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THE MATTER

OF:

WATER QUALITY STANDARDS

AND

EFFLUENT LIMITATIONS

FOR THE

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No. R08-9

CHICAGO AREA WATERWAY SYSTEM

AND THE LOWER DES PLAINES

RIVER:

PROPOSED AJ4ENDMENTS

TO 35 Ill.

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Adm. Code Parts 301, 302,

303

and 304.

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SEP

92008

STATE

OFILLIN( S

Pollution

Control

ard

TRANSCRIPT

OF PROCEEDINGS held in the

above-entitled

cause before Hearing Officer

Marie

Tipsord, taken before

Tamara Manganiello, RPR,

100 West Randolph Street, Room

9-040, Chicago,

Illinois, on the

8th day of September, A.D.,

2008,

commencing

9:08 a.m.

L.A. REPORTING

(312)

419-9292

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APPEARANCES

ILLINOIS POLLUTION

CONTROL

BOARD:

Ms.

Marie

Tipsord,

Hearing

Officer

Ms.

Alisa

Liu,

P.E.,

Environmental

Scientist

Mr.

Anand

Rao,

Senior

Environmental

Scientist

Mr.

Tanner

Girard,

Acting

Chairman

Mr.

Nicholas

Melas

Mr.

Thomas

Johnson

ILLINOIS ENVIRONMENTAL

PROTECTION

AGENCY:

Ms.

Stefanie

Diers

Ms.

Deborah

Williams

Mr.

Robert

Suiski

Mr.

Scott

Twait

Mr.

Howard

Essig

ENVIRONMENTAL

LAW

AND

POLICY

CENTER,

East

Wacker

Drive

Suite

1300

Chicago,

Illinois

60601

(312)

795-3707

BY:

MR.

ALBERT

ETTINGER

MS.

JESSICA

A. DEXTER

Appeared

behalf

ELPC,

Prairie

Rivers

Network

and

Sierra

Club

THE

CHICAGO LEGAL

CLINIC

2938

East

91st

Street

Chicago,

Illinois

60617

(773)

731-1762

BY:

MR.

KEITH

HARLEY

Appeared

behalf

the

Southeast

Environmental

Task

Force

L.A.

REPORTING (312)

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(CONTINUED)

BARNES

& THORNBURG,

LLP,

One

North

Wacker Drive

Suite

4400

Chicago,

Illinois

60606-2833

(312)

357-1313

BY:

MR.

FREDERIC P.

ANDES,

Appeared on

behalf of

the

Metropolitan

Water

Reclamation

District

of Greater

Chicago

OPENLANDS,

25 East Washington

Street

Suite

1650

Chicago,

Illinois 60602-1708

(312)

863-6265

BY:

MS. STACY

MEYERS-GLEN

OFFICE OF THE

ATTORNEY

GENERAL,

STATE

OF ILLINOIS,

West Washington

Street

Suite 1800

Chicago,

Illinois

60602

(312)

814-4947

BY:

MS.

SUSAN

HEDMAN

NATURAL RESOURCES

DEFENSE COUNCIL,

101

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Drive

Suite 609

Chicago,

Illinois

60606

(312)

663-9900

BY:

MS.

ANN

ALEXANDER

FRIENDS OF

THE

CHICAGO

RIVER,

East Jackson

Boulevard

Suite 1800

Chicago,

Illinois

60604-2272

(312)

939-0490

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MS.

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HEARING OFFICER TIPSORD:

Who has

brought

a video camera and would like

permission

videotape the proceeding;

that

correct?

MR. JOYCE:

Correct.

THE COURT:

Is there

anyone who

objects to videotaping of the proceeding?

Seeing none

this time, we will

allow him

videotape.

At any time if

anyone

does have an objection, I will ask him

turn the

tape

off. Dr. Girard, would

you

to say

something this morning?

DR. GIRARD:

Good morning.

On behalf

of the Board, I welcome everyone

the

hearing in this water rulemaking.

The Board is grateful for the time

and effort invested

the participants who

pre-filed testimony and questions. We look

forward

to a

productive hearing. Thank

you.

HEARING OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Thank you,

Dr. Girard. With that, we

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reporter swear in Mr. Lanyon.

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North Branch

of the Chicago River

which was

deepened

to accommodate the additional

flow.

The

North Shore Channel

also

conveyed the

discharge from the sewers in

Evanston,

formerly draining into

Lake

Michigan.

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Channel and

the Blue Island Lock

in 1922, the

Calumet River was also

reversed

flow away

from Lake Michigan.

Attachments 1, 2 and

respectively,

provide

current map

of the

CAWS,

a photograph showing

construction of

one of the channels and diagram

of the flow

reversal.

HEARING OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Excuse

me,

just to be

clear,

that’s attachments

to your

testimony?

MR. LANYON:

Yes, ma’am.

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refer

this enlargement of Exhibit 1,

which has

depiction of the current CAWS

system.

HEARING OFFICER

TIPSORD:

I’m sorry

keep interrupting

you, but you

referred

this as Exhibit 1. Is that Attachment

MR. LANYON:

Attachment 1.

I’m sorry.

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TIPSORD:

That’s

alright.

