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    PLEASE
    TAKE
    NOTICE
    that
    I
    have
    filed
    today with
    the
    Illinois
    Pollution
    Control
    Board
    Illinois EPA’s
    Motion
    to
    Preserve
    Opportunity
    to Submit
    Pre-filed
    Questions
    for Julia
    Wozniak
    and
    Illinois EPA’s
    Pre-Filed
    Questions,
    a
    copy
    of
    which
    is
    herewith
    served
    upon
    you.
    ILLINOIS
    ENVIRONMENTAL
    PROTECTION
    AGENCY
    BYJQ
    6
    Dated:
    August 22,
    2008
    JN
    Deborah
    J.
    William
    4uDQI\J
    1021
    North Grand
    Avenue
    East
    Assistant
    Counsel
    P.O.
    Box 19276
    Springfield,
    Illinois
    62794-9276
    (217)
    782-5544
    THIS FILING
    IS SUMBITTED
    ON
    RECYCLED
    PAPER


    BEFORE
    THE
    ILLINOIS
    POLLUTION
    CONTROL
    BOARJ1
    1ECEVED
    CLERK’S
    OFFICE
    AUG
    25
    2008
    )
    STATE
    OF
    ILLINOIS
    )
    Pollution
    Control
    Board
    )
    (Rulemaking
    Water)
    MOTION
    TO
    PRESERVE
    OPPORTUNITY
    TO
    SUBMIT
    PRE-FILEI)
    QUESTIONS
    FOR
    JULIA
    WOZNIAK
    NOW
    COMES
    the Proponent,
    the
    ILLINOIS
    ENVIRONMENTAL
    PROTECTION
    AGENCY
    (“Illinois
    EPA”),
    by
    one
    of its
    attorneys,
    and
    pursuant
    to 35
    Ill.
    Adm. Code
    101.500,
    101.502,
    101.522,
    102.402
    and
    102.420
    moves
    that
    the Hearing
    Officer
    allow the
    Illinois
    EPA
    to submit
    its
    pre-filed
    questions
    for
    Midwest
    Generation
    witness
    Julia
    Wozniak
    at
    such
    time
    as the
    Hearing
    Officer
    Orders
    the
    filing
    of
    pre-filed
    questions
    for
    Midwest
    Generation
    witnesses
    Greg Seegert
    and
    Dr.
    Alan Burton.
    In
    support
    of its
    Motion,
    the
    Illinois
    EPA
    states
    as follows:
    1.
    On May
    19,
    2008,
    the
    Hearing
    Officer
    issued
    an
    order scheduling
    additional
    hearings
    in
    this matter
    for
    September
    8,
    9 and
    10
    and
    23, 24
    and
    25.
    In
    addition,
    a
    Pre-filed
    Testimony
    deadline
    of
    August
    4,
    2008
    and a
    Pre-Filed
    Question
    deadline
    of
    August
    25, 2008
    were established.
    2.
    The
    Metropolitan
    Water
    Reclamation
    District
    of
    Greater
    Chicago
    filed
    a
    Motion
    to Stay
    these
    proceedings
    on
    June
    12, 2008.
    On
    July
    21,
    2008,
    the
    Board
    denied
    that
    Motion
    and
    upheld
    the
    Pre-filed
    Testimony
    and
    Question
    deadlines
    established
    in
    the
    May
    19,
    2088
    Hearing
    Officer
    Order.
    IN
    THE
    MATTER
    OF
    WATER
    QUALITY
    STATh.DARDS
    AND
    EFFLUENT
    LIMITATIONS
    FOR
    THE
    CHICAGO
    AREA
    WATERWAY
    SYSTEM
    AND
    THE
    LOWER
    DES
    PLANES
    RIVER:
    PROPOSED
    AMENDMENTS TO
    35111.
    Adm.
    Code
    Parts
    301,
    302,
    303
    and
    304
    )
    )
    )

    3.
    Midwest
    Generation filed
    a Motion for
    Extension of
    Time
    to
    File
    Pre-filed
    Testimony
    of
    Greg
    Seegert
    and
    Dr.
    Alan Burton
    on
    July
    25, 2008. Tn
    its Motion,
    Midwest Generation requested
    an extension
    of
    time
    until
    September
    8, 2008 to file
    testimony for
    these
    two witnesses.
    Midwest
    Generation
    stated that “this
    extension is
    limited
    in
    both
    time
    and scope...
    [Midwest Generation]
    is not seeking
    an extension
    of
    time to file
    pre-filed testimony
    of
    any other
    witnesses.”
    Motion
    at pp:
    2-3.
    4.
    Midwest
    Generation’s Motion
    was granted
    by the Hearing
    Officer
    on
    August
    1,
    2008.
    On August
    4, 2008,
    Midwest Generation
    timely pre-filed
    testimony
    of
    Julia Wozniak. No other
    testimony
    has been filed by
    Midwest Generation
    to date.
    5.
    In
    addition to Ms. Wozniak,
    forty-six
    (46) pieces
    of testimony were
    filed
    on
    August 4,
    2008 from
    approximately
    thirty-nine
    (39) different
    witnesses.
    Simultaneously
    with this
    Motion, the Agency
    is timely
    filing its pre-filed
    questions for
    these witnesses.
    6.
    Ms. Wozniak’s
    testimony and
    the thirteen (13) Attachments
    to it
    overlaps
    in many
    respects subject
    matters that the Illinois
    EPA expects
    will also
    be covered
    in the
    key testimony
    of Greg
    Seegert
    and Dr. Alan
    Burton. Therefore,
    it would
    confuse the
    Record for
    cross-examination
    of Ms. Wozniak
    to occur
    before
    testimony
    has even
    been
    filed by Mr. Seegert and
    Dr. Burton. In addition,
    it
    would
    prejudice
    the
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    case
    in support
    of its
    rulemaking proposal
    to prepare pre-filed
    testimony
    of this one
    Midwest Generation
    witness
    prior to the deadline
    for submittal
    of testimony
    by the
    other
    Midwest Generation
    witnesses on the same
    subject. For
    example,
    any subjects
    of cross
    examination
    of Ms. Wozniak would
    be subject
    to rehabilitation
    on the same
    issues in the
    later testimony. This
    makes it necessary for
    the
    Agency
    to
    seek leave
    from
    the Hearing

    Officer to
    preserve its right to submit
    questions ofMs. Wozniak on the same date and
    time as the Hearing Officer orders the parties to
    submit
    pre-filed questions for Midwest
    Generation’s
    remaining use designation
    witnesses.
    WHEREFORE, for the reasons
    set forth above, the Illinois EPA moves that the
    Hearing Officer GRANT the Agency’s Motion to preserve
    the
    opportunity to submit
    pre
    filed questions for Midwest Generation witness Julia
    Wozniak
    until the date the Hearing
    Officer
    Orders submittal of Pre-filed Questions for Greg Seegert and Dr. Alan Burton.
    Respectfully submitted,
    ILLINOIS ENVIRONMENTAL
    PROTECTION AGENCY
    By:U)A
    Deborah
    J.
    Willi
    s
    Assistant Counsel
    Dated: August
    22, 2008
    1021 North
    Grand Avenue East
    • P.O. Box
    19276
    Springfield, Illinois
    62794-9276
    (217)
    782-5544


    BEFORE
    THE
    ILLINOIS
    POLLUTION
    CONTROL
    BOARD
    ECEVED
    IN THE
    MATTER
    OF:
    )
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    )
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    QUALITY
    STANDARDS
    AND
    )
    EFFLUENT
    LIMITATIONS
    FOR
    THE
    )
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    pnJd
    CHICAGO
    AREA
    WATERWAY
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    -Water)
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    DES
    PLAINES
    RIVER:
    )
    PROPOSED
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    III.
    )
    Adm.
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    Parts
    301, 302,
    303
    and
    304)
    )
    )
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    Pre-Filed
    Questions
    for
    Kevin
    J.
    Boyle,
    Ph.D.
    The
    Illinois
    Environmental
    Protection
    Agency
    (“Illinois
    EPA”
    or “Agency”),
    by and
    through
    its attorneys,
    hereby
    submits its
    Pre-Filed
    Questions
    for
    Kevin
    J.
    Boyle,
    Ph.D.
    based
    on
    his pre-filed
    testimony
    in the
    above-captioned
    matter.
    The
    Agency
    reserves the
    right
    to ask additional
    follow-up
    questions
    as
    necessary.
    1.
    Has your
    approach
    for
    calculating
    economic
    benefits
    been
    used
    in
    other
    states
    to set
    water
    quality
    standards?
    If so,
    what
    states?
    And
    what
    action
    did
    these states
    take based
    on this
    approach?
    2.
    Does
    your
    report address
    any
    environmental
    benefits
    of
    this
    rulemaking
    from
    improved
    aquatic
    life
    uses?
    3.
    Explain
    where
    fishing
    fits
    into your
    analysis.
    Fishing
    is
    a
    recreational
    activity and
    the economic
    benefits
    of
    the
    proposed
    recreational
    uses
    would
    be
    reflected,
    but
    does your
    analysis
    reflect
    any
    economic
    benefits
    from
    improvements
    in
    the
    fish consumption
    use
    or from
    improvements
    to game
    fish
    species
    from
    improved
    aquatic
    life
    uses?

    4.
    What
    is a
    benefit-function transfer?
    5.
    Explain
    the
    difference
    between a linear
    and log
    linear equation?
    6.
    You testify that
    MWRDGC
    monitoring
    data was
    Used
    to calculate
    the Water Quality Index
    improvements
    of this
    rulemaking
    from 6.1 to 6.8.
    a.
    Was
    this ambient
    data or effluent
    data?
    b.
    Did you make these
    calculations
    or did
    someone else?
    c.
    Can
    you
    provide the Water
    Quality Index
    and resulting
    calculations for
    the
    Record?
    d.
    Do the
    improvements
    in the index
    reflect improvements
    to
    fecal coliform
    concentrations
    only or do
    they also reflect
    projected
    improvements
    to the temperature and
    dissolved
    oxygen conditions
    of the
    waterway?
    7.
    Can you provide
    a copy
    for
    the
    Record of the
    1986 survey of
    Chicago
    and surrounding
    communities’ residents
    that
    use
    the
    CAWS
    from
    your
    report and reference
    list?
    8.
    Explain
    your testimony
    that
    0MB
    2006
    Standards
    and Guidelines
    for
    Statistical Surveys
    says to
    use a
    value of
    80
    percent
    for
    the response rate
    variable? How would
    use of
    a
    different
    variable
    change the
    conclusions of
    your
    testimony?
    9.
    Please explain
    your calculation of
    the
    in-person
    interview variable.
    Why do you
    state that
    your use of
    a
    variable
    of
    one
    (1)
    is consistent
    with the
    National
    Oceanic
    and Atmospheric
    Administration’s
    Blue
    Ribbon Panel
    recommendations?
    2

    10.
    Explain how the
    Water
    Quality
    Recreational
    Use variable
    is
    calculated
    or derived?
    11.
    Have
    you considered
    the
    economic
    costs of recreation-related
    illnesses
    in your analysis?
    Would
    incorporating
    these costs
    result in
    additional
    economic benefits
    from this
    rulemaking?
    12.
    On page
    55
    (Exhibit
    2)
    you list the three
    journal articles you
    rely
    on
    for
    the Meta-analysis
    results,
    the
    adjustment for potentially
    over-stated
    values,
    and the percent
    of Chicago Area
    Waterway
    System users.
    Could you provide
    copies
    of these
    articles
    for the rulemaking Record?
    13.
    You list three
    guidance
    documents
    your analysis is based
    on
    or
    consistent
    with:
    0MB 2003
    Guidance
    on Development
    of Regulatory
    Analysis
    U.S. EPA’s
    2000
    Guidelines
    for Preparing Economic
    Analyses
    U.S.
    EPA’S 1995 Interim
    Economic Guidance
    for Water
    Quality
    Standards
    The 1995 U.S. EPA
    Guidance document
    is Attachment
    C to the
    Statement
    of Reasons. Are
    the other
    two
    guidance
    documents
    in
    the Record?
    Can
    you
    submit them?
    14.
    Please provide
    copies for the
    Record of any
    additional
    publications
    relied on or underlying
    data
    used in
    developing
    your
    recommendations
    that would
    have
    to be
    made
    available to
    the public by
    the
    Board
    or the
    Agency pursuant to
    the Illinois Administrative
    Procedure
    Act,
    5 ILCS
    I
    0015-40(b)(3.5).
    3

    Respecifully submitted,
    ILLINOIS
    ENVIRONMENTAL
    PROTECTION
    AGENCY
    Byi4
    Deborah J. Williams
    Assistant Counsel
    Dated:
    August
    22, 2008
    1021
    North Grand
    Avenue
    East
    P.O. Box 19276
    Springfield,
    Illinois 62794-9276
    (217)
    782-5544
    4

    BEFORE
    THE
    ILLINOIS
    POLLUTION
    CONTROL
    BOARD
    CEVE
    CLERK’S
    OFFICE
    )
    AUG25
    2008
    STATE
    OF
    ILLINOIS
    )
    R0809
    Pollution
    Control
    Board
    )
    (Rulemaking
    —Water)
    )
    )
    )
    )
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    Pre-Filed
    Questions
    for
    Southeast
    Environmenta[Task
    Force
    Witnesses
    Alan Mammoser
    and Victor
    Crivello
    The
    Illinois
    Environmental
    Protection
    Agency (“Illinois
    EPA”
    or
    “Agency”),
    by and
    through
    its
    attorneys,
    hereby
    submits
    its Pre-Filed
    Questions
    for
    Southeast
    Environmental
    Task
    Force Witnesses
    Alan Mammoser
    and
    Victor
    Crivello
    based
    on their
    pre-filed
    testimony
    in the
    above-captioned,
    matter.
    The
    Agency
    reserves
    the
    right to ask
    additional
    follow-up
    questions
    as necessary.
    Pre-filed
    questions
    for Victor
    Crivello
    How
    does
    the Lake
    Calu met
    Vision
    Committee
    promote
    public
    access
    and
    boating
    on
    Lake
    Calumet?
    Pre-filed
    questions
    for
    Alan
    Mammoser
    How
    does
    the
    Calumet
    Area Land
    Use Plan
    “focus
    on the
    creation
    of
    public
    access
    through
    small open
    spaces
    to the
    rivers.”
    (See
    page
    4
    of
    pre-filed
    testimony).
    How
    is
    disinfection
    a “key component
    to the
    success
    of the Calumet
    Area
    Vision
    Plan?”
    (See
    page
    7 of
    testimony).
    IN THE MATTER
    OP
    WATER
    QUALITY
    STANDARDS
    AND
    EFFLUENT
    LIMITATIONS
    FOR
    THE
    CHICAGO
    AREA
    WATERWAY
    SYSTEM
    AND
    THE
    LOWER
    DES
    PLAINES
    RIVER:
    PROPOSED
    AMENDMENTS
    TO
    35 III.
    Adm.
    Code
    Parts
    301, 302,
    303
    and 304)

    Respectfully
    submitted,
    ILLINOIS
    ENVIRONMENTAL
    PROTECTION
    AGENCY
    By:4
    Deborah J. WiIlia(iis
    Assistant
    Counsel
    Dated: August
    22,
    2008
    1021
    North Grand Avenue
    East
    P.O. Box
    19276
    Springfield,
    Illinois 62794-9276
    (217)
    782-5544
    2

    IN
    THE
    MATTER
    OF:
    WATER
    QUALITY
    STANDARDS
    AND
    EFFLUENT
    LIMITATIONS
    FOR
    THE
    CHICAGO
    AREA
    WATERWAY
    SYSTEM
    AND
    THE
    LOWER
    DES
    PLAINES
    RIVER:
    PROPOSED
    AMENDMENTS
    TO
    35
    III.
    Adm.
    Code
    Parts
    301,
    302,
    303 and
    304)
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    Pre-Filed
    Questions
    for
    Natural
    Resources
    Defense
    Council
    Witnesses
    Marc
    H. Gorelick,
    M.D.,
    Marilyn
    V.
    Yates,
    Ph.D.
    and
    Peter
    Orris,
    M.D.,
    M.P.H.
    The
    Illinois
    Environmental
    Protection
    Agency
    (“Illinois
    EPA”
    or “Agency”),
    by
    and
    through
    its
    attorneys,
    hereby
    submits
    its
    Pre-Filed
    Questions
    for
    Natural
    Resources
    Defense
    Council
    witnesses
    Drs.
    Marc
    H. Gorelick,
    Marilyn
    V.
    Yates
    and
    Peter
    Orris
    based
    on their
    pre-filed
    testimony
    in
    the above-captioned
    matter.
    The Agency
    reserves
    the
    right to
    ask additional
    follow-up
    questions
    as
    necessary.
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    Pre-filed
    questions
    for
    Marc
    Gorelick,
    M.D.
    and
    Peter
    Orris,
    M.D.,
    M.P.H.
    1.
    How would
    someone
    know
    if they
    had
    contracted
    an
    asymptomatic
    Giardia
    infection
    from
    recreational
    activity
    and
    passed
    it on
    to
    their
    family?
    2.
    What conclusions
    have
    you
    drawn
    from
    the
    Tables
    you
    include
    as
    Exhibits
    3
    and
    2 (respectively)
    to your
    testimonies?
    3.
    Why
    is a negative
    epidemiological
    result
    more
    difficult
    to
    interpret
    and apply
    than
    a
    positive
    one?
    BEFORE
    THE
    ILLINOIS
    POLLUTION
    CONTROL
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    25
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    OF
    ILLINQI
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    Board
    )
    )
    )
    )
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    )
    )
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    (Rulemaking
    Water)

    4.
    On
    page 11
    of Dr.
    Gorelick’s
    testimony
    it states “This
    may
    be
    especially
    true
    when
    water
    conditions
    are thought
    to be ore
    hazardous.”
    Did
    you
    mean
    to
    say
    “more”
    hazardous?
    5.
    Why would
    the
    District’s
    CHEERS
    study
    not fully
    reflect
    the
    potential
    danger
    of
    unintended
    ingestions
    and significant
    exposure
    to especially
    vulnerable
    individuals?
    6.
    Who are
    you
    referring
    to
    when
    you say
    “vulnerable
    individuals”?
    Questions
    for
    Marvlynn
    V.
    Yates, Ph.D.
    1.
    What
    major
    cities
    use disinfection?
    What
    smaller
    communities
    use
    disinfection?
    2.
    In your opinion,
    what were
    the
    analytical
    errors you
    found with
    the
    microbial
    risk
    assessment
    (“MRA”)
    study
    conducted
    by MWRDGC?
    3.
    In
    your
    opinion,
    why
    is
    MWRDGC’s
    epidemiological
    study
    (“CHEERS”)
    not a
    sufficient
    tool
    to
    assess
    the
    need
    for disinfection?
    How
    could
    the epidemiological
    study
    be useful
    in
    this
    rulemaking
    process?
    4.
    In
    your
    opinion,
    what
    would
    be
    a sufficient
    number
    of individuals
    for
    sampling
    in the
    CHEERS
    study? If
    you
    were
    to
    conduct
    an
    epidemiological
    study of
    the
    risk to recreators
    in these
    waters
    how
    would
    you
    go
    about it?
    5.
    Your
    testimony
    on
    page
    2 in the
    second
    bullet
    point states,
    “Previous
    studies
    of
    waterbodies
    with much
    lower
    concentrations
    of
    indicator
    bacteria
    in
    the
    CAWS
    have
    demonstrated
    risk
    to
    recreational
    users
    from
    2

    waterborne
    pathogens,
    even
    absent
    primary
    contact
    .
    .
    .use.”
    Can
    you
    provide
    citations
    to some
    of these
    studies
    for
    the
    Record?
    6.
    Why
    do
    you
    believe
    that
    U.S.
    EPA’s
    revised bacteria
    criteria
    will
    be
    more
    stringent
    than
    the
    current
    criteria
    rather
    than
    less
    stringent
    or simply
    more
    targeted
    to
    the
    better
    indicator
    organisms?
    7.
    Explain
    what
    you
    mean
    on
    page
    6 of
    your
    testimony
    when
    you
    state
    that
    viruses
    are
    species
    specific?
    8.
    Why
    is
    Geosyntec’s
    use of
    the
    term
    “enteric
    viruses”
    not
    an
    accurate
    characterization
    of
    the
    analysis
    performed?
    9.
    On
    page
    13
    you
    state
    “U.S.
    EPA
    has
    in
    recent
    years
    informally
    applied
    a
    standard
    of 5
    times
    the
    primary
    contact
    standard
    (sometimes
    as
    high
    as
    10 times),
    or a
    1,000
    cfu/1
    OOmL
    in
    evaluating
    proposed
    state
    standards
    for
    recreational
    waters
    in which
    non-primary
    contact
    recreation
    takes
    place.”
    Do
    you
    have
    an
    opinion
    on
    whether
    this
    informally applied
    standard
    is appropriate
    or
    based
    in
    scientific
    literature?
    Would
    you
    recommend
    a
    different
    non-primary
    contact
    numeric
    ambient
    water
    quality
    standard?
    10.
    You
    testify
    that
    the
    Agency’s fecal
    coliform
    general
    use
    water
    quality
    standard is
    30
    years
    old.
    Do
    you
    have
    an opinion
    on
    a better
    indicator
    of
    the
    presence of
    pathogenic organisms
    than
    fecal
    coliform,
    E
    coil
    or
    Enterococci?
    11.
    On
    page
    20
    you
    state
    “The
    process
    of disinfection
    itself
    is not
    susceptible
    to fine
    tuning,
    Its
    impact
    is binary.”
    Please
    explain
    this statement.
    3

