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STATE OF ILLINOIS.

ECEVEO

CLERK’S

OFFICE

COUNTYOFCOOK

APR

1182009

ILLINOIS

ILLINOIS POLLUTION CONTROL B

Control

Board

March

31,

2009

IN THE MATTER OF:

PROPOSED SITE

SPECIFIC RULE

FOR CITY OF GALVA SITE

)

R09-11

SPECIFIC WATER QUALITY

STANDARD FOR BORON

)

(Site-Specific

DISCHARGES TO EDWARDS RIVER

)

Rulemaking—Water)

AND MUD CREEK:

(35

ILL. ADM. CODE

303.347)

TRANSCRIPT

PROCEEDINGS

held in

the

above-entitled

cause

before Hearing Officer Marie

Tipsord, called

by the Illinois Pollution Control

Board, pursuant

notice, taken before Rebecca

Graziano, CSR, within and for the County of Henry

and State of Illinois,

the City Administration

Building, 210 Front Street, Galva, Illinois,

on the

31st Day of March, A.D., 2009, commencing

11:00

a.m.

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APPEARANCES

ILLINOIS POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD:

Ms. Marie Tipsord

Dr.

Tanner Girard

Ms. Alisa Liu

ILLINOIS ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY:

Ms. Vera Hurst

Mr. Brian Cook

THE CITY OF GALVA:

Ms. Claire Manning

Mr. Stephen M. Bruner

Mr. Brian Koch

Mr. David Dyer

Dr. Brian Anderson

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first,

Mr.

Dyer.

Mr. Dyer, are

you

the

city

administrator

the city of

Galva?

MR. DYER:

am.

MS. MANNING:

And is

this -- what

handed you as

Petitioner’s

Exhibit

1, is this

your

testimony

that we caused

to be

pre-filed

with the

Board

on March 16th,

2009?

MR. DYER:

It is.

MS. MANNING:

And

it bears

signature.

Although

it bears

signature

for

purposes of filing,

it, in fact,

document that

you

prepared

and presented

for purposes

filing?

MR. DYER:

It is my document.

MS. MANNING:

Okay.

Thank you.

MS.

TIPSORD: All

right.

If there’s

no objection,

we’ll

enter

the pre-filed

testimony

David L.

Dyer

Exhibit

No. 1.

Seeing

none, it’s

Exhibit

No. 1.

MS.

MANNING:

Thank

you,

Madam Hearing

Officer.

Turning next

Mr. Steven

Bruner.

Mr.

Bruner, are

you

the licensed

professional

engineer and

licensed land

surveyor

employed

the

firm of

Bruner, Cooper

and Zuck?

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MR. BRUNER:

Yes, I am.

MS. MANNING:

And is this the -- I

hand

you

what has been marked

Petitioner’s

Exhibit No. 2, which is labeled the pre-filed

testimony of Steven M. Bruner. Would you

examine

that, please, and ensure that

that is, in fact, the

document that you

created and sent

my office for

purposes

of filing?

MR. BRUNER:

It is my

document that

prepared,

yes.

MS. MANNING:

Okay.

Thank

you.

And

although

it bears my signature, it is, in fact, your

document. It bears my

signature for purposes of

filing.

Is that correct?

MR. BRUNER:

That is

correct.

MS.

MANNING:

Okay.

Madam Hearing

Officer, I

tender

to you

Petitioner’s Exhibit No. 2.

MS. TIPSORD: If there’s no objection,

we will mark the pre-filed testimony

of Stephen

Bruner as

Exhibit No. 2. Seeing none, it’s Exhibit

No.

MS. MANNING: And thirdly, I

turn

Dr. Brian Anderson. And

Dr. Anderson, are

you the

director

of the Illinois Natural History Survey,

who

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has helped

with this

petition

and presented

testimony in a pre-filed

manner, similar

the two

other witnesses?

DR. ANDERSON:

I am.

MS. MANNING:

And I tender to you

Petitioner’s Exhibit No. 3, and if you’ll

review

that, please, and insure

that it is, in fact, your

testimony that you

created. And although it also

bears my signature for purpose of pre—filing,

it is,

fact,

document that

you

and only

you

prepared?

DR. ANDERSON:

It is.

MS.

MANNING:

Thank

you.

Madam

Hearing Officer, Petitioner’s Exhibit No. 3,

Dr. Brian Anderson.

MS. TIPSORD:

Thank

you,

Ms. Manning.

If there’s no objection, we will enter the pre-f lied

testimony of Dr. Brian Anderson as

Exhibit No.

Seeing none, it is Exhibit No.