Just

for

the

people

who aren’t

MR.

LANYON:

Attachment

Exhibit

60.

HEARING

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TIPSORD:

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who

are

reading

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testimony

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able

to --

reading

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able

figure

out

and

this

clearly

can.

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you.

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LANYON:

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Chicago

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and

Ship Canal

which

began

at Damen

Avenue

and

all

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Lockport,

Illinois.

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the Wilmette

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North

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of the

Chicago

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from

Blue Island

where

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the

Little

Calumet

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Chicago

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and

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Canal.

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all

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constituents in

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HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Thank

you,

Mr.

Lanyon.

Before we

go to questions

from

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IEPA, I want

to revisit

Exhibit

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Ms. Williams,

while

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to challenge

whether

not

it was

mailed,

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for

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the IEPA has

not

yet

received

it. Since

it was

mailed on Friday

and

today

is Monday,

it’s pretty

unlikely

you

got

U.S. Mail

unless

U.S.

Mail

got a

lot

better

this week.

With

that,

I note that my

records

show

that the

Natural Resources

Defense

Council

did

not

pre-file questions

for

Mr.

Lanyon.

MS. ALEXANDER:

That’s

correct.

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

So we will

proceed

IEPA.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

Before we start,

guess I would

just

ask

the

Hearing

Officer,

our questions

primarily follow

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MS. WILLIAMS:

Can

you

explain why

why not -- or

can

you

explain why not?

Sorry.

MR. LANYON:

Because they’re all

part

of the

same basic system

of man-made or

significantly altered

channels conveying

large degree of

urban drainage and

treated

wastewater effluent.

MS. DEXTER:

Can I ask

follow-up?

HEARING

OFFICER TIPSORD:

Sure.

MS.

DEXTER:

Mr. Lanyon --

HEARING OFFICER TIPSORD:

Can you

identify yourself for the record?

MS. DEXTER:

Jessica

Dexter from the

Environmental Law

& Policy Center.

Are

you

an aquatic ecologist?

MR. LANYON:

No.

MS. DEXTER: Are

you

fisheries

biologist?

MR. LANYON:

I beg your pardon?

MS. DEXTER:

Are

you

fisheries

biologist?

MR. LANYON:

No.

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HEARING

OFFICER TIPSORD:

Mr.

Ettigner,

you

need

identify yourself.

MR.

ETTINGER:

This

Albert

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it your

testimony that

the

banks

are

functionally

similar

throughout

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entire

Chicago

Area Waterway

System?

MR. LANYON:

I’m

not

sure

what

you

mean

functionally

similar,

but

the

banks

contain

the water.

MR. ETTINGER:

That’s

true.

Are

you

saying that

the North

Branch of

the

Chicago

River has the

same sort

of banks

the

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and Ship

Canal?

MR. LANYON:

Well,

no, some are

sloping

banks,

some --

MR. ETTINGER:

Yeah,

some are sloping

banks.

MR.

LANYON:

-- are vertical

banks

and

some are --

THE

COURT REPORTER:

I can only

get

one person

at a

time.

HEARING

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Ettinger,

you

need

let him answer

the

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Mr.

Lanyon.

MR. LANYON:

Some

are made

out

different

materials.

MR. ETTINGER:

Are

there

points

which

people

can walk

into the

river

the

North

Branch

the Chicago

River?

MR.

LANYON:

I believe

there

are.

MR. ETTINGER:

that

true

of the

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and

Ship

Canal?

MR. LANYON:

Yes.

MS. WILLIAMS:

that,

I’d

also,

guess,

up.

all

the

reaches

the

CAWS

have

commercial

barge

traffic

occurring?

MR.

LANYON:

No,

they

don’t.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

you

know

which

ones

don’t?

MR. LANYON:

Generally,

above

Webster

Street

the

North

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the

Chicago

River

you don’t

find

commercial

navigation.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

Is that

all?

MR.

LANYON:

Well,

could

say

above

-- upstream

of 35th

Street

the

Bubbly

Creek

or the

South

Fork,

but

that’s

very short

segment.

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about

all.

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ask one follow-up?

Mr.

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you

know

whether there

barge

traffic on

the North

Shore Channel?

MR.

LANYON:

Today?

In current

times?

MS. DEXTER:

Yes.

MR.

LANYON:

haven

seen

barge

there

in years.

MS. DEXTER:

Okay.

Thank you.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

Moving on

number

two,

you

describe

the features

natural

river

on Page

Paragraph 2

of your

testimony and

explain that

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CAWS does not

have these

natural

features.

How far

downstream,

in your opinion,

does

this

condition

extend?

MR. LANYON:

Downstream

the OBrien

Lock

and Dam.

ITm

sorry, I misspoke.

Downstream

to the

Brandon

Road Lock

and Dam.

MS. WILLIAMS:

I would

kind of

combine --

MR.

LANYON:

For the

purpose of

the

B-R-A-N-D-O-N.

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you.

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okay,

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of the

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GIRARD:

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ask

quick

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here

that

goes

along

with

this?

