called as
a
witness herein,
having been first
duly
15
sworn, was examined and
testified
as
follows:
16
DIRECT
EXAMINATION
17
BY MR. DOMBROWSKI:
18
Q.
Would
you state your full name,
19
please,
sir?
20
A.
Donald J.
Hamman.
21
Q.
And.
Mr.
Hamman,
you
are
a resident
22
of Piano,
Illinois, correct?
23
A.
Unincorporated Piano.
We live in
a
24
rural area.
Page
5
1
Q.
And how
long have
you
lived
there?
2
A.
Ten
years.
3
Q.
How
far is
Piano
from
Yorkviiie?
4
A.
Approximately
five
miles.
5
Q.
Are
you
a lifelong
resident
of
the
6
Plano/Yorkville
area?
7
A.
I’m
approximately
a 37-year
resident.
8
Q.
What
is
your relationship
to
Fox
9
Moraine,
L.L.C.?
10
A.
I’m
the
manager
of
Fox
Moraine,
L.L.C.
11
Q.
And
you are the sole
managing
member;
12
is that
correct?
13
A.
Yes.
14
Q.
And
you
have an ownership
interest
in
15
Fox
Moraine?
16
A.
Yes.
17
Q.
What is
that ownership
interest?
18
A.
We
have approximately
a
51
percent
19
interest.
20
Q.
That is
yours,
51
percent?
21
A.
And my family.
22
Q.
And
who
owns
the other 49
percent?
23
A.
Grote
Industries.
24
Q.
And
Grote
is
a
waste hauler,
correct?
Page 6
1
A.
Yes.
2
Q.
When was Fox
Moraine, L.L.C., formed?
3
A.
Approximately
two-and--a-half years
4
ago.
5
Q.
And Fox Moraine,
L.L.C., was formed
to
6
seek the siting of
a landfill, correct?
7
A.
That is correct.
8
Q.
Who owns the property
that is -- that
9
forms the proposed landfill
site?
10
A.
Fox Moraine.
11
Q.
The L.L.C. owns --
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
-- that property?
14
A.
Correct.
15
Q.
Did
at some point an entity called
16
Northstar Trust own
that property?
17
A.
Yes.
18
Q.
And
you say
the
ownership has changed
19
at
some point?
20
A.
When
the dollars exchanged hands, it
21
changed.
22
Q.
What
do you
mean
by
that?
23
A.
Well, when Grote
Industries bought
24
into the L.L.C.
Page 7
1
Q.
Who
are the
beneficiaries of the
2
Northstar Trust?
3
A.
Donald
J. and Carol
S.
Hamman.
4
Q.
Anyone
else?
5
A.
Not
to
my
recollection.
6
Q.
Mr. Hamman,
you signed the host
7
agreement
as the managing member
of Fox Moraine,
8
correct?
9
A.
What
do you mean
by post
agreement?
10
Q.
Host
agreement.
11
A.
Oh, the host
agreement,
yes.
12
Q.
And
you would
be
-- is it fair
to
say
13
you’re the main person behind
Fox Moraine, L.L.C.?
14
MR. MUELLER:
I think that’s
been
15
asked and answered.
16
BY THE WITNESS:
17
A.
I have
a --
18
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Overruled.
19
BY THE WITNESS:
20
A.
I have
a
management
team
that
I rely
21
upon. The
success of my business -- in all of
my
22
business years, I’ve never
micromanaged any of my
23
projects. I take the advice
of
my
management team.
24
And if
they recommend it, I
go
along with
it.
Page 8
1
Q.
But
as you just stated, though, for
2
example,
you
signed
the host agreement on behalf of
3
the L.L.C.,
correct?
4
A.
Yes.
5
Q.
You
signed the check for the
6
application fee
for the siting process on behalf
of
7
the L.L.C.,
correct?
8
A.
I don’t recall
if I signed it. The
9
checking comes
out of -- Grote Industries has
been
10
issuing
all the checks. They have
a
very large
11
accounting department.
12
Q.
You signed the
cover letter that’s
13
transmitted the application
to the City of
14
Yorkville, correct?
15
A.
Yes.
Could I
see
that letter?
16
Q.
Sure.
17
MR. MUELLER: Mr. Halloran, if
it will
18
help and
speed
things
up,
we’ll
stipulate
19
that the buck
stops
with Mr.
Hamman. He’s
20
the person ultimately
in charge.
21
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
22
Mr.
Dombrowski?
23
MR. DOMBROWSKI:
We
accept
that
24
stipulation.
Page
9
1
BY MR.
DOMBROWSKI:
2
Q.
Would
you
still like
to see
the
3
letter, Mr. Hamman,
or the check?
4
A.
Yes.
5
(Document
marked as
6
Yorkville
Exhibit
7
No.2for
8
identification,
9
04/23/09.)
10
BY MR. DOMBROWSKI:
11
Q.
Mr. Hamman, let me show
you
what
I
12
have marked
as Yorkville Exhibit No. 2.
13
MR. DOMBROWSKI:
And I have one
for
14
Counsel,
also one for the Hearing Officer.
15
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Thank
you,
16
sir.
17
(Document marked
as
18
Yorkville Exhibit
19
No. 3 for
20
identification,
21
04/23/09.)
22
BY MR. DOMBROWSKI:
23
Q.
Also, let me hand
you
what I have
24
marked
as
Yorkville
Exhibit No. 3.
Page
10
MR.
DOMBROWSKI:
I
also
have
one
for
the
Hearing
Officer
and
Mr.
Mueller.
BY
MR.
DOMBROWSKI:
Q.
Can
you
tell
me
what
--
and
these
are
also
taken
from
the
record
on
appeal
in
this
case.
Exhibit
2
bears
the
Bates
numbers
of
C00890.
Exhibit
3
is
C00891.
What
is
Exhibit
No.
2,
Mr.
Hamman?
A.
It
is
the
check
written
to
the
United
City
of
Yorkville
for
$100,000.
Q.
And
that
was
the
application
fee
in
this
matter
or
at
least
the
initial
fee?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
And
that
is
your
signature,
correct?
That
is
correct.
And
what
is
Exhibit
3?
It’s
the
siting
application
for
Fox
was hand
delivered
to
the
United
City
with
my
signature
on
it.
That’s
your
signature,
correct?
That’s
correct.
And
you
signed
as
the
manager
member
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
It
1
le
Moraine.
of
Yorkvi
Q.
A.
Q.
23
of
Fox Moraine?
24
A.
That’s
correct.
Page 11
1
Q.
And the application
was filed
on
2
December
1st, 2006?
3
A.
That
is correct.
4
Q.
When
you
filed
the
application
on
5
December
1st, 2006,
you
knew
that
the City
of
6
Yorkville
would
be holding elections
in April 2007,
7
correct?
8
A.
Yes.
9
Q.
And
you knew
when you
filed the
10
application
that Mayor
Art Prochaska
would
be
up for
11
re-election?
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
And
you
knew when you
filed the
14
application that
four of the
eight aldermanic
seats
15
were
up
for election,
correct?
16
A.
Yes.
17
Q.
And you knew
that
the hearings
on
your
18
landfill
application
would
be
held
in the spring
of
19
2007, correct?
20
A.
Yes.
21
Q.
And
you
knew when
you
filed the
22
application
that the
election campaigns
of the
23
various
candidates
would
be
happening
at
the
same
24
time
as
the
hearings
on your
landfill application,
Page 12
1
correct?
2
A.
Yes.
3
Q.