Ms. Manning,

you

were going to

explain Dr. Anderson’s role here today?

MS. MANNING:

Yes.

did want

explain that Dr. Anderson is here. His current

position is the director of the Illinois Natural

History Survey, and

as I indicated, the

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this

because of

the opinion that he gave in

this

particular matter.

MS. TIPSORD:

Thank you, Ms.

Manning.

MS. MANNING:

Thank you.

MS. TIPSORD: With

that, are there any

questions for the witnesses?

DR. GIRARD:

I think I have

question

for

Mr. Bruner on the boron monitoring results.

MR. BRUNER:

Yes.

DR. GIRARD: I know it

wasn

Ttrequired

your MPDS permit, but did you

monitor for boron

the

north eastern sewage treatment plant? You

have --

MR. BRUNER:

No, sir.

Not

knowledge.

DR. GIRARD:

Okay.

So -- but you

did

the southwest

plant?

MR. BRUNER:

Correct.

And then

also took

tests

on the public water,

the portable

water supply.

That where we determined it was

naturally

occurring in Galva’s well water.

DR. GIRARD:

Okay.

MR. BRUNER:

The

assumption being that

going

to see

similar levels

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concentration of boron and wastewater. We think

that’s

why

those spikes occurred.

DR. GIRARD: So

you

did correlate it

with weather

conditions

the time?

MR. BRUNER:

That

was the implication

when we looked

the spikes and all that. You

know, weather—wise,

that was

period -— it was very

dry

this part of the

state.

DR. GIRARD:

Did you

run

any

statistical

analysis

of all the

readings

to see

maybe,

you

know, another way

you

can deal with it?

You know, would

you

consider those statistical

outliers or results that did not fit in the pattern

statistically?

MR. BRUNER:

didn’t have very

many

data

points

run anything like that that we felt

would make it valid

run it through

statistical

analysis, so no. The answer is no, we did not run a

statistical analysis on it.

DR. GIRARD:

Okay.

Thank

you.

MR. BRUNER:

Thank

you.

MS. TIPSORD: Anything

further?

MS. LIU:

Good

morning, Mr. Bruner.

MR. BRUNER:

Good

morning.

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MS. LIU:

Okay.

Did you

happen

have any

stream monitoring

data

all --

MR. BRUNER:

No.

MS. LIU:

-- that might

indicate

existing

boron levels?

MR. BRUNER:

No.

MS.

LIU: If it

turns out

that the

contributions

boron

from

other

sources

is greater

than

zero, which was

more than what

you

would’ve

assumed

in your

calculation --

MR. BRUNER:

Then it

would take more

dilution.

MS.

LIU:

Okay.

MR. BRUNER:

That’s correct.

MS. LIU:

It might

push the dilution

point

further down

the stream.

Is that

correct?

MR. BRUNER:

It might.

MS. LIU:

Okay.

you

have any

concern

about

if,

this point,

whether or

not

that

might affect

compliance later

on after

the water

quality

standard?

MR.

BRUNER:

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upon the fact

that

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we did not find any

irrigation sources out

the

receiving streams

up to the dilution

point, I

personally

donTt

have

concern.

would leave

that

the scientific end of the -- of the

argument.

MS.

LIU:

Okay.

MR. BRUNER:

But boron is a concern

where

you

have irrigation sources

that

heavily

depend

on that. We did not find any,

that tends

to, you

know,

ease

any concerns I would have in that

area.

MS. LIU: The technical support

document presents

mass balance calculation during

worst

case

scenario --

MR. BRUNER:

Right.

MS. LIU:

that involved the 7Q10

low flow with

minimum

average monthly discharge

along with the highest boron concentration that

you

found?

MR. BRUNER:

Correct.

MS. LIU:

In the worksheet in your

TSD,

you

indicated that the monthly -- minimum

monthly average flow is .37 CFS,

but

then the flow,

based on

the Illinois

state water survey 7Q10

map,

upstream, right?

a page

number

worksheet?

Thank you.

your notes --

It’s

labeled Bruner,

left. Is that correct,

Page

.24 CFS, and there is

note in the

worksheet

here --

MR. BRUNER: Well, the stream

is the

effluent. The effluent is the stream --

MS.

LIU:

Okay.

MR. BRUNER:

-- basically during those

kind of drought conditions.

MS. LIU: So there is

really no

of the

record.

MR. BRUNER:

Yeah.

MS. TIPSORD:

Is there

on that worksheet

you

referred

If there’s

not, that’s okay. I

just --

MS. LIU: It’s part of an

appendix.

MS. TIPSORD:

It’s

just

for purposes

If there’s not, that’s okay.