Mr. Lanyon,

when

you

talk

about

water

quality

parameters that

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maintaining

with

these

diversions, which

water

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you

manage

for

and

how do

you

prioritize which

ones

are

given

a top

priority

terms

maintaining?

MR.

LANYON:

primarily

use

dissolved

oxygen

the

target

water

quality

measurement

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with

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WILLIAMS:

Are there

any

requirements

those rules

that

affect when

during

the

year

allotment

can

be taken?

MR.

LANYON:

There

not.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

And what

happens

to the

allotment

2015?

MR.

LANYON:

Currently,

its

scheduled

reduced

101

cubic

feet

per

second.

MS. WILLIAMS:

Moving

number

four --

MR.

ANDES:

Excuse me,

can

follow-up

that

for

a moment?

HEARING

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TIPSORD:

Sure.

MR. ANDES:

Mr.

Lanyon,

when the

District

has

to take its

allotment

down

101 CFS,

what

do you expect

the

effects of

that will

in terms

dealing

with water

quality

issues?

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LANYON:

Well, it

will

be a little

bit more

difficult for

us to

meet

dissolved

oxygen

standards

for the

waterway

system.

MR. ANDES:

Why

is that?

MR. LANYON:

Well,

the

additional

flow

during

the

summertime

provides

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WILLIAMS:

itTs

your

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Lanyon,

that

the

construction

TARP

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taken

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was

determined

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discretionary

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down

2015?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

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ANDES:

Can

I follow

up?

DR.

GIRARD:

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Ive

just

got

quick

question. Mr.

Lanyon,

when

you

talk

about

diversion

Lake

Michigan

water,

this

accomplished

gravity

you

have

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the

water

depending

on the

level

the

lake?

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LANYON:

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the

most

part,

accomplished

gravity

through

sluice

gates

the

OBrien

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and

Dam

and

the

Chicago

River

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Works.

the

Wilmette Pumping

Station

have

the

option of

pumping,

however,

currently

our

pumping

capacity

compromised

by the

age

of the

equipment

and we

have

use

either

portable pumping

equipment

Wilmette

or,

the

lake

high

enough,

can

divert

gravity.

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ANDES:

I had

one

follow-up

question,

Mr.

Lanyon.

The allotment

decreases

in 2015.

When

will

TARP

complete

at the

current

schedule?

MR.

LANYON:

Well,

have

testified,

we anticipate

the

Thornton

Reservoir,

which

would

benefit

the Little

Calumet

River

and

the

Calumet-Sag

Channel,

scheduled

to be

completed

2014

and

the

McCook

Reservoir,

stage

one, is

scheduled

online

2015.

Stage

two

McCook

Reservoir

will

not

online

until

2024.

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understanding

when

the

allocation

order

was

issued,

it would

generally

plan

that

McCook

Reservoir

would

be completed

2014.

MR.

ANDES:

Thank

you.

MS. WILLIAMS:

Question

four,

you

state

in your

testimony

the

bottom

Page

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all outflow

exits

the

CAWS

at the

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Powerhouse

and Lock

and Lockport

Controlling

Works.

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water

ever

flow

out

Lake Michigan?

MR.

LANYON:

Rarely.

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there

high

rate

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LANYON:

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that’s

testimony.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Thank

you.

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Ms.

Williams.

MS. WILLIAMS:

Question

your

testimony

that

42 percent

of all

runoff

the CAWS

originates

from impervious

surfaces?

MR.

LANYON:

No.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

What

-- do you

know

what

percentage

runoff

the

CAWS

originates

from

impervious

surfaces?

MR.

LANYON:

I don’t

know

the

answer

‘7

that.

MS. WILLIAMS:

it’s

correct

that

impervious

surfaces

located

in combined

sewer

areas

not

reach

the

CAWS

without

treatment

unless

there

are

overflows?

MR.

ANDES:

Can

you

repeat

that

because

that’s

not

quite

the

question

here?

MS.

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me read

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Ten

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200,000.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

Okay.

what

are the

typical

concentrations

of pathogenic

organisms

the

DistrictTs

effluent?

MR. ANDES:

Can

I ask are

you

asking

about

pathogenic

indicators

both?

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separate

things.

MS. WILLIAMS:

would --

if he

can

answer

both,

I would

know

both.

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would

let --

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assume

indicator

would

easier

answer.

MR.

ANDES:

Yeah.

MR.

LANYON:

Well,

the

numbers

cited

were

for fecal

coliform,

which

is an

indicator

bacteria.

I don

have

data

the

pathogenics.

MS. WILLIAMS:

the numbers

you gave

for

typical

treated

effluent,

youre

saying

thatTs

the same

as the

numbers

for

the

District

treated

effluent?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

For

the calumet,

North

Side

and

Stickney

water

reclamation

plants.

MR.

ANDES:

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Hanover Park?

MR. ETTINGER:

Hanover Park.

MR. LANYON:

don’t have those

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I don’t know.

MR. ETTINGER:

Would they

under

400?

MR.

LANYON:

Non-disinfected?

MR. ETTINGER:

No, the disinfected

plants.

MR.

LANYON:

Disinfected, well,

they’d

near

zero.

MR. ETTINGER:

Thank

you.

