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THE

MATTER OF:

WATER QUALITY STANDARDS AND

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R08-9

EFFLUENT LIMITATIONS

FOR THE

CHICAGO AREA WATERWAY SYSTEM

AND

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(Rulemaking -

LOWER DES PLAINS RIVER PROPOSED

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Water)

AMENDMENTS TO

ILL. ADM.

CODE

301, 302, 303, and 304

TRANSCRIPT

OF PROCEEDINGS held in the

above-entitled

cause

before Hearing

Officer

Marie

Tipsord, called by the Illinois Pollution

Control

Board, pursuant

notice,

taken before Rebecca

Graziano, CSR, within and for the

County of Cook

and

State of Illinois, at the Thompson Center, 100

West

Randolph, Room 2-025,

Chicago,. Illinois, on the

17th

Day of February, A.D., 2009,

commencing

10:00

a.m.

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APPEARANCES

ILLINOIS POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD:

Ms. Marie Tipsord, Hearing

Officer

Ms. Alisa Liu, P.E., Environmental

Scientist

Dr.

Tanner Girard, Acting Chairman

Mr. Anand Rao

Mr. Thomas Johnson

Dr. Shundar

Lin

Ms. Andrea Moore

ILLINOIS ENVIRONMENTAL

PROTECTION AGENCY:

Ms. Stefanie Diers

Ms. Deborah Williams

Mr. Robert Sulski

Mr.

Scott

Twait

Mr. Roy Smogor

ENVIRONMENTAL LAW AND POLICY CENTER:

Ms. Jessica Dexter

METROPOLITAN

WATER RECLAMATION DISTRICT OF

GREATER CHICAGO:

Mr. Fredric Andes

Mr. Marcelo Garcia

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MS.

TIPSORD:

Good morning.

My name

Marie Tipsord, and

I’ve been appointed

the

Board to

serve

hearing officer in this procedure

entitled

Water Quality Standards and

Effluent

limitations

for the Chicago

Area Waterway System and

Lower Des Plaines

River Proposed Amendments

Ill. Adm. Code

301, 302, 303, and 304. The

docket

number

is R08-9.

With me today to

my left is acting

chairman,

G. Tanner

Girard, the presiding Board

Member. To his

immediate left is Board Member

Andrea

Johnson -- Andrea

Moore, and

her left is

Board Member Dr.

Shundar Lin. To my far right is

Board Member

Thomas Johnson.

To my

immediate right

Anand Rao, and to

his right, Alisa Liu from our

technical staff.

In addition,

today

we have

Brian

Lambel,

who is our etern this semester

from Kent.

This

is the ninth

set

of hearings

to be

held in

this proceeding, and I

believe we’re

on days

24 and 25. The purpose of today’s

hearing

is to

continue hearing

testimony from the

participants,

other than the proponent, the Illinois

Environmental

Protection Agency. At

the close of

hearing

on December 3rd,

2009, we had finished with

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preconceived notion or bias. We will

until

around 5:00 p.m.

today

with

lunch break, and then

we’ll start again tomorrow morning

9:00 a.m.

Also, I have heard from some of

you about

future

dates, and at this time, I plan

continue

this hearing on the record.

The

plan

was

to go

for March 3rd and 4th. I have rooms in the

building across the street and here, and

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finish the witnesses from the District

at that time.

Mr.

Andes,

you

indicated before we went

the

record that those

days

might not work for the

District?

MR. ANDES: I believe that’s right,

but

I will

get

back

you later today

nail that

down.

MS. TIPSORD: All right.

Because my

intent,

fraiikly,

this point is if the District is

not

available, then I would

inclined

to, since we

have rooms for those

days,

move ahead and come back

the District when they

are

available. Because of

the

difficulty

the scheduling that I’ve already

seen from the IEPA and others, that would, sort of

-- I would, kind of, like to try

to do

that. So if

you

could

get back to

me later in the

day,

that

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would

very helpful.

MR. ANDES:

I will.

MS. TIPSORD:

So I can give notice

whoever else can

be available on those

days.

Thank

you.

I also received

a motion from Corn

Products seeking

withdraw their testimony of

both

James Huff and Alan

Gerick (phonetic). I think

they’re going

withdraw and

then re-file. I

didn’t, frankly, read the motion.

I just saw it and

I spoke briefly with Katherine Huff. Citgo also,

conversations with Jeff Ford,

would also like

to,

perhaps, amend their testimony with some

additional

information.

Given this

-- these, sort

of,

developments, and given that it has been awhile

since

we’ve

talked about the schedule,

far

as who

would

testifying next and where

we’re going, I

would like

schedule

pre-hearing conference for

-- I picked

February

27th, which is

week from

Friday. If people can’t

be available that day, we

can

it the afternoon of the 26th. But check

your

calendars and

get

back with me, and I will

put a

hearing

officer

order out on Thursday reflecting the

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additional hearings and the pre-hearing conference,

which would talk

about

where we’re going, who we’re

proceeding with, and

based

on an email I

got

from

Ms. Dexter,

too,

I also understand that the

environmental groups might want

decide what order

their witnesses are

presented as

well.

So that will

what we’ll talk

about.

We’ll talk

about

who’s going next, where

we’re

going, after we’re

finished with the District.

MS.

DEXTER:

Did

you

say,

Marie, that

those would

in the afternoon on either of those

dates,

or at any time?

MS. TIPSORD:

It could

be at

any

time

during the

day

on the 27th and the afternoon of the

26th. It

would have

to be

the afternoon of the

26th

because

we have

closed session in the morning.

MS. DEXTER:

All right.

Thanks.

MS. TIPSORD:

So I

won

be available

until afternoon until the 26th. And with that, Dr.

Girard.

DR. GIRARD:

Thank

you.

