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Pollution

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Board

ILLINOIS

POLLUTION

CONTROL

BOARD

October

2008

THE

MATTER

OF:

PROPOSED

AMENDMENTS TO

THE

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R06-20

BOARD’S SPECIAL

WASTE

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(Rulemaking

REGULATIONS

CONCERNING

USED

OIL,

)

Land)

ILL.

ADM.

CODE

808,

809

TPANSCRIPT

PROCEEDINGS

held

the

above-entitled

cause

before

Hearing

Officer

Timothy

Fox,

called

the

Illinois

Pollution

Control

Board,

pursuant

notice,

taken

before

Rebecca

Graziano,

CSR,

within

and

for

the

County

Cook

and

State

Illinois,

the

James

Thompson

Center,

100

West

Randolph

Street,

Room

9-040,

Chicago,

Illinois,

the

1st

Day

October,

A.D.,

2008,

commencing

10:30

a.m.

L.A.

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APPEARANCES

ILLINOIS

POLLUTION

CONTROL

BOARD:

Ms. Timothy

Fox,

Hearing

Officer

Ms. Alisa

Liu,

P.E.,

Environmental

Scientist

Mr.

Anand

Rao,

Senior

Environmental

Scientist

Mr.

Tanner

Girard,

Acting

Chairman

Ms.

Andrea

Moore,

Attending

Board

Member

Mr. Thomas

Johnson

ILLINOIS

ENVIRONMENTAL

PROTECTION

AGENCY

Ms. Stephanie

Flowers

Mr.

Theodore

Dragovich

CRYSTAL

CLEAN

Mr. Greg

Ray

SAFETY

CLEAN

Mr.

Dan

Appelt

FUTURE

ENVIRONMENTAL,

INC.

Mr.

Mike

Lenz

MR.

CHRISTOPHER

HARRIS,

1511

West

Babcok

Bozeman,

Montana

59715

(406)

586-9902

BY:

MR. CHRISTOPHER

HARRIS

Appeared

behalf

of NOPA.

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MR.

FOX:

Good

morning

everyone,

and

welcome

this

Illinois

Pollution

Control Board

hearing. The

posted

time

10:30

having

come,

want

call

this

hearing

order.

preliminary

housekeeping

detail,

have

sought

reach

the

Illinois

Environmental

Protection

Agency,

who

is,

course,

not

now

present

in this

room,

determine whether

and

when

they

may

arriving.

But

certainly

our

posted

time

has

come,

and

will

proceed

with

the

hearing.

name

Tim

Fox,

and

the

hearing

officer

for

this

rulemaking,

which

entitled

Proposed

Amendments

the

Board’s

Special

Waste

Regulations

Concerning

Used

Oil,

Illinois

administrative

code

808

and

809.

The

board

docket

number for

this

rulemaking

R06-20.

Also

present

today

from

the

Board

are

immediate

right

Andrea

Moore,

who

the

lead

board

member

for

this

rulemaking.

her

right

Dr.

Tanner

Girard,

who

the

acting

chairman

the

Pollution

Control

Board.

far

left

board

member

Thomas E.

Johnson,

and

immediate

left

are

Anand

Rao

and

Alisa Liu

the

Board’s

technical

staff.

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want

very

briefly

-- I’ll

stress

very

briefly

-- to

summarize

the

most

recent

activity

in this

proceeding.

you

probably

know,

May

1st of

this

year,

2008,

the Board

issued

opinion

and

order

proposing

amendment

of its

regulations

for

first noticed

publication.

have

small

number

copies

that

opinion

and order

available

here this

morning,

and those

proposed

amendments were published

in the

Illinois

May

30th

of 2008.

June 4th,

2008,

NOPA

filed

motion

requesting

hearing

following the

first

noticed

publication,

and

the

Board

granted

that

motion

July 10th

2008,

and

this

hearing

ensues

from

the

Board

order

that

date.

We did

have

one prehearing

issue,

motion

NORA

for an

extension

time

pre-file

its

testimony

for

hearing.

The

motion

indicated

that

the Agency

did

not

object

the

proposed

extension,

and

I have

issued

hearing

officer

order

granting

that motion,

which

has been

posted

the

Board’s

website,

and

there

are

copies

it available

on the

table

just

over

the

wall

here

right.

This

proceeding

is,

always,

governed

the

Board’s

procedural

rules.

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speak

loudly

and

clearly

you

can,

and

avoid

talking

at the

same

time

another

person

that

our

record

can

clear

possible.

have

any

questions

about

our

procedures

all?

With

that,

why

don’t

turn

NORA.

Mr.

Harris, I

had

mentioned

that

you

had

pardon

one

second.

And

let

interrupt

myself,

Mr.

Harris.

I’m

sorry

out

order.

should

have

the

record

reflect

and

Ms.

Flowers

forgive

for

speaking

right

over

you

the

Agency is

present

and

represented

Ms.

Stephanie

Flowers

and

Mr.

Dragovich

well.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Correct.

MR.

FOX:

And

can

offer

you

opportunity

ask

any

questions

about

the

procedure

that

you

have.

MS.

FLOWERS:

don’t

have

any

questions.

MR.

FOX:

Very

good.

Mr.

Harris,

thank

you

for

letting me

interrupt

myself.

You

had

indicated

that

you

wanted, I

believe,

begin

with

the

pre—filed

testimony

your

own,

and

with

Ms.

Custer,

and

with

Mr.

Lenz

then.

that

accurate?

MR.

HARRIS:

don’t

think

Ms.

Custer

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wants

add

what

she’s

already

pre-filed.

Mr.

Lenz

here,

and

definitely

want

responsive

can

the

Board’s

questions

and

carry

dialogue

including

with

the

with

the

Agency.

MR.

FOX:

Very

good.

Why

don’t

begin. If

Ms.

Custer

would

not

sworn

and

testify on

the

basis

of the

comments

that

she

has

filed,

why

don’t

have

the

court

reporter

swear

both

you

and

Mr.

Lenz,

and

can

proceed,

mentioned,

with

brief

summary

you

would,

please,

you

wish

offer

one.

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

MR.

FOX:

could

proceed

immediately

to the

questions

what

the

Agency

and

any

that

the

Board

has.

MR.

HARRIS:

I would

summarize,

but

I’ll

brief

MR.

FOX:

Very

good.

reporter

would

swear

Mr.

Harris

please.

(Witness

sworn.)

MR.

HARRIS:

Mr.

Fox

MS.

FLOWERS:

Can

I ask

a question?

possible.

the

court

and

Mr.

Lenz,

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certainly

give

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review

it,

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take

break

any

time

what

can

produce

copy

that

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then

through

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process of

seeing if

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any

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part

anyone

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HARRIS:

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FOX:

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HARRIS:

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you,

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MR.

FOX:

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you

for

letting

interrupt

you.

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HARRIS:

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you,

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Fox.

that’s our

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give

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some

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our

members

can

give

additional

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and

some

reasons

why

this

makes

sense. Again,

we would

eliminate

the

duplication,

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considerable

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the

number

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are

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feasibility

is an

important consideration

for

the

Board.

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asking for

any diminution

environmental

protection.

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asking

for

some

relief

for paperwork.

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emphasize

that we

are

not

trying to do

an end run

around

the special

waste rules.

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our

purpose.

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mind engaging

dialog

that

as to

what would

efficient,

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our

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today’s

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rulemaking.

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to answer

any questions,

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think

our members

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also

able

to,

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might

unless

you want

ask questions

right now, Mike

Lenz

is prepared.

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good.

Why

don’t

we,

before

introducing

the testimony

of any

other

witnesses,

proceed

to any

questions

specifically

for

you,

Mr.

Harris, that

either

the

Agency --

MR.

HARRIS:

course.

MR.

FOX:

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other

participant

may

have.

Miss Flowers,

you

had,

on behalf

the

Agency, filed

on September

15th

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entertain

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questions

after

you’ve

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opportunity

pose

some

questions

of your

own.

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FLOWERS:

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sorry.

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FOX:

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pose

questions

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now

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his

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testimony

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his

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this

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he’s

willing

entertain

those

right

now.

MS.

FLOWERS:

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MR.

FOX:

you

wish

pose

the

pre-filed

questions

some

the

other

witnesses

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MS.

FLOWERS:

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MR.

FOX:

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also

willing

wait

until

you

have

done

that

pose

any

questions.

MS.

FLOWERS:

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have

questions

of Mr.

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it’s

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FLOWERS:

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not

the

only

requirements

that

are

listed

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HARRIS:

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FLOWERS:

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are

reporting

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such

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never

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HARRIS:

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that

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drafting

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part

that

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our

let

quite

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balance

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special

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FLOWERS:

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assume

that

you

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revising

this?

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HARRIS:

I’d

happy

advice

reflect

that

basic

point,

yes.

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RAO:

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ask

followup-related

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Mr.

Harris,

your

pre-filed

testimony,

your

summary

changed

proposed

changes

Part

739,

and

just

wanted

clarify

whether

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changes

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Lenz

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their

companies

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FOX:

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Lenz

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LENZ:

was.

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PAY

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FOX:

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Ray,

could

have

the

court

reporter

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testimony,

please.

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FOX:

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you

very

much.

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Harris,

apologize

for

the

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HARRIS:

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Ray,

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address

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Flowers’

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RAY:

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RAY:

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LiENZ:

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DRAGOVICH:

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RAY:

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saying “I would

encourage

them

not to put

it in

there.” But

now if

you -- if this

goes

into effect,

why

would

you

not?

Now it’s

not going

to be an

economic

detriment

right,

right? And now

it’s

not

going

to be illegal.

MR.

RAY:

Are

you

asking

-- well,

let

see

I can

rephrase

the question

if I

understand

it, Ms.

Flowers.

Are you

saying

under

the proposed

rules,

the NORA

proposal,

why

wouldn’t

tell

a customer

mix

their

hazardous

waste

into

their

used

oil?

MS. FLOWERS:

Correct.

MR. RAY:

Okay.

number

reasons.

First, it

has

the

potential

-- you

know,

we’d

have

look carefully

the

rules

to see if

under

the

regulations

particular

scenario

was

allowed,

and

certainly

only some

kinds of hazardous

waste

mixing

used

oil

are

allowed.

A typical --

MS.

FLOWERS:

Right.

But

you are

you

are

saying that

that

should

be allowed.

ThatTs

the language

here.

MR.

RAY:

Well,

the language

here

intended.

And Mr.

Harris already

commented

it’s

intended to

preserve

the way that

state

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you

had

incident

with

you

with

the

ink

with

used

oil,

how

does

the

language

that

you’re

proposing

prevent

those

source

mixtures?

seems

encourage

them.

MR.

RAY:

Well,

may

not

be answering

your

question.

MR.

RAO:

May I

ask

interject

and

ask

question.

Hopefully

might

help.

Under

the

current

rules,

long

you

manifest

your

pickups

used

oil

from

different

generators,

you

can

whatever

that

you

have

proposed

here.

right?

MR.

RAY:

That’s

understanding,

yes.

That’s

the

position.

MR.

FAQ:

Because

739

Section

110

has

these

provisions

the

rules.

The

only

thing

that’s

different

in Illinois

you

need

manifest

your

you

know,

your

waste

collection

whether

it’s

used

oil

it has

anything

else

it, but

you

can

still

manage

what

you

collect in

accordance

with

our

Part

379

rules.

MR.

RAY:

Yes.

That’s

understanding.

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

MR.

RAY:

I think

that’s

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MR.

RAO:

Okay.

And

you’re

not

proposing more

than

what’s

already

the

rules,

but

you’re

proposing

some

limitations

them?

MR.

RAY:

That’s

my view,

yes.

MR.

HARRIS:

are

proposing

that

these

four

categories

materials

which

are

regulated

used

oil

under

Part

279

exempt

from

the

manifest

requirements

and

only

the

manifest

requirements.

MR.

RAO:

Thank

you.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Can

you

are

you

done,

Stephanie?

Can

back

question?

think

you

answered

question

small

quantity

generated

waste

for

hazardous

waste,

but

I’d

better

understanding

whether

you

think

and

I think

it was

mainly

your

automotive

customers

you’re

saying,

would

they

small

quantity generators

non-special

ways,

which

means

they

generate

less

than

gallons

month?

you

think

that’s

big

part

your

business,

you

think

most

your

customers

can

rate

than

that

quantity?

MR.

RAY:

don’t

have

great

statistics

that,

sir.

I think

that

the

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automotive

segment,

which

aboiit

half

our

business,

would

guess

that

number

customers,

the

number

that

think

are

conditionally

exempt

small

quantity

generators

that

might

the

neighborhood

of 50

percent,

and

I’m

assuming

that

you’re

trying

with

your

quantity

figures

get

the

exemptions

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

No.

Well,

underneath

the

special

waste

regulations,

there’s

an exemption

from

manifesting

for

generators

that

generate

less

than

100

kilograms

of special

waste

per

month.

MR.

RAY:

Okay.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

And

I’m trying

figure

out

really

how

big

of an

impact

this

has,

because

a lot

these

generators

are

already

exempt

from

manifest, I’m

not

sure

what

I’m

doing

here

today.

MR.

RAY:

Well,

MR.

LENZ:

Let

interject

something.

The

used

oil normally

throws

most

generators

you

count

the

used

oil

a special

waste.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Right.

MR.

LENZ:

That

will

throw

almost

all

generators

over

that

over

that

exemption

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threshold.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

For

your

company?

MR.

LENZ:

No,

over

the

exemption

threshold,

the

100

200

pounds

month?

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

It’s

yeah.

It’s

220

think.

MR.

LENZ:

Yeah.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

It’s

about

roughly

gallons.

MR.