MS. WILLIAMS:

Moving on

to question

eight.

MR. HARLEY:

Can I ask

a follow-up?

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Sure.

MR.

HARLEY:

Keith

Harley, Chicago

Legal Clinic upon

behalf the Southeast

Environmental Task

Force. Can

you

explain

historically why

it is that some

District

plants

disinfect while others

do not?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes, I

can.

The

three

plants that are located

in the northwest

part

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ANDES:

I think

that

would

particularly

within

the knowledge

of the

Agency

since

it issued

the permits.

MR. SULSKI:

Ask him if 400

sounds

about right.

MS. WILLIAMS:

The question

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getting

at,

so there’s

no point of going

around

this,

itTs

correct,

isn’t

it, that

your

permit limit

is higher

than the

near

zero

you testified

is the

number coming

out

of the

plant,

correct?

MR. LANYON:

Yes.

MS. WILLIAMS:

Can

you

explain why

the

actual bacteria

level

your

discharge is

lower than the

limit in

the permit?

MR. LANYON:

Well,

controlling

fecal

coliform

the effluent

is very

difficult.

Fecal

colifbrm

has wide variations.

When

you’re

going

kill,

you

kill

them all,

fecal

coliform.

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TIPSORD:

Mr. Harley.

MR.

HARLEY:

What

type

treatment

technology

are

you

using

kill

the fecal

coliform

Egan, Hanover

and

Kirie?

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MR. LANYON:

One or two per

year.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

Thank

you.

MR.

ANDES:

I’d

follow-up.

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Before

you

do;

one

or two

CSOs

per year after

the

completion

TARP,

correct?

That’s

your

answer?

MR. LANYON:

CSO

events after,

yes.

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had lost

track

of what

we were talking

about,

I think,

for

purposes of the

record.

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first

question I

have

to follow

is when

we talk about

CSO

event,

does

that mean

one discharge

from

one

pipe?

MR.

LANYON:

No, it

doesn’t.

It’s

day

which there

combined sewer

overflow

one

or more outfalls.

MR. ANDES:

So that could

multiple

outflows

given

day?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

MR.

ANDES: And

how

will

the

ultimate

number

overflows

allowed in

given

year

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MS.

WILLIAMS:

And then

what will

happen?

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LANYON:

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the

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would

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WILLIAMS:

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into

a permit

at some

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MR.

LANYON:

I’m

sure the Agency

will

that.

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ANDES:

I’d like

to follow

up once

more.

Mr.

Lanyon,

are

you

saying that

until

the

TARP

completed,

you don’t

really

know

how

many

overflows there

are going

be?

MR.

LANYON:

That’s

correct.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

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ten,

on Page

Attachment

to your testimony

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that

the

Calumet

River

extends

upstream

the O’Brien

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and Dam

to Lake Michigan.

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the

Calumet River

directly

connected

to Lake

Michigan, it

is not

considered part

of the

CAWS.

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testimony

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ANDES:

you want

him

give

specific number,

can’t

that. It’s

going

have

be dealt with

MS.

WILLIAMS:

A number?

MR.

ANDES:

What

exactly

are

you

MS.

WILLIAMS:

I would

like him

explain

what

the District

views

feasibility.

didn’t

view feasibility

involve

numbers,

but

that’s what

you meant

that.

Did

you

mean

economics when

you

said

feasibility?

MR. LANYON:

That would

include

both

economic

and

technical

feasibility.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

Okay.

you

believe

that

the Agency’s

proposals

are

technically

feasible?

looking

for?

MR. LANYON:

No.

MS. WILLIAMS:

Why

not?

MR. ANDES:

We have other

witnesses

who are

going

deal with

that issue.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

But,

mean, he

said

the question

was

too general.

I’d like

him

explain.

he’s

saying here

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Nothing

that I can

think

of right

now.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

Referring

back

to the

quote

read in

question

13,

you also

testify

that

you’re

prepared

take

on new

challenges

where

there would.

be a

significant

benefit.

What would

the District

view

as a

significant

benefit of this

rulemaking?

MR.

LANYON: A

significant benefit

would

be achieving

standard

or achieving

use.

MR.

HARLEY:

May I

ask a follow-up

that?

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Sure.

MR. HARLEY:

Achieving

a use

maintaining

a use?

MR.

LANYON:

Either.

MR.

HARLEY: A

recreational use?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

MR.

HARLEY:

The

use of the waters

the public for boating?

MR. LANYON:

Yes.

MR.

HARLEY:

For fishing?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

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Question number

four:

you

know

of any

instances

where

people

have come

into

direct

contact with

the water

in the

Chicago Area

Waterway

System in

close proximity

your

outfalls

at Stickney,

Calumet and

North Side?

MR.

LANYON:

No.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

Can

you say whether

people

come

into indirect

contact

such as

getting

water

on their hands

paddling,

jet

skiing,

tubing

otherwise

passing

by these

outfalls?

MR.

LANYON:

No.

‘3

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

So it’s possible?

MR. LANYON:

Beg

your

pardon?

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

It’s

possible

then?