Good

morning.

behalf of the Board, I welcome everyone

another

set

of hearings in this rulemaking. The

Board is very grateful

for

the amount of

time

and

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effort that everyone is putting into both preparing

testimony and also preparing questions and

continuing the questions in

the

cross

examination

the

hearings. It helps

immensely in putting

together a

record, especially in these

days

of,

you

know, lean governmental

budgets

and lean staffing.

We really do need the help, so we appreciate

everything

you’re doing. We realize this is

very

extensive

rulemaking,

but

this,

you

know, is

very

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complicated

topic.

we look forward

the

testimony and questions today.

Thank

you.

MS. TIPSORD:

And with that, Mr.

Andes, I think we’re ready to

swear in

your witness.

(Witness sworn.)

MR. ANDES:

This is a

copy

Dr. Garcia’s

testimony.

17.

MS. TIPSORD: And it is Dr. Garcia?

DR. GARCIA:

Yes.

MS.

TIPSORD:

Just

wanted

check.

DR. GARCIA:

Yes,

yes.

MS. TIPSORD: And you’re going to have

speak

up.

I can tell already.

They’re not

going

to be

able

hear

you

in the back of the room.

DR. GARCIA: Don’t worry about that.

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MS. TIPSORD: If there’s no objection,

we will mark the pre-filed testimony of Dr. Garcia

Exhibit 139. Seeing none, the testimony and

attachments are

marked

as Exhibit 193.

Thank

you.

And I believe the Agency had pre-filed some

questions.

MS. DIERS:

Yes.

Good morning, Dr.

Garcia.

My name is Stephanie Diers,

and

ITil

asking questions on behalf of Illinois EPA, and I’ll

begin with our pre-filed question one. How might

density occurrence affect water quality and

transport little oxygen, sediment laden water,

and

contaminants for long distance? And I think this

refers

on Page

of your pre-filed testimony.

DR. GARCIA:

Right.

Okay.

Let me

first explain

what

is a density current. A density

flow is

name given

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you

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happy

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you

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-- do

you

want

to use

the chart?

DR. GARCIA:

Yeah,

sure.

MR. ANDES:

Okay.

Well, I think

you

have

one here.

can pass them

out.

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Yeah.

We -- I had made

poster,

which

was -- the idea was

to be

able

show

to you, but

last night I was trying

catch

train and the poster --

MR.

ANDES:

Well, let me take those.

DR. GARCIA:

Sure.

MR. ANDES:

We have two reports and

chart

that we can introduce

that are relevant to

this issue.

DR. GARCIA:

This is the one

you --

MR. ANDES:

That’s the one

you

want

use

right now?

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DR. GARCIA: The density current one.

MR. ANDES:

Okay.

Just

moment.

DR. GARCIA: Essentially,

what we have

done with the model,

answer

your question, is

try to

explore different

scenarios

that have the

potential to

generate density current in the south

branch of the Chicago River.

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ANDES:

Let

stop you

there.

We’ll

introduce the reports, and then we can

on.

have

report entitled Upstream Intrusion Effect

of CSO Events in Bubbly Creek,

Illinois.

MS. TIPSORD: If there’s no objection,

we’ll mark this report, Upstream Intrusion Effect of

CSO Events

in Bubbly Creek, Illinois,

Exhibit 194. Seeing none, it’s Exhibit 194.

MS.

DIERS:

Can I ask just a

quick

clarifying

question on this? IS this the paper

that

you’re

referring

that you’ll present in Kansas

City?

DR. GARCIA:

Yes.

MS. DIERS:

Okay.

Thank you.

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a chart

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see

the amount

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coming out

of Bubbly Creek.

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see

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the junction, it actually takes

off as a

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upstream into the south branch. So it’s almost

like the

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you

have

water

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good

for New

Orleans

because

you’re going

be pumping in salty

water. In our

case,

want

understand what is the role played

in this

phenomenon. Because wherever it

goes,

it’s

going

deposit materials there, and

it’s also

going

bring in the

BOD

that was

in there, in the

CSO, not just

the sediments.

anybody who -- or anything that

transported in low oxygen water is

going

come

with it as part

of the flow itself. So it’s going

take it

different places. As you go to the

other side -- and

I know this is long.

MS. DIERS:

That’s fine.

DR.

GARCIA:

But upstream

is trying

intrude, but it’s

facing

the

flow coming down the

south

branch,

but

then it’s also going

try to

with the flow,

and what

we find out

is that it mixes

with the flow that is going down the south

branch.

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been trying

to do

is model

-- in particular we have concentrated

lot

Bubbly Creek

because

early on,

part of

phase

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one study,

between Grand

Avenue,

Lake Michigan

and

Cicero

Avenue, we

said,

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Let’s

do a

3—D model

all these,”

and then

it became quite

apparent

that the

role played

Bubbly

Creek was not

only

unique,

but it has

large impact

on the

system

depending

flow

conditions.

that’s what

steps

have

been

taken

as to try

model this type

phenomenon.

And

have

say

that -- I’m

not sure

if we

have it

in the testimony,

but also

the city,

the

water

department

for the

city, they’re

known as two

outlookers,

which

are sensors

that basically

send

acoustic

waves

and they

measure how

much water is

moving

on the south

branch.

we can

put one

correlation

with

geological

survey.

There is

one

upstream

of the junction

between Bubbly

Creek

and

the south

branch and

there is

one downstream.

And

what

we’re trying

see

can catch

these events

in the acts,

basically,

not

just

model

them.

You

know,

modeling is

just

a tool.

But

to see actually,

you

know, when they

happen,

how

often they

happen,

you

know, what

is the

frequently,

you

know, how

much

water

you’re

actually

getting

into it.

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MS. DIERS:

When

did you

start

doing

that?

DR.

GARCIA:

This

started

about

year

and

half ago,

yes.

MS. DIERS:

And

is it currently

ongoing?

DR.

GARCIA:

We are

going

full

force,

yes.

MS.

