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ILLINOIS

POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD

IN THE MATTER OF:

AMENDMENTS TO 35

ILL. 1\DM.

CODE 225: CONTROL OF

EMISSIONS FROM LARGE

)

RD 9-10

COMBUSTION SOURCES

)

(Rulemaking-Air)

(MERCURY

MONITORING)

)

ECEVED

CLERKS OFFICE

MAR

2009

STATE

OF ILLINOIS

Pollution

Control

Board

REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS held in

the above entitled cause before Hearing Officer

Timothy Fox, called

the Illinois Pollution

Control

Board, taken

Steven Brickey, CSR, for

the

State

of Illinois, 100 West Randolph, Chicago,

Illinois, on the 10th day of February,

2009,

commencing at

the hour of

9:00

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MR. TIMOTHY FOX, Hearing Officer

MS. ALISA

LIU,

Environmental Scientist

MS.

ANDREA MOORE, Board Member

MR. THOMAS JOHNSON, Board Member

MR. ANAND RAO, Environmental Scientist

MR. SHUNDAR LIN, Board Member.

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MR. CHARLES E. MATOESIAN

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MR. FOX:

Good morning, every one.

My name is

Tim

Fox.

I want to welcome you to this

Illinois Pollution Control Board hearing. I am

the

hearing

officer

for

this proceeding,

which

entitled Amendment

35 Illinois Administrative

Code

225 Control of Emissions From Large

Combustion Sources

Mercury

Monitoring.

The

docket

number of the Board

assigned

this

rule-making is R09-lO.

The Illinois

Environmental

Protection Agency filed the original

rulemaking

proposal on October 3rd of 2008 and the Board

accepted

it for hearing in an order

dated

November

5th, 2008. Today we, of course, are holding the

second

hearing in this rulemaking. The first

took

place on

December 17th, 2008, in Springfield.

want

note that also present from the

Board

here

today at

my immediate left Board Member Andrea

Moore, who is the lead Board Member assigned

this

rulemaking

and to

her left is one of our new

Board Members, Gary

Blankenship.

At my far right

the head

table

is Board Member Thomas V. Johnson and to my

immediate right

is 1\nand Rao

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the form of

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design

and operation

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found

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sections 225.233(c)

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225.294(g).

summarize

the requirements

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that sorbent

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an optimum manner.

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the configuration

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EGU

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of an approved

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of sorbent

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EPA

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add

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two

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provisions

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ensure

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mercury

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mercury

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the characteristics

the EGU’s being

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rule

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violation. If there is

low level

of mercury

control efficiency being

reported, it is

the

Agency’s

intent

work with the

company

to, as

Mr. Bloomberg

said

the first hearing “Go back

them and

say,

we need to

look

this, let’s

look

this together, let’s cooperate

and look

this together.”

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MATOESIAN:

Thank

you,

Mr. Ross.

And

now we’ll proceed

to a

short statement

Mr.

Bloomberg.

MR. FOX:

Actually, Mr. Matoesian,

if I may

interrupt you. I

noticed

you

handed what

appeared to be a

printed copy

of the statement

the court

reporter. Was

that something that

you

wish

introduce

as a

hearing

exhibit?

MR. MATOESIAN:

Did you --

MR. ROSS:

It was verbatim

what I

said to

assist him.

MR.

MATOESIAN:

We can enter that

exhibit.

MR. FOX: Why don’t

we wait until we

have copies so

we can distribute it to the other

participants. If you

need

access to a

copier, the

Agency

and the Board both

have one.

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make to the motion to

admit

that as

what will

appearing

Exhibit Number 8? Ms. Bassi?

MS. BASSI: It appears there are

also changes on the backside.

MR. FOX: You are correct.

I should

note that the paper has two

sides that

does

address section

225.290(b) (3) (C)

as well.

Thank

you

for pointing that

out,

Ms. Bassi. Did

you

have any other response to

the motion

all?

MS. BASSI:

No.

MR. FOX: Neither seeing nor hearing

any objections

certainly, Mr. Matoesian, that will

admitted

into the record

hearing Exhibit

Number 8.

MR. BLOOMBERG:

The Agency would

also like

clarify that

in appendix B section

1.4(b)

(3)

(g) (v)

the reference

1.0 milligrams

per SCM added

in the third.errata

item 36

refers

only

mercury errata and not the C02

02. This

section should

modified from the

third errata.

MR. MATOESIAN:

And I would move

this be

admitted

Exhibit 9.

MR. FOX:

It would

be 9, yes.

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MATOESIAN:

Thank

you.

MR. FOX:

And

Mr.

Matoesian has

obviously distributed

copies of an

exhibit

proposing

an amendment

section

1.4(b)

(3)

(g)

(v).

Is there

any response

the motion

admit

that

Hearing Exhibit

Number

Neither

seeing

nor

hearing

any, that

will

marked

and admitted

Exhibit

Number

MR.

MATOESIAN:

Thank you.

And that

the

end of Mr.

Bloomberg’s

statements

Mr. Ross

and Mr.

Bloomberg

can take

questions

this

time.

MR. FOX:

Very well.

Why don’t

ahead and

proceed

questions.

If,

for the

first time,

you

want

pose

any

questions,

you

would kindly

provide

your name

and any spelling

and

any

association

representation

that may

bring you

here

today.

That

would

helpful for

the record.

For either Mr.

Ross

or Mr. Bloomberg

there any

question

all

the

basis of

their

statement?

Ms.

Bassi,

please

ahead.

MS. BASSI:

Good

morning.

name

Kathleen

Bassi.

I’m

with

Schiff Hardin

and I’m

here today

on behalf

of Midwest

Generation

and

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MR. FOX:

Allowed.

MR. BLOOMBERG:

Under the

conditions

laid

out

in the rule,

yes.

MS.

BASSI:

Thank

you.

Finally, and

I’m not sure who this would

better

posed to,

the Agency included

draft

form

450 C-A-A-P-P,

acronym, with

its second errata. Is it the

Agency’s intent that the form

considered

a part

of the proposed rule?

MR. BLOOMBERG:

No.

It was provided

for informational purposes

demonstrate what

would

looking for in those

to go

along with

the

rule language that we supplied.