MR. LANYON:

Possible,

yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Are

you

aware

that

the

Dammrich

Rowing

Center

Skokie,

that’s

otherwise

known

the

Oakton Street

launch

site,

runs canoes

and

kayaks

approximately

one-half

mile upstream

from

the

District’s

North Side

wastewater

treatment

plant?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And do

you

know

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whether

high

school and

college

crew

teams

from

New Trier,

North

Park

University,

Loyola

Academy

and

Northwestern

University,

otherwise

just people

that rent

canoes and

kayaks

from

this location

ever

row

five

minutes

downstream

past

the

outflow

the

North Side

wastewater

treatment

plant?

MR. LANYON:

No.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

And for

recreational

users

that

paddle

or crew

on the

North

Side

channel,

isnit

that

effluent dominated

waterway?

MR. ANDES:

What reach

are

you

talking

about there?

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

The North

Side

channel

that --

MR. ANDES:

The

whole North

Side

channel?

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Sure.

MR. LANYON:

Well, first

of all

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

First

of all,

the

whole North

Side channel.

MR.

LANYON:

I don

know

a North

Side

channel.

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102

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

The North

Shore

Channel,

apologize,

near

your North

Side

Plant.

MR.

LANYON:

they paddle

past the

outfall?

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

think

MR.

LANYON:

Possible.

I don

know

that

they

do,

but...

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Well,

for

recreational

users

that

would

paddle or

crew

as there

are crew

teams in that

area,

on the

North Shore

Channel

your plant,

near

the

plant, that

location

even

half

mile up

down,

thatTs

an effluent

dominated

waterway,

correct?

MR. LANYON:

Well,

it would

be correct

to say

that

downstream of

the outfall

an effluent

dominated

water.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Isn

there --

MR.

LANYON:

Our

effluents

don

normally

flow upstream.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Isn

there

significant

backf low,

though, from

the North

Side

Plant?

L.A.

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MR.

LANYON:

What

you mean

by a

backf low?

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

There is -- on

October 31st were

you

present

the MWRD

study session on water

quality standards?

MR. LANYON:

When?

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

October 31st of

2007.

MR. LANYON:

Yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

you

remember

Samuel Dorevitch talking

at that

study

session?

MR. LANYON:

Yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

you

recall

when

he said that

there was

significant

backf low

from the

North Side Plant?

MR. ANDES:

Are we

introducing

statement into

evidence here --

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

I certainly can.

MR. ANDES:

-- because

I don’t

see it?

MR.

LANYON:

I don’t recall

him making

such a statement, however,

it is

conceivable

that we have

a density current from the

outfall in the

upstream direction.

L.A. REPORTING

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104

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

That’s

sufficient.

I’m

not

going

introduce

it.

What

density

current?

MR.

LANYON:

beg

your

pardon?

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Can

you

define

what

density

current

is?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes,

can.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Please

ahead.

MR.

LANYON:

density

current

one

where

booming

body

water

such

river

there

heavier

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bottom

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have

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junction

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South

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suspect

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also

other

locations

our

system

such

near

our

outfalls

the

North

Side

water

reclamation

plant

and

the

Calumet

water

reclamation

plant.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And

that

would

account

for

them

well,

what

would

otherwise

termed

backf

low?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

wouldn’t

call

a backflow

myself.

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Yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And that

location is

also heavily

used

fishing

spot?

MR. LANYON:

It’s

used.

m not

sure

what

you

mean

by heavily

used.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

There are

lot

people

fishing

there, correct,

routinely?

MR.

LANYON:

That might

be more

precise.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Number

ten:

Are

you

familiar with

the Chicago

Park

District

boat

launch

and

two kayak rental

locations

Clark

Park

near

Addison which

are

also

downstream

the North

Side wastewater

treatment

plant?

MR. LANYON:

Yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And

do people

frequently

kayak and

canoe north

from the

Clark

Park

boat

launch

the

North Branch

the Chicago

River?

MR. LANYON:

occasion they

do.

Frequently,

ITm

not sure

what

youre

referring

to as

frequently.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

Well,

people

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take that

route from

the Clark Park

boat

launch,

do you know?

MR.

LANYON:

Often

opposed to going

the other

way, I don’t

know.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

That’s correct.

You

don’t know?

MR. LANYON:

I have no

data

to say

whether it’s

frequent or

not.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Okay.

HEARING OFFICER

TIPSORD:

But they

go that

direction?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Thank

you.

MR.

LANYON:

You

have two

choices,

upstream,

downstream.

MR. SULSKI:

Thank

you,

Dick.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Well,

guess isn’t

a frequent route that

people will

between

the Clark Park

boat launch and

the

River Park

boat

launch?

MR. ANDES:

just

said

he didn’t

know.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Well, that’s

different

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no,

it’s

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general

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MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

But

does

occur?

MR. LANYON:

At a

location.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

And

I would

you

to look

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also

know

does

anyone

want color

copies?

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Actually,

are

going

admit

these

an exhibit for

ease

of the

record.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

Thank

you.

MR.

ANDES:

Fine.

HEARING

OFFICER TIPSORD:

won’t --

for

ease

of the

record,

all know

what

we’re

looking

at,

we will admit

them

exhibits.

Mr.

Andes,

you

need

color

copies?