    12.
    Is it
    your testimony
    that
    the
    risk levels
    of
    8 in
    1,000
    illnesses
    for
    freshwater
    and
    19
    in 1,000
    illnesses
    for
    marine
    waters
    are
    arbitrary?
    1
    3.
    On
    page 24
    you
    state
    that
    invalid
    ampling
    methods
    were
    used
    in
    MWRD’s
    Dry
    Weather
    Risk
    Assessment.
    Please
    explain
    which
    sampling
    methods
    you
    think
    are
    flawed?
    14.
    On
    page
    26 you
    list
    a
    number
    of informational
    gaps
    in
    MWRD’s
    Dry
    Weather
    Risk
    Assessment.
    Have
    you
    received
    answers
    to
    fill
    in these
    gaps
    by
    reviewing
    additional
    pre-filed
    doqumentation from
    the
    District?
    15.
    You
    testify
    on
    page
    28, bullet
    I that
    “people
    canoeing
    on
    clean
    water
    are
    much
    more
    likely
    to
    be
    careful
    to
    avoid
    accidental
    immersion
    and
    otherwise
    behave
    in a manner
    unlikely
    to
    result
    in
    ingestion
    of water.”
    Do you
    mean
    to
    say contaminated
    water instead
    of
    clean
    water?
    Or that
    they
    are
    less
    likely
    instead
    of more
    likely?
    Respectfully
    submitted,
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    Dated:
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    22,
    2008
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    OF:
    )
    )
    WATER
    QUALITY
    STANDARDS
    AND
    )
    EFFLUENT
    LIMITATIONS
    FOR
    THE
    )
    CHICAGO
    AREA
    WATERWAY
    SYSTEM
    )
    AND
    THE
    LOWER
    DES
    PLAINES
    RIVER:
    )
    PROPOSED
    AMENDMENTS
    TO
    35111.
    )
    Adm.
    Code
    Parts 301,
    302,
    303
    and
    304
    )
    ILLINOIS
    EPA’S
    PRE-FILED
    QUESTIONS
    FOR
    ENVIRONMENTAL
    LAW
    AND
    POLICY
    CENTER
    WITNESSES
    The
    Illinois
    Environmental
    Protection
    Agency
    (“illinois
    EPA”
    or
    “Agency”)
    by and
    through
    its
    attorneys,
    hereby
    files pre-filéd
    questions
    to Environmental,
    Law
    and
    Policy
    Center
    regarding
    the
    pre-filed
    testimony
    oftheir
    various
    witnesses
    in
    the above
    captioned
    case.
    The
    Agency
    reserves
    the right
    to
    ask
    additional
    follow-up
    questions
    if necessary.
    Questions for Gerald
    W.
    Adelmann
    (Openlands)
    1) Can
    you please
    give
    us some
    names
    of
    the waterfowl
    migrating
    through
    this
    region?,
    2)
    On
    page
    2 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “...
    and will
    help
    shape
    smart
    growth
    throughout
    the
    Greater
    Chicagoland
    area
    for
    years
    to
    come.”
    How
    will
    this
    proposal
    help
    shape
    “smart
    growth”?
    3)
    How
    does
    Openlands work with
    local
    governments
    to
    increase
    the
    number
    of
    available
    non-motorized
    boat
    launches?
    4)
    How
    is “safe
    and
    adequate
    paddling
    access’
    defined?
    5)
    What
    is the
    May
    2000
    CAWS
    study
    you
    cite
    in
    your
    pre-filed
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    OFFICE
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    Control
    Board
    testimony?
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    Questions
    for
    Laura
    Barghusen
    (Openlands)
    1) What
    local
    and
    state
    agencies
    do you
    partner
    with?
    2)
    What
    does
    this
    partnership
    consistent
    of?
    3)
    What
    is
    a
    “water
    trail”?
    4) How
    do these
    “water
    trail”
    plans get
    approved?
    5) How
    are
    the various
    launches
    chosen?.
    6)
    When
    do you think
    the
    seven proposed
    launch
    sites along
    the
    stretches
    of
    the
    CAWS
    and
    Lower Des
    Plaines
    River will
    be
    approved?
    7)
    On
    page 2 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “The
    Lower
    Des
    Plaines River
    (LDPR)
    below
    the
    confluence
    of
    the Chicago
    Sanitary
    and
    Ship
    Cahal
    (CSSC)
    is
    part of the
    Northeastern
    Illinois
    Regional
    Water
    Trail Plan.
    However,
    it was
    characterize
    in 1999
    as ‘major
    improvements
    needed,’
    . .
    .“ What
    major
    improvements
    are needed?
    Is
    safety
    a concern?
    -
    8) On
    page
    5 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “These
    include
    and
    unimproved
    access point
    . .
    .“ What is
    an “unimproved
    access
    point”?
    Are
    they
    safe?
    9)
    On page 8
    of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “The
    interest
    that
    college
    and
    high school
    rowing
    teams
    are
    showing in
    using
    the
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel for
    regattas
    indicates
    that
    this
    use
    is very
    likely
    2

    to
    continue
    to
    increase
    in the
    future.”
    What
    information
    is
    given to
    the
    participants
    about
    water
    quality
    and
    safety
    precautions?
    Questions
    for
    Dr. David
    L.
    Thomas
    1) In
    your
    opinion,
    why
    do
    you
    believe
    it is
    sensible to
    determine
    the
    highest
    attainable
    aquatic
    use
    of a
    waterway
    by
    studying
    the physical
    characteristics?
    2)
    In
    your
    opinion,
    why
    do
    you
    believe
    that
    the
    QHEI
    is
    a.
    sound
    methodology
    for
    assessing
    physical
    habitat?
    3) Do you
    know
    if this
    methodology
    is accepted
    in otherstates,
    specifically
    Region
    5 states?
    4) Why
    do
    you believe
    that
    it is
    a
    reasonable
    conclusion
    that
    a
    QHEI
    score
    of 60
    generally
    indicates
    that
    a
    waterway
    can attain
    the Clean
    Water
    Act
    goal
    of a balanced
    indigenous
    population
    of
    fish?
    5)
    What do
    you mean
    by
    “generally?
    6)
    What
    do you
    mean when
    you
    say you
    understand
    the
    arguments
    with
    respect
    to
    a QHEI
    score
    of
    45-60 in that
    it
    may
    be
    able to meet
    thern.
    Clean
    Water
    Act Goal,
    depending
    on the
    particular
    characteristics
    of
    the
    area?
    7)
    What
    would
    those particular
    characteristics
    be?
    8)
    Why
    do you believe
    that the
    Upper Dresden
    Island
    Pool can
    support
    a
    more
    balanced
    and
    diverse
    fish
    population?
    9)
    What
    experience
    are
    you referring
    to
    with
    respect
    to contaminated
    sediments?
    3

    10)
    Explain
    why
    you
    state
    would be
    “surprised
    if
    spawning
    does not
    currently
    take
    place”
    in the
    Use
    A
    waters
    “for
    those species
    that
    are
    common
    to the
    waterway”.
    Pro-filed
    questions
    for
    Margaret
    Frisbee
    1) On
    page
    3 of
    you pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “Over
    the past 11
    years, these
    guides
    have
    taken at least
    2,640
    people canoeing
    on
    the
    North
    Shore Channel,
    North Branch
    of
    the
    Chicago
    River, Main
    Stem,
    South
    Branch,
    down
    Bubble
    Creek and
    along the
    Chicago
    Sanitary
    and
    Ship
    Canal
    • .“
    What
    information
    do they
    receive
    on
    the water
    quality?
    Do
    you know
    if
    any
    of the
    guides
    gotten
    sick
    from contact
    with
    the
    water? Do
    you
    know
    if any of
    the guides
    had
    to visit
    the
    doctor?
    Do you
    know if
    any
    guests
    have gotten
    sick?
    2) On
    page 5
    of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    mention,
    “The Chicago
    River
    Agenda
    ..
    .“ Who wrote
    the
    report?
    V
    3)
    In
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you refer
    to
    a
    “state-sanctioned
    water
    trails.”
    Please
    explain
    what
    this is.
    - V
    R sp
    ctfullysub
    1
    t
    Stefanie
    N. Diers
    Dated:
    August22,
    2008
    Illinois
    Environmental
    Protection
    Agency
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    North
    Grand
    Avenue
    East
    Post Office
    Box
    19276
    Springfield,
    Illinois
    62794-9276
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    IN THE
    MATTER
    OF:
    WATER
    QUALITY
    STANDARDS
    AND
    EFFLUENT
    LIMITATIONS
    FOR
    THE
    CHICAGO
    AREA
    WATERWAY
    SYSTEM
    AND
    THE LOWER
    DES
    PLAINES
    RIVER:
    PROPOSED
    AMENDMENTS
    TO 35111.
    Adm.
    Code
    Parts 301,
    302,
    303 and
    304)
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    Pre-Filed
    Questions
    for
    Corn
    Products
    witness
    Alan
    J. Jirik
    The Illinois
    Environmental
    Protection
    Agency
    (“Illinois
    EPA”
    or
    “Agency”),
    by
    and
    through
    its
    attorneys,
    hereby submits
    its
    Pre-Filed
    Questions
    for Corn
    Products
    witness
    Alan J.
    Jirik
    based
    on his pre-filed
    testimony
    in
    the
    above-captioned
    matter.
    The
    Agency
    reserves
    the right
    to ask
    additional
    follow-up
    questions
    as
    necessary.
    1.
    Your
    testimony
    indicates
    that
    Corn
    Products
    uses
    the
    waters
    of the
    Chicago
    Sanitary
    and Ship
    Canal
    at its
    Argo
    Plant
    for non-contact
    cooling
    purposes.
    a.
    Does
    Corn
    Products
    take intake
    temperature
    measurements
    of
    these waters?
    Does
    Corn Products
    take
    effluent
    temperature
    measurements?
    How
    frequently?
    b.
    What
    restrictions
    are
    placed
    in
    Corn
    Products
    NPDES
    permit
    regarding
    the
    effluent temperatures?
    2.
    What
    proportion
    of the
    Argo
    Plant’s
    effluent
    is
    discharged
    to the
    CSSC?
    What portion
    is sent
    to MWRDGC
    for
    treatment?
    3.
    On
    page
    3 of your
    testimony,
    you state
    that
    the
    CSSC
    is a
    “relatively
    recently
    created
    artificial
    man-made
    channel.”
    Recently
    created
    in relation
    to
    what?
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    4.
    On
    page 3
    of your
    testimony
    you
    state that
    the
    CSSC
    is
    more
    like an
    aqueduct
    than
    a
    natural
    stream
    or
    river.
    Explain
    how
    this
    is this
    different
    from
    the
    Chicago
    River,
    North
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    below
    North
    Avenue
    Turning
    Basin,
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River,
    South
    Fork
    of
    South
    Branch,
    Brandon
    Pool,
    Lake
    Calumet
    connecting
    channel
    and
    the CAWS
    and
    Brandon
    Pool
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use B
    segment
    of
    Calumet
    River?
    What
    are the
    criteria
    that
    differentiate
    an
    “aqueduct”
    from
    a stream?
    5.
    Your
    testimony
    states
    that
    the
    CSSC
    provides
    a
    commercially
    important
    navigation
    function.
    Is this
    different
    from
    the
    Upper
    Dresden
    Island
    Pool,
    Brandon
    Pool,
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    and
    Cal-Sag
    Channel?
    6.
    On
    page
    3 of your
    testimony
    you state
    that
    small
    boats
    cannot
    safely
    navigate
    the
    CSSC
    due
    to
    the
    wakes
    from
    larger
    boats
    and
    barges
    and recreational
    users
    cannot
    easily
    exit the
    water.
    Is this
    different
    from
    the
    Brandon
    Pool
    or
    the
    North
    and
    South
    Branches
    of
    the Chicago
    River?
    How
    is it different?
    7.
    Are
    you
    aware
    of
    the existence
    of
    the
    Western
    Avenue
    and Summit
    Boat
    launches
    which
    allow
    hand-powered
    boat
    access
    to the
    CSSC?
    -
    8.
    On
    page
    4 of
    your
    testimony
    you
    cite
    to
    page
    36
    of the
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    Statement
    of
    Reasons
    to support
    the fact
    that
    MWRCGC
    prohibits
    wading
    in the
    CSSC.
    Doesn’t
    the
    Statement
    of Reasons
    actually
    state
    that
    “wading
    is
    prohibited
    by
    MWRDGC
    on
    all of
    the
    human-made
    reaches
    of
    CAWS,
    including:
    North
    Shore
    Channel,
    the
    upper
    North
    Branch
    Chicago
    River,
    CSSC,
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    and
    Lake
    Calu
    met”?
    9.
    On page
    5 you
    testify
    regarding
    the
    vertical
    walls
    or steep
    slopes
    in
    the
    CSSC.
    Wouldn’t
    this
    also
    describe
    the South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River,
    South
    Fork
    of
    the
    2

    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River,
    Chicago
    River
    and North
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    downstream
    of
    the
    North
    Avenue
    turning
    basin?
    10.
    You state
    on
    page
    6 that
    “Taken
    from
    a
    biological
    perspective,
    the
    Sanitary
    & Ship
    Canal
    therefore
    essentially
    terminates
    at
    the fish
    barrier.”
    Please
    explain
    what
    is meant
    by
    this statement?
    11.
    Explain
    why
    you believe
    that
    the
    CSSC
    is sufficiently
    distinct
    to
    support
    a
    unique
    use classification
    for
    aquatic
    life uses?
    Explain
    why
    you
    believe
    that
    the
    CSSC
    is
    sufficiently
    distinct
    to
    support
    a
    unique
    use classification
    for
    recreational
    uses?
    12.
    How
    would
    you
    define
    the
    CAWS
    Use
    C
    waters
    for
    regulatory
    purpoes?
    13.
    How
    will you
    distinguish
    the CSSC
    from
    the
    reach
    of North
    Branch
    Chicago
    River that
    extends
    from
    the
    south
    end of
    the North
    Avenue
    Turning
    Basin
    to
    its
    confluence
    with
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    and Chicago
    River?
    a.
    From
    Chicago
    River?
    b.
    From
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    to
    its
    South
    Fork?
    c.
    From
    Calumet
    River
    from
    Lake
    Michigan
    to
    Torrence
    Avenue?
    d.
    From
    the Lake
    Calumet
    Connecting
    Channel?
    e.
    From
    the Lower
    Des
    Plaines
    River
    from its
    confluence
    with
    the
    CSSC
    to
    the
    Brandon
    Road
    Lock and
    Dam?
    14.
    Will you
    be
    proposing
    language
    to
    the
    Board
    for aquatic
    life or
    recreational
    uses
    of
    the CSSC?
    15.
    You
    quote
    from the
    Board
    opinion
    in
    AS
    96-10
    to
    conclude
    that
    the
    Board
    has
    recognized
    the
    unique
    character
    of the
    CSSC.
    Did
    this
    opinion
    distinguish
    the
    CSSC
    from
    the
    Lower
    Des
    Plaines
    River
    or
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River?
    3

    16.
    How
    would
    your
    facility
    be impacted
    if the
    electrical
    generating
    facilities
    located
    upstream
    were
    required
    to
    add
    supplemental
    cooling
    capacity?
    Respectfully
    submitted,
    ILLINOIS
    ENVIRONMENTAL
    PROTECTION
    AGENCY
    By:__________________
    Deborah
    J.
    Williams
    Assistant
    Counsel
    Dated:
    August
    22,
    2008
    1021
    North
    Grand
    Avenue
    East
    P.O.
    Box
    19276
    Springfield,
    Illinois
    62794-9276
    (217)
    782-5544
    4

    BEFORE THE
    ILLINOIS
    POLLUTION CONTROL
    BOARD
    CLERK’S
    OFFICE
    AUG
    25
    2008
    IN THE
    MATTER OF:
    )
    STATE
    OF
    ILLINOIS
    Pollution
    Control
    Board
    WATER
    QUALITY STANDARDS
    AND
    )
    EFFLUENT
    LIMITATIONS
    FOR
    THE
    )
    R08-09
    CHICAGO
    AREA WATERWAY
    SYSTEM
    )
    (Rulemaking
    - Water)
    .AND
    THE LOWER DES
    PLAINES RIVER:
    )
    PROPOSED
    AMENDMENTS
    TO
    35111.
    )
    Adm.
    Code
    Parts3Ol,
    302,
    303 and 304
    )
    ILLINOIS
    EPA’S
    PRE-FILED
    QUESTIONS FOR
    ROBERT S. ELVERT
    The
    Illinois
    Environmental
    Protection Agency (“Illinois EPA”
    or
    “Agency”),
    by
    and through
    its
    attorney,
    hereby files the following pre-filed
    questions to
    Exxon
    Mobil
    regarding the pre-filed testimony of Robert
    S.
    Elvert in the
    above-captioned
    case. The Agency
    reserves
    the right
    to ask additional
    follow-up
    questions if
    necessary.
    1.
    Can you describe the
    recreational
    uses
    you have
    observed near the
    Joliet refinery upstream of
    the
    -55
    Bridge?
    V 2.
    Can you describe the
    recreational uses you have
    observed near the
    Joliet refinery downstream
    of the
    1-55
    Bridge?
    3.
    Do you believe the
    current recreational uses of the
    Lower Des
    Plaines
    River represent a
    security risk
    at
    your
    facility?
    If
    so, please state
    why?
    4.
    Do you
    believe the
    current
    recreational
    uses of the
    Lower
    Des Plaines
    River represent a
    safety risk
    to the
    recreational user?
    If so,
    please
    state
    why?
    5.
    Why
    do believe a
    change in use
    from
    Secondary
    Contact to
    Incidental
    Contact will encourage
    increased recreational
    use
    of the Upper
    Dresden Island Pool?
    1

    6.
    On
    page
    5
    of your
    testimony
    you
    use the
    term
    “federally
    protected
    Energy
    facility.”
    What
    is the definition
    of this
    term?
    7.
    On page
    5 of your
    testimony
    you
    call
    the Joliet refinery
    a “U.S.
    Coast
    Guard
    governed
    facility.”
    What is
    the
    definition
    of
    this
    term?
    8.
    If
    you
    are
    not supporting
    an incidental
    contact
    recreational
    use
    designation
    as
    proposed
    by
    Illinois
    EPA,
    what would
    you
    propose
    for
    the
    Upper
    Dresden
    Island
    Pool?
    9.
    Where
    did
    you
    get
    the figures
    cited
    on
    page
    3 of
    your.pre-filed
    testimony?
    10.
    Can you
    cite in
    the record
    where people
    testified
    that there
    would
    be
    increased
    recreational
    use
    in
    the
    Upper Dresden
    Island
    Pool?
    11.
    Please
    state
    what
    your additional
    safety
    concerns
    are?
    12.
    What
    local
    and
    state agencies
    are
    you referring
    to
    on page
    6 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony?
    13.
    How do think
    the
    Agency
    could
    address
    these
    concerns
    in its proposal
    now
    before
    the
    Board?
    14.
    On
    page
    2 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “... will
    encourage
    increased
    use
    of the
    Dresden
    Pool,
    and consequently,
    increased
    numbers
    of recreational
    users
    may
    be
    placed
    in
    danger since
    the
    Dresden
    Pool
    ... is heavily
    used to navigate
    barges
    in and
    out of the
    area.”
    Are there
    fleeting
    operations
    in
    General
    Use Waters?
    Do
    you
    know
    how they
    deal
    with the
    safety/security
    issues
    that
    you
    have
    brought
    up?
    Do
    you know
    if
    they
    allow
    boaters
    to use
    the
    waters?
    2

    15.
    On
    page 4 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “... witnesses indicated
    that the CAWS
    and
    Lower Des
    Plaines
    River will
    continue
    to see an
    increased
    use by
    canoes,
    kayaks, and
    other small
    watercraft
    if the
    proposed rules
    are
    adopted.”
    Can you please
    explain
    how you came
    to
    this conclusion?
    16.
    Would you agree that
    your safety
    concerns cannot be
    addressed in
    setting
    •water quality standards?
    17.
    On page 3 of your pre-filed testimony
    you
    discuss
    the
    periodic
    existence
    of double barges being
    110 feet wide in
    the
    areas where
    the
    pool
    is 500
    feet wide. Is
    a clear
    path
    of 4/5ths of the waterway, especially
    around
    Treats Island and other side stream
    areas not
    enough space
    for
    hand
    powered watercraft
    to avoid the commercial activity in the Upper
    Dresden
    • Island Pool?
    18.
    Do
    you
    have photographs Or any other evidence (other than
    the
    drowning
    mentioned in your pre-filed testimony) of small crafts being
    overwhelmed
    by the barges
    inthe
    pool?
    19.
    Was
    the cited
    drowning
    the result of wakes?
    20.
    Is the
    pooi
    a
    straight-walled channel or
    does it
    have side zones
    with
    more
    gradual banks that buffer
    or absorb wakes?
    3

    21.
    Is
    your
    “specific
    designated
    area”
    demarcated
    with signs
    or other warning
    systems?
    If so, are
    the
    warnings
    obvious
    to
    recreational
    users?
    Respectfully
    submitted
    Stefanie
    N. iers
    Dated:
    August 22,
    2008
    Illinois Environmental
    Protection
    Agency
    1021 North
    Grand
    Avenue
    East
    Post
    Office
    Box
    19276
    Springfield,
    Illinois
    62794-9276
    217-782-5544
    4