MS. BASSI:

I have no further

questions.

MR. FOX:

Very

good.

Thank you,

Ms. Bassi. Mr. Rieser, I

see

your hand

up.

MR. RIESER:

David Rieser here on

behalf of Kincaid Generation. A couple of

questions. First, with respect

Exhibit

8, the

revised language for 260

(b).

Does the 12-month

rolling

average -- when does it start? Does it

start on July 1st, 2012, or June 30th, 2013?

MR. BLOOMBERG:

The

use

of the

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12-month rolling average

begins

July

1, 2012.

However, because it is

12-month period and

avoid overlap with the previous quarterly method

looking

the

average, the first full 12-month

period will end June 30, 2013. And

that point,

the

source will evaluate whether

they have met 75

percent for the proceeding year, which began on

July 1, 2012.

MR. RIESER:

Mr. Nuckols would

ask a

question.

Mr. Nuckols is with Kincaid

Energy

well.

MR. NUCKOLS:

So I

just

want

to make

sure I understand. You said the first quarter

2012 after this starts, we don’t have

meet

on a

quarterly basis,

but

the

only 75 percent

compliance with the

data availability will

checked on July of 2013?

MR. BLOOMBERG:

When

you say

the

first quarter, I presume

you

mean the first

three

months after it starts in

July?

MR. NUCKOLS:

Yes.

MR. BLOOMBERG:

Okay.

MR. NUCKOLS:

guess

the real

question is for the year of

2012 and the first

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half of 2013, is there any interim

data

availability requirement until

the

last

day of

July or June 30th of 2013?

MR. BLOOMBERG:

From July 1, 2012,

until

you get

the entire

12 months

June 30th,

2013, there is no interim standard

meet during

that point.

MR. NUCKOLS:

Thank

you

very much.

MR. RAO: Why is there no interim

standard -- during the quality period?

MR. BLOOMBERG: We will still

have

information

because

we will

still

required

report

information

on the form that Ms. Bassi

just

mentioned. If there is a problem, we will notice

it and certainly talk

them and

say

“What’s

going on here?” But, for example, their monitor

could

down for the entire month of July

2012,

and

it is

for the

-- until June -- once it’s

back up again until June 2013, they will have met

the 12-month rolling 75 percent.

MR. RAO:

So there won’t

any

enforceable interim standard during that

12-month

period.

You can informally talk

them and ask

them

something is wrong or why

data

is not

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expected?

MR. BLOOMBERG:

That’s correct.

that

way

is identical

the way the mercury

rule itself works in that the 90 percent

control

or the

0.0080

is also on the 12-month rolling

standard and the first

12 months

that you

are

meet that standard, whether because

you’re

starting

from it or you’re moving it in from the

MPS or

the CPS, it’s the same thing. For that

first 11 months and 30 days, there’s no

standard

until it hits the end of that and

you

look back

and see

the entire 12 month period.

MR. PAO:

And can

you

explain why

you need

quarterly

data

initially when

you

start

out? So just

going with the 12 month rolling --

MR.

BLOOMBERG:

The quarterly

data

works together with the quarterly stack testing.

For one thing, if we had

12-month rolling while

stack testing was available, it would

dangerous to

the companies that they could find

themselves in noncompliance and

not

able

to use

the stack testing option

to get

themselves out.

If, for example, they went through three quarters

or almost three

quarters

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by our rules.

So it wouldn’t

matter whether they

appear

here or are

referenced. It’s the

same

overall effect. With

that said, I

don’t expect

there

to be that

type

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talking

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RIESER: Well,

the purpose

having

the language regarding

the operation

mercury

CEMS is that

the federal rules having

with that issue

were vacated

by the court,

correct?

MR.

BLOOMBERG:

Yes.

MR. RIESER:

So in that

same part,

75, aren’t there

federal requirements

for flow

meters and C02 and

those

types

things that

you’re talking

about?

MR. BLOOMBERG:

Yes.

MR. RIESER:

Okay.

So those

things

could

changed

by the federal EPA and

those

changes would not

be captured

the

Board

rules

unless the Board

went through an

identical

substance

rule making of some

sort.

MR.

BLOOMBERG:

That’s

correct.

MR.

RIESER:

people

would

subject with

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the

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Mr. Nuckols

in our

agreed

order

testimony that one of the Boards

other new members, Dr. Shundar

Lin

my far left

has

joined

and we wanted

welcome you to the

hearing Dr. Lin.

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us to

this point,

Mr. Rieser, if you’re

prepared for Mr. Nuckols, I

believe

he had

statement with which he

wished

begin

and was ready after that

proceed to

questions.

MR. RIESER: We can start

with his

testimony,

which I’d like entered as an

exhibit.

MR. FOX:

Very well.

MR. RIESER:

So I believe this would

Exhibit

Number 10.

MR.

FOX:

Yes, Exhibit 10.

Could

Mr. Nuckols

sworn,

please?

WHEREUPON:

DAVID NUCKOLS

called as a

witness herein, having been

first

duly

sworn, deposeth and

saith

follows:

MR. RIESER:

Could you state

your

name,

please?

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David Nuckols.

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MR. RIESER: And spell it for the

court

reporter?

MR. FOX:

Mr. Nuckols, I’m sorry to

interrupt. Your voice is

little soft. If

you

could raise the volume a little

bit, it would

much easier for us in the back part of the room

hear you.

MR. NUCKOLS: I’ll try

to do

that.

MR. FOX:

Thank you

very much.

MR. NUCKOLS:

It’s N-U--C--K--O-L-S.

MR. RIESER:

Mr. Nuckols, I’m going

show you a copy of

your testimony that’s

been

marked

Exhibit 10 and

ask if

you

can tell me

that it’s

true and correct copy

of your

testimony.

MR. NUCKOLS:

Yes, it is.

MR. RIESER: At this point, I’d like

the testimony to be

admitted

read, please.

MR. FOX:

Mr. Rieser,

you’ve

heard, has moved for the admission

of Mr.

Nuckols’

pre-filed testimony

an Exhibit

Number 10.

this

proceeding, I did note that he’s distributed

copiesof that. Is

there any response or

objection of motion?

Neither seeing nor hearing

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Mr. Rieser, it will

be admitted

Exhibit

Number 10.