Now
as
far
as you
know, Mr. Hamman,
4
nothing prevented
you from filing the
application
5
any earlier, correct?
6
A.
Well, it was recommended that we
do
it
7
then
because
we were waiting for additional
8
engineering. We wanted
to
have the safest
and
the
9
best
landfill
study
done and that’s -- the time went
10
on and that’s why it approached December 1.
11
Q.
Now
you
remember
that
I took your
12
deposition in this matter,
Mr.
Hamman?
13
A.
Yes.
14
Q.
Let me
show you your deposition
15
transcript.
Handing
you the deposition transcript
16
from your deposition, if I could refer
you to
the
17
bottom of Page
9,
Line 23.
18
A.
Whereabouts now?
19
Q.
Line 23
at
the bottom of Page
9.
20
A.
Yes.
21
Q.
Do
you
see
that
you
were asked:
So
as
22
you sit here nothing that
you
know of that would
23
have prevented Fox Moraine, L.L.C., from filing
its
24
landfill application earlier than December of 2006,
Page
13
1
correct?
You were
asked
that question?
2
A.
It
must
be
on the
-- I don’t
find it
3
on Page
9.
Could
you please
come
and show me that?
4
Q.
The
page
numbers are
here
at
the
5
bottom.
This
Page
9
here
(indicating).
6
A.
Okay.
7
Q.
Do
you
see that question
beginning
on
8
Line
23?
9
A.
Yes,
I
do.
10
Q.
And
you were asked
that
question
on
11
that
day,
correct?
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
And
then
you
see
Line
8
of
Page
10?
14
A.
Yes.
15
Q.
You
first answered
I
don’t know;
is
16
that
right?
17
A.
Uh-huh.
18
Q.
You
have
to
answer out
loud, sir.
19
A.
Yes.
20
Q.
And
then
I asked you, nothing
that
you
21
know of,
correct;
do
you
see
that?
22
A.
Once again,
I took the
recommendations
23
from my management
team.
24
Q.
I’m
just
asking
you, you
were
asked
Page
14
1
that
question,
correct?
2
A.
Yes.
3
Q.
And
you
said,
not
that
I
know,
4
correct?
5
A.
That’s
correct.
6
Q.
And
you
took
an
oath on
that
day to
7
tell
the
truth,
correct?
8
A.
Idid.
9
Q.
And
nothing
would
have
prevented
you
10
from
filing
the application
later
than
December
1st,
11
2006,
correct?
12
A.
Not
that
I know
of.
13
Q.
Yet
you still
chose
to
file
it on
14
December
1st, 2006,
about
four-and-a-half
months
15
before
the
elections,
right?
16
A.
Yes.
17
Q.
And when
you
filed
the application
you
18
knew
that
the possible
siting
of
a
landfill
in the
19
City
of
Yorkville
could
become
a
big, contentious,
20
controversial
issue
during
the
election
campaigns,
21
correct?
22
A.
Some
cities
welcome
a
landfill
and
23
others
don’t,
so...
24
Q.
But
you
knew
possibly
that it
--
Page
15
1
A.
Yes.
2
Q.
-- could
be
a controversial
issue,
3
right?
4
A.
Correct.
5
Q.
Mr.
Hamman,
you have
a
subscription
to
6
the
Beacon
News,
do you
not?
7
A.
Yes.
8
Q.
And you’ve
had that
subscription
for
9
some
time?
10
A.
A
number
of years.
11
Q.
You
get
the
paper
delivered
daily?
12
A.
We
do.
13
Q.
And
you
had
that
subscription
both
in
14
2006
and
2007,
correct?
15
A.
Yes.
16
Q.
And
do
you remember
an
article
two
17
days
before
the
before
April
17th
elections
that
18
came out
on April
15th,
which
was
a
Sunday?
19
A.
Yes.
20
Q.
And various
candidates
were quoted
21
regarding
their
positions
on
the
proposed
landfill,
22
correct?
23
A.
That’s
correct.
24
Q.
And
you
recall
reading
that
article
on
Page 16
1
that
day,
April
the
15th?
2
A.
Yes.
3
Q.
And
upon
reading that
article
you
4
thought
that
candidates
Joe Plocher,
Robyn
Sutcliffe
5
and Wally
Werderich were
all biased
against the
6
proposed landfill,
correct?
7
A.
In my
reading
of it,
it indicated
to
8
me that they
were
biased,
yes.
9
Q.
You called
Charlie
Murphy
on that
day
10
or
the next
day to
talk
about
the
article?
11
A.
It
would have been
probably
the
next
12
day.
I didn’t
want
to
bother
him on
a
Sunday.
But
13
I did
alert him
to it
because
he does
not
receive
14
the Kendall
County
edition of the
Aurora
Beacon
15
News.
16
Q.
And
you
two discussed
your conclusion
17
that these
candidates
were
biased,
right?
18
A.
I indicated
that I
had some
concern
19
that
they were biased,
yes,
I did.
20
Q.
And
you also relayed
that
concern
to
21
Mr.
Burnham;
is that right?
22
A.
Yes.
23
Q.
It also
would
have
been
the following
24
day,
Monday,
April 16th?
Page 17
1
A.
Sunday or
Monday. But most likely it
2
would
have been on Monday
because
I don’t burden him
3
on weekends with --
4
Q.
Now
let
me ask
you about some of the
5
other aldermen.
You’re aware that Alderman Golinski
6
voted no on the landfill application?
7
A.
Yes.
8
Q.
And are
you claiming he was biased?
9
A.
Well,
I think he was probably
10
pressured
by
the other aldermen when he
seen
the
way
11
the outcome was
to
vote the way
he
did.
12
Q.
My question is
are you claiming he
13
also was biased the way
the other three that we’ve
14
just
talked
about
were
biased?
15
MR.
MUELLER:
I think he’s answered
16
the
question, Mr. Halloran.
17
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
I’ll
allow
18
a
little more. Overruled. If
you can answer
19
the question.
20
BY THE WITNESS:
21
A.
No.
22
BY MR.
DOMBROWSKI:
23
Q.
And you’re aware
that
Alderman Leslie
24
voted
no
on the application?
Page 18
1
A.
Yes.
2
Q.
Are
you
claiming that he was biased?
3
A.
Yes.
4
Q.
And it was your conclusion that
before
5
the vote on the application was taken on May 24th,
6
2007, that Alderman Leslie was biased, correct?
7
A.
Yes.
8
Q.
And
you
know
that
Alderman Munns
voted
9
no on the application?
10
A.
Yes.
11
Q.
Are
you
also claiming that he was
12
biased
against the
proposed
landfill?
13
A.
Yes,
I
am.
14
Q.
And that was
your
conclusion prior
to
15
the vote on May 24th, correct?
16
A.
That is correct.
17
MR. DOMBROWSKI:
Nothing further,
18
Mr. Hearing Officer.
19
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
Thank
you,
20
Mr. Dombrowsk±.
Before I forget, I just want
21
to introduce the attorneys for the parties
22
here. I neglected
to do
that.
23
From my right
to
left we have
24
Mr. James Harkness
and
Mr. James McCluskey
Page 19
1
for Kendall
County, intervenor, and we have
2
Mr.
George Mueller for Fox Moraine and we
3
have Mr. Leo Dombrowski and
Mr. Anthony Hopp
4
for City of
Yorkville. Thank
you.
5
MR. MUELLER:
Just
a
couple,
6
Mr. Hamman.
7
CROSS EXAMINATION
8
BY MR. MUELLER:
9
Q.