LENZ:

Because

they

generate

used

oil,

they’re

normally

generating

than

that

amount.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

you

how

often

how

often

you

pick

and

how

many

gallons?

Just

average.

I’m

just

trying

get

idea

how

big

these

generators

are.

MR.

RAY:

And

you

want

give

---

can

give

you

averages

you’d

like.

MR.

LENZ:

gallons

6,500

gallons.

MR.

RAY:

average

number,

think,

from

what

I’ve

seen

the

industry

would

suggest

that

across

all

types

generators,

auto

and

manufacturing,

large

and

small,

that

the

average

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generator

might

generating 2,000

gallons

year,

probably

between

1,000

and

2,000

gallons

year

used

oil.

And

Mr.

Lenz

says,

definitely

have

customers at

the

small

end

that

who

generate

gallons

year,

and

we’ve

got

customers

who

generate

1,000

gallons

week.

MR.

LENZ:

try

to get

the

real

small

generators

store

than

one

drum

oil

before

they

call

for

pickup,

just

for

economic

reasons. In

fact,

those

small

generators

that

level

are

actually normally

charged

little

bit

for

pickup

because

your

transportation

costs

are

high

compared

the

value

you’re

getting.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

How

big

quantity

you

recommend that

they

hold?

MR.

LENZ:

Well,

I think

it’s

probably

different for

every

company,

but

if they

get

around

three

four

drums

of oil,

which

would

150,

200

gallons,

then

the

paint

gets

where

you

don’t

have

charge

and

can

possibly

pay a

little

bit

for

the

material.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

you think

most

these

generators

you’re

picking

once

month

then?

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MR.

LENZ:

Oh,

that

varies

all

over

the

board.

There

once

years,

thereTs

once

every

three

months.

MR.

RAY:

Again,

speaking

terms

from

own

self,

based

what

think

industry

averages

have

been,

think

you

talk

about

that

1,000

2,000

gallon

mean

number

that

customer

probably

having

their

used

oil

picked

up,

average,

four

five

times

year.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

ahead.

Become

your

questions.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Well,

mean,

who

are

with

now?

Are

back

Mr.

Harris

testimony?

Are

MR.

FOX:

can

add

observation,

you

had

questions

for

Mr.

Harris

based

his

testimony

and

the

proposal

NORA

that

had

some

assitance

answering

the

technical

aspects

which

you

wanted

return

Mr.

Harris,

appears

willing

entertain

further

questions.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

So,

mean,

think

were

left

off

talking

about

where

you

got

the

percent,

and

then

what

happens

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FLOWERS:

Well,

where

your

where

your

requirement

for

generator

specification?

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

it’s

the

-- itTs

virtually

every

bill

of lading

that

exists,

but

it’s

also

a requirement

RCRA

and the

used

oil

rules

that

the

generator

must

properly

characterize

his waste.

That’s

standard,

basic,

embedded

component

of RCRA

that

the generator

must

properly

characterize

its

waste

materials.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Let me

MR.

LENZ:

It’s

also outlined

language.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Yeah.

Where

outlined?

Because

don’t

see in

your language

that

there’s

any

generator

certification

this

-- in

this

all.

MR.

LENZ:

739.124,

says

the

generator

must

provide

the

client

with

the

classification

and description

the

non-used

oil

streams.

It’s

basically

MS.

FLOWERS:

Where

is that?

MR.

LENZ:

739.124,

our

proposed

language.

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HARRIS:

It’s

Page

15.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Oh.

MR.

LENZ:

There

isn’t

that

requirement

right

now.

MS.

FLOWERS:

you’re

talking

about

the

language

that

you

not

the

739.124

that’s

already

established.

You’re

talking

about

your

language?

MR.

LENZ:

Mm-hmm,

our

proposal.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Can

you

show

where

says

that?

MR.

LENZ:

739.124.

says

you

want

read

the

whole

paragraph?

MS.

FLOWERS:

Yeah,

please.

MR.

LENZ:

Okay.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Where

says

“certification”

anything

that

MR.

LENZ:

starts

out

“if

the

generator.”

you

see

where

that

starts?

MS.

FLOWERS:

Mm-hmm.

MR.

LENZ:

“If

the

generator

mixes

another

special

hazardous

waste

stream

the

used

oil

after

use

presents

another

special

hazardous

waste

the

used

oil

transporter

along

with

the

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used

oil

the

same

shipment

without

the

use

part

809

special

waste

manifest,

outlined

line

under

Part

739.110,

applicability,

the

Board

notes the

generator

must

provide

the

quantity,

classification,

and

description

the

non-used

oil

streams,

and

provide

such

information

the

transporter

the

time

acceptance

by the

transporter.”

MR.

HARRIS:

And

you

would

prefer

the

verb

certify

opposed

provide,

we’ll

happy

change

that.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Where

are

the

penalties

for

noncompliance?

MR.

LENZ:

would

similar

to,

let’s

say,

they

put

ignitability

ignitable

only

oil

the

ignitable

only

waste

the

oil

and

didn’t

tell

about

it.

MS.

FLOWERS:

But

what

but

there

are

penalties

not

filling

out

manifest.

There

you’re

just

talking

about

this

particular

must

provide,

there

penalties.

Where is the

penalties

associated

with

this

requirement?

MR.

LENZ:

don’t

really

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have

answer

for

that.

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

think

that’s

excellent

suggestion.

can

provide

some

penalties

that

would

track

identically

the

existing

MR.

LENZ:

The

penalties

aren’t

normally in

the

regulatory

language,

are

they?

They’re

not

normally

spelled

out

in the

regulatory

language.

MR.

HARRIS:

But

the

Board

the

Agency

wants

a cross

reference

make

clear

that

a false

certification

has

penalties,

we’d

happy

that.

That’s

not

that’s

not

problem.

I mean,

would

think

that

anything

under

the RCRA

system,

and

this

would

be,

there

are

false

reporting

requirements

under

the

existing

RCRA

language,

and

those

would

come

into

play.

But

you

want

even

explicit

standards,

I’m

happy

draft

those

for

you.

MR.

LENZ:

What

isn’t

there

standards if

you

don’t

I mean,

there’s

penalties

you

don’t

part

739,

right?

MR.

HARRIS:

Right.

MR.

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description

that

the

generator

must

provide?

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

can

you

sure.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Yeah.

It’s

that

same

paragraph

you

were

looking

at.

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

MS.

FLOWERS:

says

the

generator

must

provide

the

quantity,

classification

and

description.

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

let’s

say

that

we’re

let’s

say

that

we’re

talking

about

the

mixture

fuel

I’m

sorry.

We’re

dealing

with

this

provision.

This

would

the

small

conditionally

exempt

small

quantity

generator,

there

would

be a

basic

description

the

waste

material, the

hazardous waste

material

components.

was parts

cleaning

solvent,

that

would

described.

it was

specifically

mineral

spirits,

that

would

be described.

MR.

RAO:

And

just

this

classification

described

your

tracking

form?

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes,

correct.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

seems

you

addressed

description

but

not

classification.

What’s

what

you

mean

classification

then?

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Are

you

talking

about

hazardous

waste

classification

then?

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

there

might

yes.

There

might

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

just

want

understand

what

the

term

means.

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

There

might

F002

classification

or F005.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

So should

that

have

been

should

that

wording

hazardous

classification

then

opposed

just

I’m

just

trying

understand

why

that

wording

why

you

selected

that

wording.

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

you

want

get

into

the

improvements

the

wordsmithing,

I’d

happy

do it.

you’d

prefer

hazardous

waste

classification,

I’d

happy

add

MR.

LENZ:

Well,

that

applies

don’t

want

interrupt,

but

that

applies

nonhazardous

too,

right?

that’s

applying

to all

4 of

our

categories,

not

just

the

hazardous

waste

category.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

So,

I mean,

what

could

you

give

example

what

the

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classification

would

then?

MR.

LENZ:

Well,

let’s

say

for

wastewater

would

wastewater

nonhazardous.

MR. DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

MR.

LENZ:

Wastewater

is a

description,

nonhazardous

a classification.

Basically

the

same

manifesting.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

that

DOT

classification,

then,

that you’re

talking

about?

MR. LENZ:

It’s

basically

when

we --

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Just

generic

MR.

LENZ:

-- put

this together

were

going

off of

similar

I believe

the

manifest

asks

for

description

and

classification.

MR. DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

you’re

parallel

in --

MR.

LENZ:

Yeah,

parallel

in the

manifest.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

I think

that

-- yeah.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Why

are

getting

rid

of the

manifest

then

you’re

willing

provide

MR. HARRIS:

Let

-- as

I tried

explain

before,

would

to have

one

document.

MS. FLOWERS:

Why

isn’t

there

one

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document?

MR.

HARRIS:

Because

you’re

requiring

manifest.

MS.

FLOWERS:

But

the

manifest

would

cover

all

the

used

oil

regulations.

Why

would

you

have

two?

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

we’re

suggesting

MS.

FLOWERS:

There

only

needs

one,

and

only

needs

the

manifest.

MR.

HARRIS:

We’re

suggesting

that

there

one

document.

It’d

essentially

this

for

the

four

categories

materials

we’re

talking

about

that

would

combination

of the

DOT

requirements,

the

business

requirements

the

company,

and

the

requirements

that

you’re

asking

for

terms

the

manifest

information,

all

combined

one

document,

front

and

back

sheet.

MS.

FLOWERS:

So what

part

doesn’t

the

manifest

do?

doesn’t

supply

the

DOT

records,

doesn’t supply

your

business

records.

Which

part

doesn’t

the

manifest

MR.

HARRIS: It

certainly

doesn’t

provide

the

business

records

nor

all

the

tracking

information.

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MR.

LENZ:

Used oil

tracking

information.

MR.

JOHNSON:

Which

replicated

this form that

you have

proposed

that

you

used

satisfy all

three

of those requirements,

right?

MR. LENZ:

739

requirements.

MR.

HARRIS:

That

correct.

MR. FOX:

And let

interject,

may.

Ms.

Liu was kind

enough

produce copies

this document

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

MR.

FOX:

Mr. Harris that

you

had

provided,

and have

you had

chance

look

over

and verify

it is the

document you,

yourself,

prepared in

different

format?

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes,

Mr. Fox,

and I

appreciate

your

indulgence

and assistance

on ——

MR.

FOX:

Would

you

wish

move

that

into

the record

this

hearing

Exhibit

Number 19?

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

move that

this

entered

into

evidence

Exhibit 19.

MR.

FOX:

Very

well.

I know

that

Ms.

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Liu

had

distributed

copies

the

people

our

audience

and

the

Agency

well.

Is there

any

objection

any

grounds

admitting

this

Exhibit

Number

19?

MS.

FLOWERS:

No.

MR.

FOX:

It will

marked

and

admitted

Exhibit

Number

19,

and

thank

you,

Mr.

Harris, for

letting

interrupt

you.

MR.

HARRIS:

Thank

you,

Mr.

Fox.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

But

there

requirement

that

will

look

anything

this,

right?

mean,

could

just

blank

sheet

paper,

all

got

quantity,

classification,

description?

MR.

HARRIS:

Ms.

MS.

FLOWERS:

I mean,

really.

mean,

there’s

people

who

have

wrote

napkins.

mean,

what

are

talking

about

here?

MR.

HARRIS:

Ms.

Flowers,

your

comments,

which

I’ve

paid

very

attention

that

are

recorded

the

Board’s

opinion

and

order

May

1st,

think

it’s

Page

31,

you

said

the

information

that

would

the

wouldn’t

complete,

you

know,

didnt

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we adopted

NORA’s

proposal, the

information

that the

Agency

could

eventually

look

if it wanted

wouldn’t

be complete.

You wanted

all of the

information

on Part

830 --

Part 839 --

or Part 7 --

sorry.

MR. LENZ:

739.

MR.

HARRIS:

-- 739

and

part 809, and

said

okay,

fine. Let’s

provide

that.

that’s

the

purpose

of having

the

-- on the

second

half

the additional

special

waste

application

applicable.

You wanted

the dates

generated,

you

wanted the

additional

description

MS. FLOWERS:

I understand

all

that,

but

there’s no

requirement

that

this -- there’s

requirement

that this

form

the

thing that’s

filled out.

MR. HARRIS:

Yes.

We --

when

Claire

Manning

put

her

proposal

together

for

he changed

for

the tracking

document,

we would --

would

say

all

the applicable

information

that you’re

asking

for

be put in there.

So that’s

already proposed

before

the Board.

MR. RAY:

And

it’s

not

included

the

form,

again, I

think that our

intent

here

was

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concentrate

what

thought

were

the

substantive

issues

and

differences,

and

terms

form

you

think

that

would

be more

appropriate

for

describe

what’s

included

here

and

include

that

part

the

regulatory

change,

which

I think

Mr.

Harris

MS.

FLOWERS:

you

don’t,

one

has

provide

it.

MS.

MOORE:

I’m

sorry.

I couldn’t

hear

you.

MS.

FLOWERS:

you

not

specifically

state in

the

regulations,

then

one

obliged

provide

it.

MR.

PJ-Y:

You

know,

what

was

saying,

I believe

I understood

Mr.

Harris

have

said

earlier

this

morning

that

would

prepared

amend our

filing

and

include

specific

language

the

proposal

that

would

identify

the

relevant

‘9

fields,

and

that

wanted

that

way

that

would

cooperative

with

the

Agency.

We’re

happy

that.

Did

I misstate

any

that?

MR.

HARRIS:

you

haven’t

misstated,

and

already

have

basic

generic

proposal

suggesting

that

all

the

information

that

you

now

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have,

all

the

relevant

information

that

you

now

require

a manifest,

would

placed in

the

tracking

document.