    BEFORE
    THE
    ILLINOIS
    POLLUTION CONTROL
    BOARD
    CRVEc
    RKS
    OFFICE
    IN THE MATTER
    OF:
    )
    AUG
    25
    2008
    STATE
    OF
    ILLINOIS
    WATER
    QUALITY
    STANDARDS
    AND
    )
    Pollution
    Control
    Board
    EFFLUENT
    LIMITATIONS
    FOR
    THE
    )
    CHICAGO AREA
    WATERWAY
    SYSTEM
    )
    AND
    THE
    LOWER
    DES
    PLAIN ES RIVER:
    ).
    PROPOSED
    AMENDMENTS
    TO 35
    III.
    )
    Adm.CodeParts3Ol,302,303and304
    )
    V
    ILLINOIS
    EPA’S PRE-FILED
    QUESTIONS
    FOR
    JAMES
    HUFF, P.E.
    The
    Illinois
    Environmental Protection
    Agency
    (“Illinois
    EPA” or
    “Agency”)
    by
    and
    through
    its attorneys,
    hereby
    files
    the
    following
    pre-filed
    questions
    to
    CITGO
    Petroleum
    and.PDV Midwest,
    LLC, regarding
    the
    pre-filed
    testimony
    of
    James
    E.
    Huff, P.E. in the
    above-captioned
    case. The
    Agency reserves
    the
    right
    to
    ask
    additional
    follow-up questions
    if
    necessary.
    1) On
    page 2 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony you state
    that you
    have
    reviewed
    “many”
    reports
    submitted
    into the
    record,
    could
    you please
    state
    what
    reports you are referring
    to?
    2)
    Are you
    proposing
    that
    the CSSC
    shouldbe
    made
    into its own
    separate
    category,
    how
    would
    you describe this new
    category?
    3)
    What water quality
    standards
    would
    you propose
    for CSSC?
    4)
    How
    would
    you
    address
    the
    violations of
    the
    chloride
    standard during
    the
    winter months?
    5)
    Can
    you
    please
    explain how
    you go
    about
    developing a best
    management
    practice
    for
    chlorides
    and
    sulfates
    in place of winter
    water
    quality
    standards?
    R08-09
    (Rulemaking
    — Water)

    6)
    On
    page 2 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “I have
    also
    evaluated
    the impact
    the
    proposed
    use
    designation
    will
    have
    on
    Citgo and
    Corn
    Products.”
    What
    are
    the
    impacts
    on Citgo
    and
    Corn Products?
    7)
    On
    page
    2 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    ‘With the
    exception
    of
    the
    Lake
    Calumet
    Connecting
    Channel,
    all of
    the
    waterways
    in
    this
    group
    are natural
    waterways.”
    Could
    you define
    “natural waterway”?
    In your
    opinion,
    are
    the
    waterways
    deep-draft
    shipping
    channels
    with
    limited
    habitat?
    .8).
    Page 3, paragraph
    3 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “There
    is
    no
    other
    water body
    in
    the
    Chicago Area
    Waterway
    System
    (CAWS)
    which
    has the
    unique
    physical features,
    commercial
    shipping,
    discharge
    loadings,
    and
    lack
    of appropriate
    habitat
    for
    aquatic
    life,
    as
    does
    the Ship Canal.”
    Other
    than the
    fact that
    the Brandon
    Pool is
    not
    in the
    CAWS,
    could
    you
    describe
    how the
    CSSC
    is
    different from
    Brandon
    Pool?
    9)
    From an
    aquatic
    life habitat
    stand
    point,
    how does
    the
    CSSC
    differS
    -
    from
    the
    upper
    Calumet
    River?
    Lower
    North
    Branch Chicago
    River?
    Chicago
    River?
    Upper
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River?
    10)
    On
    page 2 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “When
    barges
    pass,
    the
    physical
    design
    of the
    canal
    functions
    as
    a dangerous
    wave
    machine
    that amplifies
    the
    wake
    and
    creates
    very
    large waves
    when
    the
    barges
    wakes
    bounce
    off
    the
    vertical
    walls.”
    In
    this regard,
    how
    does
    the
    CSSC
    differ from
    the
    upper Calumet
    River?
    From
    portions
    of
    2

    the
    North Branch
    Chicago
    River
    and
    South
    Branch
    Chicago River not
    governed
    by the
    no-wake
    zones?
    II) Are
    you
    aware
    of the
    existence
    of the Western
    Avenue
    and
    Summit
    Boat
    launches, which
    allow
    hand-powered
    boats
    access to
    the
    CSSC?
    V
    12)
    In various parts
    of your pre-f
    lIed
    testimony
    you
    discuss the
    fish
    barrier. Doesn’t
    the upper
    CSSC, upstream
    of
    the electrical fish
    barrier, constitute a
    waterway
    link between
    the Chicago
    and Calumet
    River systems,
    providing for
    aquatic
    life
    movement
    between
    the two
    systems?
    13)
    On page 3 of
    your pre-filed testimony
    you
    state,
    “A single canoe,
    sculling
    or
    hand powered
    boat was observed
    over
    the
    28
    days.”
    At
    the time of the study,
    were
    there
    any operating
    boat launches in
    the
    CSSC?
    14)
    On page 4
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony you state,
    “The
    safest
    thing
    is
    -
    to
    keep people
    out of
    the
    water entirely”.
    Oäes
    the U.S. Army
    Corps of
    Engineers
    prohibit
    recreation
    in and around
    the electric
    barrier?
    15)
    On
    page 7
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony you
    state,
    “... make two
    significant
    assumptions.
    First, that
    fish
    passage
    even occurs
    or
    second fish
    passage is
    even desirable.”
    If
    as
    you say
    there
    is no
    fish
    passage,
    shouldn’t
    we still
    protect
    the
    existing
    aquatic
    3

    community?
    What
    about
    fish that
    swim
    from
    the
    Calumet
    system
    to
    the Chicago
    River
    system
    and vice
    versa?
    Tern
    peratu
    re
    I)
    On
    page
    13
    paragraph
    I of your
    pre-fUed
    testimony
    you
    state
    “In
    essence,
    the
    Agency
    discounted
    Mr.
    Yoder’s
    analysis,
    and set
    the
    non-summer
    temperatures
    so that the
    MWRDGC
    would
    not
    have
    to
    install cooling
    towers.”
    Shouldn’t
    the
    source
    of
    water
    be the
    “background”
    temperature?
    2)
    On
    pages 4
    and 5,
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “On
    an
    annual
    average,
    the municipal
    treatment
    plants
    contribute
    70
    percent
    of the
    total flow
    exiting
    the
    Ship
    Canal
    at
    Lockport.”
    Because
    70 percent
    Of
    the
    flow is
    from the
    municipal
    treatment
    plants,
    aren’t
    these
    plants
    the source
    of water?
    3)
    On
    page
    13 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “the
    Agency
    discounted
    Mr.
    Yoder’s
    analysis,
    and
    set the
    non-summer
    temperatures
    so
    that
    the
    MWRDGC
    would not
    have to
    install
    cooling
    towers.”
    Did Mr.
    Yoder
    propose
    limits
    in his
    document
    titled
    “Temperature
    Criteria Options
    for
    The Lower
    Des
    Plaines River”
    (Exhibit
    15)?
    4)
    On page
    13
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “No attempt
    was
    made to
    look
    at the Ship
    Canal
    temperatures
    at the
    edge of
    the
    mixing zones
    from
    these
    industrial
    discharges.”
    Do
    any of these
    facilities
    have defined
    mixing
    zones?
    4

    5)
    On page 13 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “what
    about
    the
    ‘optimum’
    amount
    of barge
    traffic
    for fish
    (undoubtedly
    zero)?”
    Should
    the
    Agency
    ignore the Clean Water
    Act and
    restrict barge
    traffic (a
    protected
    use)?
    6)
    On
    page
    14
    of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “Over
    the
    years
    there
    appears to be
    a general increase
    in
    its
    population.” Is
    100
    °F
    protective for
    bluntnose
    minhow?
    Do
    believe
    the
    current
    standard
    will
    protect the
    bluntnose minnow?
    What
    about the
    proposed
    standards?
    You also state
    “There is no
    indication
    thaf the
    bluntnose minnow
    is being
    negatively affected
    by
    the current
    temperature
    regime in
    the Ship Canal.” What
    evidence did you
    find
    that the temperature
    regime is not
    impacting the blunt nbse
    minnow?
    7)
    On Page 14
    of
    your
    pre-filed testimony
    you
    state,
    “If
    thermal
    is what
    is
    limiting the
    fish quality/populations,
    then one should
    see a
    dramatic
    drop in
    fish
    diversity,
    IBI,
    and
    fish
    population at the -
    downstream
    stations.
    At Cicero Avenue, immediately
    below
    two
    of
    the
    coal-fired power
    plants,
    the
    MWRDGC
    found the greatest
    fish
    diversity (19
    species).” When
    was this sample
    collected?
    8)
    On
    page 15,
    bullet point I of your
    pre-filed testimony
    you state,
    “If
    the
    bluntnose
    minnow
    is
    as sensitive
    to
    temperature
    as
    the
    laboratory
    studies indicate, why
    do they
    represent
    a significant
    5

    portion of the
    fish
    population?”
    Are temperatures in the CSSC the
    same from
    beginning
    to end?
    9)
    Page 15, bullet
    point
    4 of
    your pre-filed testimony you
    state,
    “If all
    eight fish
    species
    already
    exist in the waterway and are not shown
    through
    field collection
    studies to
    be negatively
    impacted
    by the
    current temperature
    regime,
    then
    given
    the documented habitat
    limitations
    on the Ship
    Canal, what benefits will be derived from
    more restrictive
    temperature
    limitations
    on
    the Ship Canal?”
    How
    have field collection
    studies shown
    that the fish species are
    not
    negatively
    impacted by the current
    temperature regime? What
    is
    the minimum
    amount of scientific
    information required
    to
    prove that
    aquatic
    life in CSSC are not
    being negatively impacted?
    10)
    On
    your Page 11 of your pre-filed
    testimony you state that there
    are
    two
    methods for setting thermal
    water quality standards. Please
    identify a state that has set thermal
    water
    quality
    standards
    based
    solely on
    field data and what methodology
    was used?
    Respectfully submitted,
    cAJke&
    Deborah J. With
    s, Assistant
    Counsel
    Dated: August 22, 2008
    Illinois Environmental Protection Agency
    1021 North Grand Avenue East
    Post Office
    Box 19276
    Springfield, Illinois 62794-9276
    217-782-5544
    6

    BEFORE THE
    ILLINOIS
    POLLUTION
    CONTROL
    BOARD
    IN THE
    MATTER OF:
    )
    AUG
    25
    20O
    WATER
    QUALITY STANDARDS
    AND
    )
    )
    POllUtjOfl
    STATE
    OF
    Control
    1LLlN
    Bod
    EFFLUENT LIMITATIONS
    FOR
    THE
    )
    R08-09
    CHICAGO
    AREA WATERWAY
    SYSTEM
    )
    (Rulemaking
    -Water)
    AND THE LOWER DES
    PLAINES RIVER:
    )
    PROPOSED
    AMENDMENTS
    TO 35111.
    )
    Adm. CodeParts30l,302,
    303 and 304
    )
    ILLINOIS EPA’S
    PRE-FILED
    QUESTIONS FOR
    STEPAN
    COMPANY’S
    WITNESSES
    CARL ADAMS AND ROBIN
    GARIBAY
    The
    Illinois Environmental Protection
    Agency
    (“Illinois
    EPA” or “Agency”)
    by and through
    its attorneys, hereby submits
    pre-flled
    questions
    to Stepan
    Company
    regarding the pre-filed testimony of their witnesses
    in the above
    captioned case. The Agency reserves
    the right to
    ask
    additional
    follow-up
    questions
    if
    necessary.
    1.
    Explain your analysis specifically with the
    impacts related to
    temperature,
    dissolved oxygen, disinfection?
    2.
    When did you begin
    this study for Stepan?
    3.
    Who
    participated in
    developing the task of this study?
    4.
    What data was provided
    to
    you
    by Stepan for your analysis?
    5.
    What other
    information did you obtain based on your knowledge and
    experience in
    the
    wastewater field?
    6.
    Who
    did you
    consult with
    at the Millsdale plant
    to develop your
    findings?
    7.
    When did you
    visit
    the
    Millsdale
    plant?
    8.
    When you state
    that you supervised
    and requested
    efforts from
    1

    several individuals
    are you referring to
    individuals
    who
    work
    at
    ENVIRON?
    9.
    What is
    ENVIRON?
    10.
    Mr. Adams can you
    please explain your role in
    preparing this
    study?
    11.
    Robin Garibay can
    you please explain your role in
    preparing this
    study?
    12.
    What
    was
    the time
    period for the 600 results
    generated to monitor
    the quality of effluent discharged to
    the Lower Des Plaines
    River?
    13.
    How did
    you
    come
    up with the conditions
    on page 4 of your Exhibit.
    A?
    V
    14.
    Please provide the details of the evaluation you
    refer to
    on page 10
    of Exhibit A with respect to the effluent bacteria standard proposed by Illinois
    EPA.
    15.
    On page 11 of Exhibit A, you state the Illinois
    EPA
    has not
    developed the
    data to
    assess the
    assimilative capadity
    of
    the
    Upper
    Dresden Island Pool water for dissolved oxygen; in your opinion what
    data would
    be
    needed to do such an analysis?
    16.
    What
    were
    the cross-media impacts your study found?
    17.
    What is the
    margin of safety you are referring to in your
    analysis?
    18.
    What
    environmental damage would be caused
    by having Illinois
    EPA’s
    proposal adopted?
    I
    9.
    When did
    Stepan begin to
    evaluate whether
    additional controls
    would
    be
    necessary
    to assure compliance with
    certain
    metals and
    salt
    criteria?
    20.
    What evalUation has been done with respect to this issue?
    2

    21.
    Have any
    controls
    been
    determined?
    If
    so, what?
    22.
    What
    metals are
    you considered
    with?
    23.
    Is road salt an
    issue
    in winter
    months for
    Stepan?
    24.
    Why
    did your
    conclusions
    not address the impact
    on the
    river directly?
    25.
    Why have you
    concluded Stepan
    will
    have no mixing zone for
    temperature?
    ..
    26.
    What upstream river
    temperatures did you assume
    in drawing
    this
    conclusion? .
    V
    27.
    On page 3 of your pre-filed testimony you
    state, “without the option
    of
    a
    mixing zone due to upstream sources of warm effluent and the general
    nature of
    the LDPR.” What is the general nature
    of
    the Lower Des Plaines River
    that
    you
    are referring
    to
    in the context of the mixing zone?
    28.
    Do you think Stepan will have
    trouble meeting
    both the summer
    and
    winter
    temperatures?
    V
    V
    29.
    On
    pane 4, bullet point 2 of
    the pre-filed
    testimony you state, “...
    engineering
    will be such that the
    daily temperature
    will
    be at the
    proposed ‘period
    average
    temperature
    Vstandards.
    Therefore,
    the
    potential
    Ouffall 001
    temperature
    discharge limits are
    equal to the proposed
    ‘period average
    temperature
    standards’. For
    engineering design, a margin-of-safety
    of 3°F would
    be
    applied.” Based on this
    statement,
    are
    you
    saying
    that the design of
    the
    cooling
    would
    be
    to cool the
    effluent to
    3°F
    below
    the
    period average? Where
    you
    aware
    that
    the
    daily maximum
    during the summer
    months
    is
    3.6°F above
    the
    3

    period
    average?
    At
    what
    point
    does
    a
    conservative
    design
    become
    overly
    conservative?
    30.
    Are
    both
    closed
    circuit
    and
    open
    direct
    contact
    cooling
    towers
    infeasible?
    31.
    Why
    are
    the
    operational
    costs
    so
    high
    for
    the
    treatment
    technologies
    mentioned
    in your
    pre-filed
    testimony?
    32.
    Why
    are
    all
    your
    emissions
    figures
    from
    electric
    generators
    based
    on
    coal-fired
    utilities?
    Does
    Stepan
    get
    power
    from the
    grid?
    Do
    you know
    if
    Illinois
    generates
    as
    much
    power
    from
    nuciCar
    as
    from
    coal?
    33.
    Why
    do
    you assume
    that
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standards
    will be
    needed
    at end
    of
    the pipe
    if they
    are not
    needed
    now
    to
    meet
    4.0
    mg/L?
    34.
    Are
    you
    proposing
    to
    add
    dissolved
    oxygen
    before
    the
    effluent
    goes
    through
    the
    cooling
    tower?
    Wouldn’t
    the
    proàess
    of
    going
    through
    the
    cooling
    tower
    add
    dissolved
    oxygen
    just
    based
    on
    the
    turbulence?
    35.
    On
    page
    9 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “ Hence,
    installation
    of a
    disinfection
    system
    to
    achieve
    the
    effluent
    fecal
    standards
    will be
    required.”
    How
    much
    internal
    dilution
    is
    available
    for
    the
    discharge
    from
    the
    septic
    systems?
    Is
    there
    enough
    dilution
    to meet
    an effluent
    limit of
    400
    CFU/1
    00
    mL?
    36.
    On
    page
    11
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony, you state,
    “Solid Waste:
    Generation
    is
    significant”.
    Please
    explain
    the significant
    solid waste
    that
    would
    be
    generated
    by
    chlorination/dechlorination?
    4

    37.
    Figure
    3 shows
    compliance
    with the
    proposed
    water
    quality
    standard
    from
    June
    through
    October,
    however,
    Figure
    4
    shows
    a line
    where
    cooling
    is
    required
    to
    attain
    discharge
    limits.
    Is this
    an
    error?
    spectfully
    submitted,
    efa
    I
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    22,
    2008
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    Illinois EPA’s Pre-Filed
    Questions
    for the
    Metropolitan
    Water
    Reclamation
    District of Greater
    Chicago
    (“MWRDGC”)
    Witnesses
    The Illinois Environmental Protection Agency
    (“Illinois EPA” or “Agency”),
    by
    and
    through its attorneys, hereby submits its Pre-Filed
    Questions for the Metropolitan
    Water
    Reclamation District of Greater Chicago (“MWRDGC”) Witnesses
    for the
    September
    8,
    9 and 10,
    2008 hearings in the above-captioned matter.
    The Agency reserves
    the
    right
    to ask additional follow-up questions as necessary.
    Questions
    for
    Richard
    Lanyon
    1.
    You
    state
    on page
    3 of your testimony that
    of the 78 miles of the
    Chicago
    Area Waterway System (“CAWS”),
    57 of those miles are
    man-made and the
    other
    21
    have been “deepened,
    straightened,
    and/or widened
    to such
    an extent that they
    no
    longer resemble a
    natural river or
    channel.”
    a.
    Do
    you
    see a
    difference
    in the biological
    potential of the
    57
    miles
    of
    man made
    channels and 21 miles
    of altered channels?
    Why
    or why not?
    b.
    Do you see a
    difference in the
    recreational
    use
    potential
    between
    the 57 miles of
    man-made channels and
    21 miles of
    altered
    channels? Why or
    why
    not?

    c.
    In
    your
    opinion
    is
    the aquatic
    life
    and
    recreational
    use
    potential
    of
    the
    Chicago
    Sanitary
    and
    Ship
    Canal
    (“CSSC”)
    different
    from
    that
    of the
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    and
    its
    South
    Fork,
    the
    Cal-Sag
    Channel
    or
    other
    man-made
    or heavily
    altered
    reaches?
    2.
    You
    describe
    the features
    of a
    natural
    river
    on page
    5,
    paragraph
    2 of
    your
    testimony
    and
    explain
    that
    the
    CAWS
    does
    not have
    these
    natural,
    features.
    How
    far
    downstream
    does
    this
    non-natural
    waterbody
    extend?
    3.
    On
    page 5
    of your
    testimony
    you
    state
    that
    70
    percent
    of the
    annual
    flow
    in this
    system
    is
    from
    the four
    MWRDGC
    sewage
    treatment
    plants
    and
    that
    dry
    weather
    (winter
    months)
    flow
    is
    virtually
    100
    percent
    from
    these
    four
    plants
    and
    other
    sewage
    treatment
    plants
    located
    on
    tributaries
    to the system.
    Explain
    the
    summer
    discretionary
    diversions
    from
    Lake
    Michigan.
    What
    is allowed
    and
    how
    does
    that
    change
    over
    time?
    How
    does
    this translate
    to
    a
    percentage
    of flow?
    Can
    the
    entire
    allotment
    be
    diverted
    in
    I
    week?
    What
    does
    the allotment
    decrease
    to
    in 2015?
    4.
    You state
    in
    your
    testimony
    at
    the
    bottom
    of
    page
    4 that
    “All outflow
    exits
    the
    CAWS
    at
    the Lockport
    Powerhouse
    and
    Lock
    and
    Lockport
    Controlling
    Works.”
    Does
    water
    ever
    flow
    out
    to
    Lake
    Michigan?
    When?
    5.
    On
    page
    5,
    you
    testify
    that
    the
    wet weather/summer
    season
    flow
    in the
    CAWS
    is
    made
    up
    of 50
    percent
    sewage
    treatment
    plant
    effluent.
    Of the
    other
    50
    percent
    of the CAWS
    flow in
    the
    summer
    (or the
    30
    percent
    over
    the year)
    what
    portion
    is made
    up
    from
    discretionary
    diversions?
    What
    portion
    is
    wet
    weather
    discharges
    or
    run
    off?
    2