MR.

ANDES:

No,

we don’t.

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HEARING

OFFICER TIPSORD:

Okay.

How

about

IEPA, color

copies?

•

MS. WILLIAMS:

I’ll

take color.

HEARING

OFFICER TIPSORD:

And

Ms.

Meyers-Glen,

these are the

-- all the

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your

questions

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Yes.

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

-- stapled

together?

there’s

no objection,

again,

simply

for

ease

of the

record,

I’m

going

mark

these

Exhibit

61.

Seeing

none,

they’re

marked

Exhibit

61.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Also,

they

are

online,

available

on the

internet

color.

Those

attachments

should

available

everybody.

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

And

have

another

copy

that

donTt

need

here

anybody

does

need it.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Actually,

maybe

Mr.

Andes,

could

get

color

copy

him.

I’1R.

ANDES:

We’re

fine, really.

Thank

you.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

Can

I ask

the

Hearing

Officer

exhibit

question

really

quick?

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Yes.

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MS. WILLIAMS:

Exhibit

60 was

Mr. Lanyon’s

testimony?

HEARING

OFFICER TIPSORD:

Uh-huh.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

Does that include

his

attachments?

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Yes.

MS. WILLIAMS:

Thank

you.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

I note

that,

Mr. Lanyon,

you

introduced

in your testimony

a photograph from

1895 of the Chicago

Sanitary and

Ship Canal; is that

correct?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes, that

was one --

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

And that’s over

100

years

ago?

THE COURT REPORTER:

Can

you repeat

that?

MR. LANYON:

-- of the

attachments.

HEARING

OFFICER TIPSORD:

Can

you

specify

where in the testimony

that was?

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

That

would

be this

photographed that they

introduced

as --

HEARING OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Is it

attached -- what

attachment is it

in?

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

believe it’s

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60. It’s

what

you entered

into

evidence

this morning.

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

No.

Exhibit

60 --

MS.

WILLIAMS:

I think

it’s

Attachment

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Thanks.

HEARING

OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Thank

you.

Again,

for

ease

of the

record,

we can’t

just

say “this.”

have

tell them

exactly

where

they

can find it

when

you

read the

transcript.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

Thank

you.

Now

that

picture

was taken

over

100

years

ago,

correct?

MR.

LANYON:

Let’s

see,

2008

minus

yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Quite

while

ago?

MR.

ETTINGER:

there an

engineer

the house?

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

Now in

Attachment

1 -- actually,

Attachment 1

is from

interior

cover

what is called

Our Goal

Clear,

actually issued

by the

District.

Are

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you familiar

with

that

brochure?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes,

I am.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And

in the

interior

cover

the back,

are

you

familiar

with

this

photograph,

have

you

seen

this

before?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes,

am.

MR.

ANDES:

Are

these

follow-up

questions?

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Yes,

yes.

And

under

gradually

sloping

banks,

getting

into

Openland’s

Attachment

Number

MR.

ANDES:

Okay.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And

this

image

of looks

kids sculling

the North

Shore

Canal;

that

correct?

MR.

LANYON:

Young

people.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Yes.

Okay.

And

the

slopes

least

the

slope

the left,

that

is not

vertical

walled

steep

slope,

it?

MR. LANYON:

No, I don’t

believe

is.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

It’s

very

nice,

gradual

slope?

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LANYON:

No, I don’t

believe

they

do.

MS.

WILLIAMS:

Thank

you.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

These

are earthen

banks, correct

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

-- along

the

side?

And

are

you

aware of any

place

that

you

can

get

out

the North

Shore

Channel?

MR. LANYON:

Where

you

can

get out?

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Uh-huh.

That a

boat

could

leave

the

water, somebody

sculling

boat

someone in

kayak or

a canoe

can

get

out.

MR.

LANYON:

Well,

you

mentioned

the

JDammrich Rowing

Center

Oakton

Street.

There’s

also

a small dock

the

Evanston

Ecology

Center

by Bridge

Street.

I believe

those

are

the

only two

locations on

the

North

Shore

Channel upstream

the North Side

water

reclamation

plant.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

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you flip the

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They’re

concrete

pads

sloping

into

the

water.

MR. HARLEY:

And are

those

open

for

any member

the

public

launch

any

type

of craft?

MR.

LANYON:

believe

so.

I’m

not

familiar

with

the Forest

Preserve

District

Regulations

regarding

that

site.

MR.

HARLEY:

Thank

you.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

I’m

going

try

get

through

Attachment

a little

quicker.

The

photograph,

we have

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Calumet

River

near

Torrence

Avenue

Bridge;

are

you

familiar

with

that

location,

along

the

Calumet

River

near the

Torrence

Avenue

Bridge?

MR. LANYON:

can’t

say

that

I’m

familiar

with

it.

know

where

it’s

located,

but...

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

this photograph

you

see

-- what

kind

slope

do you

see?

MR. LANYON:

Well,

I see

gradual

slope,

lot

of rocks

along

here

and

several

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the

Chicago River,

correct, near

Clark

Park

boat

launch?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Can

you please

describe

the

shoreline

in the

right

picture;

is that

a gradual slope?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And

also on the

left

where

they

canoeing

right

the

shore?