That’s

already

proposal

that

NORA

has

made.

If you

want

get

even

specific,

and

MS.

FLOWERS:

Can

you

can

you

specifically

say

where

that’s

included?

Because

MR.

JOHNSON:

can’t

hear

you,

Stephanie.

What?

MS.

FLOWERS:

Can

specifically

show

where

that

stated

the

language

that’s

already

been

provided?

MR.

HARRIS:

I’d

have

look

up,

but

definitely

in the

record,

because

Claire

Manning

made

that

proposal

NORA’s

behalf.

It’s

short proposal,

and

basically

says

that

the

manifest information

will

included

the

tracking document.

MR.

RAY:

But

get

past

the

history

for

minute,

we’ve

said

will

include

that

proposed

regulations.

think

that

the

substantive

issue we

wanted

try

and

resolve,

you

know,

and

the

thing

that

thought

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that’s your

attempt

enter

this

information in

the

document?

MR.

HARRIS:

If you’re

referring

the

proposal

made

NORA’s

behalf

Claire

Manning

where

it talking

about

MR.

PAO:

I’m

talking

about

MR.

HARRIS:

what

uses

are

going

to--

MR.

RAO:

It’s

Page

16,

Section

739.146,

Subsection

86.

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes,

see

it.

Well,

this

was

meant

to go

hand

with

the

proposal,

which

that

because we

are

this

little

bit

frustrating,

because we’re

responding

IEPA’s

concerns

that

are

reflected

the

Board’s

opinion,

think,

Page

that

wanted

information,

it wanted

the

manifest

information.

what

we’re

saying

is fine,

you

want

information,

have

problem

with

that.

Let’s

put

that

the

tracking

document,

and

now

we’re

being

subjected

questions of

well,

it isn’t

sufficiently

spelled

out.

Okay.

We’ve

been

trying

sit

down

with

the

Agency

work

out

a compromise

that

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MS.

FLOWERS:

What

does

that

get

you

just

take

the

manifest

exemption,

you

give

your

manifest

exemption

out

808

and

809

and

then

require

the

exact

same

form

739,

what

are

you

gaining?

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

it’s

the

same

information,

but

it’s

not

the

same

form.

MR.

JOHNSON:

What

did

you

say

MR.

GIPARD:

Can

I ask

MR.

JOHNSON:

that

for

each

these

manifests

you

estimated

cost

least

$18

piece

produce?

that’s

what

they’re

saving.

They’re

saving

doing

multiple

tracking

and

multiple

manifests.

MR.

GIRARD:

Can

I ask

dumb

question,

though?

Instead

calling

this

tracking

document,

what

just

call

manifest

and

put

the

information

there?

Why

does

have

called

tracking

document?

MS.

MOORE:

Because

it’s

part

the

IDOT

thing.

MR.

LENZ:

got

that

language

from

739.

That’s

what

it’s

called.

You

have

tracking

document

under

there.

that’s

where

that

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MR.

GIRARD:

But

what

I’m

trying

understand

all

the

information

that

used

the

manifest

now

the

tracking

document,

call

the

tracking

document/manifest,

what’s

wrong

with

that?

You’re

still

putting

the

information

there.

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

speaking,

then,

guess,

only

for

myself,

because

I haven’t

consulted

with

colleagues

here,

but

the

tracking

document

shipping

paper,

you

wanted

label

a manifest,

that

would

fine.

Our

interest

pretty

simple,

which

one

piece

paper,

front

and

back,

there

would

the

three

components,

the

information

that

IEPA

says that

they

need from

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manifest.

Okay,

you

got

it.

The

business

information,

which

very

important

because that

allows the

businesses

operate

with

one

piece

paper,

and

remember

we’re

dealing

with

drivers

here.

We’re

not

dealing

we’re

not

dealing with

Harvard

educated

accountants.

We’re

dealing with

drivers

who

have

got

fill

this

out.

And

the

third

component

the

required

department

transportation

materials.

one

document

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LENZ:

Well

there’s

actually

fourth

requirement.

MR.

HARRIS:

fourth

requirement.

MR.

LENZ:

739

requirement.

MR.

HARRIS:

And 739

requirement.

one

document,

we’d

have

these

four

components

information

much

manageable,

and

then

don’t

have

another

$18

per

piece

paper.

MR.

FOX:

other

words,

the

739.146

tracking

document,

whatever

name

might

ultimately

given

it,

the

vehicle

for

collecting

the

information

that

satisfies

all

the four

requirements

you’ve

described

without

the

cost

and

other

issues

involved

duplicating

the

four

documents?

MR.

HARRIS:

Correct.

MS.

FLOWERS:

actually

this

form

wOuld

actually

even

more information

than

manifest?

MR.

HARRIS:

That

correct.

That

correct.

And

we’re

responding,

again,

your

concerns.

MR.

RAY:

Traditionally

and

this

may

our

want

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about

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HARRIS:

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get

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IEPA

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can

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JOHNSON:

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company

mean,

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ABC

recycling

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have

their

own

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them

would

have

each

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specific

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list

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rule

that

they

need

to do

that

are

currently

the

manifest,

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that

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exempt

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amounts

used

oil and

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the

exemption.

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what we’re

asking is

how

would you convey

that

the generator

they

could

make

that

decision?

MR. RAY:

Well,

may

sound

don’t mean

to sound

disrespectful,

but

guess what

want

point

out is

would

the

same way

we do

today.

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answer is that

this is not

new problem

created

the

proposed

paperwork

changes.

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real

world issue.

I talked

earlier

about

the example

customer

that

has

mixtures

different

oily

water

materials,

and

some of

them

have

water and

some

them

have

less

water,

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that same

problem with

customers

today.

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not

proposing

change

anything

under

the

regulatory

scheme.

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typically

would

tell

our

customer

today and

in the

future

is if

you’ve

got

material

that’s

got recoverable

used oil in

it,

you

can put it

in the

used oil. For

our company

and

for

our individual

business,

that

would

likely

different

than

for Mr. Lenz’s

company.

In my

company,

would

probably

tell them

that,

you

know,

anything

up to

-- you know,

in excess

of 1 or

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LENZ:

Because

the

generator

basically

doesn’t

know.

calls

us,

says

I’m

generating

this,

and

this,

can

you

take

it,

and

then

have

sort

out

from

there.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

But

aren’t

you

looking

after

it’s

mixed

already?

MR.

LENZ:

No.

MR.

RAY:

Well,

it works

both

ways.

That’s

what

was

going

argue

little

bit

with

you,

Mike,

that,

you

know,

generator

calls

and

says

“I’ve

mixture

and here’s

what

put

together.

Can

you

take

it,”

we will

talk

with

him

about

what

put

the mixture

MR.

LENZ:

Right,

break

down.

MR.

RAY:

would

say

we would

handle

that

used

oil.

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said

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got

really

clean

water

stream

over

here

and

there’s

no used

oil

it and

I’m

throwing

that

there

too,”

we’d

say

you

should

stop

that.

That

doesn’t

meet

the

definition of

used

oil,

and

you

need

manage

that

separately

and

you

need

the

analytical

work.

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may

able

make

determination

that

nonhazardous,

you

may

then

allowed

mix

into

your

used

oil,

but

knowing

what

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it’s

placed

there?

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just

little

bit

confusing.

MR.

LENZ:

Which

part

that

again?

MR.

HARRIS:

think

we’re

MR.

DRGOVICH:

It’s

under

739.110

MR.

HARRIS:

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saying

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pretty

sure

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saying

that

the

mixture

the

water

and

the

used

oil

contains

recoverable

quantity

used

oil.

other

words,

that

the

technology

such

that

you

can

extract

that

oil

and

goes

off

into

management

under

the

used

oil

management

standards.

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turned

into

fuel

re-refined

product.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

under

the

proposed

language,

the

water

that

you

add

into

afterwards

that

you

mix

into

the

used

oil

wouldn’t

have

any

recoverable

oil

it?

MR.

LENZ:

Prior

mixture

you

mean?

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Prior

mixture,

yes.

I’m

just

trying

clarify

what

we’re

trying

MR.

LENZ:

Yeah.

think

we’re

saying

that,

don’t

you,

certain

instances?

mean,

brought

instance

where

they

have

clear

water

stream

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can

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GIRARD:

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you

aren’t

going

out

there

with

you

know,

with

various

kinds

testing

equipment

and

testing

the

water

see

you

have

certain

level

oil.

You’re

doing

visual

test.

that

correct?

MR.

RAY:

Generally,

yes.

MR.

GIRARD:

you

have

sheen

the

water,

you

consider

wastewater mixed

with

oil.

that

correct?

MR.

RAY:

Yes,

can

that.

MR.

GIRARD:

Well,

mean,

could

probably

put

language

that

there

that

effect,

but

don’t

know

you

want

us saying

you

have

do a

visual

test.

MR.

LENZ:

just

use

the

same

language

that’s

Part

739

right

now.

MR.

GIRARD:

The

hang

up seems

how

define

recoverable.

MR.

LENZ:

Yeah.

Well,

it’s

not

very

clear

739

either.

It’s

been

a cloudy

issue

for

long

time.

MR.

HARRIS:

But

let’s

go back

the

basics

here.

You

want

this

wastewater

containing

oil

channeled

the

used

oil

system.

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That’s

exactly

what

you

want. Why?

Because

when

is, it’s

collected

our

members,

handled

the wastewater

treatment

facility,

and

their

job

comply

with

all

the

Clean Water

Act

requirements,

clean up

the water

phase,

and

hold

the

oil

phase.

And

when

they

hold

the oil

phase,

then

that’s channeled

into

making

fuel

re-refined

product.

you want

precisely

what

we’re

doing

now, and

all

we’re

asking for

some relief

from

the paperwork

requirement.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

But

have

question.

mean,

thought

were

talking

about

wastewater

that

had

oil

it.

Why

want

those

two

mix?

MR.

HARRIS:

We’re

only talking

about

water

that

has

recoverable

amount

used oil.

MR.

LENZ:

After

mixture.

MR.

HARRIS:

Aftei

mixture.

MS.

FLOWERS:

But

the

water

did

not

have

any

oil

before

you

mixed

it,

why

MR.

RAY:

Who’s mixing

the

key

thing.

mean,

we’re

not

mixing

it,

and

don’t

want

mix those

two

things

together.

That’s

probably

the

answer

your

question.

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MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

you

would tell

them,

the

generator,

don’t

mix

those

two

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

the

water

might

storm

water

runoff.

might

rain,

okay?

Pure

rain,

and

collects

the

facility,

and

it’s

mixed with

used

oil,

and

now

you

have

water

and

used

oil

mixture.

MR.

RAO:

what

you’re

saying

this

mixture

Section

739.110

Subsection

that

deals with

wastewater,

talks

about wastewater

being

contaminated

with

oil.

whatever

mixing

that

happens

incidental

mixing,

intentional

mixing?

MR.

RAY:

can

being

accidental

intentional.

Let

give

you

example

something

that

significant

fraction

the

business

currently

serve

that

relates

this.

may

helpful

example.

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shops

automotive

and

industry

have

low-grade

wastewater

pretreatment

system,

often

pit

vault.

Sometimes

they’re

called

oil

water

separator,

and

the

purpose

that

the

shop

drains

shop

lead

down

that

pit

before

the

water

flows

out

the

sewer

district.

That

pit

will

often

have

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series of chambers

or leers

baffles,

which

capture at

the bottom sediment,

and

the top

used

oil,

and relatively

clean

water, depending

on the

residence,

it flows

to the middle

down to the

sewer

district.

The purpose

give the sewer

district

clean water

and accumulate

the things

they

don’t

want.

Every

six months

or a

year that

device

needs to

be pumped

out.

When

it’s

pumped

out, it

could have

1 percent

oil, it could

have

percent

oil, depending

whether

they

have

a lot of

spills

the shop and

the

floor, and

how

good their

housekeeping

was.

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could

say

they could,

theory,

be,

you

know,

intentionally

putting oil

there, but

it’s not really

intentional.

It’s

system designed

capture

oil.

And

when

we pump

out, we’re

inevitably

going

to purñp

out

the

water

and the

sediment

with the

oil. We have

trucks

do that.

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competitor,,

Safety Clean,

in the

audience

has hundreds

of trucks

that

kind of

work

and

manage it

throughout many

states

under

the

used

oil

regulations

as used

oil,

taking

the

water

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facilities that

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talking

about

here.

MR.

LENZ:

I mean

MR.

RAY:

And

that

will

steer

towards

understanding

whether

it’s

even

allowed

under

the regulations.

If it’s

hazardous

waste

MS.

FLOWERS:

Well,

mean

let’s

just

say

that

nonhazardous

special

waste.

I mean,

what

you’re

saying

that

well,

mean,

what

youTre

saying

well,

we might

well

just

have

any

special

waste

just

make

sure

that

actually

goes

somewhere.

MR.

LENZ:

Well,

a lot

MS. FLOWERS:

I mean,

that

mean,

you

know

MR.

LENZ:

A lot

nonhazardous

special

wastewater

goes

POTWs,

and

POTW5

don’t

necessarily

that.

They

would

rather

not

have

that

material.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

the

example

from

Safety Clean,

was

talking

about

pumping

out

basically an

oil

water

separator,

and

you’re

not

collecting the

oil

separate

from

the

wastewater,

you’re

collecting

all together?

MR.

RAY:

Well,

haven’t

worked

with

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just

speak

for

our

company doing

the

same

type

of business.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

MR.

RAY:

And

when

that

and

have

those

types

fleet

vehicles,

we would

pump

everything

out

that

separator

device

one

truck

one

compartment.