    6.
    On
    page 6, you
    cite four
    texts related
    to
    the
    impact of
    impervious
    surfaces
    in the
    watershed
    on habitat
    quality
    and
    use
    attainability
    and
    you
    testify that
    Cook
    County
    has about
    42 percent
    impervious
    surfaces.
    a.
    How does
    that compare
    to
    the surrounding
    counties
    of DuPage,
    Lake,
    McHenry,
    Kane,
    Kendall
    and
    Will.
    What
    impact
    will
    the
    City of
    Chicago’s
    plans
    for green
    infrastructure
    projects
    have
    on these
    figures?
    b.
    Is it
    your testimony
    that
    42 percent
    of
    all runoff
    to
    all CAWS
    waters
    originates
    from
    impervious
    surfaces?
    Does
    this
    take
    into account
    the impervious
    surfaces
    that are
    located
    in
    combined
    sewer
    areas
    where wet
    weather
    discharges
    do
    not
    reach the
    CAWS
    without
    treatment
    unless
    there are
    combined
    sewer
    overflows?
    c.
    Is
    the reference
    to 42
    percent
    impervious
    surfaces based
    on
    any
    data
    that characterizes
    the actual
    impervious
    component
    of
    runoff to
    the
    CAWS?
    If
    so,
    could
    you
    share
    the
    data?
    7.
    You
    testify
    on page
    8 as
    follows:
    “The
    District’s
    treated
    wastéwater
    has
    been
    demonstrated
    to have
    relatively
    low
    levels of
    pathogenic
    microorganisms.”
    What
    is the basis
    for
    this
    statement?
    What
    are
    the
    typical
    concentrations
    of pathogenic
    or
    indicator
    organisms
    in
    the
    District’s
    effluent?
    What
    would
    be
    the level
    in a typical
    effluent?
    Provide
    the
    citation or
    explain
    the
    data
    on which
    you
    base
    this
    statement.
    8.
    In
    the
    second
    paragraph
    on
    page 8 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    make
    the statement:
    “Moreover,
    the
    pathogenic
    microorganisms
    do not
    thrive well
    outside
    the
    human body
    and the
    freshwater’s
    natural
    disinfection
    process
    is aided
    by exposure
    to
    indigenous
    bacteria
    and
    sunlight.”
    3

    a.
    Are
    you
    suggesting
    that
    the
    best
    way
    to
    deal with
    pathogens
    from
    the
    District’s
    treatment
    plants
    is
    to disinfect
    the
    effluents
    in
    situ in
    waters
    that
    experience
    human
    recreational
    use?
    b.
    Can
    you
    describe
    how
    this method
    of
    disinfection
    would
    be
    consistent
    with
    the
    Clean
    Water
    Act
    and
    with your
    opinion
    that
    the CAWS
    is not
    natural?
    9.
    On page
    9
    you explain
    that
    the
    District
    is
    currently
    averaging
    43
    days
    per
    year
    of Combined
    Sewer
    Overflow
    (“CSO”)
    discharges.
    How
    many
    discharges
    or
    days
    per
    year
    of
    discharges
    will be
    expected
    after
    the
    completion
    of
    the
    Tunnel
    and
    Reservoir
    Project
    (“TARP”)?
    10.
    On page
    3 of
    Attachment
    4 to
    your
    testimony
    it states
    that
    “the
    Calumet
    River extends
    upstream
    of the
    OL&D
    to
    Lake
    Michigan.
    However,
    since
    the Calumet
    River
    is directly
    connected
    to Lake
    Michigan,
    it
    is not
    considered
    part
    of
    theCAWS.”
    Is
    it
    your testimony that
    this reach
    should
    be
    left
    out
    of this
    rulemaking?
    Are
    there any
    other
    reaches
    the
    Agency
    has
    included
    in
    this rulemaking
    that
    you believe
    should
    be
    left
    out?
    11.
    On
    page
    5 of
    Attachment
    4 it
    states
    that
    most
    of
    the
    discretionary
    diversions
    occur
    during
    the
    summer
    except
    for
    the North
    Shore
    Channel
    where
    “Some
    flow
    is
    scheduled
    throughout
    the
    year
    for
    the
    NSC due
    to more
    sensitive
    water
    quality
    conditions.”
    What
    is meant
    by
    “more
    sensitive
    water
    quality
    conditions?”
    12.
    Is
    it
    accurate
    that
    there
    are no
    USGS
    gauges
    to
    monitor
    enforcement
    of
    the
    discretionary
    diversion
    at
    the
    O’Brien
    Lock
    and
    Dam
    or
    Wilmette
    Pumping
    Stations
    due
    to
    lack
    of
    funds?
    4

    13.
    On page
    10 of
    your
    testimony
    you state that “the District
    is
    prepared
    to
    take
    on new
    challenges
    to further improve
    our treatment
    plant effluent
    quality
    and
    water
    quality
    in the
    CAWS
    if sound
    scientific
    and
    engineering studies
    demonstrate
    feasibility,
    significant
    benefit
    and
    economic
    reasonableness.”
    a.
    What
    would be necessary
    to demonstrate
    feasibility
    of an
    improvement
    to the District?
    b.
    What
    is
    your definition of
    a significant benefit?
    c.
    How are
    you defining
    economic
    reasonableness in
    this
    context?
    d.
    What evidence do
    you have that
    imprbvements in
    effluent
    quality
    will
    not result in significant
    benefits?
    5

    Questions for William
    J. Stuba
    1)
    On
    page
    2
    of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state that
    most of the
    scheduled
    runs were on Tuesday,
    Wednesday,
    and Thursday.
    What
    percentage
    of
    observations
    are made
    on the weekends?
    2)
    Are
    the given
    observations
    representative
    of
    the
    weekends?
    3)
    What percentage
    of the
    day are you at
    each site?
    4)
    On page
    3 of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state that
    primary
    contact
    activity
    has been
    observed infrequently.
    How often
    would
    primary contact with
    the water
    have
    to happen
    for the District to
    consider
    disinfecting
    it
    wastewater?
    5)
    On
    page
    4
    of your pre-filed testimony
    you
    seem to conclude
    that
    there
    is
    not
    a trend toward changing
    recreational
    use of the
    CAWS. Please
    explain how
    you
    come
    to
    such a
    conclusion?
    6)
    It
    appears that
    the numbers
    for the recreational
    surveys
    you
    mention
    in
    your pre-filed
    testimony start
    in 2005 but
    your observations
    began in June
    2003,
    can
    you please
    explain why
    you
    did not
    submit
    data from 2003
    and 2004?
    6

    Questions
    for
    Sam
    Dennison
    Sam Dennison
    (Bubbly
    Creek
    Testimony)
    1)
    Can
    you
    please explain
    the
    difference
    you
    see
    between
    South
    Branch
    of
    the
    Chicago River
    and the
    South
    Fork
    of
    the South
    Branch
    Chicago River?
    2)
    Is it your
    opinion
    that
    the South
    Fork of the
    South Branch
    Chicago
    River
    and the
    CSSC
    only
    differ
    due to
    dissolved
    oxygen
    levels
    seen in
    these
    two
    segments?
    3)
    In your
    opinion,
    why
    would
    flow augmentation
    not enable
    the
    South
    Fork
    of the South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River to
    attain dissolved
    oxygen
    standards?
    4) Please
    explain
    the need
    for a
    narrative
    standard?
    5)
    Would
    this
    narrative standard
    only
    apply
    to the
    South Fork
    of South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    segment?
    6)
    Do you
    envision
    language
    similar
    to what
    was used
    in the
    dissolved
    oxygen
    General
    Use
    rulemaking?
    7)
    If
    not, is
    MWRD
    going to
    propose language
    for
    a
    narrative
    standard
    to
    the
    Board?
    If yes,
    please
    provide
    the
    proposed
    language.
    8)
    On page
    4 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “... the District
    measured
    a
    sediment
    oxygen demand
    (SOD)
    of
    3.64 g/m
    2
    /day
    at
    Interstate
    1-55
    . . .“ on
    the
    South
    Fork
    of South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River. Are
    there
    established
    criteria
    or
    guidelines
    that
    indicate
    sediment
    condition
    based
    on SOD concentrations
    (e.g.,
    what
    levels
    of
    SOD
    are
    considered
    low,
    moderate,
    high?)
    What
    were the highest
    and lowest
    concentrations
    and where
    in
    the Chicago
    Area
    Waterway
    System
    were
    they
    found?
    9)
    On
    page 4 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state
    regarding
    South
    Fork
    of
    South
    Branch Chicago
    River, “...
    chemical
    analysis
    of
    the
    sediments
    ...
    have
    detected
    7