Thank

you.

MR. RIESER:

Thank

you

very much.

Mr. Nuckols has a brief summary of his testimony

for the

ease

of the participants of the hearing

today so

that we know what

the questions are

about. Mr. Nuckols, proceed.

MR. NUCKOLS:

Good morning.

My name

is David Nuckols and I’m the manager of the

Dominion’s

Emissions

Monitoring Support Group.

Dominion owns and operates electric generating

facilities in 11

states,

including the

1250-megawatt coal fired Kincaid Generation LLC

power plant located in Kincaid, Illinois and

a 50

percent interest in the 1400-megawatt natural

gas-fired Elwood Energy LLC

combustion turbine

plant located in

Elwood,

Illinois.

We appreciate this and previous

opportunities

comment on the proposed mercury

monitoring rules. We believe that the Illinois

EPA has been very receptive

Dominions’

concerns

regarding

fundamental

differences in monitoring

for this compliance limit

type

program versus

the

trade emissions program. Our biggest concerns

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MR. RIESER:

It’s item

Exhibit

10, which

you’ll

find

page

16.

MR. MATOESIAN:

Thank

you.

Now,

page

through

your

testimony,

that’s

section

F, you

recommended

the deletion

footnote

a multiplier

for

sorbent

trap

monitors.

Since

filing

your

testimony,

have

you

had

an opportunity to review

dates

the third

errata

sheet?

MR.

NUCKOLS:

No.

MR.

MATOESIAN:

Did you

see

I was

just

going

to say

item

that

you wouldn’t

happen

notice

that

the Agency

is proposing

change

that

section

with

account

your

recommendation.

MR.

NUCKOLS:

you’re

already

proposing

remove

that?

MR.

MATOESIAN:

Yes.

MR. FOX:

Mr. Matoesian, just

for

the record,

you’re

referring to

language

that

appears

on pages

and 45

of the

third

errata

sheet?

MR.

MATOESIAN:

Yes.

MR.

FOX:

Very

good.

Thank

you.

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MR. NUCKOLS:

Thank

you.

MR. MATOESIAN:

Just a

few more

questions. In your testimony,

you stated that

you

had a

number

of concerns

about

the availability of

mercury CEMS,

but

has not the Agency proposed

temporary stack testing

option for that

very

reason? In

other words,

provide an alternative

to sources who have possible CEMS downtime

issues?

MR. NUCKOLS:

guess you

are

referring

to the proposal

allow stack testing

for the first three years in lieu of CEMS

availability

75 percent?

MR. MATOESIAN:

Yes.

MR. NUCKOLS:

Yes.

We have

discussed that and think that’s

viable

approach

our concern.

MR.

MATOESIAN:

So if during that

initial

period through July 1st, 2012, Dominion

were to have a problem with their CEMS, they

could

always use stack testing

demonstrate

compliance?

MR. NUCKOLS:

believe we can.

There may

be some situations that it may turn

out

not to be possible if the units were

to go

off

line

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prematurely or

if there is

problem

with the

unit,

but

I believe that in most cases

we should

be able to use

that option

preclude

being in

noncompliance under most cases.

MR. MATOESIAN:

Okay.

Thank

you.

Now, on page

five of your testimony, the

very

first line. You noted

that Dominion had installed

three mercury CEMS for mercury

monitoring, is that

correct?

MR. NUCKOLS:

Yes.

That’s

facility in Massachusetts.

MR. MATOESIAN:

Okay.

And aren’t

sorbent

trap systems, referred

in the

regulations as

an excepted monitoring

system,

also an

allowable alternative

CEMS

and

stack

testing

under the Agency’s proposal?

MR.

NUCKOLS:

I believe it is,

yes.

MR.

MATOESIAN: And sorbent trap

systems

are permanent, correct?

MR. NUCKOLS:

They can be.

The

old

part 75

had

section called appendix K that

allowed you to use

sorbent trap monitoring

excepted monitoring technique

in lieu of

continuous CEMS.

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in them, is that

correct?

MR. NUCKOLS:

That’s correct.

MR.

MATTISON:

And with the

revisions that we’re proposing

in the third

errata,

if one of those traps breaks,

fails,

the

other one can be used

without penalty with

bias

adjustment factor?

MR. NUCKOLS: As long as it’s

only

problem

with that particular trap, the other pair.

It’s possible that

you

could have

problem with

both systems.

MR. MATTISON:

But in essence,

you

have a

built-in redundancy system in sorbent

traps,

whereas with

continuous monitoring

system,

you

don’t necessarily have that built into

this

system?

MR. NUCKOLS:

That’s true.

MR. MATTISON:

Thank

you.

MR. MATOESIAN:

Now, moving on.

the

proposed rule language, if it modified per

Mr.

Bloomberg’s statement earlier in the hearing,

such CEMS

measured on

quarterly

basis

until

stack testing is no longer available and as an

alternative and then after June 30th, 2012, and

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after the date the CEMS changes to the

rolling 12

month average that

you

have

suggested,

would

you

agree to such a change

moving

to a

rolling

annual average after June 30th, 2012?

MR. NUCKOLS:

Yes.

We would

favor of that.

MR. MATOESIAN:

Now, on

page

nine of

your testimony,

you suggest

completely eliminating

the

CEMS

uptime

requirement

for the

first year

and

then phasing in

lesser requirement after that,

but

hasn’t the Illinois EPA already agreed

push

back

the monitoring deadlines from the original

mercury

regulation?

MR. NUCKOLS:

What

do you

mean

the

original mercury regulation?

Are you

talking

about

Mr. Bloomberg’s proposal

to go to

quarterly for the first three years or are we

talking the way it was originally proposed?

MR. MATOESIAN:

The original

proposal in 2006, the original.

MR. NUCKOLS:

Well, the reason I was

concerned about the first year availability is

that when

you

start

monitor

and run it for,

say,

the first three months,

you

only

have three

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months data

and operating time

calculate

a data

availability number. So the reason I

requested

that

the first year there

no requirement is

that because you would not have built a

12-month

database

of operating time and uptime and

operating

time

to be

able

run that calculation.

what

didn’t want

have is

the first quarter of 2009 or, I guess,

it would

the

third quarter of 2009, have

calculate

data

availability

of 75 percent.