There’s not

way

that

we’re aware

that

practical

and

efficient

separate

that

into

different

components

and

phases

part

the

surface. Things

just

get

mixed

while

you’re

pumping

out

oil

water

device.

MR.

LENZ:

Yeah.

relatively

small

pump pumps

them

out

really

fast,

and

you’re

it’s

all

coming

out

together.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

these

have

discharge

the

sewer?

MR.

RAY:

The

ones

that

was

describing

typically

do.

There

are

rare

examples

where

they

don’t,

but

they

almost always

discharge

a sewer

district.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

And

you

feel

that

this

isn’t

within

the

definition

you

know,

within

the

definition

used

oil,

think

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federal

guidance

that

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that if

you

will

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see

that

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that

MR. LENZ:

I’m

not

sure.

can

look

into

that.

don’t

remember

that’s

believe

remember

something

that

mentioned

the

preambles

the

used oil

regs

one

point

another,

but

would

take

some work

find

it,

which

can

try

do.

MR.

RAY:

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not

seeking

have

our generators

get

new

permissions

that

they

don’t

already

have

mix

materials

together,

and I

don’t

think

we’ve

tried

anything.

Maybe

again,

apologize

our

draft

imperfect,

but

we’re

not

trying

get exemptions

for

generators

mixing.

We’re

saying

that

the

materials

that

pick

up, if

they are

the

types

things

that

exist

state law

used

oil,

which

our

judgment

includes

mixtures

oil

and

water

with

recoverable

used oil,

should

able

simplify

the

paperwork

associated

with

that.

MR.

JOHNSON:

And

that’s

exactly

what

you’re

doing

now.

The

rule

proposed

will

have

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effect

whatsoever

that,

whether

it’s

oil

and

water

oil

and

vinegar,

doesnTt

matter.

It’s

going

happen

exactly

happens

now.

The

only

the only

change

going

to be

assuming

that

there’s

some

form

the

rule

proposed is

there

will

be a

change

the

recordkeeping

requirements

for

your

customers,

correct?

MR.

RAY:

That’s

our

expectation,

that’s

our requirement.

MR.

JOHNSON:

change

treatment,

change

in processing,

change

your

collection

technique,

nothing.

Just

the

fact

that

you

now

these

four

specific

categories

you want

exempted from

the

manifesting

requirements,

but

you’re

still

intending

provide

the

exact

same

information

and

more,

want,

just

different document

the

same

document,

rather

than

different

document?

MR.

RAY:

You

understand

perfectly

our

request.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Well,

I mean,

how

about

you

want

these

considered

used

oil?

mean,

our

position

has

been

that

some

these

categories are

still

special

waste

and they

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exemption,

but,

mean,

just

from

reading

the

testimony

that

was

given,

it does

seem

you

would

for

these mixtures

able

processed

used

oil

used

oil

facility

that

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not

have

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permitting.

that

correct.

MR.

HARRIS:

was

MS.

FLOWERS:

Which

different

than

how

would

now.

Those

now

some

those

would

considered

special waste,

and

need

special

waste

facility

permitted

under 807.

MR.

HARRIS:

I think Mr.

Lenz

has

particular

concern

about

that.

From

point

view, we

are

simply

trying

create

exemption

from

the

manifesting

requirements.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

MR.

HARRIS:

think

there

special

little

problem

that

Mike

Lenz

aware

that

can

address.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Well,

our

but

are

you

requesting

that

not?

MR.

HARRIS:

If the

language is

not

clear, I want

make

clear,

and

we’ll work

with

the

Agency

and

with

the

Board

and

anyone

else

that

our

request

for

the

exemption

from

the

manifest

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requirement.

it’s

really

paperwork

relief

that

we’re

asking

for

through

the

consolidation

the

information

that

you

need

the

I think

the

official

term

is shipping

papers.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

MR.

HARRIS:

You

can

call

tracking

documents, shipping

papers,

bill

lading,

but

think

the

official

term

would

shipping

papers

conform

the

DOT

requirements.

MS.

FLOWERS:

But

these

mixtures

would

still

going

to a

special

waste

facility,

and

that

wouldn’t

cause

problem?

MR.

HARRIS:

Let me

see if

Mike

has

concern

about

that,

but

from

point

view,

nothing

would

change

except

the

paperwork.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

there

any

concern

about

that?

MR.

LENZ:

Yeah.

Yes,

there

is,

because

we’re

not

none

the

recyclers

that

I’m

aware

today

are

operating

under

807

permitting.

that

I’m

I believe

I’m correct

that.

And

pick

up,

think,

you

know,

I tried

make

that

issue

what

tried

do in

comments

first

we tried

clarify

what

your

concerns

were,

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and

then

tried

address

the

operational

issues

that

manifesting

and

Part

807

permitting

would

involve

for

were

under

that

scenario.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Right.

MR.

LENZ:

think

made

myself

pretty

clear

those

that

testimony

about

the

issues

and

the

problems

that

would

cause.

donTt

know

whether

want

over

that

again.

MS.

FLOWERS:

But

you

are

mean,

understand

that

you

already

said

that

would

hardship,

but

are

you

requesting

that

these

things

that

these

mixtures

then

also

exempt

from

special

waste

designation

and

able

MR.

LENZ:

guess

that

was

presumption.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

MR.

LENZ:

Because

MS.

FLOWERS:

Presumption

that

they

out

the

manifesting,

then

they

also

allowed

going

used

oil

facility

for

processing?

MR.

LENZ:

Mm-

hmm.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

then

okay.

then

because

still

have

this

ink

issue.

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still don’t

see

how

the

ink

would

able

go,

then,

a special

used

oil

processing

facility,

unless

you’re

saying

that

this

BTU

value

and

this

minimis

determination

are

before

they’re

mixed.

Because

obviously

any

time

you

mix

with

the

used

oil,

it’s

going

have

BTU

value.

MR.

LENZ:

No.

The

BTU

value,

think, we

were

all

consensus

that that

was

before

mixture

requirement.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

then

that

falls on

the

generator

make

that

test

which

there’s no

standard

test

you are

requiring,

right?

mean

MR.

LENZ:

It’s

very

similar

to,

like,

the

labs

that

ignitability

testing,

the

generator

would

possibly

aware

ignitability

issues.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

MR.

LENZ:

Any

lab

that

does

ignitability

testing

can

BTU

testing.

It’s

relatively

simple

test,

such

ignitability.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Should

put

the

regs then

and

say

MR.

LENZ:

Which

procedure

use?

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happen

know that

toxic,

then

you

list

such.

You

do not

have

through

special

test,

and

there’s

nothing

in the

RCRA

regulations

that

requires

you

to do

that.

MR.

LENZ:

The MSDS

sheets

normally

have

disposal

information

them,

and

what

you

need

determine

-- basically

they’ll

tell

you

whether

it is

or isn’t

a hazardous

waste

upon

disposal,

that

it could

be and

you

need

to do

testing.

That’s

normally

on the

MSDS

sheet.

MS. FLOWERS:

Okay.

what --

mean,

all I’m

getting

-- I mean,

as far

as the

language

goes

that you

do not

want

have

any

sort

standard

test

requirements

for the

generator

have

any

testing

done?

MR. HARRIS:

I’m

suggesting

that

the

MS.

FLOWERS:

They’re

just

going

certify

MR. HARRIS:

that

the

rules

not

need

change

here.

MS. FLOWERS:

Okay.

MR. HARRIS:

The

generator

knowledge,

which

okay

for

the

RCRA

system,

both

for EPA

and

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for

Illinois,

can

still

apply

with

respect

BTU

contact.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

And

percentage-wise,

too,

there’s

test,

it’s

just

you

just

want

the

generator

able

just

certify?

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

think

that

that’s

perfectly

acceptable. And

it’s

not

acceptable,

why is

not

acceptable

for

water/oil

ratio,

but

for

toxicity

corrosivity

ignitability?

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

I think

can

add

that

question,

under

the

RCRA

rules,

you’re

trying

determine

whether

you have

hazardous

waste

not

and

you

donTt

have

enough

knowledge,

or,

for

instance,

maybe

you

think

it’s

borderline,

then

you’re

obligated

to do

test.

Well,

this

instance,

what

happens if

you

think

it’s

borderline

you

couldn’t

have

enough

knowledge?

What

think,

I guess,

the

question

we’re

asking

should

there

some

standardized

test

that

they

should

have

to prove

that

they

met

the

requirements?

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

think

what

the

that’s

fair

question,

and

I think

what

the

RCRA

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rules

in general

say

you can

through

testing

through

generator

knowledge.

obviously

you

cannot

through

generator

knowledge,

then

you

need

through

testing.

The

same

rule

would

apply

here.

you

didn’t

know

I mean,

you

knew

that

your

content

was

than

5,000

BTU5

per

pound,

if you

knew

it because

the

MSDS

sheet

whatever

your

source

information

was,

you

knew

it,

then

that’s

fine.

doesn’t

require

testing.

you don’t

know

and

you want

say

that

it’s

greater

than

5,000

parts

5,000

BTUs

per

pound,

course

you

have

some

testing.

Now

want

say

and

look

at the

ASTM

method

for

BTU

testing?

Sure,

can

that.

But

it’s

not

what

I’m

suggesting

let’s

stick

with

the

basic

RCRA

rules

here.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

guess

that

leads

well,

first

of all,

don’t

think

any

you

here

are

generators,

right?

I mean,

basically

you’re

the

you’re

the

transporters,

processors,

marketers

are

represented?

MR.

LENZ:

Well,

generate

waste.

But

we’re

not

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

There’s

nobody

here

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that

represents

the

types

customers

that

you’re

serving?

MR.

LENZ:

don’t

know.

MR.

RAY:

know

a representative

form

the

Illinois

Manufacturing

Association

was

attempting

here.

don’t

know

that

they

made

the

meeting

though.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

guess

concern

that this

possibly

could

put

extra

obligations

the

generator.

they

want

use

this

exemption,

then

they

are

going

have

figure

out

whether

they

have

5,000

BTUs

their

waste,

where it

wasn’t

issue

before,

and

they’re

going

to have

figure

out

whether

they

got

percent

water

percent

water. I

mean,

because

it’s

proposes

a bright

light

here.

what

how

you

feel

the

generator

decides well,

rather

than

take

all

that

on,

I’m

just

going

use

manifest

because

it’s

simpler

fill

out

manifest

than

deal

with

this

exemption.

Are

your

companies

going

willing

just

accept it

under

manifest, or

will

they

MR.

RAY:

can

speak

that

behalf

company,

which

certainly

would.

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practice?

MR.

RAY:

When

you speak

to me

and

you

talk

about

un-manifested

loads

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Manifest

exempt

loads.

MR.

RAY:

Well,

for

the types

materials

that

we’re

talking

about,

used

oil and

materials

regulated

as used

oil,

to the

best

knowledge

the

car

companies

are managing

all

those

special

waste

manifests

at this

time.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

I guess

question

iS:

Would

you

make

multiple

stops

and

put

the

waste

the

same tank

from

different

manifested

locations

and

potentially

from

un-manifested

manifest

exempt

locations?

MR.

RAY:

Under proposed

future

regulations?

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

under

today’s

current

practices.

MR. RAY:

Well,

just

said,

everything

we’re

picking

is essentially

manifested.

I don’t

know what

the

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Small

quantity.

generator

rays?

MR.

RAY:

Okay.

think

that

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being

manifested.

I’m trying

think

where

need

refer

we’re

manifesting

everything

basically

special

waste

manifests.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

MR.

RAO:

Can

I ask

a followup

question? Under

the proposed

rule,

used oil

defined

and

material

regulated

and

used

oil is

exempt

from

manifested

requirements,

will

that,

you

know,

used

oil

and,

material

regulated

used

oil

no longer

considered

a special

waste?

MR. HARRIS:

That

not

how

conceive

the

-- our

proposal.

Now

remember

we’re

talking

about

two

proposals,

our original

one,

which

dealt

with all

materials

regulated

as used

oil,

and

then our

proposal

that

made

on September

22nd,

which

basically

singled

out

these

four

categories.

But

all

were

trying

to do

-- all

I was

trying

this

proposal

was

to say

that

they no

longer

had

use the

manifest

for

the

shipping

papers,

but

that

same

information would

put

single

document,

which

you

can

call

either

shipping

document

tracking

document,

shipping

papers,

tracking

document,

bill of

lading.

MR.

RAO:

But if

that

is special

waste

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being mixed,

that

designation

will

still

remain?

MR.

HARRIS:

That’s

why

the

back

our

see

the

additional

special

waste

information?

MR.

LENZ:

Well,

it’s

used

oil

used

oil

itself

without

any

mixture

special

waste,

isn’t

it?

yeah,

the

mixtures

would

still

special waste

also.

MR.

RAO:

Okay.

MR.

LENZ:

Because

you’d

mixing

used

oil

with

nothing

else,

even

was

unregulated

water.

MR.

RAO:

there’s

any

other

requirements

that

apply

special

waste

handling

disposal of

everything

still

applies?

MR.

HARRIS:

That’s

understanding,

yes.

MR.

RAO:

Okay.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

yOu

know

any

regulatory

prohibition

requirement

that

wouldn’t

allow

you

mix

two

manifested

shipments

together,

both

them

together?

MR.

LENZ:

think

the

materials are

the

same

thing,

there’s no

prohibition.

if you

get

used

oil

over

here,

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concerns

about

our

rule,

you

basically

said

under

Section

809

you

wouldn’t

have

under

our

original

proposals

you

wouldn’t

have

sufficient

information.

this

document,

one

which

would

to the

receiving

facilities,

you

have

the

receiving

facility,

and

you’d

have

the

name

and

signature of

the

person

accepting

delivery

the

receiving facility.