DIERS:

And

I think

you

said

that

you have

three

scenarios

that

you

looked

at.

How

did you

decide

the

scenarios?

DR.

GARCIA:

Basically

we decided

was based

on what

the

range

flows

from

the

Racine

Avenue

pumping

station,

and also

the

range

flows

that

we know

can come

down

the

south

branch.

MS. DIERS:

And

Exhibit

194,

Figure

you

have

CSO particle

concentration

equals

1,000

milligrams

per

liter.

Is that

measured

assumed?

DR. GARCIA:

That’s

it’s

an assumed

value,

but

based

records

taken by

the

history.

You’re

talking

can you

clarify

which

one

the

one

you’re

looking

at?

MS.

DIERS:

have a

report.

It’s

Page

Exhibit 194.

DR. GARCIA:

Yes.

MS. DIERS:

And I’m looking

Figure 5. I’m not

sure what

page.

DR. GARCIA:

Yes.

This is --

MS. DIERS:

I thinks it’s the sixth

page.

DR.

GARCIA:

This is an assumed

value

for the purpose of the

modeling exercise. It

doesn’t mean -- therefore,

it doesn’t mean that all

the CSO5

that

come

out

scene are going

to come

out

are going

have

35 millimeters per second

and

are

going

have

concentration of

1,000. But

that’s

value that we

estimated

to be a reasonable

value for the purpose of modeling.

MS.

DIERS:

And I know

you mentioned

the Mississippi River.

So have

you

measured

density

current in other places?

Outside of the Chicago

River area, have

you measured in the Mississippi

River?

DR. GARCIA:

No.

MS. DIERS:

Have

you

measured

anywhere

else?

DR. GARCIA:

I, myself, cannot

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measure,

but

I did my PSE on density currents a long

time

ago

at the University of Minnesota. And the

motivation

for

that was actually a

problem in Lake

Superior,

and it had

to do

with mining and disposal

mine tailings. And that’s according

this

topic, because

the tailings were going into Lake

Superior. This was near Duluth, and

people

thought,

“Well,

we’ll dump it into the lake, and this

goes

and

takes the tailings all the way

the

deep

end

Lake Superior.”

And

the

time, I calculated

that

they

could travel for

kilometers, these flows.

But

there was -- there was an issue, and

the

issue

was

that depending on the time of the year, Lake

Superior would stratify, and that would mean that

the density of the water column,

particularly in

the

summer, it

wouldn’t

the same.

what these

flows were doing, they were coming down, and when

they found

layerof water that

had the same

density,

they made an intrusion there.

But,

see,

the lake was

circulating. It was taking the water all

the way

the

water intake

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another professor, Jack Lucat

(phonetic), who is

geotechnical engineer,

try

to figure out

way

move the pipes that

put

the tailings into the

lake

that, first of all, the particles circulate,

they

are

not on

the surface,

because

it’s

lake

used for

recreational purposes, and

then the particles don’t

sideways.

MS. DIERS:

And

do you

know what the

impact of the density

currents are on aquatic life?

DR. GARCIA:

The impact -- we don’t

know much

about

what the impact is,

but

I can

imagine

situation

in which

you

could have these

density flows reaching

out to

places

on a hot summer

day

where fish

might seek refuge,

you

know, what

people call thermal refuge,

you know. You go there

because

it’s cold, the water is colder than the

surface of anywhere else. nd since these flows

are

always trying

reach

point

of lowest elevation,

they might reach that, and that might not

be good

for the fish.

MS. DIERS:

But

you don’t know for

sure, correct?

DR.

GARCIA:

I don’t know for sure,

but

I have seen this

happen

when

somebody makes

Page

mistake at a nuclear power plant, and all of

sudden

they release

very cold water into

lake

that

is using for cooling

purposes,

you get a

density

flow, and it

goes

all the way under

the water and

you get

fish kill.

the answer is I

don’t know

for sure, but

you

are going

to get

water of poor

quality

to a

place

where it might affect it.

MR. ANDES:

If I can

on that

for a

moment,

I think it might help

-- this

Exhibit 1 to

Dr.

Garcia’s testimony. I

just thought

this map might

helpful

for people

visualize in

addition

the color maps,

just to

make sure

people

have that.

So Doctor, I

see

-- is

your point,

looking

the map

of Bubbly Creek, that the

density

current leads

potential impacts

during wet

weather events

in the south fork?

DR.

GARCIA:

No -- yeah.

Part of my

conclusion is that, that

you

have the

potential

have density flows and that they are going

impact --

MR. ANDES:

Beyond

Bubbly Creek?

DR. GARCIA:

They are going

to impact

Bubbly Creek,

and they could impact beyond Bubbly

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Creek, too,

depending on the impact in the

south

branch.

So, for

instance, if

you

have no

flow down the south

branch -- let’s assume that we

call that

the freshwater flow, which comes

down

the

south

branch -- the chances of having an

intrusion

going upstream are going to be

larger, of course,

and the extension of it

is going

to be

larger. But

also, you

could have

flow going downstream

on the

south

branch.

Now, one

thing I want

clarify

is that it

doesn’t mean that all the flows

emanating

from the scene are going to

lead -- all the CSOs are

going to

lead

density currents, okay? But the

potential is there, and that’s why

we are doing the

modeling, that’s

why we are studying, and that’s why

we’re

trying

measure

this.

MS. DIERS: Do you

know if it’ll

•affect any other segments

besides tte south branch?

DR. GARCIA:

Well, nobody’s

coming

out

of here. I think what is coming out

of here has the

potential to affect

the south branch itself.

Now,

one

question that someone may ask is whether

-- how

far down the south branch is

this going

to go,

and I

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imagine that it could

pretty far.

However, having said that, when

these

flows happen,

at the interface, what we call

the ambient water and the water that makes

it flow,

this is constantly mixing

too. So

the flow keeps

diluting as it travels. So the further away

you go

from the source of

the flow or where the flow plans

and it went underneath, the turning basin

-- after

the turning basin, the impact is going

diminish

with distance.