I wanted

-- and

out of compliance. I

wanted

to wait

until the end of that first year before

had

make that calculation and start an availability

basically on July 1st, which would

using the

data

from the previous 12 months.

MR. BLOOMBERG:

But now the new

change has addressed that?

MR. NUCKOLS:

Yes.

MR. BLOOMBERG:

Okay.

MR. MATOESIAN:

And going on on

page

twelve of your testimony, section

You discuss

weekly system

integrity tests. Isn’t

the

purpose

the

integrity

test to

insure that CEMS

accurately counts for oxidized mercury?

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MR. BLOOMBERG:

When

you

said

they a

couple times,

were

you

talking about US EPA?

MR. NUCKOLS:

Yes.

MR.

BLOOMBERG:

And to

up on

Mr. Matoesian’s question, are

you

aware of any

differences in the Illinois EPA proposal

opposed to

what was in

the

part

rule?

MR. NUCKOLS:

No.

MR. RIESER:

I’m sorry.

With

respect

this particular issue?

MR. BLOOMBERG:

Yes.

Sorry.

MR. NUCKOLS:

That doesn’t mean we

agreed

with what EPA

had proposed nor do

-- did

we have a

reason

when this was proposed

think

different because we had not had any experience

had enough experience

to say

that that’s

a limit

that’s not necessarily achievable

on a continuous

basis.

MR.

MATOESIAN:

Okay.

Now, if

CEMS

failed

the integrity

test,

isn’t it true

that

the CEMS would

underreporting total mercury

emissions since it is

not accounting for all the

oxidized

mercury emissions?

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calculations. Half of the

out

of control

is what

we call a

maintenance

limit

and it’s

time

take action, but it’s not invalidated data.

MR. MATOESLAN:

Okay.

Thank

you.

MR.

NUCKOLS:

I believe

there are

some justifications for not making the

oxidized

mercury

calibration

stringent

the elemental

mercury

calibration,

but

I haven’t gone through

that exercise to try

prove that.

MR. MATOESIAN:

Okay.

Thank you.

And as

far

your proposal, have

you

gathered any

supporting data

for that proposal showing how it

will effect CEMS measurements?

MR. NUCKOLS:

I have

not.

I’d

willing

to do

that if

you

need me to, but

have

not

done that.

MR. MATOESLAN:

Okay.

Moving on

then.

page

14 of your testimony, section E,

you

discuss the

air

emission

testing

body

accreditation requirements and suggest

that the

associated regulations should

removed

from

this

rule. Are

you

aware that

EPA did not actually

remove the

requirements

as you state, but

instead

have simply stayed the effectiveness

of the

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accreditation counsel

an air emissions

testing

body.

My group may not

the ones doing the

errata and

audits at the Kincaid facility.

MR. RAO: But if the provision

retained,

you

have

to train these people

monitor data facilities?

MR. NUCKOLS:

We will have

to ensure

that anybody who

does testing on -- for this

program is accredited

and -

MR. RAO:

Is there any

cost

implications for this provision?

MR. NUCKOLS:

I could not tell

you

that.

MR.

RAO:

Thank

you.

MR.

BLOOMBERG:

A follow

up question

and this

sort of repetitious of what

Mr. Matoesian

just

asked

you, but to

clarify

because

of what Mr. Rao

just repeated

I!removed!l.

Again, isn’t it true

that it has been

stayed,

not

removed, from the

federal regulations?

MR.

NUCKOLS:

I’m not

lawyer

I’m

not quite sure what that all means,

but I

understand it is

stayed which means it will come

back and I believe

it will come back,

but

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BONEBRAXE:

My name is Stephen

Bonebrake. I’m with

Schiff Hardin.

represent

Midwest

Generation and Dynegy. Just

further

clarify, Mr. Bloomberg, assuming that the

federal

accreditation

requirements are still stayed as of

July ‘09, that will remain there will

requirements under the Illinois rule for

accreditation, is that

correct?

MR.

BLOOMBERG:

Correct.

MR. FOX: Mr. Bonebrake, any further

questions?

MR. BONEBRAKE:

No.

MR. RIESER:

May I follow up just

keep

this thought

going? If the section that

we’re talking about in the federal rules is

incorporated

reference, that incorporates

specific CFR and

specific

day,

correct?

MR. BLOOMBERG:

That’s my

understanding. Well, specific

CFR, yes.

MR. RIESER:

So if that CFR is

subsequently stayed not

by a

court,

but by a

subsequent federal register notice admitted

by the

EPA, US EPA, isn’t

the

incorporation

by reference

still

effective

terms of them having a

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I recall

that

he has moved that that

admitted

into

the record

this proceeding

what will

Exhibit Number 11. Any response or

comments

on that

motion

admit? Neither seeing

nor hearing any, it will

admitted, Mr.

Matoesian,

Exhibit Number 11.

MR.

MATOESIAN:

Thank

you.

have

no more questions

this point for Mr. Nuckols.

MR. FOX: Very well. Was there any

other

participants

that had a

question

to pose

Mr. Nuckols? Mr. Rao does

have

one.

Go ahead.

MR. RAO:

Mr. Nuckols, on page 11 of

your pre—filed testimony,

you state

that the final

percent

data

availability should

phased into 75

percent. You recommend 65 percent

data

availability requirement during the first year

and

rising to 75 percent in the second

year.

Could

you

please clarify whether the proposed first year

requirement of 65 percent is

based

on monitoring

data

from Dominion’s plan?

MR. NUCKOLS:

It’s not

based

on our

actual data

availability from our current plan.

It’s based on our concerns and our realizations

that there are

lot of things that could happen

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requirement?

MR.

NUCKOLS:

The way

understand

it,

the changes

should

have

about

three

years

operation

with

the ability

to do

stack

test

we do get

into trouble.

course,

would

have

flexibility in the

future,

but

this

time,

we’re

not

asking

for

it.

MR.

RAO:

Thank

you.

MR. FOX:

Anything

else

Mr.

Rao?

MR.

LIN:

page

four

your

pre-filed

testimony,

the

bottom,

you

say

from your

experience,

can

you tell

how

expensive

it is?