With regard
to
whether or not
there
10
was enough information
to
make
a
good
faith motion
11
to
disqualify anyone for
bias, did you leave that
12
decision
to
your
management team?
13
MR.
DOMBROWSKI: I’ll
object,
it
calls
14
for
a
legal
conclusion
as to
whether there
15
was enough
information.
16
MR. MUELLER:
No.
The question is
did
17
he make the decision or leave
it
to
someone
18
else, not whether
there was enough
19
information.
20
MR.
DOMBROWSKI:
I think thats
a
21
different
question.
22
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
You
may
23
answer.
24
BY
THE WITNESS:
Page
20
1
A.
I left it entirely
up
to
my management
2
team. As
I emphasized before, I rely on surrounding
3
myself with good people. That’s the reason for my
4
success.
I took their advice
and I left it up
to
5
them.
6
Q.
We hope
to
justify your confidence,
7
Mr. Hamman.
8
MR. MUELLER:
No further questions.
9
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Thank
you.
10
Mr. Dombrowski?
11
MR. DOMBROWSKI:
Nothing further.
12
HEARING OFFICER
HALLOPJ\N:
Thank
you,
13
Mr. Hamman.
You may
step down.
Glad to
see
14
you’re back in
good health.
15
THE
WITNESS:
Likewise.
16
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
Before we
17
go
off the record and briefly discuss the
18
exhibits again --
19
MR. HOPP: Mr.
Hearing
Officer, I’m
20
sorry
to
interrupt.
I did receive a note
21
that
there’s
a
member of the public who might
22
like
to
make
a
comment.
23
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
That was
my
24
next
step.
Actually,
I
should have asked if
Page
21
1
Yorkville
has
rested your
case?
2
MR. DOMBROWSKI:
Yes, we
do.
3
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Okay.
Fox
4
Moraine, any
rebuttal?
5
MR. MUELLER:
No rebuttal?
6
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
At
7
this time, any
members of the public that
8
would like
to
get up
here and give an oral
9
statement or
a
public
comment, please come
10
up.
11
(Whereupon,
a discussion
12
was had off the
record.)
13
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Yes,
sir.
14
Come
on up here. Again,
you
have
a choice,
15
you can make an oral statement under
oath and
16
you’re
subject to
cross
examination or
just
17
get up
here and
do public comment
to say your
18
peace.
19
MR.
LUDWIKOWSKI:
I can
go
under
oath.
20
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Okay.
And
21
you’re subject
to
cross.
22
MR.
LUDWIKOWSKI:
If Mr. Mueller would
23
cross, I would
be glad
to
allow him
to do
24
that.
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1
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
And
it must
2
be
relevant. Raise your right hand and Tammi
3
will swear
you
in.
4
(Witness sworn.)
5
THE WITNESS:
Stan R. Ludwikowski,
6
L-U-D-W-I-K-O-W-S--K-I. I’m
a
resident of
7
Yorkville. I’ve been
a
resident --
8
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
Okay.
We
9
have your name.
Just
speak
to
the crowd and
10
keep your voice
up,
please.
11
MR. LUDWIKOWSKI:
I understand
that
12
this hearing is
to
determine the
fundamental
13
fairness of the original siting
hearings.
14
During that hearing we
were
15
repeatedly told
about
how the proposed
16
landfill was the safest and
best
and the fact
17
it was reiterated
this morning
by
Mr. Hamman
18
that this was the safest
and
best
landfill in
19
the
state
of Illinois.
20
The representative from
Shaw
21
Engineering made that very clear over and
22
over.
And the
council members and the
23
residents of Yorkville
were repeatedly told
24
about how this was the best design out
there.
Page 23
1
And
yet
when I had
an opportunity
to
review
2
the proposal, there was
a huge flaw
in
the
3
design.
4
MR. MUELLER:
Mr. Halloran, I’m
going
5
to
interpose
an objection
at
this point in
6
time. The record is
closed
as to
the
7
substantive criteria.
I think this witness
8
intends
to
offer technical information
on
9
criterion
two, and that’s not the
scope of
10
this hearing.
That record is closed.
11
If it was public
comment, it’d
be
12
appropriate
to
give him some leeway. But
to
13
the extent that he’s
chosen to
be
sworn and
14
now
is going
to
purport
to
offer
substantive
15
expert
testimony on
a
criterion, that’s
16
completely
inappropriate.
17
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
I’ll
allow
18
him
a
little
leeway. Feel free
to object at
19
a
later time, Mr. Mueller. Again,
you may
20
proceed.
21
MR.
LUDWIKOWSKI:
I don’t claim
to be
22
an expert. This is
just public comment.
23
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
Well,
it’s
24
not
public. It’s an oral statement and
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1
you’re under oath,
so --
2
THE
WITNESS: That’s fine.
I think
3
because of some of the things
that were
4
pointed
out
during
the original hearing, it’s
5
very evident
that the council made the
6
appropriate decision
based
on what
was
7
presented during those
hearings.
8
I don’t
believe that there was any
9
preconceived
notion on the members of the
10
council. I believe that
based on the facts
11
that were presented, that
the appropriate
12
decision was made.
13
It’s kind
of like the
safety
of
14
the landfill is
based on the monitoring
wells
15
and it’s kind
of like you’re trying
to
16
collect the
water from the landfill in
a
17
bucket and you’re pouring the water
in the
18
top
of the bucket and
there’s no bottom
to
19
the bucket.
20
The
bottom of the bucket is the
21
monitoring
wells around the landfill. And
22
there were no monitoring wells downstream
of
23
the landfill for 25 years. After --
24
MR. MUELLER:
Again,
I’m going to
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1
object
at
this point, Mr. Halloran. This
2
clearly is now technical criterion two
3
evidence.
4
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
Sir?
5
MR. LUDWIKOWSKI:
I
just
feel that --
6
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
The record
7
is closed now,
but
I’ll allow
you a
little
8
more leeway. You
stated
you’re not an
expert
9
and the Board will weigh your testimony
10
accordingly.
11
MR. LUDWIKOWSKI:
I think that what
12
came
out
during the hearings was
adequate to
13
make the correct decision. That the fact
14
that,
you
know, the representative of Shaw
15
Engineering indicated that they would change
16
the design
based
on monitoring well
location
17
to
me
says that it puts doubt in your mind
as
18
to
the
safety of the entire facility.
19
And based on those
doubts,
that’s
20
what the decision was
based
on. No
21
preconceived notion
by
council members or
22
that. But the facts brought
out
during
the
23
hearing
show that there was adequate reason
24
to
deny
this landfill. I don’t have anything
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1
else.
2
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
Thank
you,
3
sir. Mr. Mueller?
4
MR.
MUELLER:
I have no questions.
5
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
You may
6
step
down. Thank
you, sir.
7
Would
you like
to
give public
8
comment?
9
MR. JOHNSON:
Public comment.
10
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
Have
11
a seat.
12
MR.
JOHNSON:
Can I stand?
13
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Whatever
14
you
feel
more comfortable with.
Just state
15
your name loudly.
16
MR. JOHNSON:
Mark A. Johnson from
17
Yorkville.
18
Good
morning,
my name is Mark
19
Johnson. I’ve lived
in Yorkville for
20
59
years.
I’d love
to
make
a
couple of
21
comments
today.
22
Incorrect information
was provided
23
by a
witness yesterday
concerning my signs
24
being
removed
from
the Beecher Center per the
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27
1
hearing
officer. My signs were
really not
2
signs,
but instead were
storyboards. I
3
developed these
and displayed them
at
various
4
functions
and community educational
sessions.