One thing I want

to clarify is

that -- which I mentioned before, is that if

you

look at

this exhibit, this

figure,

you see

all these

leaps across. So what that means is if

you

have

flow going up

the

south branch, okay, the minute it

finds an open door there on this

leap, it’s going

try

to go

in there, and it’s probably going

there, and it’s going

deposit whatever the hazard

is. Then the river has no other mechanism

actually

get

this

out

of there, whatever it is that

the density

flow

put on the bottom of those leaps,

and that obviously brings other questions probably

into your mind

too.

MS. DIERS:

I’m going to

back

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our pre-f lied question three.

DR. GARCIA:

Yes.

MS. DIERS:

And on Page

of your

pre-filed testimony,

you’re talking

about -- you say

your recommendations

have been implemented. Are

you

referring

MWRDGC

accepting those recommendations?

DR. GARCIA:

You mean accepting,

right?

MS. DIERS:

Mm-hmm.

DR.

GARCIA:

Because the question

says

accepting. But which one is

-- I need some

clarification on

that.

MS. DIERS:

I’m sorry.

On Page

3 of

your pre-filed testimony,

“Our recommendations have

been implemented.” And question -- the

pre-filed

question three is asking who -- what

recommendations

are you

referring

to, and who did

you

make them

to?

MR. ANDES:

you’re referring --

DR. GARCIA:

Oh, yeah.

MR.

ANDES:

So you’re referring to

recommendations

about

the SEPA stations.

DR. GARCIA:

Yes.

MS.

DIERS:

I think -- yeah.

I think

that’s what it’s trying

to ask.

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specifically with

respect

number six, when

did

your research begin with

the density currents you

were looking

in the system?

DR. GARCIA:

In the system? A long

time ago. You mean the Chicago River System?

MS. DIERS:

Mm-hmm.

DR. GARCIA:

Almost ten years

ago,

nine years ago.

MS.

DIERS:

Okay.

And then with

respect to

Bubbly

Creek?

DR. GARCIA:

Bubbly Creek

year and

half ago, as

stated before.

MS. DIERS: And when will your

study

completed?

DR. GARCIA:

I think in

about a year.

MS. TIPSORD: For clarification, the

study

Bubbly

Creek.

DR. GARCIA:

On Bubbly Creek,

yes.

This I have

-- I think it’s in the testimony.

MR. ANDES:

This is the

study to

develop the 3-D model. Am I correct?

DR. GARCIA:

Yes.

We -- this -- what

we’re doing now is part of

larger project with

the

idea of being able

model the Chicago waterways

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and develop a 3-D model of the waterways, and

what

we’re

doing

right now is what we call phase one,

and

it entails the

Chicago River from Grand Avenue in

the north branch

all the way

the dock

the lake

in the main stem, and then

all the way down the

south branch

Cicero Avenue

just upstream of

Stickney.

And the

reason why we broke this

down in phases is

because

originally,

I wanted

to do

the whole 80 miles in one shot, and something

called

my senses, and

I said, “Well, isn’t that

little bit

too

much?” And

as it turns out, yes. If

you

try

to do everything

once, it’s

lot.

So what we

are doing now -- this

is phase one, like I explained -- and inside

phase

one is Bubbly Creek.

This project, phase one, is

36-month project, and I think

that we started

work on it somewhere in June of 2007. We finally

got

everything going in 2007.

MS. DIERS:

Okay.

And phase

one is

not completed?

DR. GARCIA:

Phase one is the one

that

we are working on, and

you

can

say

are halfway --

little

bit more than halfway.

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MS. DIERS:

Okay.

And what would

phase

two

be?

DR. GARCIA:

Phase

two is

going to

build the north branch. It’s going

include --

excuse me

second,

because

I don’t want

to --

MR. ANDES:

I believe we’re referring

to a

progress report

that was attached

the

testimony. That would

attachment three

the

testimony.

DR. GARCIA: No. Actually, this is --

MR. ANDES:

That’s

progress

report

on phase one.

DR. GARCIA:

Just a second.

MR. ANDES:

Let me clarify.

The

document

that Dr. Garcia

is referring to is not

attachment three. The progress report is

a separate

document, which is the research proposal, and we

can

provide

copies.

So this would be a new exhibit.

It’s

titled Research Proposal, the Chicago

Waterway

System, Environmental Modeling, Phase One, Chicago

River Main Stem, South Branch,

South

Fork

(Bubbly

Creek) and Sanitary and Ship Canal.

MS. TIPSORD: If there’s no objection,

will mark this research

proposal as Exhibit

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No. 196. Seeing none, it’s

Exhibit 196.

DR. GARCIA: So

this -- this proposal,

just

for clarification,

because

I think it’s

lot

easier to

read the document, this was the original

proposal we prepared for the District

develop

this 3-D

model

of the waterways,

okay? The proposal

was

written in mid-2006,

but because

of different

circumstances,

things didn’t start until mid-2007.

If you

go to

-- this

explains

what

we are doing and what we

were doing. It talks

about

density

currents, what we knew

about

density

currents

the time, which was the main stem

the

Chicago

River, the motivation for doing the 3-D

modeling. And then if you

to Page 12 of the

proposal,

it tells

you

what are the different phases

this project.

So you

have the phase one, which

is the one that we are on right now, and it says

this

proposal is one I was trying

explain, that

goes

from the main stem of the Chicago

River,

and

then the

north

branch;

and then the south branch of

the

Chicago River, the Sanitary and Ship Canal, and

the

south fork of the south branch of the Chicago

River -- that

would

Bubbly Creek -- and if

you

can see

there in parenthesis, we said Bubbly Creek

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will be initially

modeled with -- it’s

model

that -- a

2-D model.