And

those

documents

would

kept

the generator,

the

transporter,

and

the

receiving facility.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

it’s

just

mean,

didn’t

see

any

language

that

said

that

the

receiving facility

does

need

keep

a copy

and

all

that

did for

the

transporter and

generator.

And

I’m

just

MR.

HARRIS:

I’m

happy

MS.

FLOWERS:

You’d

have

change

that

MR.

HARRIS:

you’d

been

willing

work

with

before,

could’ve,

you know,

crossed

all

these

and

dotted

all

the

Is,

and

you’re

willing

work

with

now,

can

make

sure

that

all

those

concerns

that

you

have

will

taken

care

of.

Our

interest

very

simple.

Let’s

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consolidate

the

paperwork

so that

it’s

simple

and

little less

expensive,

and

you

want

sure

that

the

receiving

facility

gets

copy,

will

make

sure

that

occurs.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

I mean,

I’m

just

asking.

I need

ask,

because

don’t

know

was

intentional

unintentional

that

you

included

that

didn’t

include

it.

MR.

HARRIS:

We’re

not

trying

create any

loopholes.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

And

mean,

don’t know

what

you

mean

you

would’ve

worked

with

us,

and

did

work

with

you

for

a long

period

time.

I think

this

round

language

completely

different

than

anything

I’ve

ever

seen.

So,

mean, I

think

just

keeps

evolving

what

we’re

asking

for

here,

and

think

we’re

just

were

triing

communicate,

think

it’s

been

very

big

miscommunication

because I’ve

never

I’ve never

been

presented

with

this

language.

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

don’t

want to take

the

Board’s

time

this,

but

when

Claire

Manning

was

representing

us,

there

were

many,

many

attempts

sit

down

and

talk

with

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the

Agency

MS.

FLOWERS:

And

did.

MR.

HARRIS:

over

every

possible

compromise

that

might

find

acceptability

with

the

Agency,

and

our

proposal

not

it’s

always

been

the

same

goal

here.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Right,

but

this

different.

MR.

LENZ:

Well,

the

Board

actually

we’re

actually

answering

the

Board,

their

ruling, asked

for

Part

739

language.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Right.

And

the

other

thing is

and

this

would

back

this

not

the

language

that

was

proposed,

but

it is

going

back

those

four

categories.

I think

it’s

Page

Mr.

Harris’s

testimony.

And

then

17.

MR.

LENZ:

Page

MS.

FLOWERS:

you

down,

there’s

four

there,

and

you

down

the

third one,

just

noticed

that

says

“mixtures

used

oils

and

fuels,

normal

components

fuels

other

fuel

products,”

and

that’s

expansion

the

language

that

was

739

and

that

RCRA

uses.

other

words,

this

normal

components

fuels

was

inserted

into

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that

language,

and,

mean,

that

does

expand

what

you

know,

the

meaning,

and

I’m

wondering

that’s

intentional,

that’s

just a

misstatement

the

language

and

whether

you

intend

include

that

language.

MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

drafted

this,

and

the

concept I

wanted

advance

here

was

that

itTs

fuel

normal

component

fuel,

such

as,

say,

xylene.

I mean,

xylene

got

into

the

used oil,

that

weren’t

going

get

into

“gotcha”

situation.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

MR.

HARRIS:

There’s

attempt

here

create

loophole.

There’s

attempt

create

loophole.

We’re

simply

saying

this

normally

manifest,

this

information

then

provided

the

shipping

papers.

But

xylene

for

example,

don’t

want

have

any

argument

that

xylene,

which

normal

component

fuel,

appears

used

oil,

that

that’s

“gotcha”

situation

where

“Well,

isn’t

wasn’t

MS.

FLOWERS:

fuel

product.

MR.

HARRIS:

You

know,

wasn’t

fuel

product.

Well,

but

itTs

normally

used

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fuel.

You know,

we didn’t

want to

get

into that

back and forth,

which

very, you

know,

absurd

argument,

frankly.

So that’s why

if the

language is

somewhat

expanded, it’s

so there’s

total clarity

it.

MR.

LENZ:

can

add

something

there. For

some

stupid reason,

I remember

that in

the preamble

used oil regs

what they were

dealing

with is when

used

oil companies

would come and

suck

out

waste,

but surplus

product

pipeline

facilities,

oftentimes

they’ll

ship

things

that

are

components of

fuels

a facility

that’s

making

fuel,

and

they

may have

some

xylene or

something

like that

a pipeline

that

the

waste oil

company

would come

in there and

pipe that

out,

and in

the

preamble

the

used

oil

regs

-- I don’t

know if

was

‘85

‘92

-- they

used pretty

much

that

exact

wording.

They parted

down

in the actual

regulation,

but

in the

preamble

they made

clear

that

that’s

what

they

were after

was fuel

and other fuel

products and

components

of fuel

if that

type

instance.

MR. HARRIS:

I can

give

you

good

example

of that.

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gas condensate,

which

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we’re

trying

to do

is allow

for

this

same

information

placed

shipping

paper

bill

lading,

opposed

the

manifest.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

Would

you

have

any

concerns

about

going

back

the

original

language

fuel

products,

then?

MR.

HARRIS:

Well.

I happen

the

Board

desires

there,

then

that’s

fine.

think

that

the

language

that

have

the

current

language,

Mr.

Lenz

pointed

out,

are

mixtures

used

oil

and

fuels

other

fuel

products.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Right.

MR.

HARRIS:

And

that

were

the

language

that

the

Board

prefers,

it.

But

added

the

normal

components

fuels

mostly

because

of my

experience

with

natural

gas

condensate

and

xylene

being

better

clarification.

Perhaps

you

could

say

there’s

difference

whatsoever.

there’s

difference,

then

let’s

not

worry

about

it.

there

difference, I think

itTs

worthy

a discussion,

because

think

natural

gas

condensate,

which

would

be a

normal

component

fuel,

ought

included.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Well,

think

the

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language that

you

proposed

could

include

spent

xylene

solvents,

which,

mean,

may

not

belong

the

used

oil.

depends

whether

the

used

oil

still

exhibits

a characteristic,

right?

mean,

you

have

look

from

that

standpoint

opposed

whether

it’s

normal

component

fuel

that

case.

MR.

LENZ:

wouldn’t

consider

spent

xylene

was

for

solvent

purposes

something

that

fall

under

that

used

oil.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

I’m

just

stating

that

think

the

language

loose

enough

to allow

that.

MR.

HARRIS:

Okay.

see

your

concern,

and

agree

with

it,

and

I agree

with

Mr.

Lenz.

mean,

we’ve

this

not

attempt

create

loophole

where

spent solvent

gets

into

the

used

oil

a result

of this

provision.

But

were

non-spent

xylene

natural

gas

condensate,

‘9

think

ought

included.

I’m

happy

work

with

you

this

language.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Gee.

That

was

question.

mean,

what

you

envision

that

would

do,

sit

down

hammer

out

this

language

again?

I mean,

that

your

intention?

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MR.

HARRIS:

Well,

think

can

submit

revised

version.

It’s

not

going

drastically

revised,

because

think

we’ve

got

pretty

much

right,

but

always

happy

have

the

Agency

support

when

we’ve

been

asking

for

joint

proposal

for

quite

some

time.

you’re

now

willing

sit

down

and

work

out

precise

language

that

would

jointly

submit

the

Board,

I’d

glad

it.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

MS.

MOORE:

you

think

that

possible?

MS.

FLOWERS:

don’t

know.

MS.

MOORE:

mean,

they’ve

stated

what

their

intent

is.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Right.

MS.

MOORE:

And

you

have

many

questions.

you

think

might

possible

sit

down

with

them

and

MS.

FLOWERS:

You

know,

I’m

not

MS.

MOORE:

Otherwise

doing

the

record

mean,

can

continue

doing

that

also.

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MS.

FLOWERS:

Right.

mean,

I’m

just

not

sure

that

are

board

with

everything

they

say.

just

don’t

know

whether

actually

can

agree

language

not.

MS.

MOORE:

Okay.

MS.

FLOWERS:

And

would

just

have

review

where

are

based

upon

what

was

said.

mean, if

we’re

all

agreement,

don’t

see

why

not,

but

just

still

seem

think

that there

some

point

that

we’re

not

agreement

and

that

prevents

from

actually

coming

with

language

that we

both

agree on.

This

has

been the

problem

all

along,

think.

MS.

MOORE:

does

seem

me,

though,

though

we’re

getting

closer

here.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Yeah.

MS.

MOORE:

Does

seem

that way

you

all?

MS.

FLOWERS:

hope.

think

we’ve

always

hoped

that,

but

always

seemed

always

seemed

that

since we

were not

talking

about the

same

thing

actually

had

differencing

opinion

just something

that

prevented

from

both

being

comfortable

with

certain

language.

But

certainly,

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that

would

what

were

going

to address in our

post-hearing

comments,

whether

not

how

are

happy

with

this

language, or how

could

change,

whether

it would

work

for

us,

that

sort

stuff.

MR.

HARRIS:

From

our

point

of view,

in our

original

proposal,

wanted

the

exemption

from

the

manifest

requirements

for

used

oil,

define

used

oil

and

the

materials

regulate

used

oil.

Based

your

May

1st

order,

took

you

on your

suggestion

that

come

with

additional

language.

That’s

exactly

what

did.

If IEPA

wants

work

with

us on

that,

that’s

fine.

But previously,

their

position

no way.

we’re

happy

either

working

with

them

proposing

new

language

that

based

your

concerns and

comments

and

refinements

that

always

can

made

regulatory

language.

MS.

FLOWERS:

I don’t

know.

don’t

know

whether

are

agreement

of things

that

are

going

to be

exempt

from

special

waste

designations.

MS.

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Then

you

best

ask

your

questions,

and we

can

ahead

and

get

those

the

record

that

can

then

from

there. The

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purpose

the

meeting

the

purpose

all

these

hearings

to get

a good

record

able

make

decision.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Well,

I mean,

think

we’re

done

with

the

questions

for

Mr.

Harris.

MR.

FOX:

You

think

you’re

done,

that

the

end

the

questions

that

you

have

for

him?

can

certainly

let

you

look

that

over

for

a second

two

you

need

to.

MS.

FLOWERS:

think I’m

done.

Are

you

done?

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Let

make

sure

we’ve

got

everything

covered.

Yes.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

We’re

done

with

Mr.

Harris,

yeah.

MR.

FOX:

Very

good.

Thanks very

much. Mr.

Harris, I

have

one

question

for

you,

kind

drafting

issue,

you

would.

Most

typically,

and

think

virtually

every

case,

the

Board

uses

board

notes in

the

regulations

for

non-substantive

reasons,

show

the

federal

regulation

that

state

regulation

was

derived

from,

provide

cross

reference

companion

regulation

that

may

not

applicable,

but

send

signal

that

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Yes.

you

the

Board

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care

to give

direction

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redraft,

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explicitly.

Our

purpose

to do

the

right

thing

terms

the

drafting.

thought

that

following

the

existing

format

was

the

best

approach,

but

happy

either

way.

MR.

FOX:

And

I think

the

Board’s

comfort

would

be with

amendment

the

substantive

regulations

themselves

opposed

the

MR.

HARRIS:

Fair

enough.

That’s

fine.

MR.

FOX:

Thanks

very

much.

Was

there

any

other

question

on the

part

Board

member

Moore

or the

Board

staff,

the

Agency

at another

chance

a question

for

Mr.

Harris?

Mr.

Harris,

you

had

also

pre-filed

testimony

behalf

Mr.

Lenz,

and

Mr.

Ray

had

been

testifying

well.

Would

your

preference

this

point

turn

Mr.

Lenz

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the

proceeding?

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

And

then

if Mr.

Ray

wants

add

anything,

and

then

have

several

other

people

who

have

also

filed

comments,

but

we’re

not

trying

drag

I mean,

I think

various

points

have

been

made,

but

think

number

our

members

would

say

few

words

about

the

proposal.

MR.

FOX:

And

can

reach

decisions

with

you

whether

those

would

sworn

testimony

with

followup

questions,

whether

they

would

wish

make

simply

public

comment that

would

not

sworn.

MR.

HARRIS:

Okay.

MR.

FOX:

And

some

them

have

pre—filed,

have

already

filed

written comments

and

would

rest

those,

that’s

certainly

option

that

they

could

MR.

HARRIS:

Very

good.

Let

turn

Mr.

Lenz,

and

then

Mr.

Ray

wants

add

anymore.

MR.

FOX:

Mr.

Lenz,

know

I recall

that

you’ve

been

sworn

and

that

you’ve

been

responding

questions

well.

said

the

beginning,

youd

offer

any

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through

and you

could

provide

an answer.

MR. LENZ:

I’ll

answer

what

I can

those,

but

I’m

not

prepared

answer

them all.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

MR.

LENZ:

didn’t

know

about

them

until

Monday

afternoon.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

And

you

could

-- could

you

just

least

answer

them

maybe

post-hearing

comments

something

that?

MR. HARRIS:

Well,

why

don’t

you --

why don’t

you

ask

the

questions

that you

want,

and

hell do

the

best he

can

right

now.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

MR.

FOX:

And

we can

deal

with

post-hearing

comments

question-by-question

basis.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Right.

Okay.

What

what

company

you

work

for, and

how

are

they

involved

the

management

used oil?

MR.

LENZ:

Future

Environmental

Incorporated,

and

they

are

used oil

collector,

transporter,

and

marketer.

They

have

facilities

both in

Illinois

and

out

of Illinois.

MR. DRAGOVICH:

They’re

not

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processor,

though?

MR.