    legacy organic
    contaminants
    ... (USACE,
    Chicago
    District,
    2006,
    Attachment
    2)”.
    Is
    it
    indicated
    on
    pages
    3 and
    11
    of Attachment
    2 that sampled sediment
    does not
    exceed
    toxicity
    criteria established
    under RCRA
    or maximum
    allowable PCB
    concentrations
    under the Toxic
    Substances Control
    Act?
    10)
    On
    page 4
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “High
    phytoplankton
    levels,
    sustained by
    abundant nutrient
    loads . . .“
    How were “high
    phytoplankton
    levels”
    determined?
    Are
    you aware that
    the median
    chlorophyll concentration
    in
    South
    Fork
    of South Branch
    Chicago
    River
    from January
    2004 through
    May 2007 was
    8:8
    ug/L?
    11)
    On
    page 4 of your
    pre-filed testimàny
    you state
    for South
    Fork
    of
    South
    Branch
    Chicago River, “During
    2006, dissolved
    oxygen was
    below the IPCB
    Secondary
    Contact
    dissolved oxygen
    standard ..
    .“ How many CSO
    events
    occurred in 2006?
    On
    pages 10
    and 11
    of
    Attachment
    2, it is indicated that
    between 1996
    and 2005
    overflows
    at RAPS averaged
    14/year,
    with the highest
    (21) in 2001
    and the lowest
    (9) in 2005.
    What
    were continuous monitoring
    dissolved
    oxygen concentrations
    in
    South
    Fork
    of
    South
    Branch Chicago
    River in 2001
    and 2005?
    -
    12)
    On
    page 5 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony you
    state
    for South
    Fork
    of
    South
    Branch
    Chicago River,
    “Increasing
    DO... by the use of
    artificial
    controls
    could
    make
    the
    waterway
    an ‘attractive
    nuisance’ to
    fish.” Should this condition
    be
    the overriding
    factor
    for
    not improving
    any river environment?
    Could fish
    avoid the
    high flow and
    resulting
    low dissolved
    oxygen by re-entering
    South Branch
    Chicago
    River?
    At what
    rate
    does
    dissolved oxygen decrease
    throughout
    South
    Fork
    of South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    during
    CSOs from
    the Racine
    Avenue Pump
    Station?
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    13)
    On
    page
    6 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “To this
    end the
    District
    recommends
    a
    narrative
    DO standard
    be
    developed
    that
    prevents fish kills .
    .
    .“ Are
    you
    aware
    that
    the
    U.S. EPA
    National
    Criteria
    Document
    (1986) included
    dissolved
    oxygen
    concentrations
    to
    avoid acute
    mortality?
    Is the
    proposed
    daily minimum
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standard
    less
    restrictive than
    the
    current
    Secondary Contact
    and
    Indigenous
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    standard?
    14)
    On page 2
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state that flow
    in South
    Fork
    of
    the
    South
    Branch Chicago
    River primarily
    fluctuates
    as a result
    of the Racine
    Pump
    Station.
    How
    often
    does that- pump
    station
    discharge? What
    is the
    range
    in flow
    values
    from that station?
    15)
    Do
    you
    believe that the
    Aquatic Life
    Use potential
    of the
    South
    Fork
    of
    South
    Branch
    Chicago River is lower
    than
    that
    of the
    Chicago
    Sanitary
    and Ship
    Canal?
    Brandon
    Pool? Please
    explain through
    examples or
    general descriptions
    of
    types
    of
    aquatic
    life
    that could
    never
    be
    attained
    in South
    Fork of
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River?
    16)
    You
    state
    on page
    3 of your pre-field
    testimony
    that dissolved
    oxygen
    levels are
    low in dry weather.
    How
    Jow?
    What is the cause
    of this situation?
    Is it
    reversible?
    If so,
    how? If
    not,
    why
    not?
    17)
    On page
    4 of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    for
    South
    Fork
    of
    South
    Branch Chicago
    River,
    that
    dissolved
    oxygen recovery
    following
    wet weather
    events
    takes
    longer than in other
    areas of the CAWS.
    How much
    longer?
    Is
    this
    because
    of
    the size
    of the pump
    station?
    If not, what is the
    cause?
    18)
    You
    state
    on page 4
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    that
    dissolved
    oxygen
    can
    fall to
    zero for 3 days during
    a typical wet weather
    event.
    What happens
    to
    the
    aquatic
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    life during these
    periods?
    19)
    On page 4
    of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you indicate
    that the
    second
    highest
    sediment oxygen
    demand
    value
    obtained
    by the District was
    found in South Fork
    of
    South Branch
    Chicago
    River. Where
    is the highest?
    20)
    On page
    5
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    indicate that
    efforts in
    2006
    to
    drawback
    water
    at
    the Racine
    Avenue
    Pump Station
    and
    send it to the Stickney
    Plant
    for treatment
    demonstrate
    that flow
    augmentation
    will not
    enable South
    Fork of South
    Branch Chicago
    River
    to attain the dissolved
    oxygen
    standard proposed.
    Would it
    result
    in attainment
    of
    the current Secondary
    Contact
    Standard in dry weather?
    If not,
    please
    explain why. Would
    supplemental
    aeration
    work
    alone or would both
    be necessary?
    21)
    Attachment 2
    on
    pages 11-12
    you mention a sediment-capping
    project
    at
    the confluence of South
    Branch Chicago
    River and the South
    Fork of South
    Branch
    Chicago River.
    Can you tell us
    the status of this project?
    22)
    On page
    4
    of
    your
    pre-filed testimony,
    you state with
    regard to
    South
    Fork
    of the
    South Branch Chicago
    River
    that “... chemical
    analyses of
    the
    sediments
    have
    detected legacy organic
    contaminants,
    such as polycyclic
    aromatic
    hydrocarbons
    and
    heavy
    metals....”
    What do you mean
    by
    legacy
    and how
    do you differentiate
    between
    legacy and contemporary
    contaminants?
    23)
    Are
    the
    contaminants
    available
    to
    aquatic life?
    If so, what data
    do
    you
    have and
    what methodologies
    did you
    use to support that
    the
    contaminants
    are
    available to aquatic
    life?
    24)
    Are the levels of
    listed contaminants
    in
    South Fork
    of South Branch
    Chicago
    River much different
    than the
    levels
    reported
    for
    other
    reaches of CAWS?
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    25)
    On
    page 5 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state for South Fork
    of
    South
    Branch
    Chicago River that
    “... low
    levels of DO
    concentrations
    prevailed
    .... during
    2006 in
    spite of the district’s
    efforts to limit
    stagnation
    by
    drawing ... water
    back
    through
    RAPS [Racine Avenue
    Pump Station].”
    Isn’t
    supplemental aeration proposed
    along
    with
    flow augmentation
    to mitigate
    dissolved
    oxygen levels below the proposed
    standards?
    26)
    On page
    5 of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state for South
    Fork of
    South
    Branch
    Chicago River: “Increasing
    DO..
    .by
    the
    use of artificial controls could
    make
    the
    waterway an ‘attractive
    nuisance’ to
    fish.” and “Resulting fish kills
    could create
    an
    odor
    problem that would
    be offensive to the area
    residents and would be very
    difficult
    to
    rectify.”
    How long would
    it
    take
    for fish, if they were to
    die, to become odorous?
    Is
    dead fish odor a primary concern
    in determining appropriate
    aquatic life uses?
    27)
    Do
    you know if Racine Avenue Pump Station
    generated flow
    would
    tend
    to push
    any
    fish, if they
    did die, out of South Fork of South Branch
    Chicago
    River?
    28)
    Are
    you
    suggesting that
    it is better to allow lethally
    low or no
    dissolved
    oxygen in South Fork of South Branch Chicago River?
    29)
    On page 5 and 6 of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state
    regarding
    flow
    augmentation
    in South Fork of
    South
    Branch Chicago River:
    “The proposed
    high
    volume
    pump
    station
    that
    would be required ... may create
    a situation
    of fish
    colliding
    with screens (impingement) and/or being sucked into pumps
    (entrainment),
    as well.”
    Can you quantify
    impingement or entrainment situations
    at the
    existing SEPA
    stations?
    30)
    Is it possible and customary
    to take
    impingement
    or
    entrainment
    potential into consideration when
    designing waterway
    intake
    pump stations?
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    Sam
    Dennison
    (Dissolved
    Oxygen
    Testimony)
    1)
    on
    page
    3
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “Results
    from
    the
    Continuous
    Monitoring
    Program
    show
    that
    many
    waterways
    in
    the
    CAWS
    do
    not
    comply
    with
    the
    DO
    standards
    proposed
    by
    IEPA.”
    Are
    you
    aware
    that
    the
    proposed
    designated
    uses
    for
    CAWS
    “A”
    and
    “B”
    waters
    are
    below
    the
    Clean
    Water
    Act
    goal
    for
    aquatic
    life?
    Do you
    believe
    that
    use
    designations
    should
    be
    based
    on
    biological
    potential
    of
    the system
    or
    on
    meeting
    proposed
    standards?
    2)
    Can
    you
    please
    describe
    the
    Winkler
    titration
    method
    mentioned
    on
    page
    3
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony?
    3)
    Why
    are
    you
    of
    the
    opinion
    that
    additional
    aeration
    systems
    will
    not
    increase
    the fish
    population
    in
    the
    CAWS?
    4)
    On
    pages
    3-4 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    reference
    compliance
    statistics
    for
    continuous
    monitoring
    stations,
    with
    the
    lowest
    compliance
    rates
    for the
    proposed
    dissolved oxygen
    standards
    occurring
    during
    the years
    2005-2007.
    Why
    is
    compliance
    with
    the
    proposal
    lower
    at
    the
    identified
    stations
    than
    at
    the other
    stations?
    5)
    What
    do you
    recommend
    the
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standard
    be
    for
    CAWS
    Aquatic
    Life Use
    A
    waters?
    For
    CAWS
    and Brandon
    Pool
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    B
    waters?
    Sam
    Dennison
    (Cal-Sag
    channel
    Testimony)
    1)
    Please explain
    why
    you
    disagree
    with
    the
    Cal-Sag
    being
    classified
    as
    CAWS Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    A
    water?
    2)
    Would
    you
    propose
    a
    stand
    alone
    classification
    for
    the
    Cal-Sag?
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    3)
    In
    your
    opinion
    is the
    Cal-Sag similar
    to the CSSC?
    If
    yes, explain
    how
    their
    similarities.
    4)
    What
    additional
    habitat
    data
    are
    you
    preparing?
    5)
    Why
    will
    this
    information
    not be
    completed
    until 2009?
    6)
    On
    page 2
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “At
    Cicero
    Avenue
    ...
    a
    QHEI
    score
    of
    37.5 was
    classified
    as a
    poor
    habitat.”
    Are you
    aware
    that the
    correct
    score of
    47.5
    (fair
    habitat)
    was provided
    at
    the April
    2008 hearing?
    7)
    On page
    2 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “At
    Route
    83 ...
    the
    QHEI
    sãore (42)
    is still in
    the
    poor
    range.” Are
    you aware
    that the
    correct
    QHEI score
    of 54
    (fair habitat)
    was provided
    at
    the
    April
    2008 hearing?
    8)
    On
    page 2
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “The Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    and the
    Chicago Sanitary
    and
    Ship Canal
    share
    similar physical
    characteristics.
    For example
    ...
    each has
    limited
    shallow
    area
    along its
    banks . .
    Edward Rankin
    in
    his report
    (Attachment
    R)
    indicated
    that
    “The Cal-Sag
    channel
    had
    QHEI
    scores in
    the
    fair range,
    largely
    because
    of
    the limestone
    rubble
    and
    coarse
    materials
    ... in
    the
    littoral
    areas ...
    this
    littoral habitat
    is
    notjsolated,
    but occurs
    along
    much
    of
    the shoreline.
    This
    waterway
    had
    four
    positive
    attributes
    with the
    most
    important
    being
    the
    substrates
    and
    shoreline
    structure.
    Habitat
    in
    the
    CSSC
    ranged
    from
    poor
    to very
    poor.
    The
    sites
    at Lockport,
    Romeoville
    and Willow
    Springs
    Road
    were
    canal-like
    in
    nature
    with steep
    sides
    and
    little functional
    cover
    or substrate.
    The
    site at
    Lockport
    was
    wider
    and had
    some
    littoral
    habitat,
    however,
    this
    were
    very
    limited
    in scope
    and were
    extremely
    embedded
    with
    silty
    mucks and
    sand
    that
    were
    of
    poor
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    quality”. Can
    you
    explain
    this
    difference
    in opinions
    of these
    two
    waterways
    between
    MWRDGC
    and Mr.
    Rankin?
    9)
    On page 2
    of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state, “All of
    the
    QHEI
    scores
    calculated
    by the District’s
    Aquatic
    Ecology
    and Water Quality
    Section
    for
    the
    Calumet
    Sag Channel
    and
    the
    Chicago
    Sanitary
    and
    Ship Canal
    ... have
    been in
    the
    “poor”
    range ..
    .“ Did all personnel
    involved
    go through
    QHEI
    training prior
    to the
    survey?
    The
    referenced
    MWRDGC
    reports
    for
    the above
    statement
    only
    provide
    QHEI
    scores.
    Individual
    metric scores
    are not
    provided.
    Could
    the
    District
    provide copies
    of the
    QHEI
    field
    sheets along with
    other pertinent
    field sheets?
    10)
    On page 3 of
    your pre-filed testimony
    you
    state, “According
    to the
    Illinois
    EPA
    QHEI classification
    scale . .
    .“ This
    is an
    Ohio
    EPA not an Illinois
    EPA
    classification
    scale,
    correct?
    11)
    On
    page 3 of your
    pre-filed testimony
    you state,
    “In
    addition,
    both
    the
    Chicago
    Sanitary and Ship
    Canal and the
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel are
    dominated
    by
    soft
    homogenous
    sediments
    that are not conducive
    to a
    balanced benthic
    invertebrate
    community.”
    Has
    Illinois
    EPA proposed
    a
    designated
    use that
    represents
    a
    balanced
    benthic
    invertebrate
    community?
    12)
    On page
    3 of your pre-filed
    testimony you
    state,
    “In
    fact, the
    waterways
    are both dominated
    by pollution-tolerant
    invertebrates
    . .
    .“ How
    does
    the
    current
    condition of
    the waterway
    indicate potential
    aquatic life
    conditions?
    13)
    On page
    3
    of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state, “Since
    the
    physical
    habitats
    are not
    substantially
    different, there is
    no apparent
    reason why
    the
    Calumet
    Sag Channel
    should
    not be classified
    as an Aquatic
    Life Use
    B Water,
    similar
    to
    the
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    Chicago
    Sanitary
    and Ship
    Canal.”
    It appears
    that
    the
    only phycial
    habitat
    information
    provided
    by the
    District
    are
    QHEI
    scores.
    No information
    on positive
    and negative
    habitat
    attributes
    are
    provided
    as
    had been
    included
    with
    Mr. Rankin’s
    report
    (Attachment
    R). So
    how
    was it
    determined
    that
    the physical
    habitat
    is not
    substantially
    different?
    14)
    On
    page
    3 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “Over
    the
    years,
    there
    has
    been
    extensive
    land
    use development
    (urbanization)
    in
    the Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    watershed”.
    How
    many
    acres of
    forest preserve
    are
    available
    in this
    watershed?
    How
    many
    miles of
    the Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    are bordered
    by
    foresupreserves?
    15)
    On page
    4 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “These
    conditions
    prevent
    the
    waterway
    from
    attaining
    a healthy
    biological
    community.”
    What is
    meant
    by
    “healthy”?
    16)
    Do
    you agree
    or disagree
    with the
    conclusion
    of
    the Agency
    that
    the
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    potential
    of the
    Chicago Sanitary
    and
    Ship
    Canal is
    lower than
    the
    potential
    of
    the
    Cal-Sag
    Channel?
    17)
    You
    state
    that
    Factor
    3
    (Human
    Caused
    Conditions)
    is applicable
    to
    the
    Cal-Sag
    Channel
    with
    regard
    to the
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    A.
    Can
    you
    explain
    why
    these
    conditions
    cannot
    be remedied
    or would
    cause more
    environmental
    damage
    to
    correct
    than
    to leave
    in
    place?
    18)
    You
    state that
    Factor 4
    (Hydrologic
    Modifications)
    is applicable
    to
    the
    Cal
    Sag Channel
    with
    regard
    to
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    A. Can
    you
    explain
    why the
    Channel
    cannot
    be
    restored
    to its
    original conditions
    or
    operated
    in
    such
    a way
    that
    would
    result
    in attainment
    of the
    use?
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    19)
    You state
    that Factor
    5
    (Physical Conditions) is applicable to the
    Cal-Sag
    Channel with
    regard to Aquatic Life
    Use A.
    Can
    you
    explain the applicability
    of this
    factor
    and why it is irreversible
    in the
    foreseeable
    future?
    Sam Dennison (Recreational
    Uses
    Testimony)
    1)
    You state
    in your pre-filed
    testimony
    an issue regarding decisions
    that
    local governments
    must make to protect
    their citizens
    from
    recreational
    safety
    hazards.
    How does this
    issue affect the decisions
    at the District
    in
    leasing its
    property for
    recreational
    uses such
    as
    boat
    launches?
    2)
    What types
    of recreational
    boating activity should be protected
    in the
    Incidental
    Contact waters but not
    protected in the Non-Contact
    waters?
    3)
    Is
    fishing on the South Fork
    of South Branch Chicago
    River
    occurring?
    In
    your opinion
    is
    it
    dangerous? Do humansthat
    fish there need to be protected
    from
    potential harm to their
    health related to this
    use of the CAWS?
    4)
    You state that the Agency
    should treat the Calumet
    River from Lake
    Michigan to Lake Calu met and the
    Chicago River mainstem in the
    same manner
    for
    recreational use purposes. Does the
    Calumet Fiver also have evidence
    of existing
    hand-powered recreational boating?
    5)
    On page 4 of your pre-filed testimony you state
    “The proposed
    Incidental
    Contact Recreation use designation
    for the Chicago Sanitary
    and Ship Canal
    is
    alarmingly
    inconsistent with
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    realistic verbiage
    describing the
    CAWS
    on
    page 33 in the Statement of Reasons.” Does the CSSC from
    South Branch
    Chicago
    River
    to the confluence with Calumet-Sag Channel
    have public
    access facilities,
    such
    as
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    boat rental and/or boat
    launches? Do these
    facilities restrict
    small crafts
    such as
    canoes,
    kayaks, jet skis,
    etc.?
    6)
    Is
    there anything preventing
    canoes
    or kayaks
    from entering
    the
    Chicago
    River?
    7)
    Page
    4-46 of the CAWS
    UAA
    report
    indicates
    that
    sculling
    and
    hand-
    powered
    boating
    occur in
    the
    Chicago
    River.
    To
    your
    knowledge
    are there
    canoes
    or
    kayaks in the Chicago
    River?
    8)
    On page 2 of your
    pre-filed testimony
    you speak
    about
    the
    dangers
    of•
    how:
    “... (4) periodic
    draW downs
    of the
    water level
    cause
    an
    unexpected rapid
    increase
    in stream
    velocity
    ....“
    Can you quantify
    the
    degree
    to which velocities
    vary during
    “draw
    downs” and
    describe
    the
    reaches in which
    such velocities
    rapidly increase
    and
    present a hazard
    to
    recreational
    users? Do
    you disagree
    with the UAA
    observations
    and findings
    that
    incidental contact
    activities
    occur
    on these reaches?
    9)
    Are you
    aware that
    the Summit
    and
    Western Avenue
    boat launches,
    which
    provide access
    to CSSC,
    are
    available to
    the public and that
    one is allowed
    to
    launch
    hand-powered
    paddle
    boats
    at these
    locations?
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    Questions
    for Susan
    O’Connell
    1)
    Many
    figures
    have
    appeared
    in the
    various
    documents
    submitted
    and
    testimony
    regarding
    the
    actual
    number
    of CSOs
    in
    the
    CAWS
    and
    Lower Des
    Plaines
    River.
    Are the
    figures contained
    in your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    the
    most accurate
    and
    current
    available?
    2)
    How
    many overflows
    are expected
    to occur after
    the
    completion
    of
    TARP?
    3)
    How many
    times
    does
    an
    average
    CSO discharge
    per
    year?
    Can
    this
    average
    be estimated
    by
    multiplying
    the
    number
    of days
    of
    discharge
    (among
    all
    CSOs)
    per
    year by the
    average
    number
    of CSOs
    discharging
    on
    those
    days,
    and then
    dividing
    that
    product
    by the
    total
    number
    of
    CSOs?
    4)
    Can
    you
    tell
    how many
    of the overflows
    you mention
    on page
    2
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    occurred
    during
    the proposed
    recreation
    season?
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    Questions
    for Geeta
    K.
    Rijal
    1.
    Is
    Attachment
    3
    to
    your
    testimony
    is the
    same
    as
    Exhibit
    38
    in the
    Record?
    2.
    Your
    testimony
    indicatesthat
    the District
    performed various
    fecal
    coliform
    distribution
    studies
    to
    assist
    the
    Illinois
    EPA
    in
    determining
    what
    the
    appropriate
    bacteria
    water
    quality
    standards
    should
    be for
    the study
    area.
    (See
    page
    2). Do
    you
    believe
    fecal
    coliform
    is an
    appropriate
    indicator
    on
    which
    to
    base
    a water
    quality
    standard
    to
    protect
    against
    pathogenic
    microorganisms
    in
    general
    or
    pathogenic
    bacteria
    in
    particular?
    What
    indicator
    would
    you
    recommend?
    3.
    What
    would
    be an
    appropriate
    bacteria
    water
    quality
    standard
    for
    the
    Incidental
    Contact
    recreation
    waters?
    What
    about
    for the
    Non-contact
    recreation
    waters?
    4.
    At
    the
    top of
    page
    3
    ofyour
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    conclude
    that
    the
    District’s
    effluent”...
    was
    not
    adversely
    impacting
    the microbial
    quality
    of the
    DPR
    [Des
    Plaines
    River]
    downstream
    of the junction.” What
    do you
    mean
    by
    “adversely”?
    Do
    you
    believe
    that
    the
    District’s
    effluents
    “adversely”
    impact
    the
    microbial
    quality
    of
    any
    CAWS
    reaches?
    5.
    You
    also state
    at
    the
    top
    of page
    3
    that
    the Chicago
    Sanitary
    and
    Ship
    Canal
    (“CSSC”)
    is
    comparable
    in quality
    to
    the
    Des
    Plaines
    River
    with
    respect
    to
    Fecal
    Coliform
    concentrations.
    Does
    this
    conclusion
    include
    dry weather
    periods
    during
    the
    recreation
    season
    when
    other
    dischargers
    to
    the Des
    Plaines
    River
    are
    disinfecting
    their
    effluents?
    6.
    With regard
    to report
    07-79
    you
    state
    on
    page
    3
    of your
    testimony,
    “The
    purpose
    of
    this
    study
    was
    to determine, from the
    collected
    data,
    whether
    disinfection
    of
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    the
    effluents
    from
    these
    WRPs would
    significantly
    reduce
    the FC
    [fecal coliform]
    load
    in
    the
    receiving
    streams
    during
    wet weather
    and how
    the
    FC
    concentration
    in the
    waterways
    compares
    to
    the
    effluent
    disinfection
    standard
    proposed
    in this
    rulemaking.”
    Was
    there
    an
    effluent
    disinfection
    standard
    being
    proposed
    by the
    Illinois
    EPA
    at
    the
    time
    you began
    this
    study?
    If not,
    how could
    this be
    one of its
    purposes?
    7.
    At the
    top
    of
    page
    4 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony,
    you
    describe
    a wet
    versus
    dry weather
    study of
    fecal coliform
    in the
    waterways
    and define
    “light
    rain conditions
    in
    which no
    pumping
    station discharge
    occurred
    and
    heavy rain
    conditions
    in which
    pumping
    station
    discharge
    did
    occur.”
    a.
    Did
    you
    review
    CSO
    monitoring
    records
    and
    take
    into
    consideration
    whether
    other
    CSOs
    within,
    outside
    or
    upstream
    of
    CAWS, besides
    major pump
    station
    discharges,
    had
    occurred
    during
    “light rain”
    or “dry
    weather” events
    or periods?
    If not,
    could
    you
    do
    so?
    b.
    Did
    you review
    and
    take Into
    consideration
    whether
    heavier
    rains
    were occurring
    upstream
    of the CAWS
    during
    periods
    you defined
    as “light
    rain”
    or
    “dry
    weather”
    events or
    periods?
    If not,
    could
    you do
    so?
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    c.
    Did
    you review