We decided that there

was no point

trying

throw the kitchen sink

initially

at --

in terms of modeling Bubbly

Creek,

because

we knew

very little about

it.

we said why don’t we --

you

know, people

got

one model of it,

that was

Marquette University model

of it. We said, “Why

don’t

go 2-D

and try

to see

what happens on

plane

before we try

to see

what happens on the

column,” which we have already

done,

but

we started

with a 2-D

model. That’s another paper that will

presenting in Kansas that we can

also enter.

But let’s continue with this right

now. So you

can

see

here, the

proposal called for

that 36-month study, and

that’s what we have done,

little bit

more than halfway into it, and then we

have a

phase two, which is 24 months,

and then we

have a phase

three.

One thing that is

important

mention is that together,

with this proposal, they

use a

logical

survey, and also submitted

proposal

synoptic measurements, that is

measurements

flow and water quality at

different locations,

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including the symmetry of the water elevation in the

river

that we can

put

that into the mathematical

model

run it, basically,

to do

the model

predictions. And those are still ongoing, and

they’re going to -- they’re going to

continue.

that, in

way -- if we

go back

your question, when did the research begin, it

began mid-2007. Who is involved in this

research?

Well,

the University of Illinois, our group, and

also

the geological survey is involved with

few

measurements, along with the District

well.

They’re monitoring

the research branch. They

are

also working with

on the mission. We need

run

them

all.

MS. DIERS:

After the 3-D model

results become available,

how

will these results

used to

determine the aquatic life potential for

the

south fork, south branch of the Chicago River?

DR. GARCIA: What is

that question?

MS. DIERS:

It’s

followup

based on

what we’ve been talking about.

DR. GARCIA:

Oh, okay.

MR. ANDES:

Can

you

repeat the

question?

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happens when

you don’t -- just normal operations of

the

river, what

goes on in the river, that’s what

makes Bubbly Creek kind

of unique,

because

it’s in

two completely different

stages. You

know, one

were

there’s practically no flow, and one were there’s

flow.

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answer

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is how are we going

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figure

out

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to assess water quality in the Chicago

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do you say -- if not with

more precision, in

educated

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what are the true

conditions in the river.

MS. DIERS: I’ll

go to

pre-filed

question eight. What

other options were there

besides the environmental fluid

dynamics code? I

guess

I should also ask first what is

the

environmental fluid

dynamics code?

DR. GARCIA:

Yeah.

The environmental

dynamics code -- yeah. We have

-- if

you

want,

can give

you

the --

MR. ANDES:

We have

an exhibit, which

titled

Environmental Fluid Dynamics

Code,

EFDC.

MS. TIPSORD:

If there’s no objection,

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will mark

Environmental Fluid Dynamics

Code,

EFDC, as

Exhibit 197.

Seeing none, it’s

Exhibit 197.

DR.

GARCIA: The environmental fluid

dynamics

code, as

the name indicates,

three-dimensional

code

that can

be used to model

dynamic sediment

transport, and it also has

nitrification components,

for example, and it was

available

Dr. Joe Hambrick (phonetic)

when he was

professor at the Virginia Institute of Marine

Science in the early

‘90s, and it was there

originally for rivers going into

estuaries. But

it’s a

model that

has received wide application --

MR. ANDES:

I can

stop you

there,

Marcelo,

we have

another exhibit, which is

a list of

known EFDC

applications as of January 2004.

MS. TIPSORD:

If there’s no objection,

will mark

the list of known EFDC

applications

Exhibit 198. Seeing

none, it’s Exhibit 198:

MR. SUISKI:

Two from

200.

DR.

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So what

you

can

see from

this second -- if we were

in class I would

say a

handout -- exhibit, is

because

it’s

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used

in places like

the Everglades, and it’s

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also had the opportunity

have

been

exposed

this

code as part of a five-year

review panel, and this was

a case

between General

Electric and U.S. EPA, and I was part of the review

planning

the modeling, and one of the models that

they use

river model,

and

fish dynamics

model, and

risk of human exposure

model, and

the model that they had

used at

the time was the

EFDC.

And in that

particular

case,

the model

struggled a

little

bit, because it was a natural

river, very different from what they have in this

particular case.

But that’s how

you

begin

intimate

with

the EFDC. And

when the time came

choose

tool, I thought the learning

curve, if

with this model, is going

to be a

lot shorter

than

if we try

to start

work with another model,

commercial or public, or if we try

to develop it on

our

own.

MS. DIERS: Okay.

Pre-filed question

number nine, which I think we might have talked

about, but

Ill

ahead and ask it, what conditions

might

cause

the south branch

of the Chicago River

act as a barrier

the flow coming

out

the south

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fork

of the

south branch

the

Chicago River?

DR.

GARCIA:

Right.

Yes.

What

I --

what

I tried

-- when I

referred to

that

on the

testimony,

the way

visualize

this is that

depending

what the

water

levels

are in

the south

branch

the Chicago

River,

you

know that

the

models of

the waterways

is that when

there

storm on

the

way,

Rockport

they open

up the

gates,

and

they

say,

“Okay.

We need

lower the

water

surface elevation

in the waterways

anticipation

of the rain

that we

are going

get.”

the

idea

is that

you

remain

some storage

capacity

doing that.

Now,

there

are other instances

which

you do that,

but

still

it starts to

rain,

the

water level

in the river

starts to go

up. So

depending

what the

water elevation

compared to

the water

coming out

of Bubbly

Creek, you

are going

have

what

we call

backwater

effect.

Essentially,

the

south branch

is going

back

the water coming

out

of Bubbly

Creek.

Now, that

going

to depend on

how

much Racine

Avenue is pumping,

and

how

much is

coming out of

the storm outfalls,

the ones

that

you

Page

can

see

in Exhibit 1 right here.

all

of those

are going to contribute water, particularly during

storm

event, and

depending on what the south branch

doing in terms

of water surface elevation, this

going

backup, more

or less, water into Bubbly

Creek, and that’s what I meant

that.