LENZ:

No.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

And

how

much

used

oil

you

collect

per year?

MR.

LENZ:

That

don’t

know.

MS.

FLOWERS:

How many

used

oil

generators

do you

collect

from?

MR.

LENZ:

Illinois,

or all

the

areas

cover?

Really,

I guess

it --

MS. FLOWERS:

total,

I guess.

MR.

LENZ:

guess

it doesn’t

matter,

because

don’t

know

that

question

either.

mean,

it’s

the

thousands,

but

other

than

that

don’t

know.

MS. FLOWERS:

Okay.

And

regarding

used

oil generators,

can

you

list other

information

that

your

facility

keeps

record,

and

had

examples

the name,

the address,

number.

MR.

LENZ:

Well,

name

and

address

definitely.

The

numbers,

both

U.S.

and

Illinois,

I’m

little

iffy

on.

believe

-- I don’t

remember

off

the top

Of my

head

what’s

required

for

used

oil

generation.

I don’t

think

the

U.S.

number

-- if

they have

Illinois

generator

number,

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things,

and then

whenever

you

do tank

cleaning,

and

even in

the --

even

in the

-- in

the

process

normal

operations,

you’re

doing

some

screening

when

you

load

and

unload

the

oil

for

protection

and

things

of that

nature,

so you’re

generating

also

generate

certain

amount

sludge,

oily

sludge,

and

that’s

sent

off

site

-- I’m

not

sure

exactly

how

Futra

(phonetic)

is handling

that

material,

but typically

it’s

either

solidified

and

land

filled,

or it’s

used as

a BTU

valuable

slurry

fuel

component

at,

let’s

say,

a cement

kiln

that’s

permitted

handle

and

burn

that

type

of stuff.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

you

I mean,

you

weren’t

able

come

with

any

numbers,

but do

you

got

any

feel

for what

percentage

what

comes

in,

goes

out

waste?

few

percent,

ten

percent,

or 50

percent?

MR.

LENZ:

Would

you.

That’s

-- I

mean,

I could

get those

numbers.

think

they’re

available

the

database,

but they’re

not something

normally

really

look

at.

But

if I had

make

guess

-- and

this

is purely

a guess

-- I would

say

we’re

probably

looking

at maybe

90 percent

it being

used

oil,

and

the

other

percent

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transporter,

processor,

marketer,

and what

are

the basic

steps

used

your

company

handle

the

oil?”

MR.

LENZ:

Yeah.

think

I’ve

pretty

much

answered

that,

unless

you have

questions

onit.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Did

-- the

steps

that

you

handled,

sounds

you’re

doing

oil

water

separation

and some

basic

filtering.

that --

MR.

LENZ:

Yeah.

mean,

that’s

required

from

the

get-go.

You

have

filtration

protect

your

pumping

equipment,

otherwise

youTll

ruin your

pumping

equipment,

and

that’s

when it

comes

from

the

-- every

step,

goes

through

filter

before

goes into

the

pump.

The

pumps

aren’t

made

to handle

material

that

isn’t

that --

you

have

get

down

to a

certain

size for

able

through

the pump.

And

if you

want

take

that

to an

extreme,

you

have

get

it down

certain

size

to get

it to

go through

the

hose

before

that.

And also

there’s

water

separation

that

goes

at every

level.

You

get

water

separation

the generator

level,

you’ll

get water

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separation

during

transport,

you’ll

get

water

separation

35-day

transfer

facilities.

And

obviously

when

that

happens,

we’ll

comingle

that

water

and

handle

oily

water

used

oil

and

water,

and

that’ll

different

facility

than

where

may

the

oil

that’s

settled

out

the

oil

that’s

settled

the

water’s

settled

out

will

a different

facility

than,

say,

out

transfer

facility.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Do you

use

anything

beyond

gravity

separation?

you

heat

the

oil

anything?

MR.

LENZ:

No.

That

would

involve

processing.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

And

then

number

eight

“Where

is the

used

oil

from

your

facility

company

sent?T

MR.

LENZ:

That

mean,

whoever

pays

the

wants

pay

the

most

money

for

it.

Basically

fuel

blenders,

fuel

burners,

refineries.

Really

guess

would

have

one

those

three

that

broad

sense.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Does

are

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and it’s

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going

something

that’s

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hazardous

and

has

got

ETU

value.

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DRAGOVICH:

the

any mixtures

that

in there,

they’re

either

going

you’re

saying

they’re

either

going

fall

out

with

the

water

and

treated

wastewater,

they’re

going

be contained

in the

oil

that’s

burned?

MR.

LENZ:

Yeah,

pretty

much.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

What

about

solids

that

settle

out

and

they

would

that

sludge

portion

that

you

talked

about

earlier?

MR.

LENZ:

Yeah.

don’t

handle

lot

sludge

our

own

facilities,

per

se.

we’re

going

deal

with

something

that

there’s

lot

sludge

involved,

normally

act

just

transporter,

and

it’ll

to a

facility

that’s

designed

handle

that

type

of material.

You

can

only

handle

basically

used

oil

collection

done

normally

with

lightweight

tank

trucks

with

gear

pumps,

and

you

can

only

handle

certain

amount

low

very

low

don’t

know,

1 percent

solids

with

that

type

of equipment,

and

that’s

the

type

equipment

collect

used

oil

with.

You

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get

into

streams

that

have

higher

contaminant

solid

levels

than

that,

you

have

use

vac

trucks,

and

vac

trucks

are

very

heavy.

You

can’t

hall

near

many

gallons

vac

truck

legally.

those are,

kind

of,

kept

over

that specialty

area.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

That

you

said

the

water

portion is

going

wastewater

treatment

facility

from

your

facility.

I’m

assuming

that

impacts

the

value

far

the

customer

the

customer

wants

give

you

something

that’s

mostly

water

they

wouldn’t

have

much

value

you

the

used

oil.

MR.

LENZ:

normally

would

test

and

charge

for

the

water.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

MR.

LENZ:

believe

that’s

how

they

it.

I can’t

think

that’s

how

they

it.

But

yeah,

definitely

impacts

the

value

the

oil.

you

want

look

differently,

charge

for

the

water,

pay

for

the

oil.

But

it’s

mixed,

then

they’re not

going

give

you

much

were

all

oil.

MS.

FLOWERS:

think

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DRAGOVICH:

What

I’m

sorry.

MS.

FLOWERS:

just

think

we’re

getting

the

other

question,

but

ahead.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Oh,

okay.

Well,

was

just

guess

I’m

going

ahead

myself.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Yeah.

think

we’re

just

ahead.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

just

something

was

mainly

water,

guess

how

you

decide

it’s

going

have

recoverable

amounts

oil

for

you?

MR.

LENZ:

Well,

even

wasn’t

for

us,

would

transport

for

the

customer

treatment

facility

that

could

recover

the

oil

out

it.

can

take

the

material

either

way.

there’s

oil

that

can

recover,

we’ll

that.

not,

will

straight

facility

that

can

that.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

And

for

you

recover

it,

would

have

able

separate

out

into

your

facility?

MR.

LENZ:

Mm-hmm.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

Number

was

“What

procedures

are

used

your

company

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determine if contaminants

other

wastes

are

mixed

with

the

used

oil,

and

those

contaminants

impact

the

safety, recyclability

or handling

the

used

oil?”

MR.

ENZ:

Wait.

Which

number

that

again?

MS.

FLOWERS:

Number

10.

MR.

LENZ:

Well,

think

pretty

much

answered

that

already.

lot

of that’s done

with

new

customer when

you’re

profiling

that

customer.

ThatTs

issue

with

industrial customers.

It’s

not

much

an issue

with

automotive

customers,

and

try

determine what

we’re

getting,

even

what

we’re

not

getting, that

they

generate.

And obviously,

far

the

contaminants

that

are

that

may

the

oil,

want

the

oil

to pass

EPA

spec

tests,

and

we want

the

oil

pass

ASTM

spec

tests, or at

least

many

those

components

the

ASTM

tests

can.

The

the

components

the

ASTM

tests

you

pass,

the

money

you

can

get

for

it.

And

it’s

obviously

got

pass

all

the

EPA

specs

worth

much.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Do you

you

have

either

list

things

that

you

tell

them

not

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received

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requested?

MR.

LENZ:

You

know,

that

question

don’t

really

have

answer

that I

feel 100

percent

sure

about.

It’s

that’s

a little

bit

out of

area

expertise

what I

do for

the

company.

know

all

the

used oil

is manifested,

I just

don’t

know

it’s

individually

there’s

still

any

manifesting

going

on.

I don’t

know.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Oh, and

then

13 IS:

Please

identify

any hazardous

solid

waste

permits

site

number

and

permit

number

for

each

your

facilities

that

generate,

transfer,

store

processed

used

oil.

MR.

LENZ:

Well,

I don’t

have

that

information with

me here.

MR.

HARRIS:

Can

I --

MS. FLOWERS:

But

you

have it

solid waste

permit?

MR.

LENZ:

No.

think basically

all

have are

most

of.

our

facilities

are

used

USEPA

ID numbers,

Illinois

EPA

numbers,

and most

them

would

have,

like,

a storm

water

permit

number

probably.

I think

that’s

all

-- that’s

for

transportation

facilities

and

transfer

facilities.

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think

that’s

all

that’s

required.

Again,

I’m

going

oft

memory

here.

MS.

FLOWERS:

We’re

done

with

that

questioning.

MR.

HARRIS:

I can

intervene

here

for

just

second.

We’re

trying

to be

helpful

and

answer

these

questions,

but,

for

example,

were

dealing

with

Safety Clean

the

issue

the

question

about

permits,

mean,

they

have

they

have

huge

number

permits.

It doesn’t really

this

issue

about whether

they

how

many

permits

they

have

for

storm

water

runoff

P02W

discharges

and

forth.

I mean,

have

a very

simple

straightforward

proposal.

We’ll

glad

work

with

the

Agency

the

language

and

the

drafting

and

forth,

but

it sounds

you

want

bunch

discovery

and

interrogatories

our

members,

and,

you

know,

I don’t think

we’re

really

here

for

that.

we’re

trying

helpful,

but

I don’t

want

think

the

Board’s

time

not

usefully

spent

listing

all

the

permits

that

our

members

happen

have.

It’s

all

available

the

Agency

and

the

Board

anyway.

MR.

FOX:

And

I’ve

checked

with

Board

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member

Moore

and

the

Board

staff,

and

don’t

have

any

further

questions

for

Mr.

Lenz.

think,

Ms.

Flowers,

the

Agency

has

concluded

its questions

for

Mr.

Lenz

well?

MS.

FLOWERS:

Right.

MR.

FOX:

And

Mr.

Harris,

you

had

least

one

additional

witness

that

you

wanted

him

sworn

and

testified.

don’t

recall

that

was

Mr.

Ray

continue,

whether

you

had

another

person

mind.

MR.

HARRIS:

I definitely

would

Mr.

Ray

to provide

any

additional

testimony

that

would

provide,

but

then

the

gentlemen

from

Safety

Clean,

I wanted

him

be able

address

the

issue

of the

cost

the

manifest.

MR.

FOX:

And

Ms.

Custer

had

pre-filed

testimony,

but

I think

you

indicated,

she

did

not

wish

to testify

today.

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

MR.

FOX:

And

would

recharacterize

her

pre-filed

testimony

public

comment.

MR.

HARRIS:

That’s

fine,

yes.

MR.

FOX:

Mr.

Ray,

best

recollection

that

you’ve

already

been

sworn

in.

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nonhazardous

waste

program

picking

containers,

drums,

and

other

containers

waste,

and

including

that

program

sometimes

pick

drums

used

oil for

management.

credentials

prior

joining

Heritage

Crystal

Clean,

worked for

Safety

Clean

Corporation

where

managed

their

used

oil

program.

During

the

five

years

that

was

there,

picked

more than

one

billion

gallons

used oil,

and

were

far

the

largest

single

used

oil

collector

North

America.

Prior

that

spent

ten

years

with

Evergreen

Oil

California,

which

was

the

first

modern

used oil

re-refiner,

producing

lubricants

from

used

oil

the

United

States.

And

there

are

questions

you!d

answer

from

your

list,

please

feel

free.

MR.

FOX:

Ms.

Flowers,

please

ahead,

you’d

like.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Yeah.

could

just

down

the

list,

think

that’d

the

quickest.

The

first

MR.

RAY:

have the

list

front

you

want

just read

from

that

and

answer

your

questions.

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MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

MR.

RAY:

Okay.

work for

Heritage

Crystal

Clean,

as I

mentioned.

pick

used oil

with three

distinct

programs,

the

oil

trucks,

the

vacuum

trucks,

and

picking

used oil

drums

other

containers.

My approximate

estimate

is that

combined

from

those

three

different

programs,

probably,

the

U.S.,

pick

about

ten

million

gallons

year

used

oil.

don’t

have

good

count

the

number

used

oil

generators

that

we serve.

know

that

for all

our programs,

which

include

used

oil

well

as other

hazardous

waste

that we

pick

up,

serve

approximately

36,000

individual

customer

locations.

are

not

prepared

disclose

this

time

list

all of

our

customers,

for

both

practical

reasons

and

because

if we

were

providing

that

information

would

first

want

establish

that

was protected

confidential

business

information.

There

are

number

of questions

the list

that

refer

the

term

“facility,”

and

when

first

read

this,

I interpreted

facility

you

use

this to

mean

the

way

that that

term

generally

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used

our

industry,

which

refers

someone

operating

RCRA

permanent

treatment

facility.

I’m

not

sure

that

was

your

intent,

you

meant it

generally

any

site

that

operate in,

but

you’ll

bear

with

me,

think

can

still

answer

most

your

questions.

just

wanted

point

out

that

probably

not,

you

know,

using

facility

the

same

way

you

are,

might

not

be.