5
I was
disappointed that the team
6
of
people who were
showing their biased
7
information in
support of the landfill
didn’t
8
provide
information from the other
side of
9
the
argument.
10
These
displays were approximately
11
two-foot
by three-foot storyboards showing
12
why landfills
are not necessarily
good
13
neighbors.
I
set up
the displays
at
the
back
14
of the room
near the huge 3D display of
15
future
landfill site that the landfill
16
proponents had
at
each and
every meeting.
17
The
landfill’s lawyer team
18
protested
to
the
hearing officer and wanted
19
them removed from
the hearing.
20
The hearing officer instructed
the
21
city
council that they should not view
these
22
displays and this information,
but that the
23
landfill opposition had
the right
to
display
24
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Page
29
1
to
ordinary
citizens
and
their
rights.
2
The
FOGY
members
were
always
3
respectful
of
the
landfill
proponents
at
all
4
times
during
the
many
long, torturous
days
of
5
the
hearings.
6
My
final
comment
is about
why
the
7
landfill
hearings
were
even
necessary
to
8
begin
with.
First
and foremost,
the
Kendall
9
County
board
alone opened
the
landfill
siting
10
process
by changing
the
county
policy
11
allowing
landfills
to come
to
the
area.
12
The
City
of Yorkville
didn’t
13
create
this
mess
and
neither
did
Don
Hamman.
14
The
citizens
must
never
forget
that the
whole
15
landfill
debacle
must
be
squarely
placed
on
16
the lap
of
the tipping
fee hungry
county
17
board.
They
alone
are
responsible
for
18
opening
Pandora’s
box.
19
Don
Hamman
was
working
closely
20
with our
Kendall
County
board for
months
21
trying
to
get
enough
votes
to
allow
a
22
landfill
to be
sited
on
his property.
23
When
it
became
obvious
that
24
Mr.
Hamman
was
going
to be
required
to
pay
Page
30
1
higher
tipping fees
to the county than he was
2
willing
to pay, he took his landfill
to
the
3
City of
Yorkville where comments were
heard
4
that
he owned the city
government and would
5
strike
a
better
deal with them.
6
I don’t fault Mr. Hamman for
7
playing
one side against the other,
after
8
all,
that is how most
political games are
9
played in the
state of Illinois these
days as
10
evidenced
by
the rampant corruption
11
throughout the
state
in the last few
years
12
and
more specifically the most
-- at most
13
landfill
sitings, especially in Kankakee.
14
The statements made
by the
15
landfill proponents that
they have been
16
treated unfair is
like telling David he was
17
unfair
to Goliath. Thank
you
for giving
me
18
this
opportunity
to
correct witnesses,
19
comments and
set
the record straight.
20
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
Thank
you,
21
sir.
22
MR. JOHNSON:
Thank
you.
23
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Yes, sir.
24
Public
comment?
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1
MR. GILSON:
Yes, public comment.
2
I’ll
stand up here if
you
don’t mind.
3
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
That would
4
be
great. And
speak loudly
so
that Tammi can
5
hear
you and your name and spell it, please.
6
MR. GILSON:
Hello.
My name is
George
7
Gilson and I am currently
a
have always
been
8
the president
of Friends of Greater
9
Yorkville. I wanted
to
point
out a
few
10
interesting things for the record in
public
11
comment
to be
considered before
these
12
proceedings come
to a
close.
13
First,
throughout these
14
proceedings Fox
Moraine’s witnesses and their
15
attorneys
continually make an attempt
to
16
attack the efforts of Friends of Greater
17
Yorkville
as a
non-for-profit corporation
18
established and chartered for the betterment
19
of Yorkville and the surrounding community.
20
Along with their continual
21
attempts
to
discredit
their efforts put forth
22
in opposition
to
this landfill, they also try
23
to
paint
a
negative portrait of the
24
individual members of the corporation without
Page
32
1
any
clue of who
the members
actually
are.
2
Friends
of Greater
Yorkville,
or
3
commonly
referred
to
as
the
opposition group
4
by
Fox
Moraine,
only
consists of
five
members
5
of
which most
if not all
of the these
6
accusations
in this
appeal
do
not
apply
to.
7
Not only
do Fox
Moraine
and their
8
attorneys
not
only
--
not
only
do Fox
Moraine
9
and
their
attorneys
not
know
who FOGY is,
but
10
they
continually
take
what
was
a community
11
opposition
consisting
of
many people
of the
12
community
stepping
forward
and
opposing
this
13
landfill
application
and
everything
that led
14
up to
it
and are
trying
to
convince
the PCB
15
to believe
that
anything
said
in opposition
16
to the landfill
before
and during
the
17
application
was all coming
from the five
18
individuals
that
make
up
the Friends
of
19
Greater
Yorkville. This
cannot
be farther
20
from the
truth.
21
FOGY’s
concern
was that
the
22
annexation
process
was being undertaken
in
a
23
fundamentally
unfair manner
to
the
citizens
24
of
Yorkville
and
would have ultimately
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1
resulted in
a
fate
accompli approval of the
2
landfill prior
to the siting hearing.
3
It is ironic
that
Fox
Moraine
4
alleges ex parte
communications
by
the
5
citizens of
Yorkville while admitting that
6
its
representatives did the same. FOGY
as
7
well
as other citizens
of Yorkville therefore
8
elected
to
exercise
their First Amendment and
9
statutory rights
to vigorous participation in
10
the
annexation process and the siting
11
hearing.
12
There is nothing
in the
state
13
statute, the PCB rules
or the case law that
14
could
be
interpreted
to interfere with
a
15
citizen’s rights during
the annexation
16
process and the PCB
certainly would not want
17
to
attempt
to create
a
rule or finding which
18
would
abridge or stifle the rights of
19
citizens to participate in public hearings
20
and
to
petition their elected officials.
21
These are core and fundamental
legal rights.
22
I also
find it interesting that
23
Fox Moraine’s
attorneys want the PCB
to
24
believe that
the 39.2 process supersedes the
Page
34
1
Constitution of the United States and
our
2
First Amendment rights
to
freedom of speech.
3
There
are no threats
of -- there
4
were no threats of physical harm made by
5
anyone in FOGY and everything said in
6
opposition
to
this landfill application
as
7
our right under
the Constitution
of the
8
United States freedom of speech.
9
I find it interesting that stones
10
are being
cast
on what they inaccurately
11
believe
as
the members
of
FOGY,
but yet
the
12
real
and
current long-standing
members of
13
FOGY have never been depositioned,
have never
14
been subpoenaed and/or put on
the stand
to
15
testify
to
all the inaccuracies
testified
by
16
the applicant and their witnesses.
17
Fox Moraine only wants the
18
audience and the PCB
to
hear one side of the
19
story and that is the skewed, after-the-fact
20
version of why they are not granted approval
21
of their
application.
22
This version is a lot
-- this
23
version is
a
lot like sour grapes and cannot
24
be
trusted.
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35
1
Fox
Moraine
does not like
that the
2
community
opposed
the landfill
application
3
and
stepped
forward
to
publically
express
4
their opposition
in
every
way and
at
every
5
opportunity.
6
Fox
Moraine does
not
like
that
the
7
community
and
members
of
FOGY petitioned
8
their government
as to
their stance
and
9
beliefs
about
the annexation
process and
this
10
landfill,
but
frankly
that’s
too bad. There
11
is
nothing
illegal
about
freedom of
speech.