    and
    take into
    consideration
    whether
    the
    disinfection
    exemption
    season
    for treatment
    plants upstream
    of CAWS
    were
    responsible
    for
    bacteria
    levels
    found?
    8.
    On
    pages 5-6
    of your
    testimony,
    you
    state “It
    is evident
    from
    this
    analysis
    that disinfection
    of
    the
    North Side
    and
    Calumet
    WRP [Water
    Reclamation
    Plant]
    effluents
    during
    wet
    weather
    would not
    improve
    the
    CAWS
    microbiological
    water
    quality
    downstream
    of
    these WRPs
    in
    terms
    of compliance
    with
    the proposed
    effluent
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    standard.”
    If MWRDGC installed
    disinfection
    technology
    at these
    plants
    would
    they
    function
    in both
    wet
    and
    dry
    weather?
    Wouldn’t
    the
    proposed
    effluent
    standard
    be
    met
    continuously
    by
    the
    District
    if
    it installed
    disinfection technology?
    Where
    is
    compliance
    with
    an
    effluent
    standard
    measured?
    9.
    Based
    on
    the information
    you
    developed
    in
    preparing
    Exhibit
    38
    (Attachment
    3
    to
    your
    testimony),
    do you
    know
    what
    the
    significant
    sources
    of feôal
    coliform
    are
    to
    the Des
    Plaines
    River
    upstream
    of
    the
    CAWS
    during
    dry
    weather?
    Are
    the
    health
    risks
    to recreators
    from
    non-point
    sources
    of fecal
    coliform
    bacteria,
    such
    as
    from
    waterfowl,
    the
    same
    as
    the
    risks
    from
    raw
    §ewage?
    10.
    Do
    you
    have
    any
    information
    that
    would
    quantify ratio
    of
    non-point
    source
    to
    point
    sources
    loads
    of
    bacterial
    contamination in
    the
    CAWS?
    Can
    you
    differentiate
    during
    dry
    weather
    periods
    between
    the lingering
    effects
    of
    wet
    weather
    and
    tributary
    loads?
    Can
    you
    differentiate
    between
    CSOs
    and
    non-point
    sources
    or
    between
    CSOs
    and
    tributaries?
    11.
    On
    page
    4,
    paragraph
    3
    of your
    testimony,
    you
    indicate
    that “upstream
    of
    the
    North
    Side
    WRP”
    and
    upstream
    of
    CAWS
    at
    Albany
    Avenue
    the
    level
    of
    bacteria
    exceeded
    the
    proposed
    effluent
    limit
    of 400
    CFU/1
    00 mL
    a
    significant
    percentage
    of
    the
    time
    during
    heavy
    rain,
    light
    rain
    and
    dry
    weather.
    a.
    How
    did
    you
    ensure
    that
    your
    upstream
    North
    Shore
    Channel
    samples
    were
    not
    contaminated
    by
    backflows
    of
    the
    plant
    effluent?
    b.
    Did you
    review
    CSO
    monitoring
    records
    and
    take
    into
    consideration
    in
    your
    analyses
    whether
    other
    CSOs
    within,
    outside
    or upstream
    of
    CAWS,
    besides
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    major
    pump
    station discharges
    had occurred
    during
    “light rain” or
    “dry weather”
    events
    or periods?
    If not, could
    you do so?
    c.
    Did you
    perform
    a mass
    balance
    of
    pathogen
    inputs
    from
    Albany
    Avenue
    and typical
    levels
    of pathogens
    in disinfected
    plant
    effluent to
    determine if
    in
    fact downstream
    levels of.pathogens
    would
    fall
    below your
    target
    400
    cfu/1 00 ml
    comparison
    level? If not,
    would
    you
    perform
    this
    analysis?
    d.
    Are
    your reported
    percentages
    based on
    geometric
    means?
    12.
    Page
    4 paragraph
    3 of your testimony
    states,
    ‘We
    observed
    that
    upstream
    of the
    North Side
    WRP, fecal
    coliform densities
    were greater
    than the proposed
    effluent
    limit of 400 cfu/1
    00
    ml
    88 percent
    of the
    time during heavy
    rainfalls . .
    .“ How is the
    concentration
    of fecal coliform
    in the receiving
    stream
    relevant to
    the
    technology-based
    effluent
    standard? Do
    you believe
    that fecal coliform
    is a good
    indicator
    to measure
    in
    the receiving
    stream? DO you believe
    there
    is a better
    measurement
    than
    400
    cfu/lOOml fecal
    coliform to
    show that disinfection
    is being
    accomplished
    in
    the
    effluent?
    13.
    On page 4,
    paragraph
    4, you indicate that
    upstream
    of the CAWS
    at
    Ashland
    Avenue the
    level
    of bacteria
    exceeded the proposed
    effluent
    limit of 400
    cfu/100
    ml level a
    significant
    percentage
    of the time during
    heavy
    rain, light rain
    and
    dry
    weather.
    You also indicate
    that these
    percentages were
    much reduced
    “upstream
    of
    the Calumet WRP”
    at Indiana
    Avenue.
    a.
    How did
    you ensure that your
    upstream
    Little Calumet
    River
    samples were not
    contaminated
    by backflows
    of the
    Calumet
    plant
    effluent?
    b.
    Did you review
    CSO monitoring
    records
    and take
    into
    consideration
    whether
    other CSOs
    within,
    outside
    or upstream of CAWS,
    besides
    major
    pump
    station
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    discharges,
    had
    occurred
    during
    “light rain”
    or
    “dry weather”
    events or
    periods?
    If not,
    could
    you
    do so?
    c.
    Did
    you
    perform
    a mass
    balance
    of
    pathogen
    inputs
    from
    Indiana
    Avenue
    and typical
    levels
    of
    pathogens
    in
    disinfected
    plant effluent
    to
    determine
    if in
    fact
    downstream
    levels
    of pathogens
    would
    fall below
    your
    target 400
    CFU/1
    00 ml
    comparison
    level?
    If not,
    would
    you perform
    such
    an analysis?
    14.
    You state
    in paragraph
    4
    on page
    5 of your
    testimony
    that
    “Estimated
    wet
    weather
    FC density,
    with or without
    disinfection,
    would
    not meet
    proposed
    effluent
    standard
    for
    at
    least a distance
    of
    19
    miles
    downstream
    from
    the
    North Side
    WRP
    in
    the
    North area
    or
    8
    miles
    downstream
    from
    the Cal
    umet WRP
    in the South
    area.”
    Page
    6, paragraph
    I also
    states
    that “[disinfection
    during
    wet weather]
    would
    not improve
    the
    CAWS
    microbiological
    water
    quality
    downstream
    of
    these
    WRPs
    in
    terms
    of
    compliance
    with the
    proposed
    effluent standard.”
    a.
    Why
    would the
    stream
    ever
    need to
    meet the
    proposed
    effluent
    standard?
    b.
    Is
    it
    your opinion
    that
    an
    appropriate
    in-stream
    water
    quality
    standard
    would be
    400
    cfu/100
    ml for fecal
    coliform?
    15.
    On
    page 6,
    paragraph
    I of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state:
    “During
    wet
    weather,
    even
    light
    rainfall
    periods, the
    CAWS
    receive
    CSO,
    municipal
    separate
    storm
    water
    sewer system
    and non-point
    bacteria
    loads that
    result
    in
    elevation
    of FC
    concentrations
    in
    the
    CAWS
    to levels
    much
    higher
    than
    are observed
    during
    dry
    weather,
    such
    that
    disinfecting
    WRP
    effluents
    will
    not result
    in
    a
    substantial
    reduction
    in
    FC concentrations in
    the
    waterway.”
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    a.
    Do
    you have
    data
    to
    support
    your
    inclusion
    of
    “municipal
    separate
    storm
    sewer
    system
    and non-point
    bacteria
    loads”
    in
    your
    statement?
    If
    so,
    what
    is
    it?
    b.
    When
    you
    say “disinfecting
    WRP effluents
    will
    not
    result
    in
    a
    substantial
    reduction
    in
    FC
    concentrations
    in the waterway,”
    do you
    mean
    at all
    times
    or
    only
    during wet
    weather?
    16.
    Do your
    conclusions
    about the
    Des
    Plaines
    River
    upstream
    of the
    CAWS
    lead
    you
    to believe
    that
    disinfection
    by
    wastewater
    treatment
    plants
    that
    discharge
    into
    that
    waterbody
    is
    unnecessary
    or
    inappropriate?
    17.
    You
    state
    in your testimOny
    on page
    6 that “the
    proposed
    disinfection
    standard
    should
    not
    be
    adopted
    until IEPA
    can demonstrate
    that reducing
    fecal
    coilform
    in the
    WRP
    effluents
    will result
    in
    some
    public
    health
    benefit.”
    How
    would
    such
    a
    demonstration
    be
    successfully
    made?
    What
    evidence
    do you
    have
    that there
    will
    be
    no
    public
    health benefit?
    18.
    Please
    explain Attachment
    2 to
    your
    testimony.
    Is it a
    literature
    search
    that
    you conducted?
    Did you
    draft the
    explanatory
    text?
    19.
    In Attachment
    2
    there is
    a
    discussion
    of “regrowth”
    of
    bacteria
    following
    disinfection.
    Can you
    explain this
    phenomenon?
    20.
    Would
    disinfection
    significantly
    reduce
    CAWS
    bacteria
    concentrations
    during
    the dry
    weather
    conditions?
    Do
    dry
    weather
    conditions
    represent
    60
    percent
    of
    the
    year?
    21.
    You
    testify
    on
    page 9
    (paragraph
    1)
    that “it is
    difficult
    to control
    water
    quality
    through
    disinfection
    of effluents.”
    Is
    it
    your
    testimony
    that because
    disinfection
    is
    difficult
    it
    should
    not
    be required
    for wastewater
    treatment
    plants
    in
    Illinois?
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    Questions
    for
    Thomas
    E. Kunetz,
    RE.
    1.
    Is
    a
    Master
    Plan
    being prepared
    for the Lemont
    Plant?
    2.
    Are the. District’s
    Master
    Plans subject
    to public
    notice and
    comment?
    3.
    Were
    the
    Use
    Attainability
    Analyses
    for
    the Chicago Area
    Waterways
    and
    Lower Des
    Plaines River
    underway when
    these
    Master
    Plans
    were
    being
    developed?
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    Questions
    for
    Thomas
    Granato
    Aquatic
    Life
    Uses
    and Criteria
    Testimony
    1.
    What Aquatic
    Life Use
    studies
    should
    the Board
    wait for
    before
    completion
    of this
    rulemaking?
    When will
    these studies
    be
    completed?
    a.
    When
    did the
    District determine
    that this
    additional
    information
    on
    aquatic
    life
    uses
    was necessary?
    b.
    Was
    the
    Agency
    notified
    of your
    opinion
    that
    this additional
    information
    was necessary?
    c.
    How
    will
    these
    studies
    assist
    the Board
    in setting
    designated
    uses
    and water
    quality
    standards
    for the CAWS?
    d.
    Will
    they
    show
    that the
    uses and
    standards
    proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA are
    inappropriate?
    How?
    2.
    When
    did the District
    decide
    to conduct
    its
    “Habitat
    Evaluation
    and
    Improvement
    Study”?
    Who
    is
    conducting
    this study?
    When
    were
    they hired
    and
    when
    did work
    begin?
    3.
    In
    you
    opinion,
    how was
    the approach
    taken
    by Illinois
    EPA
    insufficient?
    What
    is wrong
    with
    the indices
    used?
    4.
    On
    page 3
    you explain
    that
    additional
    information
    has been
    collected
    by
    the
    District
    from 2001-2007
    that
    was
    not incorporated
    into the
    Use
    Attainability
    Analysis.
    Has
    the
    data from
    2001-2007
    collected
    by
    MWRDGC
    been
    provided
    to the
    Board
    for
    inclusion
    in this
    Record?
    5.
    What
    is
    the basis
    for the
    statement
    in
    your
    testimony
    on pages
    3-4
    that
    “Essentially
    it
    appears
    that
    only fish
    Index
    of Biotic
    Integrity
    (IBI)
    percentile
    was
    used
    to
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    classify
    waterways
    into
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    A or B”?
    What role
    do you believe
    physical
    habitat
    played
    in the
    determination?
    6.
    What
    is meant
    by
    the term
    on page
    4 of
    your
    testimony
    “sustainable
    aquatic
    populations”?
    7.
    In
    your opinion,
    how did
    Illinois
    EPA
    fail
    to
    consider
    the
    uniqueness
    of the
    CAWS?
    8.
    Please
    explain
    what
    you
    mean
    when
    you state
    that the
    Agency
    “has
    failed
    to
    also
    apply
    the narrative
    dissolved
    oxygen standard
    that was
    recently
    adopted
    for
    General
    Use waters
    to
    the
    CAWS”?
    Please
    specify
    which provisions
    in
    the
    Board’s
    General
    Use
    Dissolved
    Oxygen standard
    are
    not included
    and
    would
    be
    applicable
    to
    the
    CAWS?
    9.
    Please
    describe
    the narrative
    dissolved
    oxygeh
    standard
    you
    envision
    for
    South
    Fork
    of South
    Branch Chicago
    River?
    Would
    it
    apply
    to other
    reaches
    of the•
    CAWS
    as’
    well?
    10.
    What
    is the
    basis for
    suggesting
    on page
    6 (middle
    paragraph)
    of
    you
    testimony
    that
    the Agency
    should
    have
    a
    “wet
    weather
    standard”
    or “eliminate
    the
    7-day
    average”
    with
    regard to
    the
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standard?
    Why
    do you
    suggest
    eliminating
    the
    7-day
    average
    proposed
    by
    Illinois
    EPA?
    Would
    the Dissolved
    Oxygen
    standard
    still
    be
    protective
    of the aquatic
    community
    without
    a 7-day average?
    Would
    it
    still be
    consistent
    with
    U.S. EPA’s
    National
    Criteria
    Document?
    What
    do
    you base
    your
    conclusion
    on?
    11.
    What
    are the
    District’s
    plans
    for removing
    or
    capping
    sediment
    in
    the
    South Fork
    of
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River?
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    12.
    With regard to
    cyanide,
    on page 5, paragraph
    3 you
    state
    that
    the
    proposed
    standards for
    the
    CAWS “are
    more stringent
    than General
    Use waters in
    Cook
    County
    for cyanide.”
    By “General
    Use waters
    in Cook County,”
    are you referring
    to the
    same waters
    where
    the District
    obtained
    site-specific
    water quality standards
    for
    cyanide?
    Do
    all General
    Use waters
    in Cook
    County
    have
    the
    same
    cyanide
    water
    quality standards?
    13.
    On
    page 8, paragraph
    I of your
    aquatic
    life use testimony
    you state that
    the
    Agency
    “has
    ignored the many
    inherent physical
    limitations that
    CAWS has,
    which
    prior
    testimony
    has
    shown will
    prevent the chemical
    water quality improvements
    that
    the
    Agency
    seeks from
    supporting
    improved aquatic
    life
    use.”
    a.
    Which
    physical limitations
    are you referring
    to? Which
    chemical
    improvements
    are you
    referring to?
    b.
    Haven’t the
    proposed
    use
    designations
    for the
    CAWS
    taken
    these
    limitations into
    account
    by proposing aquatic
    life uses that do not
    represent
    attainment
    of the
    Clean Water Act aquatic
    life use goal?
    c. - If the
    reversible human
    impacts in the
    CAWS are
    mitigated,
    will the
    remaining
    physical
    limitations
    prevent attainment
    of the proposed
    Aquatic Life
    Uses?
    What
    do
    you
    base your
    answer on?
    14.
    On
    page 7 of your
    testimony
    you
    raise the
    issue
    of
    conflicting
    uses
    between supplemental
    aeration
    and flow
    augmentation
    and recreational
    uses.
    Which
    use should have priority
    in such a conflict?
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    Recreational
    uses
    and
    standards
    testimony
    1.
    What
    necessary
    studies
    are
    you
    referring
    to
    on
    page
    2 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony?
    When
    would
    the
    Board
    be
    able
    to
    complete
    this
    rulemaking
    if
    it
    waits
    for
    the
    studies
    being
    conducted
    by
    the
    District
    related
    to
    Recreational Uses
    to
    be
    completed?
    2.
    On
    page
    2 you
    state
    that
    the
    Agency
    “requested
    that
    the
    District
    undertake
    and
    support
    a
    structured
    scientific
    assessment
    approach
    designed
    to
    evaluate
    this
    need,
    and
    if
    necessary,
    provide
    the
    basis
    for
    generating
    numeric water
    quality
    standards
    for
    the
    proposed
    recreational
    use
    designations.”
    What
    do
    you
    mean
    by
    a
    “structured
    scientific
    assessment approach”?
    3.
    On
    page
    3,
    paragraph
    2
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “CAWS
    presents
    many
    safety
    issues
    that
    may
    render
    contact
    recreational
    activities
    such
    as
    swimming,
    wading
    and
    hand-powered
    boating
    hazardous
    to
    individuals.”
    What
    type
    of
    hazards
    are
    you
    referring to?
    a.
    Speàify which
    reaches
    of CAWS
    you
    are
    referring
    to
    for
    each
    of
    these
    hazardous
    features and
    which
    hazards
    apply
    in each
    reach?
    b.
    You
    state
    that “[t]he
    man-made
    waterways
    do not
    have
    a
    substantial
    shallow
    area
    along
    the
    banks.”
    Is the
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    devoid
    of
    shallow
    areas
    along
    the
    banks?
    c.
    Explain
    which
    CAWS
    reaches
    experience
    “rapid
    increases
    in
    stream
    velocity”
    due
    to
    “draw
    downs”?
    What
    are
    the
    velocities
    and
    how
    do
    these
    velocities
    present
    a
    hazard
    to
    recreational
    users?
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    4.
    You
    testify on page 4
    (paragraph 1) that safety
    factors
    are “persuasive
    grounds for
    restricting primary
    and incidental
    contact recreational
    activities such
    as
    swimming, wading and
    hand-powered
    boating
    in
    the
    CAWS.”
    a.
    How does
    the
    District
    enforce
    its policy
    that prohibits wading
    from
    land
    under its
    control?
    b.
    Does
    the
    District
    have
    a
    policy
    prohibiting
    swimming
    and
    hand-
    powered boating
    for the
    reaches in which these
    safety
    factors
    apply? Is it possible
    for
    members of
    the public to
    launch hand-powered
    paddle
    boats from the Summit
    and.
    Western
    Avenue
    boat launches
    on
    the
    CSSC?
    c.
    Does
    the District
    have the
    authority to restrict
    these recreational
    activities?
    Does
    the
    Illinois EPA?
    d.
    Are you
    aware of any
    other states
    that have used these
    safety
    factors
    in
    designating
    recreational
    uses? Can
    safety factors
    be used to eliminate
    designation
    of existing
    recreational
    uses?
    5.
    On
    page 4,
    paragraph
    3 you
    recommend
    “the following
    waterways be
    designated
    for
    Non-Contact
    Recreation,
    contrary
    to the proposed standards:
    the
    Chicago Sanitary
    and Ship
    Canal from
    the
    South
    Branch of the Chicago
    River to
    the
    junction with
    the
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel,
    the entire
    Calumet-Sag Channel,
    the
    Chicago
    River, and the
    South Fork of
    the South
    Branch of the Chicago
    River...” Do
    any of the
    listed
    segments have
    boat access
    to
    them?
    Do they
    restrict
    hand-powered
    boats?
    6.
    Are
    you
    recommending
    that the following
    waters remain designated
    for
    incidental
    contact
    recreation:
    North Shore
    Channel, North
    Branch Chicago River,
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River,
    Calumet River
    (from
    Torrence
    Avenue to its
    confluence
    with
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    Grand
    Calu met River
    and Little
    Calu met River),
    Lake
    Calu
    met
    and its Connecting
    Channel,
    Grand
    Calumet River,
    Little
    Calumet
    River (from
    its confluence
    with
    Calumet
    River
    and Grand
    Calumet River
    to
    its
    confluence with Calumet-Sag
    Channel)
    and the
    Upper
    Dresden Island
    Pool.
    7.
    In
    the
    last paragraph
    of
    page 4, continuing
    on to page 5 of
    your
    testimony,
    you
    state: “Furthermore,
    the
    presence
    of
    pathogens
    is mainly due
    to secondary
    loading
    of
    the waterway
    under wet weather
    conditions
    from CSOs
    and
    other
    discharges.”
    Explain the meaning
    of “mainly”
    and “secondary
    loading”
    in
    this statement.
    Are
    pathogens
    absent except
    during wet-weather
    condition&?
    8.
    You
    testify
    on
    page 4
    that
    “the weight
    of
    scientific evidence
    against
    the
    proposed
    400 fecal coliform
    cfu/lOOml
    effluent
    standard
    is
    clear
    and
    overwhelming.”
    a.
    What scientific evidence
    are you
    referring to?
    b.
    Do
    you agree
    that
    400
    cfu/lOOml is
    an
    effective
    fecal
    coliform
    effluent
    standard to determine
    if
    disinfection
    is occurring
    properly?
    c.
    What weight of
    evidence process
    did you use to
    reach
    this
    conclusion
    9.
    In paragraph 3
    on page 5 it states
    “Previous testimony
    regarding
    the
    risk
    assessment
    study indicated
    that fecal coliform were
    not well
    correlated
    with
    presence
    of
    pathogens.” What indicator
    organism does
    the District
    believe is well
    correlated
    with
    the
    presence
    of
    pathogens? Does
    disinfection
    kill pathogens? How
    does the
    District know
    that
    its seasonal
    disinfection at the
    Kirie, Eagan and Hanover
    Park
    Plants
    is
    working?
    10.
    Explain
    how, when completed,
    the District’s
    epidemiological
    study
    will
    be
    able
    to
    be used
    to develop ambient
    criteria to protect
    for incidental
    contact
    recreation?
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    Will it
    also
    be
    useful
    in developing
    a standard
    that’s
    protective
    of
    non-contact
    recreation?
    Why
    or
    why
    not?
    Will the
    study
    identify
    which
    indicator
    organism
    is
    appropriate
    to
    protect
    non-primary
    contract
    recreation?
    11.
    When
    you state
    on page
    6
    that
    “The
    proposed
    effluent
    standard
    is
    normally
    applied
    to treated
    wastewater
    effluents
    discharged
    to receiving
    waters
    that
    may
    be used
    fOr drinking
    water
    supply,
    swimming,
    or
    shell fishing”
    what
    does
    “may”
    be
    used
    for swimming
    mean?
    a.
    Do
    any
    of MWRDGC’s
    disinfecting
    facilities
    discharge
    to
    waters
    used for
    drinking
    water
    supplies?
    Swimming
    areas?
    Shell
    fishing
    areas?
    b.
    Is it
    your opinion
    that disinfection
    should
    not be used
    at
    plants
    discharging
    to
    General
    Use
    waters
    generally?
    12.
    Explain
    what
    you mean
    when you
    say on
    page 7, “IEPA
    acknowledges
    that the
    results
    of the CAWS
    epidemiological
    study,
    which is
    well underway,
    will
    provide
    the
    necessary
    scientific
    basis for
    protective
    bacterial
    water
    quality
    standards
    for
    the
    CAWS”?
    When
    or
    where
    did the
    Illinois
    EPA acknowledge
    that this
    study
    “will”
    provide
    the
    “necessary”
    scientific
    basis?
    13.
    You
    testify
    on
    page 5,
    paragraph
    3 “that
    the
    proposed
    effluent
    standard
    could
    not
    be
    attained
    in the
    CAWS. .
    .“ Does
    the effluent
    standard have
    to
    be
    achieved
    in
    the
    receiving
    stream?
    14.
    Page
    6,
    paragraph
    3, states,
    “USEPA’s
    monitoring
    methods
    detect
    traditional
    fecal
    indicators
    that
    are not
    always associated
    with
    health
    risks.”
    Do
    you
    know
    of
    an indicator
    that
    is always
    associated
    with health
    risks?
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    15.
    In
    the same
    paragraph
    you
    proceed
    to state,
    “The
    current
    rulemaking
    addresses
    fecal
    coliform
    bacteria,
    which
    have
    been
    determined
    by
    USEPA
    to
    be
    poor
    predictors
    of
    the
    presence
    or
    concentration
    of pathogens
    in
    water.”
    What
    indicator
    would
    the District
    prefer
    the
    Agency
    to
    use to
    ensure
    that
    adequate
    disinfection
    is
    achieved?
    Should the Board
    consider
    adopting
    a
    technology requirement
    regarding
    the
    concentration
    and
    exposure
    time
    of
    chlorine
    or requiring
    that
    UV
    disinfection
    be
    performed
    for
    a specific
    amount
    of
    time
    with
    a
    specified
    wattage
    of bulb?
    16.
    Page
    7, paragraph
    2,
    states,
    “There
    is evidence that
    no
    disinfection
    technology
    can offer
    a 100
    percent
    guarantee
    of safe
    recreational
    water.”
    Is
    a 100
    percent
    guarantee
    of safe
    recreational
    water
    ever
    an
    achievable
    goal?
    What
    about
    a
    100
    percent
    guarantee
    for safe
    drinking water?
    Is
    the
    lack
    of
    perfection
    a
    reason
    not
    to
    attempt
    to
    make
    recreation
    safer?
    17.
    Page
    7, paragraph
    2,
    states,
    “The
    infrastructure
    expenditure
    necessary
    to
    achieve
    a
    particular
    effluent
    fecal
    coliform
    level
    is
    not
    an efficient
    or
    productive
    use
    of
    limited
    public
    resources.”
    How
    do
    you
    define
    “efficient”,
    “productive”
    and
    “limited”?
    What
    measure would
    you
    recommend for
    insuring
    that
    disinfection
    is
    accomplished?
    18.
    Explain
    the
    legal
    basis
    for
    the
    statement
    on
    page
    8
    (paragraph
    2)