The

question

number

four

talks

about

the

information

that

our

facility

keeps.

And

again,

if we’re

talking

generally

about

any

the

sites

locations

that

operate

out

of,

keep

our

used

oil

shipping

papers

that

contain

name,

address,

and

relevant

EPA

numbers,

and

that

sort

information

readily

available

the

Illinois

EPA

upon

request.

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much

waste

send

off

site

from

our

facility, well,

operate

out

individual

branch

locations,

four

centralized

hubs

where

material’s

accumulated,

and

it’s

reshipped

from

those locations

third-party

processors

who

buy

used

oil

from

charge

for

taking

it,

depending

the

quality.

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problem we

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excessive

paperwork.

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the

permits

that

hold,

course

already

mentioned

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got

have

fairly

extensive

list

facilities,

think,

that

we’re

already

file

with

Illinois

EPA

for

our

multiple

branch

locations.

have

transportation

permits,

and

rather

than

trying

list

those,

you

need

that

information,

you let

know

can

provide

additional

information

about

our

permits.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

That

question,

really

went

solid

waste

and

RCRA

permits.

MR.

RAY:

I believe

I don’t

know

it’s

considered

RCRA

permit.

have

transportation

permits

for

RCRA.

don’t

know

about

the

rest

our

permit

status.

I’m

sorry.

canTt

tell

you.

Our

operation

just

too

complex

for

keep

track

all

that,

and

wasn’t

prepared

coming

today

address

that.

MS.

FLOWERS:

That’s

the

last

question.

MR.

FOX:

Any

further

questions,

Ms.

Flowers,

the

part

the

Agency?

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

just

wanted

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clarify.

youTre

a transporter

and

marketer

far

as used

oil,

right?

MR.

RAY:

That

right.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Those

are the

only

okay.

MR.

RAY:

Well,

you

know,

depends

how

you

-- what

categories

-- were

probably

MR.

LENZ:

The

way

you

MR.

RAY:

a short-term

storer

well.

certain

our facilities,

accumulate

and

hold used

oil

for

to 35

days.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

MS. FLOWERS:

That

all

the

questions

have.

MR.

FOX:

Thanks,

Ms.

Flowers.

verify

that

neither

Board

member

Moore

nor the

Board

staff

have

any further

questions

for you,

Mr.

Ray,

and

appreciate

your

time.

the event

that

one

else

has any

questions specifically

posed

Mr. Harris,

appears

that

there

is no

one

who

wishes

to pose

any

those

questions.

could

proceed

-- you

had mentioned

witness

from

Safety

Clean --

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

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MR.

FOX:

that

you

did

wish

have

sworn

provide

testimony

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

MR.

FOX:

and

answer

questions?

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes,

and

his

name

Dan

Appelt,

and

he’s

the

director

of environmental

health

and

safety

data

management,

I think

would

very

useful

the

question

you

can

ask

him

any

questions

you

want,

but

think

his

purpose

to talk

about

the

cost

the

manifest.

MR.

FOX:

Mr.

Appelt,

maybe

would

make

sense

you

wouldn’t

mind

pulling

chair

either behind

between

some

the

other

NORA

representatives.

think

the

court

reporter

would

find

lot

easier

hear

you.

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the

court

reporter

would

swear

you

in,

could

proceed.

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sworn.)

MR.

FOX:

Mr.

Appelt,

you

hadn’t

any

pre-filed

testimony.

you

want

give

brief

summary

before

accepting

questions from

the

Agency

before

the

Board,

please

feel

free

that.

you’re

ready

answer

questions

right

away,

feel

free

to do

that

well.

MR.

APPELT:

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believe Tom

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own

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FLOWERS:

And

can

ask

question

about that?

You

mean

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don’t

want

have

form

attached,

please fill

out

form

appendix

right?

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you

just

want

listed

the-

MR.

APPELT:

Well,

we’d

see

what

the

regulation

state,

and

I believe

NORA

members

feel

the

same

way,

that

we’d

the

regulations

identify

what

data

elements

are

you

looking

for,

and

then

each

company

would

develop

its

own

form

include

that.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

MR.

APPELT:

All

right.

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only

other thing

that,

guess,

I was

going

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on,

were

talking

earlier

about

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number

gallons

per

manifest,

and

for

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Clean, in

the

last

months,

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MR.

APPELT:

Correct.

MR.

FOX:

Ms.

Flowers,

did

you

have

question

you

wish

ask

Mr.

just

jumped

ahead,

Mr.

Appelt.

Did

you

have

any

other

preliminary

summary?

MR.

APPELT:

No.

MR.

FOX:

Terrific.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

Can

through

our

pre-filed

questions

for

MR.

FOX:

Yes.

This

would

good

time

for

that.

MR.

APPELT:

can

answer

some

them.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

Well,

the

first

one

what

company

you

work

for,

and

how

are

they

involved

the

management

used

oil?

MR.

APPELT:

Safety

Clean

Corporation,

and

are

used

oil

transporter,

storer,

processor

marketer.

there

anything

else?

MR.

RAY:

Re-refiner.

MR.

APPELT:

Re-refiner.

MS.

FLOWERS:

And

the

second

question

iS:

How

much

used

oil

you

collect

per

year?

MR.

APPELT:

Well

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MS.

FLOWERS:

Did

you --

MR.

APPELT:

Illinois,

automotive

used

oil

about

million

gallons.

MS. FLOWERS:

And how

many

used oil

generators

you collect

from,

and from

each

these

used

oil

generators

can

you

list

the

quantity

accepted

and

date accepted?

MR. APPELT:

You want

list

that

now?

MR.

HARRIS:

You know,

can

intervene

for

just

second

again.

mean,

you’re

really

MS. FLOWERS:

guess

can

you

that?

Are you

able to?

MR.

APPELT:

have

could

provide

that.

don’t

really

know

why

that

would

necessary,

but

could.

MR.

HARRIS:

Whenever

you

get

into

questions

about

the

identity

the customers

and

how much

they

generate

and

forth,

that’s

confidential

business

information,

and

could you

subpoena

or require

it,

yes, probably.

But

again,

don’t

think

that

terribly

necessary

for

the

Board’s

deliberations.

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MS.

FLOWERS:

mean,

I’m

sure

you

know

what

you’re

talking

about,

but when

hear

that it’s

several

thousands

however

many,

mean,

that

does make

a difference

about

who

you are,

how

big

you

are,

you

know

what

representative

you

are

this industry.

mean,

you

have

ballpark

figure

about

how

many

generators

you’re

collecting

from?

MR.

APPELT:

Not

Illinois

alone,

no.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

Question

number

iS:

Regarding

used

oil

generators,

you have

other information

that

your facility

keeps

record?

MR.

APPELT:

Well,

all

our

facilities

the

branches

least

are

also

RCPA

either

permitted

ten-day,

and

I’m

not

sure

have

any

ten-day

sites

Illinois.

keep

complete

record

of,

you

know,

manifests

bills of

lading,

you

know,

all

the

other

customer-related

records

their

files

indefinitely,

really.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

Number

five

is:

How

much

waste

you send

off

site from

your

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per

year?

MR.

APPELT:

idea.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Number

six

Is:

Where

specifically

the

waste

from

your

facility

sent

and

what

quantity

sent

each

facility?

MR.

APPELT:

waste

you

mean

oil?

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

were

looking

MS.

FLOWERS:

Not

necessarily,

but

ahead.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

What

were

trying

accomplish with

these

questions

was

determine

mean

and

this

was

targeted

used

oil

facilities,

and

understand

that

Safety

Clean’s

market

lot

bigger

than

that,

but

were

trying

figure

out

about

what

percent

the

material

that

comes

used

oil

going

have

go out

waste

another

facility.

MR.

APPELT:

Well,

for

the

Illinois

facilities,

the

branches,

would

say

all

gets

shipped

East

Chicago

where

gets

processed

used

oil

and

converted

into

lube

oil

for

the

most

part.

itall

gets

sent

East

Chicago

from

Illinois.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

You

don’t

have

any

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idea

what

percentage

re-refined

oil

they

get

out

what

they

bring

in,

you?

Is it

percent?

MR.

APPELT:

No,

don’t.

It’s

very

high,

because

the

company’s

making

concerted

effort

send

dry

oil

to Chicago

than

did

historically,

there’s

less

water

going

East

Chicago

because

the

branches

are

picking

less

water

with

the

oil.

the

branches

are

doing

selective

oil

collection

front

the

customer

side

and

not

sucking

out

all

the

water

at the

same

time.

They’ll

send

vac

truck

later

the

customer

wants

that

thing

completely

cleaned

out,

but

try

skim

off

just

the

oil.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

would

assume

the

initial

step

would

water

separation

East

Chicago?

MR.

APPELT:

Probably.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

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FLOWERS:

Question

number

seven

15: What

used

oil

activities

does

your

company

perform,

such

transporter,

processor,

marketer

which

think

you

already

answered

and

what

are

the

basic

steps

used

your

company

handle

the

oil?

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the

case

recently,

but

might

sometimes

have

send it

somewhere

else.

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typically

goes

East

Chicago.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

nine

iS:

you knowingly

used oil

mixed

contaminated

with

other

waste,

and

how

processed?

MR.

APPELT:

would

say

our

again,

our business

model

very

similar

Crystal

Clean’s.

wouldn’t

knowingly

contamination,

other

than,

you know,

water,

some

degree.

PCBs,

again,

typically

don’t

try

and

even

pick

those

containerized

draw

them

waste.

try

avoid

those

kind

contaminants.

But

again,

you

know,

sometimes

happens

where

does

come through,

and

then

the

East Chicago

the

lab

will

identify

that

the

oil

contaminated,

and

then

back

try

determine

which

customer

came

from,

and

then

back

the

customer.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

Number

ten,

“What

procedures

are

used

your

company

determine

the contaminants

other

waste

are

mixed

with

the

used oil

and

those

contaminants

impact

safety,

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recyclability

handling

of used

oil?

MR.

APPELT:

not

familiar

enough

with

the

procedures that

the

sales

reps

have

front,

but

would

say

try

and

screen

the

customer

based

the

type

customer

that

is.

it’s

automotive,

you

typically

not

going

get anything in

the

used

oil

that’s

contaminated

that

wouldn’t

normally

expect

used

oil.

Industrial

customers,

I mentioned,

we would

profile.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

how

does

the

presence

contaminants

other

constituents

the

used

oil

affect

the

price

you

pay

charge

the

generator for

used

oil?

MR.

APPELT:

Well,

just

everybody

else,

the

water,

the

less

the

customer

gets

paid

for

their

used

oil,

and then

depending

where

we’re

sending

the

oil

again, if

itTs

going

East

Chicago,

you

know,

they

want

cleaner oil

that

facility,

or dryer,

I should

say.

Otherwise

you

have

ship

the

oil

some

other

third

party,

you

get

less

for

you

know,

with

water

the

oil,

and

if it’s

truly

contaminated

with

something

hazardous,

then

you

have

pay

dispose

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ofit.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

number

12,

“Do

you

ship,

transport,

receive

used

oil

under

manifest,

and

so,

you

require

manifest

from

each

generator,

and

could

you

provide

the

Illinois

EPA

copies

the

manifest

for

last

year

for

used

oil

generated,

transported,

received

your

facility

requested?”

MR.

APPELT:

Yeah,

manifest

every

shipment.

And

again,

providing

the

state

copy

the

manifest

would

possible.

you

want

30,000

copies,

can

have

the

branches

dig

them

out.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

You

indicated

each

shipment,

but

the

question

was

each

generator.

you

know

it’s

generator?

MR.

APPELT:

generator,

don’t

truck

data

anymore.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

And

then

please

identify

hazardous

solid

waste

permits

that

you

have.

MR.

APPELT:

We’ve

got

lots.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

They’ve

got

five

facilities

Illinois

that

know

of.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

Just

Illinois?

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Imean-

MR.

APPELT:

don’t

have

them.

could

be provided.

MS.

FLOWERS:

I mean,

how

many

facilities

permanent

facilities

you

have?

MR.

APPELT:

Hold

on.

I guess

-- is

five?

don’t

know

for

sure.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

think

so.

Caseyville, Urbana,

Chicago,

Dolton.

MR.

APPELT:

don’t

have

Chicago

anymore.

Elgin.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Elgin.

That’s

it.

MR.

APPELT:

Didn’t

close Pekin?

MR. DRAGOVICH:

Yeah.

Yes,

you

closed

Pekin.

MR.

FOX:

Ms.

Flowers,

any

additional

questions

for

Mr. Appelt?

MS.

FLOWERS:

Yes.

ahead.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Considering

the

exemption

that

was

in the

first

notice

the

current

exemptions

that

are

out

there

now,

really

materials

that

wouldn’t

be exempt

from

manifesting

would

be large

quantity

mixtures

of used

oil.

you

have

any

idea

what

percentage

of your

market

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that?

How

much

that

going

impact

you?

MR.

APPELT:

Well,

said,

the

last

months,

all

the

manifest

for

all

the

customers

picked

waste

from,

did

30,000

automotive

manifests,

industrial

were

only

2,700.

would

think

that

30,000

our

customers

would

longer

require

manifests.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

it’s

the

2,700

industrial

customers

that

it’s

basically

the

air?

MR.

APPELT:

would

guess

they

might

still

manifested.

I’m

not

sure

some

that

might

hazardous

used

oil,

and

some

just

might

nonhazardous.

MR.

DRAGOVICH:

Okay.

That’s

all

I’ve

got.

MS.

FLOWERS:

That’s

all

have.

MR.