12
FOGY
did
not under
any
13
circumstance
talk
to the
city council
during
14
the application
about
anything substantive
in
15
the application.
The current
city
council
16
made their
decision
to
deny
this
landfill
17
based
on the
39.2 process
and the lack
of Fox
18
Moraine
to meet
the criteria
set
forth in
19
that
process.
20
The
PCB
needs
to
only
be
concerned
21
with
one
thing,
and that
is it.
Fox Moraine
22
had ample time,
witnesses
and
opportunity
to
23
prove
that
they can meet
all the criteria
set
24
forth in
this
siting
process and
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36
1
unfortunately for them could not
get
that
2
task accomplished.
3
Fortunately for the community,
4
this
landfill was denied
based
on the
facts
5
and that fact alone.
Therefore, their
6
decision is
to deny this landfill --
7
therefore,
their decision
to
deny this
8
landfill
should
be
upheld.
9
I know that the
appellate court
10
will uphold
this decision in the future.
11
Thanks for
your time and careful
12
consideration
of these thoughts and
comments.
13
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Thank
you,
14
Mr.
Gilson.
15
MR. GILSON:
Thank
you.
16
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
Anyone
17
else? Yes, sir. Do
you want
to get
sworn in
18
or
just
public
comment.
19
MR. DUSELL:
Just public comment.
My
20
name is Fred
Dusell.
21
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Could
you
22
spell your last name for
us?
23
MR. DUSELL:
D-U,
capital 5, E-L-L.
24
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Thank
you.
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37
1
MR. DUSELL:
I’m
a
resident
of
2
Yorkville,
Illinois.
I realize
this is
out
3
of
the scope
of the Hearing
Officer’s
4
control,
but
my
opinion
is
that this
5
application
process
is severely
flawed.
6
For example,
when you’re
pitting
7
the elected
officials
against
the
8
electorates,
in
this
case
where
they
cannot
9
speak
to
their
constituents,
I
on a number
of
10
occasions
had talked
to my
Alderman
Golinski
11
as well
as
his
predecessor
Alderman Wolfer
12
and on
several
occasions
was told
that they
13
could not answer
my
questions
or could
not
14
discuss
this issue.
That’s
severely
flawed.
15
That’s why
I elected
them.
I
16
should have
a representative
in the City
17
Council.
Going
on from that,
I’ve been going
18
through
some of the
testimony I’ve
heard over
19
the
hearings
since I’ve
been here since
the
20
beginning.
I find
it ironic and
hypocritical
21
that Mr.
Mueller would
contest
the
opposition
22
parties coming
from
out
of
town here
to voice
23
their
opinion
against this
landfill
siting.
24
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39
1
There again,
I
was told
he
could
2
not
comment and
discussion
couldn’t
happen.
3
I
find
that very,
very
flawed
and I would
4
hope that we
can
get
something resolved
with
5
this
application
process
in the future
so
6
that
people who
elect people
here have
7
representation
at
city council.
Thank
you
8
for allowing
me
to
comment.
9
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Thank
you,
10
sir.
Anyone
else?
Okay.
For
the record,
11
there’s
about 20 members
of
the public
it
12
looks
like
sitting in the
audience and
I
13
appreciate
their
comments and
statements.
14
Mr.
Dombrowski,
I
do
have
Exhibits
15
2 and
3
that
you just
handed
me. What
do we
16
want
to
do with these?
17
MR.
)DOMBROWSKI:
We’d
like
to
move
18
those
into
evidence, Mr.
Hearing
Officer.
19
HEARING
OFFICER
HALLORAN:
20
Mr.
Mueller?
21
MR.
MUELLER:
I don’t
have any
22
objection.
23
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Okay.
24
Yorkville’s
Exhibits
2 and
3 admitted.
Okay.
Page
40
1
It’s been represented that
all
parties have
2
rested their
case.
3
MR. MUELLER:
Mr. Halloran, can I make
4
a--
5
HEARING OFFICER
HALLOPAN:
Yes,
6
Mr. Mueller?
7
MR. MUELLER:
Can I file
a
motion
8
before we
go
any further? It
deals
with
the
9
hearing officer’s credibility
finding and the
10
testimony
of Valerie Burd.
11
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
12
Mr.
Dombrowski, Mr. Hopp, what
I
will
do, I
13
will
take this motion under advisement.
And,
14
obviously,
you
can respond in writing
because
15
you
can’t look through all
of this stuff
16
right now.
17
MR. HOPP:
Correct.
18
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
But I’m
19
just
noticing
Paragrah 2, Fox Moraine
alleges
20
the hearing
officer in this
type
of hearing
21
is
required
to
make
a
finding regarding
22
credibility of
witnesses.
23
I
respectfully disagree. It’s
not
24
in the rules.
However, it is usually custom.
Page
41
1
But I
was
going
to
reserve,
if
at all,
my
2
finding in
my hearing
officer report.
3
But how
much time do you
think
you
4
will
need
to
respond
to
this?
5
MR.
DOMBROWSKI:
Well,
Mr. Mueller,
6
are
these
citations
to
-- these are
citations
7
to hearing
transcripts?
8
MR.
MUELLER:
All
of the
citations,
9
with the
exception
of March 26th,
are
10
citations
to
city
council
meetings that
the
11
transcripts
of which
have
been
admitted
into
12
evidence
at
this
hearing.
And March
26th
is
13
already part of
the record
as
it was
filed
by
14
the City
of
Yorkville.
15
MR.
DOMBRQWSKI:
We’d
like
two weeks
16
to
respond,
Mr. Hearing Officer.
17
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORTN:
Okay.
So
18
May
7th.
Mr. Mueller,
which exhibit
did
you
19
say this was?
20
MR. MUELLER:
This
is
a
motion,
so
21
it’s not an
exhibit.
22
HEARING
OFFICER
HALLORAN:
I’m
sorry.
23
Well,
you know what,
I’ll take
it
as
Hearing
24
Officer
Exhibit 2.
Page 42
1
MR.
MUELLER:
Which reminds me,
2
Mr. Halloran, what was Hearing Officer
3
Exhibit 1?
4
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
We’ll
get
5
to that in
a
minute.
6
MR. MUELLER:
Sorry.
7
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
No.
That’s
8
fine. And
Kendall County is more than
-- you
9
know,
you
can respond if he wants
to.
10
Mr. Mueller,
do you
care
to
make
a
11
closing argument
or are
you
going
to
reserve
12
it for post-hearing
briefs?
13
MR.
MUELLER:
We’ll waive closing in
14
light of the
fact that the parties will
file
15
written
briefs.
16
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
Okay.
17
Terrific. Mr. Dombrowski?
18
MR. DOMBROWSKI:
The same.
19
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
The same.
20
Kendall County?
21
MR.
HARKNESS:
Same here.
22
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
With that
23
said,
I think we’re going
to go through some
24
housekeeping
matters right now regarding the
Page 43
1
exhibits.
2
And forgive
me, Counsels, I’m
3
going
to go
through
what I have first. It’s
4
a
little
out of order. I have
as
Hearing
5
Officer Exhibit No. 1, that’s
Fox Moraine’s
6
offer of proof regarding
deliberative
7
process.
8
I have Kendall County’s Exhibit
9
No.
1, which is
a
stipulation between Fox
10
Moraine and
County of Kendall.
11
I
also have Yorkville’s Exhibit 1,
12
probably
be defined
as a copy
of
a
palm card
13
regarding
what the city council members can
14
or cannot
do
on
a
siting application process.