MR.

NTJCKOLS:

I’m

sorry.

I still

don’t

understand

the question.

How

expensive

what

is?

MR.

LIN:

How

much

expense.

MR.

NUCKOLS:

A standard

size

calibration

gas

cylinder

has

been

priced

$3,000

$3,500

per

cylinder

and

they don’t

last

very

long at

all.

think

most everyone

the

industry

has

agreed

that

the calibration

gases

are

not

suitable

for

daily

calibration.

MR.

LIN:

second

question

how

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long, one year

two years?

MR. NUCKOLS:

We’re

talking weeks.

MR. LIN:

Weeks?

MR. NUCKOLS:

Yes.

you use

them

for

daily calibration, these cylinders

would

expired or spent

in weeks and they’re not

stable

much more than -- they’re

not certified for more

than six months, if that. These

cylinders, the

technology

for calibration

gas

cylinders

is not

where we need it to be

and most of

who operate

this -- these systems, are

not considering them

this

time.

MR. LIN: So most tests

are

tests

you

conduct in your laboratory,

outside

laboratory?

MR. NUCKOLS:

There was

study

that

was conducted

RMB

Consultants in conjunction

with EPRI and EPA and looked at

these calibration

cylinders with the idea of

doing,

say,

quarterly

checks

on your calibrator and I

don’t know that we

even have a

cylinder that we could use to do

that

with. There’s

problems with the regulators.

There’s problems with the

cylinders. There’s

problems

with the storage.

And they’re not,

you

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this is

-- just having

a hard

time

being

able

certify them.

So, right

now, calibration

gases

are

something

that

we’re

looking

for

the

future,

but they’re

not available

for normal

use

this

point. Really,

we’re

just

studying it.

MR. LIN:

Okay.

Thank you.

MR. FOX:

Any further

questions

for

Mr. Nuckols

this point?

Seeing

none,

Mr. Nuckols,

thank

you

very

much for your

time and

your testimony

today.

Before we turn

the order

that we had

discussed

Midwest Generation,

we’ve

been

it for

nearly an hour

and

half,

Why

don’t

we take

break

and resume

11:00?

(Whereupon,

break

was taken

after

which the

following

proceedings

were had.)

MR.

FOX:

I think everyone

back

from our break

and if the

court reporter

is ready,

can

right

back on the

record. Thank

you

all

for returning

promptly.

When

we broke for

the

break approximately

20 minutes

ago,

we concluded

the

testimony

of Mr. Nuckols

and

the

questions

based

upon

it and

indicated to

Ms. Bassi and

Mr. Bonebrake

that we were

ready

proceed

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for

point

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opening statement. It sounded like

if the

negotiations that

Midwest Generation has been

involved

with,

that the Agency had resolved most

of the issues -- actually all of the

issues

your pre-filed

testimony, is that correct?

MR. MILLER:

Yes.

MS. VETTERHOFFER:

But then in

Mr. Nagel’s opening statement it

sounded

Midwest

Generation is still having problems with

the 75 percent uptime requirement and I’m

just

asking for clarification between those two

statements.

MR. MILLER:

To support the

flexibility and the ruling

to --

THE COURT

REPORTER:

Your name

again?

MR. MILLER: The regulation

allows

continuous monitoring or stack testing options,

the first two and

half years of

the program and

then

post

July 1st,

2012, the availability is

calculated on

a rolling basis. I think Chris

meant

today,

I don’t have any monitors

at 75

percent availability. We have

attempted to

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install 11 monitors for all our units

in the

state

and

when done with the project, we should be

meeting the 75 percent

availability monthly

rolling

no matter what the average. We

would like

the two

year period

learn

-- to get

all our

ducks in

row

get to that

point. I can’t

say

for sure

the end of the two years or

two and

half years,

we’ll reach that on every unit, the 75

percent rolling.

We’re going

strive to get

those

monitors working. We want

operate these

monitors.

We’re doing everything we can to

get

them operating.

At this point in time, we’re not

percent availability. We’ve had some

installed since

September of 2007.

MS.

VETTERHOFFER:

I think

you

did

clarify this,

but just so

we’re clear. So

the

rule

written and modified in the Agency’s

second

and third errata is acceptable

Midwest

Generation?

MR.

MILLER:

Yes.

MS. VETTERHOFFER:

Thank you.

That’s

all the questions I have.

MR. FOX:

Thank

you,

Ms.

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Vetterhoffer. Were there any further questions?

MS. BASSI:

I’m sorry.

I need

further

clarify

also. The second and third

errata, I believe,

you

said in the testimony plus

what Mr. Bloomberg

provided today,

which I think

is what provides for the rolling 12 month average?

MR. FOX: And those -- I’m certain

I’m understanding

you

correctly is that it was

Exhibits

and

were

offered to you by

Mr. Bloomberg and Mr. Ross on the basis of their

statements earlier

today.

MS. BASSI:

Yes.

MR. BONEBPAKE:

Just

referring

the

statement of Mr. Ross

regarding optimum

manner.

So that is also represented in Mr.

Miller’s testimony regarding the view of Midwest

Generation concerning where we are

today.

MR. FOX: And that statement was

certainly part of the record.

Just

for

additional

clarification,

were there any further questions

for Mr.

Miller, Ms. Crapisi or Mr. Nagel

this

point?

MR. RAO:

have

up.

MR.

FOX:

Mr. Rao has

up.

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decision

today,

I would probably

use

the stack

test option and

run

parallel my

monitors

diagnostics,

but

that’s Midwest Generation’s data,

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official

data

would

the stack testing for

the compliance.

MR. JOHNSON:

Thanks.

MR. FOX: Mr. Johnson, anything

further?

MR. JOHNSON:

No.

MR. FOX: Any further questions of

Midwest

Generation and its witnesses? Neither

seeing nor hearing any,

Mr. Miller, Ms. Crapisi,

Mr. Nagel, thank

you

very much for

your time and

your testimony today and your

availability for

questions. That would lead

us to

Mr.

Diericx’s

behalf of Dynegy according

our schedule that we

had discussed at

the

top

of the

day.

And as

public matter, I believe Ms.