It’s

dynamic situation, and

the

way this works

-- because Bubbly Creek has an

inoperative flow -- all it

does

get all the

kinetic energy, or the water coming

out

the

pumps, transforms

that kinetic energy

potential

energy, essentially, and raises the

water level,

into

then Racine,

you

know, the pumping station,

until the water starts

flow

towards the south

branch. Now, if the water in the south branch

too

high, well, it’s

going to flow less.

And the effect

of that, if I could

elaborate more, is that

times, you’re going

have Bubbly Creek moving with

a certain regime of

flow velocity. The flow discharge is going

the same,

but depending on what the south branch

doing, the water is

going to move faster, more

slowly, in Bubbly Creek, and it could work.

Depending on the

effects, sometimes it could work

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settling tank, and

sometimes it could actually

transport

-- you

could

be swift enough

resuspend,

and move whatever came in,

plus

whatever

it can pick

from the bottom of the creek.

So what the south branch

does,

it’s

important

to the dynamics of the CSOs in Bubbly

Creek. And therefore, that’s

the

need

to have a 3-D

model, because the only thing

you

can

-- I can

come

here and

try to explain this,

but

the only way

you

can

this

is through direct observation, doing

many measurements

as you

can.

MR. ANDES:

If I can follow

that.

you

have these wet

weather events where

the flow may

coming

out

of Bubbly Creek and

going

into the south branch, if

one, then, were

to add

flow augmentation, supplemental aeration

to address

issues, what effect could that have, in. terms

changing the phenomenon?

What impacts would that

have outside of Bubbly Creek?

DR. GARCIA:

You’re asking me now?

MR. ANDES:

Yes,

yes.

DR. GARCIA:

Well,

you know, there is

consideration

of,

Fred is saying, increasing

the

amount of flow,

particularly in dry weather

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conditions, so that the water moves, injecting

air

and

forth. We

have more than that

well with

our 2-D model, and what

we have found is we need

know more about the

sediments along the bottom of

Bubbly Creek.

And the reason why we need

to know

more is

because, as you know, there is

legacy

there of material that was

-- that found its way

into Bubbly Creek for many, many years from

the

stockyards and the packing -- the meatpacking

houses, and there is

always buildup, and then on

top

of that buildup there is

a contemporary -- and I

call it contemporary

for lack of.a better word --

the contemporary sediments

have found their way

there

from the

outfalls and the water coming

out of

the pumping station.

MR. ANDES:

Should we use your report

that issue?

DR. GARCIA:

Yes.

Yeah, we can

use

that.

MR.

ANDES:

We have an exhibit on

this

issue. It’s titled Two

Dimensional BOD and D.O.

Water Quality Model for Engineering

Applications,

the

Case

of Bubbly

Creek in Chicago, Illinois.

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MS. TIPSORD: If there’s no objection,

will mark the report

described

Exhibit 199.

Seeing none, it’s Exhibit 199. There are extra

copies of these last four exhibits,

too,

that are

still up

here on

the front table if somebody needs

one.

DR. GARCIA: So if

you

-- this is also

another word

with

my graduate students -- here what

we tried to do

was model

the

water quality in

Bubbly

Creek,

and

try

understand what was going on.

And

the main -- the main thing coming

out

of it, if

you

look at

figure

-- don’t look at the equations,

because

you’re not going

like the equations. But

you

look at Figure 4, there we

have

the symmetry

Bubbly Creek, and then we look

the flow

velocity field in different colors.

So what we

were

trying

to do here

is figure out

how fast

does

the water move in Bubbly

Creek when the Racine Avenue pumping station is

discharging

water

at a certain

rate.

you look

this figure, it corresponds

to a

rate of

about

cubic meters per second. And then what we try

is, besides

modeling

the

flow velocity,

you can

see

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But also, if

you’re trying to

any type

-- or you’re considering any

type of

remediation

alternative

try

keep dissolved

oxygen levels

at the certain value, then

you

have

take that into account,

the possibility that, “Okay.

We could recirculate the water, which

is one of the

things

that we

can look

at.

Besides pumping

water

from the south branch,

besides adding oxygen

that

water, we also have

look

what

if we

just

recirculate and we increase, we pump

in air.” Well,

this seems to

work

on the surface,

but

we still

have

this question of all the

solids, the sediments in

the water. So there’s that.

MR. ANDES:

So to follow

up, does

that

mean that if

you

apply these methods, the

aeration,

recirculation, but

you

don’t

it correctly,

you

could

actually

worsen

the problem?

DR. GARCIA:

That would

correct,

yes.

MR. ANDES:

And you

would

need to

these additional 3-D modeling and further

studies in

order to determine what

to do

and what levels

you

could

get to.

Am I

correct?

DR. GARCIA:

Yes.

Besides the 3-D

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modeling, what we are in the process of doing now is

basically turning Bubbly Creek into

lab, an

experimental lab, in the sense that we are trying

add

sensors to the ones that the District

already

has, the water quality sensors that we have.

We are going

have flow sensors

well,

but

also

we just build

gizmo, which is

just

half a pipe --

and

I saw it yesterday. It’s not done

yet, but

follow the experience of the Illinois

state

water

survey with Tom Butts. He did

lot of measurements

of sediment oxygen in demand on the waterways of

Illinois. This is

report that people can download

from the web.

But basically, they

use

what is

called

ventichamber that

you

lower it, you put it

on the bottom of a

stream

or lake,

and then

you run

water

through

it, and

you do a test,

and

you

can

figure

out

how the sediment oxygen demand changes.

We can modify that, and

now we

are

building -- in

our shop, in the department, we are building

new

flow with the idea that was

used

before of

this

ventichamber, but it’s a little

bit optimized from

highly dynamic point of view.