MR. LANYON:

Yes.

This

is one of

the

leased

properties.

The

Chicago Park

District

cut

down

the

steeper

slope

make

a canoe

launch

at Clark Park.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

you

support

this

kind

activity

at that location?

MR. ANDES:

Support?

MR.

LANYON:

Support?

We lease

the

property

the Park

District.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Correct.

MR. LANYON:

What

they

with

it is

their

business.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And

you

help

them

able

to bring this

kind of

activity

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location?

MR.

ANDES:

What

you

mean help?

MR. LANYON:

We provide

financial

support.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

But

you’re helping

order

for

this

boat

launch

to be

that

location?

You’re leasing

the

property

that

boat

launch

exists,

correct?

MR. LANYON:

I’ve testified

that we

lease

the

property

the Park

District.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

Correct.

For

this

purpose,

right?

MR. LANYON:

No.

HEARING

OFFICER TIPSORD:

I may,

Mr. Lanyon?

What

you’re

saying is the

District

leases the

property

the Park

District,

but you

do not

specify

that

lease what they

do with

that property

once

it’s

leased,

correct?

MR.

LANYON:

That

correct.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

And you’re

familiar,

though,

from the

Park District

that

this is

going

to be used

for

boat

launch;

is that

correct?

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this was

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the Clark

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launch,

but

I have no

direct knowledge

that

that’s where

this

photograph

was

taken.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Are

you

familiar

with

the Clark

Park

boat

launch?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes,

I am.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

And are

you familiar

with

areas such

as this

that are

shallow

that

where

you

can actually

wade

out

and

stand

in that

waterway?

MR.

LANYON:

I’ve

never

waded

out

and

stood

in the

river

the Clark

Park

boat

launch.

I don’t

know.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

you’re not

familiar

with the

depth?

MR. LANYON:

No.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And in

this

photograph

you see

aquatic

vegetation

the right

in the

middle of

the river?

MR. LANYON:

Well,

see

something

sticking

out

the water.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And that’s

most

likely

aquatic vegetation,

correct?

It looks

plants?

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MR.

LANYON:

I don’t

know.

MR. ANDES:

Can I ask what

the

relevance

of that is?

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

Yes.

states that

there is

limited aquatic

vegetation and that

that is --

MR. ANDES:

Did that contradict

his

statement?

MR. LANYON:

May

I add that on Labor

Day last week I

was on my bicycle, I

stopped

Clark Park,

I didn’t

see anything sticking

out

of the

water

the

Clark Park --

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

At that time?

MR. LANYON:

-- boat launch that

looked like what

you see in this photograph.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

you just

were

Clark Park

boat launch, correct?

MR. LANYON:

Beg your pardon?

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

You

just

were

Clark Park

boat

launch?

MR. LANYON:

On Labor Day.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Okay.

And

so this

photograph,

does

that look like

Clark Park

boat launch

to you?

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MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Okay.

And with that

general

familiarity, are

you familiar with

areas that have foliage

this along the

CSSC or

Chicago Sanitary and Ship

Canal?

MR. LANYON:

Well,

at Fay’s Point is

where the

Little Calumet River tributary

flows

into the channelized

portion of the

waterway, and like the

North Branch,

you

know,

you

have

a wider area in the river,

you

have

shallower depths

that

particular

location.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

This is along the

CSSC,

not

Cal-Sag.

HEARING OFFICER TIPSORD:

I think

what

happened

you

skipped pictures. The way

they’re

put

together is

you

have the

picture

of the egret and

you -- she

Tsreferring

the next

page of pictures.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

I did.

HEARING OFFICER TIPSOD:

He’s

answering questions regarding the egrets

and

you’re looking

the next

page.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

You’re absolutely

right. I

apologize. I forgot

about

our

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friend, the egret.

youTve

got

an egret

the water

HEARING OFFICER

TIPSORD:

Wait.

Let’s

finish with

the

question.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Sure.

Let’s

go back

the

CSSC for

a moment.

If we

could turn

to--

MR. LANYON:

We’re

looking

the

photograph

that

says foliage along the

Sanitary

and Ship

Canal.

MR. ANDES:

Upstream

of monitoring

station

number ten.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

You know what,

skipped

page.

apologize. If

you could

go back. There’s

a photograph of the

egret.

You

are absolutely

right, Mr. Lanyon.

I’m

sorry.

you

can

go back to gradual

slope along

the Calumet-Sag

Channel

Fay’s

Point

Marina and

that’s the one

you

were

looking

at --

MR. LANYON:

Yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

-- with

the egret

the water?

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MR. LANYON:

Yes.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Okay.

And that is

east

of the

confluence

of the Little

Calumet

River.

Are

you

familiar

with

that area near

Fay’s Point

Marina?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes..

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

And

this

relatively

what

looks

that

location;

that correct?

MR. LANYON:

That’s

right.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

A lot of foliage?

MR.

LANYON:

Yes.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

And water

foul

this are

not uncommon;

is that correct?

MR.

LANYON:

Not

uncommon for

the --

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

For this area.