Bassi has

a copy

the testimony of Mr. Diericx,

pre-filed, and we

will move

admit that pre-filed testimony

into

the record

read and I believe we’re up to

Exhibit 14?

MR.

BONEBRAKE:

That’s correct.

MR. FOX: That motion,

again, is, of

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adopt

the

proposed

rules

as amended

the

three

erratas and

by Mr.

Bloomberg’s statement

this morning

regarding

monitor

availability

determined

on an annual

basis

beginning

July 1,

2012.

I can answer

questions

this time.

MR.

FOX:

Very

good,

Mr. Diericx.

Thank

you

for

your testimony.

there any

participant

who wishes

to pose

a question

him

based

on his

testimony

here this

morning? I

literally

am seeing no

hands or

indications

that

there

is a question.

Mr.

Diericx,

please

our

thanks for

your time

and testimony

this

morning.

MR. DIERICX:

Thank

you.

MR.

FOX:

That brings

us,

Ms.

Bassi

and Mr. Bonebrake,

the point in

your

testimony

Mr.

Menne

and Mr. Rygh.

Would

helpful

take a quick

break while

we have

little

realignment

so to

speak? If

could

off the

record

for

just

a moment.

(Whereupon,

break was

taken

after which

the following

proceedings

were had.)

MR.

FOX:

We took

brief break

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that

we could bring

into the

room some

witnesses,

including

Mr.

Menne who has

pre-filed

testimony.

Ms.

Cipriano and

Mr. More, if

you

don’t

mind my

proposing this,

it might

make sense for

the

benefit

those

who

are

here

overlooking

the folks who

want

offer

comments and

we will

certainly

turn

to you at

an appropriate

time if

you

would

introduce

the folks

who are

now

the head

table on

behalf

Ameren

just

for

the

benefit

of making those

names clear.

MS. CIPRIANO:

Certainly.

I think

would

appropriate

for

them

individually

state

their name

and their

position and

that would

clearer.

MR. FOX: Perfect.

We can start

whatever.

MS. CIPRIANO:

I’ll

begin. Renee

Cipriano

with the

law firm Schiff

Hardin on

behalf

Ameren.

MR. MORE:

Josh

More with

Schiff

Hardin

on behalf

of Ameren.

MR. MENNE:

Mike Menne,

head of

the

environmental

department

of Ameren

Corporation.

MR. WHITWORTH:

Steve

Whitworth,

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manager

of environmental services with Ameren.

MR. LORING: David Loring, attorney

Schiff Hardin on

behalf of Ameren.

MR. HUGHES:

Darryl Hughes and I’m

supervisor of evaluations

Ameren Finance.

MR.

RYGH:

Gary Rygh.

I’m a

managing director of Barclay’s Capital.

MR. ARTMAN:

Tony Artman.

I’m

managing supervisor in strategic initiatives of

Ameren.

Ms. MORE:

We would like

have

Mr. Menne read

short summary of his testimony

add

context

any questions that might

asked

of the panel and we’d like

this time

to move to

have Mr. Menne’s testimony admitted

if read

along with Mr. Rygh’s

testimony as

read. We

have copies of those.

MR. FOX:

You have copies of those?

Ms. MORE:

do.

15 and 16?

MR. FOX:

Actually, 14 and 15.

was mistaken. Number 14 was Mr. Diericx’s

pre-filed testimony and it was my error and I

appreciate

you

pointing that

out.

These will

be,

Mr. More has indicated, Exhibits 15 and 16. We

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will make

Mr. Menne

‘s

testimony

Exhibit Number

and the testimony

of Mr.

Rygh that

was admitted

instanter

earlier

today as

Exhibit

Number

16.

We’ve heard

motion

admit

those two documents

under those

numbers.

Is there any

participants

who wishes

to be

heard

in response

or objection?

Neither

seeing

nor hearing any,

Mr. More,

those

will

admitted

Exhibits

and 16.

MS.

MORE: With

that,

why don’t

you

ahead.

MR. FOX:

Why -- Mr. More,

I’m sorry

interrupt.

You had referred

the panel with

the exception

of Mr. Loring

and

Ms. Cipriano,

would all

of the gentlemen

seated

the

head

table

-- why don’t

we have the

court

reporter

swear

in each of

those fine

gentlemen so

can

avoid

doing

that midstream.

MR. MORE:

That’s consistent

with

Mr. Menne’s

testimony that

he’s conferred

with

each of these

individuals

developing

his

testimony.

Therefore,

they’re here

answer

any

questions

that

you

might have.

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starting this year. I

want to make it clear that we are in

the

process

right now of installing three scrubbers on our

system

three of our large generating plants and

will be

installing

another one in

the interim

period and we will continue

meet the emission

limitation in 2015

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put

the scrubbers on. We’re basically

just asking

for a

two

year delay for a couple

of the

scrubbers. Just in anticipation of the question

we may

get,

should the amendment not be granted

what would the company do? First of all, the 0.33

pound limit would continue

to be

in the regulation

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to take

look at what options

might

have for

compliance

with that rule. Because of the

inability for

and the extreme difficulty for

to finance

capital projects

this time, what we would have

to do

is look

other options that we could

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MS. CIPRIANO: I don’t think that’s

necessary. Thank

you,

though. But he

available for answering questions.

MR. FOX:

Very

good.

Why don’t we

proceed

with

those questions if you’re

all

set.

Is there anyone who wishes

to pose a

question

Mr. Menne or any of the other members of the panel

here

on behalf

of Ameren?

MR. RAO: I have

couple questions.

MR. FOX:

Mr. Rao has

couple of

questions.

MR. RAO:

Mr. Menne, in

Ameren’s

proposed rule language, it limits only

terms of

pounds per million BTU for NOx and S02,

the

existing rule language provided limits in terms of

both pounds per million BTU and

percent of the

base

seasonal rate and requires compliance with

whichever is more stringent. Will

you

please

explain the rationale for

not

including

percent

limitations

your proposed change?

MR. MENNE: If it would be clearer,

we could actually

that,

but,

in fact, the

limitations, the numerical limitations that are

there

are much more stringent than the percent

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reductions

which is

the alternative

the

existing

rule language.

are --

we didn’t

put that

in there

because what

we’re proposing

the more

stringent

of the two.