    that
    “These
    environmental impacts
    must
    be
    weighed
    when
    considering
    the
    appropriateness
    of
    disinfection requirements”?
    Who
    performs
    this
    weighing
    of
    the
    ancillary
    impacts?
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    Questions
    for
    Jennifer
    Wasik
    Cyanide
    Testimony
    1.
    You
    testify
    that MWRDGC
    is recommending
    a chronic
    cyanide
    standard
    of
    10
    micrograms
    per
    liter or
    higher.
    How much
    higher
    would you
    recommend?
    2.
    Will the District
    be making
    a
    proposal
    for
    the
    proposed
    change?
    3.
    The Agency’s
    proposal
    would allow
    for
    cyanide
    to
    be
    analyzed
    as
    either
    the
    WAD
    (weak
    acid
    dissociable)
    or
    available
    cyanide
    forms. Do
    you
    agree with
    this
    recommendation?
    What analytical
    method does
    MWRDGC
    use?
    What
    cyanide
    form
    is
    reported
    by
    MWRDGC?
    Sediment
    and
    Macroinvertebrate
    Testimony
    1.
    On
    page 1
    you
    state
    that
    “Twenty-eight
    of
    the
    stations
    are in the
    CAWS,
    whereas
    the
    other stations
    are located
    in the
    General
    Use,
    shallow
    draft
    waterways.”
    Based on
    Attachments
    I and
    2, there
    appear to
    be only 26
    stations
    within
    CAWS
    reaches
    that are
    part
    of this
    rulemaking.
    Could
    you
    identify
    which 28
    stations
    are
    in the
    CAWS?
    2.
    You
    identify
    on
    page 2 that
    the
    stations
    in the
    “Des
    Plaines
    River
    System
    are
    not
    relevant
    to
    this
    rulemaking.”
    Are
    there
    other waterways
    in the
    District’s
    Ambient
    Water
    Quality
    Monitoring
    Network
    (“AWQMN”)
    that
    are not
    part of this
    rulemaking?
    3.
    “During
    biological
    collections,
    physical
    habitat
    is
    assessed
    at
    four
    locations
    at
    each sampling
    station:
    At the
    beginning
    and
    end
    of
    a sampling
    reach,
    at the
    side
    and
    center
    of
    the
    waterway.”
    (See
    page
    2). How
    long are
    the
    sampling
    reaches?
    Which
    side
    of the
    waterway
    is evaluated?
    How is
    this determined?
    Why
    aren’t both
    sides
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    evaluated?
    Do
    you consider
    four locations
    at
    a
    site to
    be
    representative
    of
    the
    sampling
    reach?
    4.
    You
    testify
    on
    page 2
    that
    “A
    sediment
    evaluation
    is
    one component
    of
    the
    habitat
    assessment
    process.”
    Describe
    the
    other
    habitat
    attributes
    that
    are
    assessed
    and
    how
    this
    assessment
    is
    conducted.
    5.
    On
    page
    2 you
    mention
    that
    fine grained
    sediment
    increases
    the
    probability
    of
    contaminant
    absorption
    and
    desorption,
    thus
    silt
    and sand
    generally
    supporttolerant
    organisms. Other
    than
    the possibility
    of
    contamination,
    are
    there
    reasons
    why
    tolerant
    organisms predominate
    in
    silt
    and
    sand?
    Do
    tolerant
    organisms
    tend to
    predominate
    in
    uncontaminated
    silt
    and
    sand?
    6.
    On
    page 3
    of your
    sediment
    testimony
    it states
    that “In
    the
    absence
    of
    sediment
    toxicity
    data, the
    CAWS
    UAA
    report
    employed
    sediment
    screening
    levels
    from
    MacDonald, et al.
    2000 in
    order
    to
    identify
    ‘potential
    problem
    areas
    and
    constituents.”
    a.
    Do
    you
    agree
    that
    another
    sediment
    quality
    guideline
    developed
    by
    Morgan
    was
    also
    used?
    b.
    Was
    the
    use of
    these
    guidelines
    agreed
    to
    by the
    members
    of the
    CAWS
    UM
    work
    group?
    C.
    Do
    you
    know
    if
    other
    possible
    impacts
    to aquatic
    life
    (such
    as
    water
    quality
    and
    habitat)
    were
    considered
    in
    the development
    of
    the
    Threshold
    Effects
    Concentrations (TEC)
    and
    Probable Effects
    Concentrations
    (PEC)
    or was
    it
    assumed
    that
    degraded
    biological
    conditions
    were
    caused
    exclusively
    by
    sediment
    contamination?
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    d.
    MacDonald,
    et al (2000)
    defined
    TEC
    as
    threshold
    effects
    concentration
    below
    which
    adverse
    effects
    are not
    expected
    to occur
    and PEC
    as
    probable
    effect
    concentrations
    above
    which
    adverse
    effects
    are
    expected
    to
    occur.
    Based
    on this,
    would
    you agree
    that potential
    biological
    effects
    in
    sediments
    with
    contaminant
    concentrations
    between
    the TEC
    and PEC
    are
    uncertain?
    7.
    You
    testify
    on
    page
    4 of your
    sediment
    testimony
    that
    “Hester
    Dendy
    samples
    tend to indicate
    benthic
    invertebrate
    taxa
    that might
    be present
    at a given
    location
    if there were
    habitat
    available.”
    a.
    Do Hester
    Dendy
    artificial substrate
    samples
    indicate
    taxa
    that
    are
    present
    when
    other
    collection
    techniques
    (such
    as petite
    ponar
    grabs)
    are
    inadequate
    to
    sample
    substrates
    such
    as
    coarse
    gravel
    (16
    — 64mm),
    cobble, boulder
    or
    woody
    debris
    at
    a
    given
    location?
    b.
    Do you
    agree
    that petite
    ponar
    grabs
    are more
    selective
    of finer
    grain
    substrates
    such
    as
    silt,
    sand and
    fine gravel
    because
    larger
    material
    can
    interfere
    with
    complete
    jaw
    closure
    of
    the
    ponar?
    c.
    Is
    it your
    testimony
    that Hester
    Dendy
    samples
    in the
    CAWS
    attract
    macroinvertebrates
    from
    outside
    the
    CAWS?
    d.
    Do
    you
    believe that
    a
    sample
    of macroinvertebrates
    collected
    only
    from fine
    bottom
    sediments
    provides
    useful indication
    of overall
    biological
    condition
    in
    the stream?
    Do
    you
    know of
    macroinvertebrate
    indexes
    that
    focus
    solely
    on
    samples
    from
    fine,
    bottom sediments
    in streams?
    8.
    You
    indicate
    on page 4
    that
    “Sand and
    silt
    dominated
    sediment
    throughout
    the North
    Shore
    Channel
    (NSC),
    and
    the depth
    of fines
    measured
    greater
    than 4
    feet
    at
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    two stations.”
    Can you
    identify
    these two stations?
    Are
    both of these stations
    located
    in
    upper or lower
    North
    Shore
    Channel?
    9.
    When
    you indicate
    on
    page
    4 that
    “Toxicity
    results showed
    significant
    lethality
    from
    exposure
    to
    NSC sediments
    from
    one
    station,”
    are you referring
    to Foster
    Avenue?
    a.
    Is it true that
    there were two
    samples from
    this
    site
    and
    only
    one
    sample showed
    a significant
    difference
    in percent survival compared
    to
    only
    one
    of the
    • two control
    samples?
    b.
    Is it also true that th
    other sample
    from this
    site
    had
    a
    survival
    of
    94
    percent? Did percent
    survival
    at the other sites
    on the North
    Shore
    Channel
    range
    from 79 percent
    to
    96 percent?
    V
    c.
    How many different
    types
    (genera/species/taxa)
    of
    test
    organisms
    were used
    in these toxicity tests?
    d.
    Are there sources of
    contaminants
    located Upstream
    of this
    station,
    such as Combined
    Sewer Overflows
    or point source
    dischargers?
    10.
    When you state on
    page 4 that
    “Concentrations of
    trace
    metals
    in NSC
    sediments were
    generally below
    the PEC, but most
    samples exhibited
    cadmium,
    copper,
    lead,
    nickel
    and
    zinc
    concentrations
    above the TEC.”
    Are these
    results
    comparable
    with
    those for the North
    Shore
    Channel, as
    presented in
    the
    CAWS
    UAA
    (Attachment
    B to
    the
    Agency’s
    Statement of Reasons)?
    II.
    You also
    state
    on
    page 4
    that “Oligochaeta
    was the
    dominant
    taxon
    collected
    from the NSC.”
    Was this true for
    all sampling
    sites
    for both
    petite
    ponar
    and
    Hester-Dendy substrate
    samples?
    Was
    it true at Foster
    Avenue?
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    12.
    “Along
    the North
    Branch Chicago
    River (NBCR),
    sediments
    were
    less
    dominated
    by fine
    sediments
    at the furthest
    upstream
    location.”
    (See
    page 4).
    Is this
    station
    located
    within
    the CAWS
    just downstream
    of
    the
    confluence
    with
    the North
    Shore
    Channel?
    What station
    are
    you
    referring
    to
    on page 4
    when
    you testify
    that
    “Depth
    of fines
    at this
    station was
    as
    deep
    as>
    5 feet”?
    13.
    According
    to
    your testimony
    on page
    5,
    “Five of six
    sediment
    samples
    from the
    NBCR during
    2005
    had
    PAH
    concentrations
    presumed
    toxic.
    Generally,
    trace
    metal concentrations
    in
    sediment
    samples
    were either
    above
    the PEC
    or
    TEC
    screening
    levels
    in all samples.”
    How do these
    findings
    compare
    to those
    reported
    in the
    CAWS
    UAA
    (Attachment
    B
    to
    the Statement
    of Reasons)?
    14.
    You state
    on page
    5
    that
    “Toxicity results
    showed
    significant
    lethality
    from
    exposure
    to Diversey
    Parkway
    and
    Grand
    Avenue
    on the
    North Branch
    Chicago
    River.”
    a.
    Is it
    true
    that
    there
    were
    two
    samples
    from
    both of
    these
    stations
    and that
    only one
    sample
    at
    each
    site showed
    a significant
    difference
    in
    percent
    survival
    compared
    to only
    one
    of the
    two control
    samples?
    b.
    Is it true that
    the
    other
    samples
    at
    these
    sites had
    survivals
    of
    86
    percent
    and 93
    percent
    with
    no
    significant
    difference
    when
    compared
    to
    the
    control
    samples?
    c.
    Was survival
    at
    Wilson
    Avenue
    84
    percent
    and 93
    percent
    with
    no
    significant
    difference
    compared
    to
    the
    control
    samples?
    15.
    When
    you state
    on
    page
    5
    that
    “Pollution
    tolerant
    aquatic
    worms
    were
    the
    dominant
    organisms
    collected
    from
    the deep
    draft portion
    of
    the NBCR”
    do you mean
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    that this
    was
    true
    for all
    sampling
    sites
    for
    both
    petite
    ponar
    and
    Hester-Dendy
    substrate
    samples?
    Does
    this
    include
    the
    sites
    at
    Diversey
    Parkway
    and Grand
    Avenue?
    16.
    Please
    indicate
    where
    in
    the
    record
    the
    data
    is
    located
    to support
    the
    statement
    that “Approximately
    13
    percent
    of
    midge
    specimens
    collected
    and
    examined
    from
    Grand
    Avenue
    in
    the
    North
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    during
    2002
    exhibited
    head
    capsule
    deformities”?
    What
    types
    of deformities
    were
    found?
    What
    were
    the
    percent
    deformities
    at other
    sites
    in the
    North
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    and
    North
    Shore
    Channel?
    What
    species
    exhibited
    these
    deformities?
    17.
    Is the
    statement
    on page
    5
    that “Fine
    sediments
    dominated
    the
    Chicago
    River
    bottom,
    with
    1 —5
    feet
    depth
    of fines”
    based
    on
    a physical
    habitat
    analysis
    of
    the
    sampling
    sites
    (such
    as
    QHEI)
    or the
    analysis
    of the
    petite
    ponar
    sediment
    samples?
    What
    was the
    predominant
    fine
    sediment
    -
    silt, sand,.
    fine
    gravel
    or
    other?
    18.
    When
    you state
    on
    page 5
    that “Analysis
    of
    sediments
    from
    the
    Chicago
    River
    (main
    stem)
    sampling
    stations
    showed
    presumed
    toxic
    concentrations
    of
    PAHs
    and
    polychlorinated
    biphenyls
    (PCBs),”
    are
    these
    results
    comparable
    to
    what was
    reported
    in the
    CAWS
    UAA
    (Attachment
    B to
    the
    Statement
    of Reasons)?
    Did all
    eight
    toxicity
    tests
    indicate
    88 percent
    to
    99 percent
    survival
    with
    no significant
    difference
    compared
    to
    the
    control
    samples?
    19.
    Was
    it true
    of both
    Hester-Dendy
    substrate
    and
    petite
    ponar
    samples
    at
    both Lake
    Shore
    Drive
    and
    Wells
    Street
    that
    a
    “majority
    of benthic
    invertebrates
    collected
    from
    the
    Chicago
    River
    were
    aquatic
    worms”
    (see page
    5)?
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    20.
    You testify on
    page 5 that “F-lester Dendy
    samples yielded a
    total
    of 22
    species . . .while ponar samples
    only had 5 species, as
    would be expected
    given
    the
    high quality lake
    water
    in this reach
    and
    the poor
    sediment habitat quality.”
    a.
    Of these 22
    species
    how
    many
    are considered
    tolerant and
    intolerant?
    b.
    Is it true that the Hester-Dendy
    substrate and petite ponar samples
    at Wells Street each consisted
    of more
    than
    90
    percent aquatic worms?
    c.
    Did Gammarus fasciatus (an
    intolerant amphipod) make
    up 56
    percent of the population in th Hester-Dendy
    sample at Lake Shore Drive but only
    4
    percent
    at
    Wells Street? Given the above statement
    about
    high
    quality lake water
    and
    poor sediment quality in this reach, how do you
    explain this decline?
    21.
    On Page 6 of your testimony
    in reference to the South Fork of
    the
    South
    Branch Chicago
    River
    you
    state
    that
    “Tolerant
    benthic invertebrate taxa comprised
    over
    99
    percent . - “ Was this true for both
    Hester-Dendy substrate and petite ponar
    samples?
    22.
    On page 6
    of
    your
    testimony in
    reference to the
    South
    Fork of South
    Branch Chicago River you
    state that
    “Sediment toxicity bioassays
    also
    confirmed
    toxicity
    to
    Chironomus tentans . . .“ Is it true
    that samples from 2006 had 66 percent
    and 75 percent
    survival and were not significantly
    different compared to the controls?
    23.
    You
    testify on page 6 regarding
    the
    Sanitary
    and Ship Canal that
    “[alt the
    three stations
    further downstream, the
    channel bottom was often scoured concrete.”
    In
    your opinion,
    does this make the
    habitat better
    or worse than
    the areas
    with
    large
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    amounts
    of fine sediments?
    Where
    did the
    sediment
    that
    was scoured
    from the
    bottom
    go?
    24.
    On page
    7 of your testimony
    regarding
    the
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    you
    state that
    “The results from
    physical
    habitat
    characterizations in
    the Calu met-Sag
    Channel
    (CSC)
    clearly
    show
    that the sediments
    lack substrate
    heterogeneity.”
    Is this
    statement
    based on a physical
    habitat
    assessment
    (such
    as the QHEI)
    or
    on the
    ponar
    grab
    samples?
    25.
    On
    page
    7 of
    your testimony
    regarding the Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    you
    testify
    that
    “Aquatic vegetation
    .was absent
    during the
    surveys, except for
    attached
    green algae.”
    This
    is the first mention
    of aquatic vegetation
    in
    your
    testimony.
    Was
    aquatic vegetation
    present in the
    other
    waterways
    previously discussed?
    26.
    If one of two
    sediment toxicity
    tests conducted
    is significantly
    different
    from
    one control
    sample but not the
    other
    control
    sample, then
    would this mean
    the
    test
    was inconclusive?
    Why was
    the number
    of control samples
    for toxicity
    tests
    reduced
    from two
    controls
    to
    only one?
    27.
    Are you
    familiar with tiered
    sediment screening
    methodologies
    that
    take
    into consideration specific
    chemical, aquatic
    life and
    bioassay
    lines
    and weight
    of
    evidence approaches
    to determine
    the effects of sediments
    on
    aquatic
    life?
    If
    so,
    please
    describe any such
    analyses the District
    has performed.
    28.
    In
    your opinion, are toxics
    in sediments
    biologically
    available
    throughout
    the CAWS to the
    extent that
    you would
    conclude
    that sediment
    toxicity
    would
    prevent
    attainment
    of
    the aquatic life uses
    that Illinois EPA
    proposes
    for
    the
    CAWS?
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    29.
    With
    regard to your
    macroinvertebrate sampling
    methods,
    how deep
    were
    petite ponar
    samples in each of the
    waterways
    (side and
    center)? How deep were
    Hester-Dendy
    substrates deployed
    in the waterways
    (side
    and center)?
    30.
    Is it true that Oligochaeta
    were the predominant organism in petite
    ponar
    grab samples, making
    up about 86 percent to
    100 percent,
    from all CAWS
    sites except
    for the CSSC at Lockpdrt
    and South Branch
    Chicago
    River? Would you agree
    that
    sediment
    contamination did not seem to
    make any
    difference in the relative
    abundance
    of Oligocha
    eta?
    V
    31.
    Are you aware that Oligocha
    eta were also the,
    dominant
    organism in
    Hester
    Dendy Substrate samples at several CAWS sites including Grand
    Calumet
    River, CSSC, South Fork of South Branch
    Chicago River, Chicago River, North
    Branch
    Chicago River and the North Shore Channel?
    32.
    You have indicated that Hester Dendy substrate samples
    had more
    Ephemeroptera, Plecoptera and Trichoptera (EPT) taxa than petite pohar
    grab
    samples.
    a.
    V
    How many taxa of Trichoptera and Plecoptera
    would you
    expect
    to
    be
    found in fine sediments such as silt and sand?
    b.
    Is it
    true
    that only about, nine EPT
    taxa
    were found
    on Hester
    Dendy
    substrate samples throughout CAWS from 2001 through 2004? Is it
    also true that
    each
    of these taxa made up les
    than 1 percent of the population at
    all sites except
    one?
    c.
    How does the above information
    about
    Oligocha
    eta and EPT
    taxa
    in
    Hester Dendy
    samples indicate
    good
    water quality?
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    Questions for Christo
    Pertropoulou
    1)
    You
    state
    in
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    the following: “For
    the
    last three
    years I have been the project manager
    for the
    Metropolitan
    Water Reclamation
    District
    of Greater
    Chicago
    Microbial Risk
    Assessment
    Study”
    and
    that “I have been
    intimately
    involved
    with every aspect of the MRA study.”
    When you
    state “The main of
    objective
    of
    the
    MRA study was to evaluate the human
    health
    impact
    of continuing the
    current
    practice
    of not disinfecting the effluents from the
    District’s North Side,
    Stickney
    and
    Calu met
    water
    reclamation plants versus
    initiating disinfection of the effluent
    at
    these
    three plants” did you formulate that objective?
    a.
    If so, when did you formulate
    it and
    what
    did you base it on?
    b.
    If not, who did formulate
    it? How did
    they communicate
    it to
    you?
    When
    did they
    communicate it to you?
    2.
    Have
    you performed risk assessments
    in the
    past?
    Have these
    assessments
    evaluated risks attributable to microbial contaminants?
    3.
    Have you performed sampling for microbial contaminants in
    the
    past?
    Which indicators
    organisms have you sampled
    and
    where?
    4.
    Are you an expert in
    microbial
    risk assessment? If so, what
    makes
    you
    an
    expert?
    5.
    You
    state that dry weather samples were taken
    in 2005. How did
    you
    define your dry
    weather period?
    6.
    Wet
    weather samples were taken
    in
    the 2006
    recreational season.
    Were
    any dry weather
    samples taken in 2006 also? How did you define
    the wet weather
    period for sampling
    purposes?
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    7.
    Why
    were there
    75
    dry weather
    samples
    compared
    to only
    50 wet
    weather
    samples?
    8.
    How
    were the
    sampling
    locations
    chosen?
    9.
    Explain
    why the
    dry and
    wet weather
    results
    were
    integrated?
    10.
    On
    pages 2 and
    3 of
    your
    pre-
    filed
    testimony
    you list
    three
    specific
    objectives
    of
    the 2005
    dry weather
    sampling.
    When
    were
    these
    objectives
    formulated?
    Who
    formulated
    them?
    V
    On page
    3 of your
    pro-filed
    testimony
    you
    list four specific
    objectives
    of
    the
    2006 wet
    weather sampling.
    When
    were these
    objecfives
    formulated?
    Who
    formulated
    them?
    V
    V
    12.
    The
    first objective
    of
    the
    wet
    weather
    sampling
    is
    stated as
    “Evaluate
    the
    impact
    of the
    reclamation
    plan
    wet weather
    flow
    on the microbial
    quality
    of the
    plant
    oütfalls.”
    Please
    clarify
    the
    meaning
    and intent
    of
    this
    objective?
    13.
    Did
    you sample
    at different
    locations
    during
    wet weather
    than
    during
    dry
    weather?
    Why?
    14.
    You
    state
    on page
    4 of your pre-filed
    testimony
    that
    you tested
    for
    the
    “U.S.
    EPA-approved
    indicator
    microorganisms,
    such
    as E. coil,
    Enterococci,
    and
    focal
    coliform.”
    What
    makes
    these U.S.
    EPA approved?
    Where
    there
    others
    besides
    these
    three?
    If
    so, do you
    consider
    the
    other indicators
    sampled
    to be U.S.
    EPA
    approved
    indicators?
    15.
    One
    of the
    criteria
    for selecting
    pathogens
    for the
    MRA
    study
    identified
    on
    page
    4
    of your testimony
    was
    ‘There
    are U.S.
    EPA-approved
    methods
    or
    laboratory
    standard
    operating
    procedures
    (SOPs)
    available
    for
    measurement
    of
    the
    selected
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    pathogens.”
    Did
    all of
    the
    pathogens
    selected
    have
    U.S.
    EPA
    approved
    methods
    or
    procedures?
    If
    not, which
    ones
    did
    not?
    16.
    Why
    did
    you
    take
    dry
    weather
    measurements
    at
    the surface
    and
    1 meter
    depth,
    but
    not take
    wet
    weather
    measurements
    at
    these
    same
    depths?
    17.
    Why
    did you
    notice
    significant
    differences
    in the
    E.
    Coil
    and
    Enterococci
    results
    by
    site during
    wet weather?
    18.
    You state
    on
    page 6
    of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    that
    Pseudomonas
    aeruginosa
    is
    lower
    in the
    wet
    weather
    outlal[
    samples
    than in
    the upstream
    and
    downstream
    samples
    and
    that
    this
    demonstrates that
    the source
    of this
    organism
    is
    not
    wastewater
    treatment
    plant
    effluent.
    What
    do
    you think
    the
    source
    might
    be?
    19.
    Explain
    what
    you
    mean
    by the
    statement
    on page
    6
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    that
    states,
    “The
    results
    indicate
    that
    there
    are no
    significant
    correlations
    between
    dry
    weather
    fecal
    coliform
    indicator
    bacteria
    and
    pathogens.
    The
    wet
    weather
    results
    indicate
    that
    there
    is
    a
    better correlation
    between
    fecal
    coliform
    and
    other
    indicator
    bacteria
    and
    pathogens.”
    20.
    Did you
    look
    at
    whether
    or not
    indicator
    organisms
    other than
    fecal
    coliform
    had
    better
    correlation
    with
    pathogens
    during
    dry weather?
    21.
    What
    type àf
    correlation
    did you
    find during
    wet weather
    between
    indicator
    bacteria
    and
    pathogens?
    22.
    Do
    you
    know
    why
    both
    the
    Calumet
    reach
    and
    the
    Calumet
    outfall
    as
    you
    studied
    them had
    lower
    viable
    Giardia
    cysts
    than the
    Stickney
    and North
    Side
    reaches
    and
    outfalls?
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    23.
    On page
    5 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “...
    results
    indicate
    the
    concentrations
    of
    bacteria,
    viruses
    and
    protozoa
    in the
    waterway
    increased
    during
    wet
    weather
    conditions.”
    Will
    the bacteria,
    viruses
    and
    protozoa
    that
    are
    present
    due to
    CSOs
    decrease
    as
    CSO
    flows
    are decreased
    or
    eliminated
    with the
    completion
    of
    TARP?
    Will
    TARP
    be done
    in the 8-10
    years
    that the
    District
    testifies
    it will
    take
    to
    build
    disinfection
    equipment?
    24.
    On
    page 6 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “...there
    Are
    no
    significant
    correlations
    between
    dryweather
    fecal coliform
    indicator
    bacteria
    and
    other indicatot
    bacteria
    and pathogens.”
    Did E. coil
    or Enterococci
    have
    significant
    correlations
    with
    pathogens?
    25.
    Did
    U.S. EPA
    provide
    comments
    on this
    study? If
    so,
    what
    were
    the
    comments
    you
    received?
    Provide
    U.S. EPA’s
    comments
    for
    the
    record.
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    Charles P.
    Gerba
    1.
    Please explain
    the
    difference between
    an indicator
    and a pathogen,
    as
    those terms
    are used on
    page
    2 of
    your
    pre-filed testimony?
    2.
    What does “enteric”
    mean?
    3.
    On page 2
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “The
    indicators
    selected
    are
    those
    which
    have been traditionally
    used and those recommended
    by
    the
    United
    States Environmental
    Protection
    Agency
    and the
    World