So we are going

lower

it in

the

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water of Bubbly Creek in different locations,

because

there is

lot of spacial variability on the

quality of the sediments, we think, and then we are

going to do a test where we are going

run with

pump from

a pontoon.

are going to

recirculate --

and this is in collaboration with

geological

survey with the District -- we are going

recirculate the water, and

we are going to get water

that is in sediment oxygen demand

different

locations in Bubbly Creek for different flow

conditions.

you

may

say,

“Well, that’s

fine. What is going to come

out

of it?” Well, what

is going

come

out

of it is going

allow

obtain, experimentally, laws that is basically in

equation,

that then we

are going to be able to

put

irto our l-D model, like the Marquette Model, or

you’re going

be able

to put

this in

3-D model

that gives

you

all the -- what

could be

potentially

the resuspension

different locations, and what is

going to

the sediment oxygen demand as

function

of flow velocity

different locations in Bubbly

Creek.

MS. TIPSORD: Dr.

Garcia,

you referred

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to a

report

that could

download from the

web.

Could you

please tell

the website where

that’s

available?

DR. GARCIA:

Yes.

I can give you

copy

of the report, but

I only have one

copy.

MS. TIPSORD:

If it’s --

DR. GARCIA:

If you do -- yes.

MS.

TIPSORD: If it’s available on the

web, I

think if

you

could

just

give us a

citation of

what --

DR. GARCIA:

It’s the Illinois State

Water Survey.

MR. ANDES:

We can

provide

link

later.

MS. TIPSORD:

Okay.

That would be

great.

DR. GARCIA: I can’t tell you

what it

now,

because

all the surveys

have

just

been

transferred to

the University.

MS. TIPSORD: Yes.

That’s all right.

we can

get

it later that’s

fine.

DR. GARCIA: But if you do

Illinois

State

Water Survey and

you

type

Butts, B-u-t-t-s,

Thomas Butts

was

the

author of the report.

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MS.

TIPSORD:

Thank

you.

DR.

GARCIA:

And

this

ISWS,

Illinois

State

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interest

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same person,

coworkers

MS.

TIPSORD:

Thank

you.

DR.

GARCIA:

the

subject.

MS. flIERS:

With

respect

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-- and

I’m

going

ask

a question

about

Figure

4 in

your

report.

DR. GARCIA:

199

is -- did

MS.

TIPSORD:

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two

dimensional

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MS.

DIERS:

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two

dimensional

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DR.

GARCIA:

Yes.

MS.

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The

numbers

that

you

have

your

Figure

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they

measured

modeled?

DR.

GARCIA:

Figure

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have

put

it under

the

condition

at the

Racine

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pumping

station.

MS.

flIERS:

So based

this

modeling,

it -- are

you

assuming

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below

8.1?

DR.

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this

case.

While if

you go to

the other

monitoring station, the

one on 36th Street, which

lower

set

of curves than

the red one, then

you see

that the oxygen

goes

down,

and it has a hard time

coming back and making it

above two milligrams

per liter, even after

72 hours. So after --

72 hours after this

CSO

event

happened, according

our model and according

the measurements

taken

the District,

you

can

see

that it takes awhile

to go

back.

So what this is telling

us is that

even though Bubbly

Creek is relatively short

compared

the rest of the waterways,

it doesn’t

behave the same. You know, in its first half,

you

want

call it, in

the first portion that it

does -- as you get

closer

the south

branch.

Therefore,

we go back

what we said before,

the

dynamics of what happens

both aerodynamically and

intensive water quality in the creek is

influenced

what the south

branch is doing.

MS. DIERS: I have nothing

further.

Thank you.

MS.

TIPSORD:

Miss Dexter?

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MS. DEXTER: Jessica Dexter with the

Environmental Law and Policy Center.

MR. JOHNSON:

Before

you get

started,

Jessica, just

quick question.

Dr. Garcia, our

environmental

engineering

students

at U

of I are lucky,

because

clearly

you enjoy

teaching and have done

great

job

today.

DR. GARCIA:

Thank

you.

MS. TIPSORD:

You

say

in your

conclusions here that

you

think additional study is

essential

prior

to us

setting water quality

standards.

you

think the District and the Agency

and

us,

ultimately,

will have enough information

that

the end of phase one, or

do you

think

each of the proposed additional phase two

and

phase

three would be --

DR. GARCIA: Well, with regards

Bubbly Creek, I would hope that yes,

we are going

have

enough --

MR. JOHNSON:

Okay.

DR. GARCIA:

-- at the

end of phase

one.

MR. JOHNSON: Which is a little

over

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year down the line?

DR. GARCIA:

About,

yes.

MR. JOHNSON:

Thank you.

MS. DEXTER:

One second. All right.

Most

of my

pre-filed questions

have been answered

during IEPA’s questions,

but

have

few

followups

about

the density currents. The density

currents

that

your

model

predicting,

just so it’s

clear to

me, are those

due to

increased sediment

density, or is there

temperature density factor

also?

DR. GARCIA:

It could

be a

combination

of all of them.

MS. DEXTER:

Okay.

DR. GARCIA: And we have found, after

awhile, when

we look

the density currents

that we

started

in the -- around 2000, we found

out

that

the

north branch at times, particularly in the winter,

it could be

denser in the main stem, and this had

with the diversion from Lake Michigan. We

submitted that, you

know,

this would be the

wind

blowing, but

it could also

be a

stratified flow.

the beginning, we thought the temperature was the

main cause

of this,

because it

was in winter

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contribute.

But for clarification,

for

Bubbly

Creek, from what

we know

far,

now

we are

going to

more measurements,

and

this

creek

is going

measure

exactly -- you’re

going

see what’s

coming

out

of the pumps.

MS. DEXTER:

Okay.

Does the

temperature

of the flow

coming

out

of Bubbly

Creek

tend

to be

warmer

cooler

than that in

the south

branch?