MR. PAO:

With

the limitations

that

were proposed

based

on pounds

per million BTU,

would it

be possible

for

you

estimate

what

percent reductions

you’d get?

MR. MENNE:

I assume

you

want

compare

to the baseline

of the language

that is

in there.

MR.

RAO:

you don’t

have

number,

you

can provide

it in

your comments.

MR. MENNE:

think

we’ll probably

up.

I don’t know

that

we’ve made that

calculation,

but we’d

be happy

provide

that.

MR. WHITWORTH:

We were

required

under

the regulation,

the

existing

regulation,

file

a notice of

intent

comply

means of

the

MPS

the end of

2007. Part

of that

demonstration

included

the analysis

that

determined

whether

or not the

base emission

rates

or the percent

removal

were more

stringent.

for

those

rates and the

case for

NOx with the

case

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0.11, that would

the rate that is

stringent than the percent removal that was in the

original rule

well

with the 502 rates going

with the

phase one and phase two rates. The 0.25,

was

the

more stringent rate ultimately.

MR. RAO:

Okay.

Thank

you.

Also,

page

16 of your pre-filed

testimony you stated

that

the

total projected S02 and NOx emission for

the period of 2010 through 2020 under the proposed

language was calculated

867,287

tons, to the

extent you’re able

to break this number down into

tons per

S02 and the tons on production from NOx

and, if possible,

it on an annual basis from

each of your power stations and, again,

you don’t

have

provide this information if

you

don’t

have

it right now. It can

provided

another

time.

MR. MENNE:

Very

roughly, the S02

ton part of that is

around 648,000 and the NOx

this is around 220,000.

Roughly, that’s the

breakdown of those tons. So it’s

-- 650 to

220

the ratio. I’m sorry. You asked for that

annually?

MR.

PAO:

Yes.

MR. MENNE:

Would it

easier for

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us to

provide

you

with the information --

annually, well, it doesn’t vary because

of the

timing when

you put

the different pollution

controls

on. We can provide

you

with the annual

numbers on the system for S02 and NOx

for

each

the years between 2010 and 2020

give

you

that

calculation.

MR.

RAO:

Okay.

That would

fine.

The last question I had was on

page

three of your

pre-filed testimony. You

stated

Ameren’s proposed

amendment

would allow Ameren Illinois Generating

Company to defer approximately $500

million

capital from 2009 through 2012

timeframe

2013

‘

2015 timeframe. Would it

possible for

‘

Ameren

identify what portion of that $500

million would

attributable

S02, NOx and

mercury compliance?

MR. MENNE:

The deferral of the

$500

‘

million is the cost associated

with the

construction of two large scrubbers on our system.

those scrubbers would

the compliance

mechanism primarily for the S02. They

not

deal

with NOx. The scrubbers

also

would end

up being

compliance for mercury.

However, we are

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required under the mercury provisions

have

mercury controls installed

the plants beginning

in this year.

it will take the place of

assuming

activated carbon injection on those units

where these scrubbers would

deferred. So while

the scrubbers -- we’re talking

about

the S02,

but

that also would become

mercury compliance. So

we’ll

have

mercury controls at the same facilities

until we

get

those scrubbers installed.

MR. RAO:

have

one last

final

question.

MR. FOX: And I had

question that

may be directed more specifically

to you,

Ms.

Cipriano

you,

Mr. More. Ameren had in

PCB 9-21, of course, recently filed

petition

for

variance that had information pertaining

both

emissions and their controls.

Would Ameren have

any objection of the Board

on its own motion,

incorporate that

petition into the record

this

proceeding?

MR. MORE:

Some things have been

updated

since that filing. Let

take another

look

it. What I’m

suspecting will happen is

we’ll file

some additional information that

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Mr.

Rao has asked for which was included

in the

petition.

MR. FOX: And if it’s

helpful

identify

what has been revised,

updated,

corrected

or otherwise amended

in that petition, that would

helpful

the Board in having that data

information.

MR. PAO: To

more specific, there

was

table

one

in the

petition which indicated

information regarding the affected power stations,

the

boilerplate emission rates and that was what

were looking for.

MR. MORE:

What we’ll

is we’ll

submit that

with

our

comments, that whole

petition, and then identify those

things that

have

changed since then and this additional information

Mr. Rao has asked for.

MR. FOX: Very well. And certainly

‘

we’ll

talking

about

the deadlines for

pre-filing

those

comments

very soon.

that

would work.

Thank

you

very much.

MR. RAO: You’ve been very helpful.

Thank

you

very much.

MR. FOX: Were there any further

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questions

for Ameren

and

its panel? I’m

seeing

indication

that

there are any

questions.

Anything

further

Ms. Cipriano

or Mr.

More?

MS.

CIPRIANO:

No, I think we

again, we’re

available

answer

any questions

there’s

no further questions.

We’ll certainly

with the

information

requested in

comments.

MR. FOX:

Very

good.

We appear

have exhausted

the

questions

and

although I’ll

certainly

give

any

one

else an opportunity

indicate

that

they have one.

You had

mentioned

that

you

had

persons

that --

the lady

and

gentlemen

seated behind

you

that

they

wish to

offer

public comment

and we have

come

the

point

the

conclusion

of the

pre-filed testimony

and the questions

based

upon it where

it would

order

take

those

up. I don’t

think

there’s

any particular

order that

the Board would

expect.

MS.

CIPRIANO:

Just because

timing

constraints

MR. FOX:

Just

for the court

reporter,

you can

identify

yourself

full

name and include

any

affiliation

membership

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that

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you

here

today

for your

comment.

MS. HAMPTON-KNODLE:

Okay.

The

last

name

kind

of tricky.

Hello.

My name

Heather

Hampton—Knodle

and

I’m

the

executive

director

of the

Montgomery County

Economic

Development Corporation.

mailing

address

P.O.

Box

213,

Hillsboro,

Illinois

62049.

It may

sound

I’m

from Tennessee,

but

I’m

not.

home to

Ameren’s

Energy

Generating

Coffeen

Plant

since

1965,

Montgomery

County,

specifically, the

economic

development

corporation, would

add

our voice

support

of Ameren’s

request

this

proceeding

modify

certain

requirements

contained

regulations

pending

before

the

Illinois

Pollution

Control

Board.