MR. LANYON:

I think

that we’ve

seen

them

at other

locations,

also.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And

this egret

standing

out

in the

waterway;

is that

correct?

MR.

LANYON:

That’s

what

egrets

do.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

That’s correct.

must

not

be that deep

that location;

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that correct?

MR. LANYON:

How long

a leg

does

the

egret have?

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

It’s

pretty shallow,

right?

MR. LANYON:

A foot or

so perhaps.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Right.

And there

lot

of vegetation along

the waterway?

MR. LANYON:

Well,

you see a

lot

vegetation

above the water line

along the

waterways.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

That’s correct.

Now

the picture right

beneath, this is

also

along --

HEARING

OFFICER TIPSORD:

Excuse me,

Mr. Harley has

a follow-up.

MR.

HARLEY: This refers

-- this

pictures refers

Fay’s

Point Marina and

you

testified that you’re

familiar with the

marina?

MR. LANYON:

Generally familiar.

MR.

HARLEY:

Can

you describe Fay’s

Point Marina

the Board?

MR. LANYON:

Well, Fay’s

Point is

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development

the

point

where the Little

Calumet

River

flows into the

channelized

portion

of the system.

ItT

on the south

bank of

the

Calumet-Sag

Channel

and south

the Fay’s

Point Development

where the

Little

Calumet. River

flows

into the

generalized

portion

of the system.

MR. HARLEY:

Is it correct

to say

that

FayTs

Point

Marina is

a housing

development

that

includes

a marina

component?

MR.

LANYON: I

believe that

true.

MR. HARLEY:

And this

is an

economic

development

that

occurred

in Blue Island,

Illinois;

is that

correct?

MR. LANYON:

Yes.

MR.

HARLEY:

And this economic

development

occurred,

this mixed

housing

marina community

occurred

within the

past

five years?

MR: LANYON:

believe

itTs

still

under

construction.

MR. HARLEY:

Thank

you.

MR. ANDES:

d like

follow-up.

Mr. Lanyon,

the various

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ANDES:

You

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page.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

The

foliage

along

the

Chicago

Sanitary and

Ship Canal

upstream

of MWRD

monitoring

station

HEARING

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TIPSORD:

I think

weTve

already

talked

about

those.

MS. WILLIAMS:

That’s

the

photo,

station

ten.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

Okay.

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the last

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remember using

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MR. ANDES:

I’m

sorry, I’m

confused

now.

HEARING

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skipping

the

trees

lining. You

started

ask

about

trees lining

the

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and

Ship

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LANYON:

What’s that?

MS.

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There’s

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this photograph

the

alcove?

MR.

LANYON:

A lot of plants?

MS.

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And trees,

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MR.

LANYON:

I mean, trees

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I can’t distinguish

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MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And there are

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on the left

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the

right? Sorry.

MR. LANYON:

the

right-hand

side

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on the slope

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waterline.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

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you

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MR. LANYON:

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MR.

ETTINGER:

Lake Michigan

from the

Chicago

River north

to Hollywood

is all an

unnatural

coastline,

too,

isn’t

it?

MR.

LANYON:

Except for the

Streeterville

area

that was filled

in.

MR. ETTINGER:

That was --

MR.

ANDES:

You

said

unnatural?

MR. ETTINGER:

It’s unnatural

Streeterville.

It’s actually

fill all

the

way

Rogers

Park, isn’t

it?

MR. ANDES:

can stipulate

that.

MR. LANYON:

I don’t

know.

MR. ETTINGER:

Is the

step revetment

on Lake

Michigan

natural?

MR. LANYON:

Step?

MR.

ETTINGER:

You

don’t

know

what the

step

revetment

is?

MR.

LANYON:

Oh,

I’m sorry, the

step

revetment that

was

put

protect the

shoreline?

MR. ETTINGER:

Yeah.

MR. LANYON:

No, that’s

not natural.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

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MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

Okay.

you

don’t

know

sitting

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many exit points

there

are

boat

launch sites

on the CAWS?

MR. LANYON:

That’s correct.

MS.

MEYERS-GLEN:

And

you

know --

as to

your

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launch

sites are

planned

for construction?

MR. LANYON:

I don’t

know the

answer

that

either.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

you

know how

many

private

docks

or ramps there

are between

the

Clark Park

boat launch

and the

District’s

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wastewater

treatment

plant?

MR.

LANYON:

No.

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

Are

you

aware that

there

are actually

private docks

alone --

MR. ANDES:

I think

it’s evident

MS. MEYERS-GLEN:

between

the Clark

Park

boat launch

and the

District? If

knows

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would

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it if

could --

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TIPSORD:

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private ones

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ANDES:

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STATE

ILLINOIS

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Tamara

Manganiello,

CSR,

RPR,

hereby

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reported

shorthand

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proceedings

held

the

foregoing

cause,

and

that

the

foregoing

true,

complete

and

correct

transcript

the

proceedings

appears

from

stenographic

notes

taken

and

transcribed

under

personal

direction.

TAMARA

MANGNIELLO,

CSR,

RPR

License

No.

084-004560

SUBSCRIBED

AND

SWPRN

before

this

day

VA.D.,

2008.

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