15
And, again, I have Yorkville’s
16
Exhibit Nos. 2 and 3. No. 2 is the check
for
17
$100,000 and Exhibit No.
3
is
the siting
18
application for Fox Moraine
landfill. It’s
a
19
letter
to
the
city clerk dated December 1st,
20
2006.
21
I have
as
Fox Moraine’s Exhibit
22
No. 14,
a
newspaper article
dated April 5th,
23
2007, that was taken
as an offer of proof
to
24
assist the witness
testimony.
Page
44
1
I
have
Fox
Moraine’s
Exhibit
2
Number
15,
it’s
a campaign
disclosure
of
3
Mayor
Prochaska.
4
I also
have
the
invoice
dated
5
June
15th,
2007,
that’s
Fox
Moraine’s
Exhibit
6
No.
16.
7
I have
as
Exhibit
17,
which is
Fox
8
Moraine’s
exhibit,
it’s
the
minutes
from
9
May
8th,
2007.
10
I
have
Fox
MoraineTs
Exhibit
11
No.
20,
it’s
a
web
page
from
I
believe
Ms.
12
Sutcliffe.
It’s
Bates
stamped
58
at
the
13
bottom.
I
don’t
see a date
on
it.
14
I
have
Fox
Moraine’s
Exhibit
21,
15
another
web
page
from
Robyn Sutcliffe
dated
16
January
3rd,
2007.
17
Fox
Moraine’s
Exhibit
No.
22,
I
18
believe
it’s
another
web
page
from
19
Ms. Sutcliffe
dated
January
9th,
2007.
20
Fox Moraine’s
Exhibit
23,
it’s
a
21
document
regarding
a public
hearing
from
22
January
23rd,
2007.
23
Fox
Moraine’s
Exhibit
24,
taken
as
24
an offer
of
proof
it’s
a
letter
from
Chuck
Page 45
1
Sutcliffe,
a
copy
of the letter printed in
2
the Kendall
County Record.
3
Fox
Moraine’s Exhibit 25, it’s
a
4
3rd Ward
Advisor, I
guess a
letter
put out
by
5
Robyn Sutcliffe.
6
Exhibit Number 26, Fox Moraine,
7
it’s
a newspaper article
dated
November 2nd,
8
2006
taken as an offer of proof
to
assist.
9
Fox Moraine’s Exhibit 27,
another
10
newspaper
article
dated
I believe -- it’s
11
hand printed
on here November 7th. It’s
12
entitled Landfill
Deal May Be Key
to
13
Elections. That was taken
as
an offer
of
14
proof.
15
MR. HOPP:
11/7/06?
16
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
11/7/06.
17
It didn’t have the
‘06 there. Thank
you.
18
Fox
Moraine’s Exhibit 28, it’s
a
19
palm card from
Wally Werderich regarding his
20
election,
there’s
a
new voice for the Ward
1.
21
I have Fox Moraine’s Exhibit
22
Number
29 taken
as
an offer
of proof. It’s
23
the first
page
of
a
pleading entitled
24
petitioner’s
response
to
motion for attorney
Page 46
1
fees
in PCB
case number
8-95.
2
Fox
Moraine’s
Exhibit
Number
30
3
taken
as
an offer
of proof. It’s
a
pleading
4
entitled
verification
in support of
5
Yorkville’s response
to
motion
for
attorney
6
fees,
it’s file
stamped September
22nd in
7
case PCB 8-95.
8
Fox
Moraine’s
Exhibit 31,
it’s
a
9
document
ordinance
number
2006-117.
10
A
resolution
document,
Fox
11
Moraine’s
Exhibit No.
33,
denial of
sitting
12
application.
13
Fox
Moraine’s
Exhibit
34,
another
14
document,
it’s
a
resolution,
it’s
entitled
15
approval
with
conditions
of the
siting
16
application,
it’s Bates
stamped
80 at the
17
bottom.
18
Fox
Moraine’s Exhibit
35, it’s
19
another
resolution
document, denial
of
siting
20
application,
Bates stamped
82
at
the
bottom.
21
Another
resolution
document,
22
approval/denial,
it’s
Fox Moraine’s
23
Exhibit
36, Bates
stamped
86 at the
bottom.
24
I have
Fox Moraine’s
Exhibit
Page 47
1
No. 1,
it’s the plan commission meeting,
2
United City of
Yorkville. It’s
a
report of
3
proceedings had
at a meeting on
4
September 25th, 2006.
5
Fox Moraine’s Exhibit No. 2,
6
again,
it’s the report of proceedings
at the
7
meeting on September
26th, 2006.
8
Fox Moraine’s Exhibit
No. 3,
9
regular city council meeting,
United City of
10
Yorkville, Illinois, proceedings regarding
11
October 10th, 2006.
12
Fox Moraine’s Exhibit
No. 4,
13
again, report
of proceedings held on
14
October 24th, 2006.
15
Another document, Fox Moraine
16
Exhibit No.
5, proceedings of October 30th,
17
2006.
18
Fox Moraine’s Exhibit No.
6,
19
report of the
proceedings for the meeting
20
held November 13th, 2006.
21
Fox Moraine’s Exhibit No. 7,
22
again,
report of the proceedings held on
23
November 14th, 2006,
city council meeting.
24
Fox Moraine’s Exhibit No.
8,
Page
48
1
report of the
proceedings, city council
2
meeting
dated November 30th, 2006.
3
Fox
Moraine’s Exhibit No. 9,
4
report of the
proceedings from the council
5
meeting
dated January 23rd, 2007.
6
And it was
discussed during the
7
hearing it was
a complete court file of
S
Kendall County,
the lawsuit, number 070V43,
I
9
believe,
Yorkville versus Hamman.
What I
10
allowed is the
-- I take administrative
11
notice, official
notice of the court ruling
12
or opinions,
but I will not
accept
the
13
pleadings. I
do not have that in my hand.
14
And Mr. Mueller
can address that when I
get
15
finished here.
16
I have Fox Moraine’s Exhibit
17
No.
11, which I don’t have,
but it’s the
18
Yorkville versus Fox
Moraine
case,
Circuit
19
Court, 08 L 68,
I believe. Again, I took
20
official
notice of the court rulings
21
opinions,
but I will not
accept
the
pleadings
22
therein.
23
And Fox
MoraineTs
Exhibit No. 12,
24
Pollution Control
Board orders, rulings in
Page
49
1
8-95
and 8-96.
I
took
administrative
notice
2
of the orders
and
rulings by
the
Board
3
itself,
but I will not
accept the pleadings.
4
Again,
I
do
not
have
10,
11
and 12.
5
And I
also don’t
have
Fox
6
Moraine’s
Exhibit No.
13. It’s
-- I have
7
written
down
here
a
newspaper
article.
I
8
think
law -- I
can’t read
my own
writing.
9
MR.
MUELLER:
Mr.
Halloran,
I’ve
got
10
all of
those.
I’m going
to offer them
in
due
11
course.
That’s
the Beacon
article that had
12
all of
the candidates’
expressions
and
views.
13
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Okay.
Due
14
course
would
be
now,
I guess.
15
MR.
MUELLER:
Now.
I’m ready
whenever
16
you
want me
to go.
17
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
To offer
18
Exhibit No.
13?
19
MR.
MUELLER:
Well,
yeah.
20
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
21
Sure.
22
MR.
MUELLER:
I’ve
got
11 and
12 here,
23
also.
Well, I’ve
got
10
and 11.
We talked
24
about
those. And I
have them in
their
Page 50
1
entirety.