FOX:

All

set.

know

I’ve

spoken

with

Board

Member

Moore

and

Mr.

Rao,

and

the

Board

staff

doesn’t

have

any

questions

for

you,

Mr.

Appelt.

have

one

question

for

you,

however.

generally

hearing

Ms.

Flowers

and

Mr.

Harris

talk

about

post

hearing

comments.

If,

Mr.

Harris,

you’re

planning,

expect

you

are,

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now

those

30,000

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already

would

already

longer

included,

they

would

included

what

already

exempt

manifested.

MR.

APPELT:

That’s

not

how

meant

it.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Oh.

MR.

APPELT:

don’t

know

how

many

those

would

exempted

under

the

current

proposal.

I’m

not

sure.

MR.

FOX:

And

current

proposal,

you

mean

the

Board’s

first

noticed

proposal

issued

back

May?

MR.

APPELT:

Yes.

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MR.

FOX:

Okay.

MR.

APPELT:

I’m

not

I’ve

been

out

this

loop

for

about

two

years,

I’m

not

even

familiar

with

what

that

proposal

is.

MR.

FOX:

But

attempt

clarify,

the

NORA

proposal

that

we’ve

been

discussing

today

was

adopted,

then

your

stipulation

that

those

30,000

automotive

manifests

would

virtually

all

disappear,

fact?

MR.

APPELT:

Correct.

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MR.

HARRIS:

we’re

-- NORA

underscoring,

you

know,

your

proposal

the

first

notice,

but

for

simplicity

and for

ease

of the

management,

data management,

course

we’re

proposing

what

proposed

response

your

May

1st

opinion

and

order.

just want

emphasize

that we’re

talking

about

quite

a number

manifests,

the

used

oil

being

the

bulk

of them,

but

for those

companies

that handle

used oil

and

water

mixtures,

it’s

very

important

component

their

operations.

MR.

FOX:

Ms.

Flowers,

did

the

Agency

have any

further

questions

based

our

most

recent

exchanges?

MS.

FLOWERS:

No.

MR.

FOX:

I’m sure

that

the

Board

doesn’t

either.

Mr.

Appelt,

thank

you

for

your

time

and

your

testimony.

Mr.

Harris,

recollection

that

you

-- this

reaches

the

end

of the

witnesses

you

wish

have

sworn

MR. HARRIS:

That is

correct.

MR.

FOX:

-- and

offering

testimony

answering the

Agency’s

questions.

Is that

correct?

MR.

HARRIS:

That

correct.

And

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numbers --

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

MR. FOX:

-- so

that they

can

referred

rery

easily.

If that

helps avoid

anyone

repeating comments

that

are already

the

Board’s

record --

MR. HARRIS:

You bet.

MR. FOX:

-- I wanted to

highlight

that

for

you.

MR.

HARRIS:

You bet.

And we’re

not

trying

to repeat

the

comments,

but

we are trying

answer the

Board’s

questions.

I’ll let

individual

NORA members

anyone

else

who

wants

offer their public

comment.

And

the purpose

is,

again,

not

repeat

what has

already been

submitted,

but

simply

answer

your questions.

MR. FOX:

So noted.

And we’ve

established

that

NORA

is complete

with

their

testimony,

that

the

Agency

doesn’t

have

any

witness.

And just in

terms of planning

and

timing,

Mr. Harris,

you have

number or an estimate

number

of’ fOlks

who would

to offer

a comment?

MR.

HARRIS:

We could

probably

get

raise

hands,

which would

accurate.

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MR.

FOX:

And

I’ll

simply

throw

that

question

open.

any

you

would

offer

comment,

and

this

is,

again,

strictly

that

could

manage

the

timing,

would

you

please

raise

your

hand

that

can

know

precisely

how

much

time

would

need

for

all

you

who

wish

provide

comment?

looks

have

one

person,

and

recall

that

your

name

Ms.

McCord.

that

correct?

MS.

MCCORD:

is.

Thank

you.

MR.

FOX:

Why

don’t

have

you

do,

just

as Mr.

Appelt

did,

come

the

table

where

the

court

reporter,

think, will

have

easier

time

seeing

and

hearing

you.

And

you

have

any

comments

that

you

would

make

this

proceeding

the

proposal

that

NORA

has

offered,

please

feel

free

that.

MS.

MCCORD:

And

pre-submitted

comments

behalf

the

company

prior

today’s

hearing.

MR.

FOX:

Very

good.

And

for

the

court

reporter’s

benefit,

would

you

please

give

her

your

full

name

and

spellings

any

last

names

simplify

that?

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MS.

MCCORD:

Katherine

Anne

McCord,

M-c-C-o-r-d.

Mr.

Fox?

MR.

FOX:

Yes,

ma’am.

MS.

MCCORD:

The

comments

have

today

really

just

summarized

the

written

comments

I’ve

already

submitted

behalf

Crystal

Clean.

But

thought

it might

helpful

put

together

bullet

points

Power

Point

handout.

Would

that

helpful

give

that

the

members

the

Board,

should

speak

it verbally?

MR.

FOX:

would

suggest

the

format

comments

that

you

simply

speak

very

candidly.

MS.

MCCORD:

Okay.

Okay

then.

guess

the

main

theme

I’d

to,

sort

of,

talk

you

today

was

that

this

has

been

multiple-year

process

for

us.

You

know,

and

many

companies,

you

know,

we’re

competitors

here,

but

came

together

because this

important

issue

for

us.

The

don’t

believe

that

what

we’re

asking

the

Board

risky

decision.

something

that

has

been

tested

most

the

states

our

country.

many

that

deal

with

other

states

and

have

businesses

elsewhere,

and

have

operations

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were

out

there

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the

feds

providing

that,

you

know,

drive

back

in 1980.

think

this

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still

with

pieces

the

special

waste

rules,

and

what

has

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authorization

the

state

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RCRA

here.

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disconnect,

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I want

to assure

you

that

you’re

not

taking

risk

from

environmental

protection

perspective in

evaluating,

fairly,

our

proposal.

something

will

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with

everywhere

else.

anything,

have

trouble

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often

come

into

Illinois

from

out

state

and

then

leave,

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whoTs

allowed

sign

off

that

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know,

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what

really

happens

that

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when

leaves

the

state

that

acts

DOT

bill

lading,

and

you

don’t

have

permitted

facility

sign

off

it.

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that’s

very

confusing when

people

are

trying

their

annual

‘eports

their

home

states,

their

office,

DOT

officer

Indiana

that

didn’t

know

why

load

from

Illinois

is manifested.

spend

energy

in explaining

people

why

there

this

disconnect

with

our

services

in Illinois.

that’s

I’m

thank

you

for

the

opportunity

talk

o you.

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MR.

FOX:

Thank

you,

Ms.

McCord.

have, I

believe,

all

the

comments,

the

public

comments

that

have

been

filed

with

the

Board

approximately

the

last

two

three

weeks.

not

have

one

paper

file

that

was

filed

you,

and

you

placed

that

the

mail

very

recently,

may

arriving

today in

our

clerk’s

office,

but

only

alert

that

you

alert

you

that

after

the

conclusion

the

hearing

can

through

with any

procedural

steps

that would

put

that

MS.

MCCORD:

I’ll

have

talk

with

Mr.

Harris,

but

also

have

copy

with

today.

believe

that

was

submitted

our

behalf,

but

I’ll

have

check.

MR.

FOX:

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I’ll

readily

admit

that

I could

mistaken.

MS.

MCCORD:

Okay.

MR.

FOX:

But

didn’t

have

with

me,

but

rest

assured

the

comment

you’ve

offered

today, of

course,

has

been

transcribed

the

court

reporter.

MS.

MCCORD:

Okay.

Thank

you

very

much.

MR.

FOX:

Thank

you

for

your

comment,

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MR.

HARRIS:

And

can

submit

this

whatever

the

comment

was,

it’s

missing,

and

may

not

missing,

but

was

inadvertent

that

it’s

missing

missing.

MR.

FOX:

Just

submitted

hearing

exhibit?

MR.

HARRIS:

Yes.

MR.

FOX:

Certainly.

That

would

duplicate

what’s

the

transcript,

but

you

have

multiple

copies,

Ms.

McCord

MS.

MCCORD:

have

one

copy

that

letter,

our

letter

with

me.

can

get

copies

made

you

need

it.

MR.

FOX:

Actually,

perhaps

you’ve

got

two

copies,

you

could

show

one

the

Agency,

simply

that

they

could

have

the

opportunity

review

before

it’s

admitted

exhibit.

MS.

MCCORD:

have

one

copy,

can

you

right

now,

give

you

the

one

copy.

MR.

FOX:

MR.

RAY:

Can

get

copy

made

right

now?

MS.

MCCORD:

there

place

nearby

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here

that

could

run

down

the

hail

and

get

copy

made?

MR.

FOX:

The

alternative,

Ms.

McCord,

there

our

clerk’s

office

upstairs

and

you

can

simply

file

person

there.

MS.

MOORE:

And

give

the

clerk

and

then

it’ll

right

online.

MS.

MCCORJD:

I’ll

that.

MR.

FOX:

Mr.

Harris,

you

have

think

you

had

indicated

that

Ms.

McCord

was

the

only

person

that

wished

offer

MR.

HARRIS:

Unless

there’s

anyone

else

the

think

Mr.

Kennedy.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Can

ask

question?

MS.

MCCORJD:

Of?

MR.

FOX:

Ms.

McCord

merely

offered

public

comment.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Okay.

MR.

FOX:

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was

not

sworn

and

would

not

subject

cross

examination

that

basis,

and

the

Board

will

regard

those

appropriately.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Can

ask

question

the

panel

then?

Because,

mean,

just

want

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your

own

and

certainly

we’ll

discuss

schedule

for

those

you

may

free

address

any

the

pre-filed

testimony,

spoken

testimony,

the

transcript

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any

comment

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you

wish

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not

sworn,

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appreciate

your

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FLOWERS:

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Mr.

Harris

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just

said

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would

they

were

willing

answer

questions.

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HARRIS:

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still

willing

there

are

any

questions.

don’t

want

through

the

lengthy

interrogatories,

but

anything

that

relates

our

proposal,

course

we’re

interesting

answering

questions.

MR.

FOX:

Mr.

Harris,

that

spirit

Mr.

Kennedy’s

willing

answer

question,

Ms.

Flowers,

please

ahead.

MS.

MOORE:

No,

not

Mr.

Kennedy.

don’t

think

Mr.

Kennedy

should

have

answer

question.

MR.

FOX:

You’re

right.

I’m

sorry.

misspoke.

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MOORE:

Mr.

Harris

said

would.

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it’s

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rid

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think,

originally

all

materials

regulated

used

oil.

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our

spirit

compromise,

we’ll

narrow

down

the

most

important

categories,

which

are

the

four

identified

testimony.

MS.

FLOWERS:

Thank

you

for

that

clarification.

MR.

RAY:

Can

add

something?

MR.

FOX:

Mr.

Ray,

please

ahead.

MR.

RAY:

I’ll

very

brief.

The

current

proposal

that

only

used oil

defined

and

not

used

oil

managed

allowed

managed

would

exempt

from

manifesting

may

seem

gives

half

what

we’re

asking

for.

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from

point

view,

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for

our

company.

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worse

than

not

changing

the

regulations

all,

because

would

pose

new

ambiguity

and

confusion

our

customers’

minds,

and

would

make

harder

for

them

operate

than

the

current

manifesting

system

does.

was

solely

voting

this

had

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ability

voice

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not

choose

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used

oil

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think

that’s

why

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other

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are

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neglected,

boss,

the

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NOP.A,

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would

add

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words

with

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Board’s

permission.

MR.

FOX:

Very

good.

MR.

PARKER:

know

time

tight,

I’m

going

make

this

very

short.

name

Scott

Parker.

I’m

the

executive

director

for

NORA,

the

National

Oil

Recyclers

Association,

and

all

the

companies

here

this

room

are

members

ours,

and

can

validate

that

they

are

companies

good

standing

the

industry.

also

wanted

take

moment

also

promote

Chris

Harris.

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been

with

our

association

for

over

20 years.

He’s

considered

one

the

leading

national

experts

used

oil

and

regulatory

compliance

and

issues

surrounding

that,

I think

that

that’s

important for

you

to know.

did

want

thank

the

Board

for hearing

from

our

members

and

having

this

hearing

today.

also

wanted

thank

IEPA

for

participating

in this.

I can

tell

you

that

this

issue

important.

can

tell

you

how important

is.

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not

very

often

that

can

get

eight

nine

members

from

the

same

state

compete

with

each

other

work

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millions

dollars,

and

opinion

not

helping

the

environment

all.

think

that’s

really

the

key

here.

don’t

think

that

correlation

has

been

made

all.

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think

the

other

point

that

was

brought

that

want

mention

briefly

was

the

other

thing,

too,

NORA

have

members

nationwide

that

business

all

the

time.

They’re

constantly

working

together,

have

customers,

they

have

burners,

they

have

people

outside

the

states.

think

would

the

best

interest

Illinois

and

the

companies

Illinois

and

the

environment

Illinois

for

these

companies

easily

able

trade

among

the

states.

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that,

just

want

say

thank

you

again,

and

I think

you

have

some

experts

here,

but

I’m

also

willing

assist

with

questions

necessary.

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FOX:

Mr.

Harris,

did

you

have

any

other

persons

that

wish

offer

any

comments

this

time?

MR.

HARRIS:

don’t

think

so.

MR.

FOX:

Very

well. And

I think

we’ve

come

the

end

the

testimony,

course,

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5:21

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138:6

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129:2

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67:10

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209:16

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132:20

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205:17

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175:20

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