DR. GARCIA:

That’s

a good question.

I had

to guess,

think

it’s going

be cooler

than what

there on

hot

summer

day.

You

know,

things

are sizzling

pretty

good.

That’s

why

it’s

called

Bubbly

Creek in the

summer.

come and

look at

-- we have

bodies of

temperature,

and now

we’re

going

measure

more,

but

I think

we look,

we’re probably

going

find

out

that

it’s

going

cooler.

Now, having

said

that,

you

look

diagram

-- and

I could

just

take

a moment

here

-- if

you

plot

temperature

versus density,

looks

-- something

that.

MS. TIPSORD:

I’m sorry.

Dr. Garcia,

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you’re going

have

explain that for the

record.

DR. GARCIA:

Oh, okay.

MS. TIPSORD:

Remember, people will

reading

the transcript and they won’t know what --

DR. GARCIA: Well, let me

just say,

then, in simple words: To create

-- to

create the

density current, just based

on temperature

differences, you

need

have very large temperature

differences.

MS. DEXTER:

Okay.

And you don’t

think

that those temperature differences

currently --

DR. GARCIA:

I don’t.

MS. DEXTER:

There’s not

great

difference that you

know of?

DR. GARCIA:

Not in the summer.

MS. DEXTER:

Okay.

DR. GARCIA:

But if

you

probably

have

a CSO today,

it would probably float in Bubbly

Creek.

MS. DEXTER:

All right.

DR. GARCIA:

It will

lighter. So

you

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have,

like,

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undeveloped. If

you don’t have enough density

difference,

just

the

motion or the water itself will

disrupt the formation of

the density current, and

you’ll just have

regular river flow,

or what we

call

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free surface flow.

don’t

know if this

clarifies it.

MR. GIRARD:

Yes,

it did.

Thank

you.

DR. GARCIA:

The

difference would have

to be

large.

MS.

DEXTER:

Okay. And if that

-- if

there was such

large difference

and there -- let’s

see.

Let

back

one

step.

How often

throughout the year

would you expect a density current

occur?

you

know that from your model?

DR. GARCIA:

You mean

in Bubbly Creek?

MS.

DEXTER:

Yes.

In Bubbly Creek,

how -- is this

constant

problem?

DR. GARCIA:

We haven’t

done a long

term analysis of it

because we’re still working

the model,

but

depending on

the conditions of the

CSO, there’s a sediment. You’re going

have --

you

could have

a density current when -- amidst

Bubbly Creek,

but you

could

also have

-- you

know,

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Bubbly

Creek is going

mix

pretty

good, too,

but

it’s small compared

the amount of water that

comes

in.

But

the junction

with the south

branch,

depending what

below the sediment, the

flow

might

get

there and

just say,

“I’m going

continue

as a

regular flow,”

but

the conditions

could

such -- that’s why

we’re showing one of the

exhibits

-- that it made plans and may become

density

flow.

So the answer to your question is

I don’t

know,

because

it’s going

depend on the

frequency of CSO events and the characteristics of

CSO events,

and that’s why now we’re going back with

the

District, and we are going

measure exactly --

not

just

the

flow, how

much

is coming

out, but

what

are

the characteristics of what is coming

out

there in terms of suspended solids, BOD, D.O., and

forth, and other parameters.

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MS. DEXTER:

Okay.

DR. GARCIA:

So the answer is going

vary.

It’s going

to depend

on -- and the whole

purpose is,

you

know, things are optimized, and TARP

gets

bigger. The frequency

of this flow is going to

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down, and the characteristics

of the flows are

going

to be

bigger. But as

long

as you

pump, the

possibility

of having the phenomenon are going to be

there.

MS. DEXTER: Would you

characterize it

being

rare occurrence

common occurrence

that

-- from -- can

you

tell right now if this

something

that

you

think happens quite

frequently,

is this something that happens

more or less --

DR. GARCIA:

don’t know how

frequently

it happens,

but

I think thepotential is

there

for this to happen each

time

you

have

CSO

event.

MS. DEXTER:

Okay.

DR. GARCIA: The potential is there.

doesn’t mean that it’s going

happen

each time,

but

it’s there.

MS. DEXTER:

Okay.

I think that

covers

my followup questions, and

now I’ll

just

ask

my pre-filed

questions four and five. Do

you

know

the District or the University of

Illinois,

Urbana-Champaign, or anyone else to

your knowledge

has studied

fish

passage

through the CAWS?

DR. GARCIA:

Fish passage?

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MS. DEXTER:

Fish

passage.

You

mentioned something

about

fish

passage

standards in

your testimony.

DR. GARCIA: Right.

can tell

you

what U

of I is doing right now. We haven’t studied

fish

passage

in Bubbly Creek, okay? That’s number

one. What we are doing right now is

we are

looking

small dam located in the northbranch of the

Chicago River

just

before the junction with the

north shore channel, and the Friends of the Chicago

River

wanted

look

at the

possibility

modifying

the

dam and

put

fish way there, something they

call

fish

way,

a fish passage.

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the District. U of I was contacted

the District

see, you

know, if we had any experience with

these, and we had done work in the mid-90s. We

did

substantial

amount

of work for the state,

actually. First from IDOT, and then when

the

division of water resources went from IDOT

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Illinois Department

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-- I

think

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DR. GARCIA:

So what we did then --

this

is how we

get

into the fish passage analysis.

now what we are trying to do in the lab,

we build

model.

have to

remove the model that we have

of the

Chicago River. We have

model there, and if

you

go to

Wilkie and

you say

density currents

the

Chicago River, you’re going

find it, because

it’s

going

take

you there to a

picture of the model.

We had to

take it

out because

we have no more room,

and

now we built

model of

little bit of

the

north shore branch, the

north shore channel, and

whatever space

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COUNTY

COOK

REBECCA

GRAZIANO, being first

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court reporter

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