Do
you want
me to
pull
those apart
2
to
make
them
only the orders
or are
you
3
ruling
that you’ll
receive
the
entire
4
document
but
only
consider the
orders?
5
HEARING
OFFICER
HALLORAN:
It
would
be
6
cleaner,
I think,
just
to get
the orders
and
7
the ruling.
8
MR.
MUELLER:
All
right.
I’ll pull
9
them
apart
then when we’re
done.
10
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
11
MR.
HOPP:
On behalf
of Yorkville,
12
your Honor, we
would
appreciate
if
nothing
13
that’s
not part
of the actual
exhibit
is
put
14
into the record.
You
said
it would
be
15
cleaner.
If
your ruling
is
just the orders,
16
then our
position
is we
want
just
the orders.
17
HEARING
OFFICER
HALLORAN:
I
think
18
that’s what he’s
going
to
do.
19
MR. MUELLER:
Yeah,
I said
I’ll
do
20
that.
21
HEARING
OFFICER
HALLORAN:
He’s
going
22
to
pull
the other
stuff out.
23
MR.
MUELLER:
No.
13 is the
April 15th
24
Beacon
News article
entitled
The Landfill
Page 51
1
Yorkville
Candidates Weigh In. And I don’t
2
think
I’ve offered it previously.
3
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
Mr. Hopp,
4
Mr. Dombrowski?
5
MR. HOPP: It has not been previously
6
offered in and we
do object
on the basis
of
7
hearsay.
8
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
As
9
with
the others, I will take it
as
an offer
10
of proof merely
to
assist the Board in the
11
witness’ testimony.
12
As far
as
the Fox Moraine’s
13
exhibit No. 12, the PCB orders, rulings
in
14
08-95,
8-96,
Mr. Dombrowski, Mr.
Hopp?
15
MR. HOPP:
I have some difficulty with
16
that,
Mr. Hearing Officer. I understand what
17
Mr. Mueller is getting
at, but
I can’t not
18
object to
an exhibit I haven’t actually
seen.
19
He’s asking
to
mark this sort of
20
exhibit virtually in cyberspace and I’ve
21
never seen that
happen
before and I would
22
never allow it
to
happen without
a
strenuous
23
objection.
24
We don’t know what the content of
Page
52
1
the
exhibit
is other
than
just
the orders
in
2
those
two
cases
or
whatever
he’s
talking
3
about
in
those
two
cases.
I
don’t
know
what
4
all
of this
entails.
5
MR. MUELLER:
Mr.
Halloran,
if
I can
6
explain,
I originally
moved
that
the Board
7
take
judicial
notice
of
case
numbers
PCB
8
08-95
and
08-96.
I did
not have
any hard
9
copies
of
any
of
that
because
that’s
part
of
10
the
Board’s
own
record
and
so,
therefore,
I
11
think
they
could
just
take
judicial
notice
of
12
it.
13
You indicated
they
would
take
14
administrative
notice
of
just
the
orders
in
15
those
cases
and
then
somehow
the
discussion
16
got
on
to
calling
that
as
Exhibit
12.
I
17
don’t
know
how we
ever
got to
that
point
18
because
I never
offered
any
paper
on it.
19
HEARING
OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
I’m
20
just
trying
to
make
a
clearer
record
for
21
Board
where
they
can
cite
to
say
Exhibit
22
No.
12
regarding the
PCB 95,
96.
I mean,
if
23
that’s
the
case,
it’s kind
of six
of
one,
24
half
dozen
of
the other
as
far
as
taking
Page
53
1
official
notice
of our
own
cases.
2
MR.
HOPP: Well,
and
I agree
that they
3
can certainly
take judicial
notice
of their
4
own
cases, but
I still have
the same
5
heartburn
about
an
exhibit
that I
don’t know
6
the extent
of.
And,
therefore, if
the
7
Hearing
Officer
would like
to admit it
as
8
Exhibit
12,
I’d
like it
to
be
shown over
9
Yorkville’s
objection.
10
HEARING
OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Would
you
11
like me
to just
strike Exhibit
No. 12 and
12
just take
judicial
notice --
13
MR.
HOPP: I would
prefer it that
way.
14
HEARING
OFFICER
HALLORAN:
-- of
the
15
PCB
95,
96?
16
MR. MUELLER:
I have
no objection
to
17
that
way
of receiving
it.
18
HEARING
OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
So
19
Fox
Moraine has
no Exhibit
No.
12.
I’m
just
20
going
to
refer
to
it
as
taking
official
21
notice of
8-95 and
8-96
of the Pollution
22
Control
Board’s
orders
and
rulings.
23
Have I
missed
anything?
24
MR.
MUELLER:
We’ve got
other
Page
54
1
exhibits.
2
HEARING
OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
3
MR. DOMBROWSKI:
We missed No. 32, I
4
believe.
5
MR.
MUELLER:
I’m
actually at 18 and
6
19.
I think we missed
those, also. I can
7
tender them right now.
8
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
9
MR.
MUELLER:
Exhibit 18 was
the
10
transcript of the city
council deliberations
11
of May 23rd 2007.
That’s previously been
12
made part of the
record
as
actually part
of
13
the decision in
this
case,
I believe.
And it
14
was marked
as
an
exhibit solely for
15
convenience
and referencing it.
16
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Okay.
And
17
I have
down here in my
cryptic notes admitted
18
without
objection.
19
MR. HOPP:
That’s correct.
20
MR. MUELLER:
And I’ve
got
that,
your
21
Honor.
22
HEARING
OFFICER HALLORAN:
Okay.
23
Thank
you.
24
MR. MUELLER:
And Exhibit
No. 19 is
Page 55
1
the transcript
of the city council
2
deliberations on May 24th,
2007. And the
3
story on that one
is exactly the same
as
18.
4
MR.
HOPP:
Same.
No objection.
5
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
Okay.
6
Admitted. Anything
else, Mr. Mueller?
7
MR.
MUELLER:
I think we’ve
got -- I’m
8
looking
to see if there’s
a
couple more.
I
9
know
that 32 is still
out
there.
10
MR.
DOMBROWSKI:
32, I think that
was
11
a--
12
MR.
MUELLER:
The police report.
13
MR.
DOMBROWSKI:
-- copy
of the
siting
14
ordinance.
15
MR. MUELLER:
No.
That was 31,
16
Mr.
Dombrowski. Thirty-two is
the police
17
report that Alderman Besco
used
to
refresh
18
his recollection
about the call that was
made
19
to
his home. And we
would offer that.
20
MR. HOPP:
And we would
object,
21
Mr. Hearing
Officer, it’s not real
evidence.
22
There’s no reason
to
admit it. His
23
recollection actually
was refreshed and he
24
testified
about
the
events.
Page
56
1
HEARING OFFICER
HALLOR1N:
2
Mr. Mueller?
3
MR.
MUELLER:
Mr. Dombrowski’s
4
statement is correct,
so I’m offering it
just
5
so that the Board
has it in
case
they want
to
6
see
what the
witness
used to
refresh his
7
recollection.
8
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
As with the
9
newspaper articles,
I
will
accept
it on that
10
basis, offer
of proof
to
assist
the Board.
11
And that
was Exhibit --
12
MR. MUELLER:
Thirty-two.
13
HEARING OFFICER HALLOPAN:
All right.
14
Thank
you.
15
MR. MUELLER:
I
think that’s all of
16
them, Mr. Halloran.
17
HEARING
OFFICER HALLOPAN:
Thank
you.