MS. LIU: Appendix C

the technical

support document, the worksheet

for the northeast

sewage treatment plant.

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were

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how old

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they used in

their

calculations

might

in relation

to the

numbers that

we’re actually

using

to calculate

the water

quality standards.

MR. BRUNER:

used

the

latest 7Q10

off

the

internet.

MS. LIU:

Okay.

MR.

BRUNER:

whatever

the

date

on that.

MR. LAWSON:

And

far

waste

plants go,

we’ve

had some wetter

years

here,

our

average flows

are typically

higher

than what would

seen

in the major

drought period.

MS.

LIU:

Okay.

MR. LAWSON:

And, of

course, 7Q10

your major

drought.

MS.

LIU:

Okay.

MR.

LAWSONE:

we’re

little wetter

than 7QlO.

MS.

LIU:

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minimum

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much over the

years?

MR. LAWSON:

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MR. BRUNER:

I’ve

got to

refresh my

memory here. Oh, it did

through -- we did

add on

to it, and we went through May of 2008. That is

correct.

MS.

LIU:

Okay.

Further downstream on

that same Illinois

state water survey and map, they

show

stream flow of

.80

CFS

just

before the

south

branch converges with the Edwards River.

MR. BRtJNER:

Okay.

MS.

LIU: And in the calculations,

you

also

added

the .13

that flow

well. Is

that

just

based on the fact that

you

think that the

data

that

you

actually have

from the plant is

accurate than what’s on the map?

MR. BRUNER:

Yeah.

Yes, we tried

make that consistent

throughout the

reach

of the

waterway.

MS. LIU:

Okay. And one more question

along those lines. On Figure 12 in your TSD is

the

points of dilution map.

MR. BRUNER:

Figure 12?

MS.

LIU:

Yes.

MR. BRUNER:

Okay.

MS. LIU: The label for the boron

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concentration

that’s

pointing

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MR.

BRUNER:

Oh,

on the

south

end.

Okay.

MS.

LIU:

reads boron

concentration

equaled

0.03

milligrams

per

liter

with

a 7Q10

flow

of 0.015

CFS.

yeah.

MR.

BRUNER:

Okay.

MS.

IjIU:

think there’s

mistake

MR.

BRUNER:

That

might

misprint,

misprint.

MS.

LIU:

Okay.

MR. BRUNER:

That’s

probably

MS.

LIU:

1.5

milligrams

per liter.

MS. MANNING:

Thank

you

for pointing

that

MR. BRUNER:

drafting

error

think

it’s supposed

Does

that

sound

correct?

That

would

correct.

out.

Yeah.

That’s

-- that’s

MS.

LIU:

Okay.

That’s

fine.

Just

we have

the correct

version,

would

be possible

provide

it?

there.

MS.

MANNING:

Yes.

We’ll

amend

the

Page

record

and

present

that.

MS. LIU:

Okay.

Thank

you.

I think

that’s it for me.

MR. BRUNER:

Thank

you.

MS. LIU:

Thank

you

very much.

MR. BRtJNER:

You’re welcome.

MS. MANNING:

Thank

you.

MS. TIPSORD: Any further questions

for the city of Galva’s witness? Thank

you

very

much.

MS. MANNING:

Thank

you.

MS. TIPSORD:

We’ll move on

the

IEPA

then.

Good morning, Ms. Hurst. Did

you

have an opening statement?

MS. HURST:

No.

Can I just pretend

that part of what Ms. Manning said was mine,

since

she said she went over? I’m Vera Hurst. I’m

lawyer with the Illinois EPA.

have with

me Brian

Cook, who is

toxicologist in our water quality

standards unit, and we

support the relief that

the

city of Galva

is seeking.

MS. TIPSORD:

And let’s

have Mr. Cook

sworn in.

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point, is there

anyone in the audience who wishes to

testify that did

not pre-file or anyone

who has

comment

they’d like

make on the record?

Okay.

Let’s go

off the record for

just

a second.

(Whereupon,

discussion was had

off the

record.)

MS.

TIPSORD:

Again, I want to be

clear. Is

there anyone who wants

comment on

DCEO’s

decision not

perform an economic

impact

study?

Okay. Seeing none, I want to

thank the city

of Galva for the use of

their facilities, and thank

you

very much

for your hospitality.

We will adjourn today

and have

final comment date

of Thursday, April 30th, and I’ll

put

hearing officer order

out

that effect

well. Does anyone have

anything else?

MS.

MANNING:

Thank

you.

MS. TIPSORD:

Thank you

very much.

We’re adjourned.

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