It’s

our

understanding

that

the

relief

that

Ameren

requesting

doesn’t

seek

undo any

broad-based

environmental

commitments,

but

it does

seek

allow

the

company

time

make

informed

and

prudent

decisions

the

time of

economic

and

regulatory

uncertainty.

It’s also

our

understanding

that

the

decision

before

this pollution control

Board

could

also

lead

significant

economic

impacts

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for our

county

and

that’s what

brings

here

today.

While some of

our

residents,

actually,

many of them

remain

anxious

about

any potential

short-term

stimulus

from additional

and

continuous

construction

the Coffeen

Power

Plant, we’re

more concerned

about

the long-term

economic

viability

and

the environmental

integrity

of the

plant’s operations.

Just

highlight

some

the

facts

and figures

of why this

critical

‘

our county.

The Coffeen

facility and

its 199

employees

play

significant role

the

vitality

of our

Montgomery County

economy.

For example,

our county

has 30,000 people,

which could fit

this building,

but

we’re

spread over

702 square

miles,

try

let

that

sink in. 702

square

miles,

703.6,

30,000

people. So

the

million

that

Ameren

paid in

the 2007 tax

year

payable

2008

are

very

critical

for our

infrastructure.

reassessment

that was

conducted

in 2007

that will continue

through

2017,

which Ameren

agreed

to pay

property

taxes

that

will

accumulate

approximately

$36.795 million

over the course

of these

ten years.

Again, it’s

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effects of

these dollars and wages turn into 122

more jobs in our county and

additional household

earnings of

$5.9 million and an additional direct

economic impact of $46.2 million. And

that’s not

chicken feed in Montgomery

County.

In our effort

identify

the

economic

impacts that the plant has, we

observed

the human impact that this

facility and the people

who work

Ameren

Generating have on communities.

Another

Montgomery trivia fact for

you, besides

Matt Hughes, the ultimate fighting

champion coming

from our town is that we have 214

volunteer

organizations and it takes

people

make that

happen

well

most of

our local government,

require volunteer

leadership. So these Coffeen

plant employees

are very important

community

development

well

economic

development.

Simply

put, it’s an integral

part of the fabric of

both our economy and our

community. And I

think that sums it

up.

You’ve

probably gathered

now that permitting

Ameren

make these

changes they will

be more effectively

managed in this time of

economic and regulatory

uncertainty and

work to preserve much needed

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employment

for our

citizens.

Thank

you.

MR. FOX:

MS. Hampton-Knodle, thank

you

for your comments. The printed

copy

that

you

supplied is

the hands of the court reporter

and it will

be,

of course, reflected in the record

these proceedings.

So thank you

for your

time.

MS.

HAMPTON-KNODLE:

Thank you.

MR. FOX:

Ms. Cipriano, whichever

one of the commenters would wish

to go

can

when

they’re

set.

MR. DENISON:

Good morning.

My name

is Terry Denison. My business address is 221 East

State

Street in Jacksonville, Illinois. I am

employed

the Jacksonville Regional Economic

Development Corporation. It’s

non-profit

community and business development organization

dedicated to attracting, retaining and creating

job

opportunities throughout

two county area

Morgan and Scott County in Illinois. Like other

interested community reps who are attending

this

hearing, I am speaking in support

granting

Ameren

Energy

Generating Company regulatory relief

on the timing associated with installing specific

control equipment

meet interim emission

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safety and

siren system for the community,

emergency training for our

local volunteer fire

and rescue

squads and help in construction of

much needed

industrial

bypass

road around

the main

part of Meredosia. The

Meredosia plant has been

model steward

of the community for over the six

decades

that

the plant has been our neighbor.

Obviously, we cannot predict

what the future

holds,

but

we need

to give companies like Ameren

the opportunity

make prudent, capital

investment decisions in the

best interests of

realizing long term operating

success.

Thank

you for your consideration

of our economic

interests in rural Illinois and

for your help in giving

Ameren the opportunity

for

sustaining

operations in Meredosia. Thank

you.

MR. FOX:

Mr. Denison, thank

you for

your comments and

was with

Ms. Hampton-Knodle,

that’s been made part

of the record. Thank

you

for your time.

MR. MARTIN:

Good morning.

My name

Alvis Martin. I’m with

the

Illinois AFL-CIO.

My mailing address is

999 McClintock Drive, Burr

Ridge, Illinois

60527. I am the field director

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proposed

in light

of the economy

and in

light of

the

uncertainties

presented.

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MR.

FOX:

Thank

you,

Mr. Martin

for

your

comment.

MR.

LEWIS:

Good

late morning

you.

My name is Robert

Lewis.

I’m

principal

with Development

Strategies

Inc.,

Louis.

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development

and urban

planning

consulting

firm

you’ve

heard referenced

already

two or three

times. My

mailing address

is 10

South Broadway,

Louis,

Missouri 63102.

Ameren

has hired

our

company,

Development

Strategies,

provide supporting

documentation

the economic

impact that

each of

its six

coal fired

plants have

on the local

economies

of the host

counties.

The information

we’ve developed

helps substantiate

Ameren’s

position that

the generating

facilities

play

significant

parts in the

local

economy and

without

these facilities,

communities

would experience

significant

economic

consequences.

Our

methodology

to use

operational

spending

information

provided

Ameren and

using

multipliers

obtained

from the

US Department

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conclusion, I believe, Ms. Cipriano and Mr.

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of the comments on behalf of Ameren

this time.

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prepared a list on which people

could

indicate that they wished

testify. I should

have taken that

before the comments. I

believe,

Mr.

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that

me. I think virtually everyone in the

room has either been sworn or represents someone

who has and, in

fact, every name on

here has

either testified or offered

comment. So we have

exhausted the testimony here

today.

It would

time

move on

the

issue of the economic impact

study.

Since

1998, of course, section 27(b) of the

Environmental Protection Act

has

required that

the

Board request from the department now

known

as the

Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity an

economic impact

study

of proposed rules before the

Board

adopts

them. The Board then must make

either that economic impact

study

or the

department’s explanation

for

not conducting one

available

the public

least 20

days

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I, STEVEN BRICKEY,

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had

the

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