18
Anything
else before we
go
off the record
to
19
talk
about briefing schedules?
20
MS. VINEYARD:
I’m sorry,
I came late.
21
Is it possible I could make
a statement? It
22
would
be
short.
23
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Certainly.
24
Take your time.
Come on
up.
You made it
in
Page 57
1
the
nick of time.
2
MS.
VINEYARD:
I called and they
said
3
it was going
on until noon.
4
HEARING OFFICER
HALLOPAN:
Do
you
want
5
to make an oral
statement under oath or
just
6
a
public
comment?
7
MS. VINEYARD:
Just public comment.
8
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
Just
9
state
your name and
spell it for the court
10
reporter.
11
MS. VINEYARD:
Chrisi Vineyard,
12
C-H-R-I-S-I,
V-I-N-E-Y-A-R-D.
I live in
13
Oswego,
Illinois.
14
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Thank
you.
15
MS. VINEYARD:
I hope the Pollution
16
Control Board will
recognize that the
bottom
17
line the
aldermen and mayor took their
vote
18
very seriously
and
based
their vote on the
19
Fox Moraine
landfill
because
they failed
to
20
meet
all nine criteria
based
on all the
21
evidence
at
the hearing.
22
The
statement that Alderman Robyn
23
Sutcliffe is not
cooperative on the stand,
24
for the record,
Alderman Sutcliffe cannot
Page
58
1
hear or
see
from one
side.
2
The questions were not clear.
3
Please reconsider that statement. This
4
hearing is nothing more than an attempt
by
5
the attorneys
to influence you by twisting
6
their
intentions on their vote.
7
If
you
are against murder, should
8
you
not
be
on the jury for
a
murder
case?
9
Attorneys
are experts at
twisting
10
the opposite point of view
to
their own, even
11
when they are arguing against common sense
12
and logic. Only
a
well-trained attorney can
13
make common sense and
a
desire
to
protect our
14
environment sound sinister. Please
do
not
15
let the corporate drive for profit
influence
16
your decision.
17
We
do have alternatives to
18
landfills.
Now is the time
to put a
stop
to
19
an outdated system that poisons our drinking
20
water and wrecks the property around it.
21
Some of their experts were not
22
credible during the hearing
because
they
23
would not recognize
there are alternatives
to
24
landfills that
are available today.
Thank
Page
59
1
you.
2
HEARING
OFFICER
HALIjORAN:
Thank
you.
3
Anyone
else?
We’re
going
to
go
off
the
4
record
briefly.
Counsel
is going
to
discuss
5
post-hearing
briefing
schedules
and
we’ll
6
come
back
on in
a
few
minutes.
Thank
you.
7
(Brief
pause.)
8
HEARING
OFFICER
HALLORAN:
We’re
back
9
on
the
record.
We’ve
discussed
some
10
post-hearing
briefing
schedules.
We’ve
11
discerned
that
the
transcript
will
be
ready
12
on
our
website
by
May
6th,
2009.
13
Fox Moraine’s
opening
brief
will
14
be due
June
12th.
The amicus
brief
and
15
Kendall
County’s
brief
is
due
June
26th.
16
Yorkville’s
opening
brief is
due
17
July
17th.
Fox
Moraine’s
reply,
if
any,
is
18
due
July 31st.
19
I
set
public
comment
date
due
20
June
5th,
2009.
21
The
record
will
close
then
on
22
July
31st.
23
And,
Mr.
Mueller,
regarding
the
24
waiver
of
the
decision
deadline?
Page
60
1
MR. MUELLER:
Fox Moraine would waive
2
the decision deadline
to and including
3
October 1st,
2009. And we will follow this
4
statement with
a
letter
to
the clerk of
the
5
board
to
that effect.
6
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Thank
you.
7
So the waiver will
be
extended
out to
8
October 1st, 2009, and you’ll
get a
written
9
waiver in. Anything else we
need to talk
10
about?
11
MR.
MUELLER:
I’ve those exhibits now,
12
Mr.
Halloran, that I’ve pulled apart.
13
There’s
not much left on 10 and 11.
14
(Brief
pause.)
15
MR. HOPP: Mr. Hearing Officer,
the --
16
what’s now comprised
as
Exhibits
11
and
12
17
does
appear
to be just court orders and I
18
think on 11 there’s
a half sheet that’s
a
19
docket sheet. We
renew our objection
to
20
these.
We don’t think they’re relevant nor
21
are
they probative of anything and
so we’re
22
not withdrawing our objection
to these
23
exhibits.
24
MR. MUELLER:
Mr.
Hopp misspoke when
Page 61
1
he
said 11 and 12.
I think he meant
to say
2
10 and 11.
3
HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
I haven’t
4
seen them. Mr.
Mueller, on this Fox
5
Moraine’s
Exhibit No. 10,
you
have the
orders
6
entered,
this I
guess
docket sheet.
This is
7
not
an order or
a
ruling.
8
MR. MUELLER:
The docket sheet
9
contains
a
note
of the dismissal. There
is
10
no
written order of it.
11
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
You
12
know, it’s close enough.
I will take, over
13
objection obviously, Fox
Moraine’s Exhibit
14
No. 10. I took official
notice of the
15
circuit court’s ruling
in number 07 OV 43.
16
And Fox
Moraine’s Exhibit No. 11,
17
it
appears there is
just
court orders in
18
here, which
I have agreed
to accept as
19
official
notice.
20
Over objection,
Fox Moraine’s
21
Exhibit No. 11 is taken.
22
Is that
it now?
23
MR.
HARKNESS:
Mr. Hearing Officer,
I
24
think on behalf
of both the County
as
Page
62
1
intervenor and also
the amicus brief, if
we
2
could
have those briefs and
submissions
due
3
on
the
same
date, July 17th,
as
YorkvilleTs,
4
we may
be
able
to streamline some of the
5
statements
of fact.
6
And I’ve spoken
with counsel for
7
both parties. If
they have no objection,
we
8
would amend
that one submission
to
July
17th
9
rather than
June 26th. That would
not affect
10
the
reply
date
of
the petitioner of July
11
31st.
12
MR.
KNIPPEN:
And I would join in
13
that, your Honor.
14
MR.
MUELLER:
Mr. Halloran, in
the
15
past
when I’ve
represented an amicus
and that
16
amicus has
been aligned with
a respondent,
17
the
Board was kind enough
to let me file
my
18
brief
at the same time
as the
respondent’s
19
brief was
due, so
I
guess I have no
20
objection.
21
HEARING OFFICER
HALLORAN:
Okay.
22
Thank
you,
Mr.
Mueller. I
appreciate it.
23
So the County’s
brief and the
24
amicus brief
is now
due July 17th.
Page 63
1
I want
to
thank all of counsel for
2
their
civility
and professionalism. It’s
3
been
a
pleasure. I want
to
thank the public
4
and I want
to
thank the City of Yorkville for
5
their accommodations and hospitality.
It’s
6
been great. It’s great weather
out, so go
7
out
and
enjoy
and have
a
great one. Thank
8
you.
9
(Which
were
all
the proceedings
10
had in the above-entitled
cause
11
on this
date.)
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
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1
STATE OF ILLINOIS
SS.
2
COUNTY OF WILL
3
4
I,
Tamara Manganiello, CSR,
RPR,
do
hereby
5
certify that I reported
in shorthand the proceedings
6
held in the foregoing cause, and
that the foregoing
7
is a
true, complete and correct
transcript of the
8
proceedings as
appears from my stenographic
notes
so
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