    Health
    Organization
    for
    assessment
    of recreational
    water quality
    (NRC, 2004).”
    Please explain
    which
    organisms
    were chosen
    because
    they
    are traditiànally
    used? Which
    organisms
    were
    chosen
    because
    they are recommended
    by
    U.S. EPA
    for
    assessment of
    recreational
    water
    quality? Which organisms
    were chosen
    because
    they are
    recommended
    by the
    WHO for assessment
    of recreational
    waterquality?
    4.
    On page 3 of
    your pre-filed testimony,
    you state
    that there
    are no
    U.S.
    EPA approved methods
    fbr detecting norovirus
    even
    though it is the most
    common
    cause of viral
    diarrhea
    in
    the United States.
    Why?
    Please
    explain
    your method
    for
    estimating
    the
    norovirus concentration?
    5.
    On pages 3 and 4
    of your pre-filed testimony,
    you
    state
    that there
    are
    no
    U.S.
    EPA approved
    methods
    for
    detecting
    adenoviruses
    even though they
    are the
    second leading
    cause of
    viral diarrhea in children
    and have
    been detected
    in
    greater
    concentration
    in
    wastewater
    than any
    other enteric
    virus.
    Why?
    Please
    explain
    your
    methodology
    for
    analyzing
    adenovirus in
    wastewater?
    6.
    On
    page 4
    of your
    pre-filed testimony
    you
    state that levels
    of
    pathogens
    found in
    the
    CAWS
    were equal to or
    lower than values
    you
    have observed in other
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    places
    with
    both
    disinfected
    and undisinfected
    effluents.
    Is it
    your
    professional
    opinion
    that
    the
    common
    practice
    of effluent
    disinfection
    at
    wastewater
    treatment
    plants
    in
    the
    United
    States
    is
    unwarranted
    by
    the
    science?
    7.
    On
    page
    5 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state
    that
    “Disinfection
    is
    warranted
    in situations
    where
    direct
    human
    contact
    in the immediate
    vicinity
    of
    an outfall
    is possible
    or where
    effluent
    is
    discharged
    to areas
    involving
    the production
    of
    human
    food.”
    Please
    define
    “the
    immediate
    vicinity of
    an outfall”?
    What
    do
    you mean
    by
    “areas
    involving
    the production
    of
    human
    food.”?
    8.
    You state
    that “it
    is
    not
    clear that
    wastewater
    disinfection
    alway
    yields
    improved
    effluent
    or
    receiving
    water
    quality.” Is
    it your testimony
    that
    disinfection
    should
    only
    be
    required
    when it is
    demonstrated
    to
    yield water
    quality
    improvements?
    9.
    Based on
    your extensive
    experience
    in
    the
    field,
    what indicator
    organism
    or organisms
    would
    you recommend
    that
    U.S. EPA
    use
    in
    the
    establishment
    of water
    quality criteria
    for the
    protection
    of
    primary
    and
    secondary
    contact
    recreational
    activities?
    10.
    On
    page 5
    of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “In applying
    any
    disinfectant,
    it
    is
    important
    to
    strike
    a balance
    between
    risks associated
    with
    microbial
    pathogens
    and
    those associated
    with
    DBPs.”
    What are
    the
    disinfection
    byproducts
    of
    UV disinfection?
    11.
    Page
    5
    of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “Therefore,
    it is
    uncertain
    if
    disinfection
    designed
    to remove
    indicators
    can
    be
    effective
    in the
    removal
    of
    pathogens
    and in the
    reduction
    of
    pathogen
    risks.”
    Please
    explain
    what
    you
    mean by
    this
    statement.
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    I 2.
    On
    page
    5,
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state:
    “In
    applying
    any
    disinfectant,
    it
    is important
    to
    strike
    a
    balance
    between
    risks
    associated
    with
    microbial
    pathogens
    and
    those
    associated
    with
    DBPs.
    What
    methods
    of
    disinfection
    produce
    DBPs
    and
    what
    specific
    DBPs
    are
    produced?
    13.
    Does
    ozonation
    or
    U.V.
    light
    disinfection
    produce DBPs?
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    Questions
    for
    Keith Tolson
    1.
    On pages
    1-2 you
    testify
    that “I was
    responsible
    for
    the
    calculation
    and
    interpretation
    of
    risks summarized
    in the
    April
    2008
    Geosyntec
    Report.”
    Please
    explain
    your
    role on
    this study
    in more
    detail.
    2.
    You
    conclude
    that the
    “risks for
    gastrointestinal
    illness
    associated
    with
    recreational
    use
    of
    the
    Chicago Area
    Waterway
    are low.”
    What
    would be
    a high
    rate
    of
    risk
    of illness?
    3.
    You
    also
    conclude
    that the
    risks associated
    with
    recreational
    use
    of the
    CAWS are
    “mainly
    due
    to
    secondary
    loading
    of the
    waterway
    under
    wet
    weather
    conditions
    from CSOs
    and other
    discharges..
    .“ What
    do
    you base
    this
    conclusion
    on?
    4.
    How
    did
    you
    go about
    estimating
    the dose
    to the user
    based
    on the
    type
    of
    recreational
    activity
    on the
    CAWS?
    What
    recreational
    uses were
    considered?
    5.
    Explain
    the difference
    between
    “quantitative
    microbial
    risk
    assessment”
    and “probabilistic
    microbial
    risk assessment”?
    6.
    What
    assumptions
    were made
    in
    your risk assessment
    study
    regarding
    how
    frequently
    hand-powered
    boaters
    capsize?
    Have
    you reviewed
    the
    testimony
    from
    the
    June 16,
    2008
    Board hearing
    in
    this
    matter
    dedicated
    to recreational
    users for
    consistency
    with
    your assumptions?
    If
    so,
    what
    did
    you
    conclude?
    7.
    Why
    have
    you concluded
    that
    conditions
    in the
    CAWS
    will
    not be
    improved
    by
    disinfecting
    the
    District’s
    effluent?
    8.
    What
    do you
    mean when
    you say
    you used
    “state-of-the-science
    methodology”?
    9.
    What
    regulatory
    documents,
    industry
    white
    papers
    and peer-reviewed
    literature
    are you
    referring
    to on
    page 4 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony?
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    io.
    On page 3 you state that
    “Recreational survey studies were used to
    provide insight
    on the types and frequency of recreational
    exposure
    expected in the
    waterway.” Which surveys specifically
    were used and who conducted them? How
    many recreators were surveyed? What were
    the results of these
    surveys? Did
    the
    surveys
    consider
    how frequently
    recreators used the CAWS or whether they fell in?
    II.
    On page 6,
    paragraph
    4 your testimony states that “Disinfection results
    in
    effluent pathogen risk decreasing from
    a low level to essentially zero from
    the
    water
    reclamation plants but has little impact in waterway pathogen
    concentrations
    affected
    by
    current
    or past wet
    weather conditions.”
    Are you relying on the findings and conclusions
    in Mr.
    Gerba’s
    testimony to make this statement? As TARP is completed and
    CSO
    events
    happen
    infrequently, will disinfection have more of an impact
    on
    the waterway
    pathogen
    concentrations?
    12.
    On page 6,
    paragraph
    3
    of your pre-filed testimony you state:
    “Disinfection
    of the effluent
    outfall
    was
    predicted to result in a decrease in effluent pathogen loads
    from the
    water reclamation plants but have
    little effect on
    overall pathogen
    concentration in the
    waterway.”
    a.
    Does
    “overall” include wet weather? Does
    “overall” include dry
    weather?
    b.
    Please describe
    and identify the data
    demonstrating that
    wastewater
    treatment
    plant effluents are
    not the dominant
    source of pathogens
    during
    the recreation
    season.
    13.
    On
    page 7,
    paragraph I
    states that “Results
    demonstrate that,
    although
    indicator levels are
    relatively high
    at the water reclamation
    plant effluents and at
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    locations
    downstream
    of the
    plants
    and
    the
    North Branch
    Pumping
    Station
    and
    Racine
    Avenue
    Pumping
    Station,
    pathogen
    levels
    are generally
    low.”
    Indicator
    levels
    are
    relatively
    high compared
    to what?
    Pathogen
    levels
    are generally
    low
    compared
    to
    what?
    Why
    do
    you
    think
    pathogens
    levels
    are low
    compared
    to
    indicator
    levels?
    14.
    You
    testify
    that
    “Selection
    of input
    distributions
    relied
    on literature
    derived
    sources,
    site-specific
    use information
    and
    professional
    judgment.”
    Which
    of these
    sources
    was
    used to
    estimate
    how
    long
    a canoeist
    or kayaker
    will
    be out
    on the
    water?
    And
    how often
    that
    person
    would
    participate
    in that
    activity?
    And
    how often
    an
    individual
    would
    ingest
    water?
    15.
    On
    page
    4 you
    testify
    that
    “Concentrations
    of pathogens
    in the
    waterway
    were
    selected
    for
    each
    simulation
    from
    the
    entire
    dataset
    of
    dry
    and
    wet
    weather
    samples
    collected.”
    Does
    this statement
    mean
    that
    all
    of
    the
    data
    was used
    or that
    portions
    of
    it were
    used?
    16.
    Explain
    what
    you
    mean
    when
    you
    state
    that
    “risks
    to recreational
    users
    is
    low and
    within
    the U.S.
    EPA
    recommended
    risk limits
    for primary
    contact
    exposure.”
    17.
    You conclude
    that
    the
    Calumet
    waterway
    has the
    lowest
    illness
    rate
    compared
    to the
    North
    Side
    and
    Stickney
    areas
    of
    the
    CAWS.
    Do
    you know
    why
    this
    is? Is
    it
    related
    more
    to
    the number
    of recreators,
    the
    type of
    recreation
    or
    the
    pathogen
    levels
    used
    in
    the assessment?
    18.
    You
    state
    on
    page
    5 that
    “It is
    important
    to note
    that
    the
    U.S.
    EPA has
    not
    developed
    any
    secondary
    contact
    water quality
    criteria.
    However,
    the
    U.S.
    EPA
    has
    proposed
    a
    range
    of primary
    contact
    acceptable
    risk
    thresholds
    and currently
    has
    primary
    contact
    water
    quality
    criteria
    protective
    of
    immersion
    activities
    that
    is
    based
    on
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    an acceptable
    risk threshold
    of
    8 illnesses
    per 1,000
    swimmers.” This
    8 in 1,000
    risk
    level
    is expressed
    as a water
    quality criteria
    E.
    coil value
    of
    126 cfu per 100 ml.
    What
    would
    be a corresponding
    ambient
    standard
    that
    would
    be
    protective
    of incidental
    or
    non-contact
    recreational
    uses that
    occur
    in the CAWS
    at the 8
    illnesses
    per 1,000
    swimmers
    risk level?
    19.
    Can you explain
    how U.S.
    EPA came
    up
    with 8 illnesses per
    1,000
    swimmers?
    Do you
    agree with this
    risk level?
    Do you
    know if they
    are considering
    revising
    this risk level?
    20.
    You testify that the
    highest risk
    is
    based on
    the proportion
    of users
    engaged
    in
    the
    activity and
    the pathogen
    load in the waterway
    segment. What
    about
    the
    length
    of time
    or frequency the individual
    engages
    in the
    activity?
    21.
    You use the term
    “non-point
    discharges” on page
    6 which
    you give
    examples of as CSOs,
    pumping stations
    and
    stormwater
    outfalls. Are these
    considered
    point sources
    under the Clean Water
    Act? Are they
    required to
    obtain NPDES
    permits?
    22.
    On page 7
    you
    testify
    that the
    weather and waterway
    sampling
    relied
    on
    are
    representative of the
    entire recreational
    year. How was the
    representativeness
    of
    the
    data determined?
    23.
    Which
    of
    the
    three areas
    of
    the
    CAWS
    you
    looked at
    had
    the fewest
    recreators?
    Which
    area had the
    most?
    24.
    Is this
    the first
    time you have
    conducted
    a risk
    assessment
    of illness
    from
    bacteriological
    contamination
    as
    opposed to risk from
    exposure
    to toxic
    substances?
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    25.
    If
    I recreate
    on
    the North
    Shore
    Channel,
    for
    example,
    and my activity
    is
    canoeing
    once per
    week from
    June through
    September,
    would I have to
    multiply
    the
    risk
    level by 12 to
    determine
    my personal
    risk from
    that activity?
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    Questions for Samuel Dorevitch
    1.
    Page 1, paragraph
    I of your pre-filed
    testimony
    states that you
    are
    “a
    medical doctor, with
    training and
    board certification
    in
    Emergency Medicine and
    also
    in
    Preventative Medicine...” With
    your training
    and board certification
    in
    Preventative
    Medicine, would
    you recommend recreating
    (swimming, canoeing, etc.) in
    undisinfected
    effluent?
    2.
    What scientific data
    are you referring
    to on page
    2 of your pre-filed
    testimony?
    3.
    Are you
    suggesting that the scientific consensus that air pollution
    causes
    illness is more settled than the scientific
    consensus that bacteria and pathogens
    cause
    illness?
    4.
    In listing information “one would
    want to know” your
    testimony
    includes
    the
    following:
    “Are
    rates
    of
    illness higher among
    CAWS recreators compared to
    recreators
    doing
    the
    same
    activities
    on
    water that do not receive treated wastewater?”
    and
    “How
    does the contribution of water
    reclamation
    plants to microbial measures
    of water
    quality
    compare to the
    contributions of runoff and sewer overflows?”
    Why is it relevant
    to
    your
    analysis whether the risk to the
    recreator is from undisinfected
    effluent or some
    other
    source?
    5.
    Another thing “one
    would want to
    know” is “Are the pathogens
    responsible
    for illness; bacteria,
    viruses or
    parasites,
    which may require
    different water quality
    treatment strategies.” Why would
    it matter if one was dealing
    with
    a
    virus
    instead
    of
    bacteria? Explain
    what
    would be
    different about the treatment
    strategy if the
    responsible pathogen was
    a
    virus
    rather than bacteria?
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    6.
    Another
    question
    you
    pose
    in
    your
    testimony
    is
    “If
    the
    Pollution
    Control
    Board
    were
    to establish
    a
    water
    quality
    standard,
    rather
    than
    a
    disinfection
    requirement,
    is there
    a
    microbial
    water
    quality
    level
    above
    which
    risk is
    unacceptable
    and below
    which
    risk
    is acceptable.”
    a.
    Are you
    able
    to recommend
    such
    a
    microbial
    water
    quality
    level
    to
    the
    Board
    today?
    If so,
    what
    would
    you recommend?
    If
    not,
    will the
    CHEERS
    study
    result
    in such
    a
    recommendation
    when
    complete?
    b.
    Can
    you
    identify
    what
    organism
    would be
    the best
    indicator
    for
    this
    type
    of
    ambient
    standard?
    c.
    If
    you
    do
    not
    have a
    conclusion
    at
    this time,
    do
    you
    think
    you
    will
    have
    one at
    the conclusion
    of
    the CHEERS
    study?
    7.
    You
    reference
    to
    an outbreak
    in Tazewell
    County,
    was
    that
    from
    immersion
    in
    a
    river
    or a
    swimming
    pool?
    8.
    Explain
    what
    you
    mean by
    the
    terms
    “epidemic”
    and “outbreak”
    on
    page
    3
    of
    your
    testimony
    in
    the context
    of illnesses
    from
    recreational
    activity.
    9.
    Page
    3,
    paragraph
    1, states,
    “Since
    1978,
    the
    U.S.
    Centers
    for Disease
    Control
    and
    Prevention
    has
    monitored
    disease
    outbreaks
    linked
    to water
    recreation.”
    a.
    Are
    all illnesses
    reported
    to
    this data
    base?
    b.
    Do
    all people
    that
    get
    sick,
    go
    to
    a doctor?
    If
    you
    don’t
    go to the
    doctor,
    will
    your
    illness
    be
    included
    in this
    data
    base?
    c.
    Are
    the outbreaks
    in the
    CDC
    database
    usually
    associated with
    a
    single
    swimming
    pool
    or bathing
    beach?
    How
    common
    would
    it
    be
    to identify
    an
    “outbreak”
    over
    a
    78
    mile
    waterway?
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    10.
    In
    your testimony
    on
    page 4 you
    refer
    to the
    “quantitative
    microbial
    risk
    assessment”
    to
    support your
    conclusion
    that
    immediate
    action
    is
    not necessary
    to
    address
    the risks
    from
    recreational
    activity
    on the
    CAWS.
    Do you
    understand
    the
    basis
    for
    the
    estimated
    I
    to 2
    illnesses
    per
    1,000
    uses
    in that
    study? Is
    a “use” a
    person
    or
    an
    incident
    of recreating?
    Do
    I need
    to multiply
    my individual
    risk
    by
    the number
    of
    times
    I
    use
    the waterway
    to
    determine
    my individual
    risk?
    Have
    you
    relied
    on
    this study
    in
    developing
    the methodology
    for the CHEERS
    study?
    11.
    Will
    you be assessing
    the impacts
    of
    wading
    and
    jetskiing in
    addition
    to
    fishing,
    boating,
    rowing
    and paddling
    which
    are
    listed
    in your
    testimony
    on page
    4?
    12.
    You
    testify
    that
    public comment
    63
    is
    from
    Daniel
    Woltering
    of WERF.
    Did
    you mean
    to
    say
    public
    comment
    #66?
    13.
    What
    waters
    is the
    CHEERS
    study
    looking
    at
    for
    the General
    Use
    recreators
    group?
    14.
    Can
    you
    explain
    for
    us how you
    feel that
    the CHEERS
    study
    will
    “in
    several
    respects,
    surpass
    the
    U.S. EPA’s
    ongoing
    research
    about
    primary
    contact
    recreation
    known
    as
    the
    National
    Epidemiological
    and Environmental
    Assessment
    of
    Recreational
    Water
    (NEEAR)
    study”?
    15.
    Can
    you
    point to
    a
    citation
    that supports
    the idea that
    U.S. EPA
    places
    considerable
    weight
    on epidemiological
    studies
    when establishing
    environmental
    standards?
    I 6.
    When
    you
    testify regarding
    methods
    of
    ingestion
    on page
    6, you
    indicate
    that
    capsizing
    or
    falling into
    the
    water
    is an
    “unlikely
    event”.
    Can
    you quantify
    unlikely?
    Have
    you
    reviewed
    the
    testimony
    from the
    June 1
    6
    th
    Pollution
    Control
    Board
    hearing
    by
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    recreational
    users
    of
    the
    CAWS?
    If so,
    does
    this change
    your opinion about
    the
    likelihood
    of this event?
    17.
    Is it correct
    that
    one
    goal of
    CHEERS is to
    quantify how much
    water
    exposure
    occurs
    from various
    recreational
    activities?
    Could this information
    be
    used
    to
    review
    the results or rerun
    the
    models from
    the risk assessment
    study
    to
    determine
    a
    more
    accurate level
    of risk?
    How can
    we
    rely
    on the
    results of Dr. Tolson’s
    model
    without
    accurate
    inputs
    for these
    variables?
    18.
    Has U.S. EPA
    reviewed
    the methodology
    and preliminary
    data from
    the
    CHEERS
    study? If not,
    do you plan to
    request
    a
    review
    by US
    EPA? Will this
    study
    be
    peer-reviewed
    once
    completed?
    19.
    What happens
    if you
    cannot
    get
    9,330 people to
    enroll in this study?
    20.
    What causes
    you to state that
    your preliminary
    observations
    suggest
    no
    danger
    to the health of limited
    càntact
    recreators
    on the
    CAWS?
    21.
    Once this
    study
    is completed
    can the
    information then
    be used to
    establish
    water
    quality standards
    for these
    waters? If the
    Board were
    to wait for
    completion
    of
    your
    study,
    would
    your
    study
    alone
    be sufficient
    information
    for the Board to
    conclude
    that
    MWRDGC
    does
    not
    need to
    disinfect its effluent?
    Will it
    be sufficient to
    establish
    incidental
    contact
    recreation water quality
    standards?
    22.
    Explain
    what you
    mean by the statement
    “Preliminary
    analyses
    of 2007
    data show
    that assumptions
    regarding the
    duration
    of various
    recreational
    activities
    were quite
    accurate.”
    Were these
    same assumptions
    or different
    ones used
    in
    the
    probabilistic
    risk assessment?
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    23. “The conduct
    of an
    epidemiological
    and
    a
    risk
    assessment in
    tandem
    is
    unusual
    and this
    opportunity to
    evaluate
    the strengths
    and
    limitations
    of risk
    assessment
    methods
    is one
    reason that there
    is considerable
    national
    interest in
    applying the
    final
    results
    of this research
    to the development
    of
    water
    quality
    regulation.”
    How
    would
    this
    type of information
    be
    applicable
    in the development
    of
    water
    quality
    regulations?
    24.
    When
    you
    identify
    the
    participants recruited
    for
    CHEERS,
    are
    these
    all
    new
    people
    or could
    the same individual
    be included
    multiple
    times
    for different dates
    of
    recreational
    .use?
    V
    25.
    Or page
    8 you
    state
    “Inconsistencies
    between ourobservations
    and
    those
    of
    the
    UAA regarding
    the frequency of
    specific
    recreational
    activities and the
    distinction
    between
    uses and
    users are likely
    due to
    difference
    in methodologies.”
    What
    inconsistencies
    are you
    referring to?
    26.
    Have you
    ever worked
    on an
    epidemiological
    study of gastrointestinal
    illness? Please
    identify these
    studies?
    27.
    Are
    you
    also looking for illnesses
    from
    ear,
    nose
    and throat infections
    in
    the CHEERS
    study?
    28.
    Your letter
    to Mr. Granato
    (Attachment 3
    to
    your
    testimony)
    indicates
    that
    recreational
    observations were
    made while
    recruiting for CHEERS.
    How
    many
    researchers were
    present
    during
    the observation periods?
    How
    did they count
    recreators
    while
    simultaneously signing
    up
    CHEERS
    participants?
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    Questions for Ernest
    R. Blatchley
    1)
    Why
    would the
    conditions
    of disinfection
    that are required
    to yield
    a low
    concentration
    of viable
    coliform
    not
    guarantee
    a
    low concentration
    of microbial
    pathogens?
    2)
    Is it your testimony
    that
    even if waters
    are
    disinfected,
    those
    who
    come
    in
    contact
    with the disinfected
    water
    can still
    get sick?
    3)
    How
    might
    chlorination/dechlorination
    or UV irradiation
    be
    detrimental
    to
    water
    quality, in
    terms
    of bacterial
    composition?
    4)
    What recent research
    are
    you
    referring
    to
    on page 5 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony?
    5)
    On page
    8 of your pre-filed
    testimony,
    you state that it
    is unlikely that
    the
    disinfection process
    as applied
    to CSOs
    or
    non-point sources will
    yield
    substantial
    reductions in
    the risk of
    disease transmission
    associated with
    waterborne
    microbial
    pathogens.
    Why is this
    unlikely?
    6)
    How are
    you defining
    “substantial” in this statement?
    --
    7)
    Are some
    reductions better
    than none?
    8)
    Why will the
    performance
    of UV-based disinfection
    systems
    for
    CSOs
    be
    limited
    by
    water quality
    as you mention
    on
    page
    8?
    9)
    You
    state in your pre-filed
    testimony
    that coliform
    bacteria are
    poor
    indicators
    of
    disinfection
    efficacy.
    Is this
    because
    they are
    easy
    to kill
    (or
    inactivate)
    with chlorine? What
    would be
    a good indicator of
    disinfection
    efficacy?
    10)
    You state in
    your pre-filed testimony
    on page
    5
    that
    “conventional”
    disinfection
    technology
    “systems
    deliver
    modest disinfectant
    doses,
    and
    accomplish
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    modest
    microbial
    inactivation.”
    Please
    give an example of an effluent
    limitation
    that
    would provide for more than
    “modest” microbial
    inactivation?
    11)
    On page 5 of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state that “it appears the
    long-
    term effects
    of
    chlorination/dechlorination
    or
    UV irradiation may
    actually be
    detrimental
    to
    water quality, in terms of bacterial
    composition”. Please explain this conclusion.
    12)
    Define “minimal improvements
    in viral composition” and “control of
    protozoan pathogens may also be quite
    minimal” as you use
    these phrases
    on
    page 5
    of your testimony. What disinfection technologies
    are most effective at dealing
    with
    viruses and protozoa?
    13)
    Are you suggesting
    that
    viruses will
    be
    more prevalent in the
    CAWS if
    MWRDGC installs disinfection
    than they
    are currently? In the conclusion to
    your
    testimony (page 9) you state that compliance with the 400 cfu/100 ml fecal coliform
    effluent standard “may yield diminished water quality relative to a situation in
    which
    disinfection is not practiced.” Please explain the basis for this statement?
    14)
    What
    conclusion should be drawn from
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony that
    where
    wastewater treatment plant
    effluent is treated for
    reuse, exposure to disinfectants
    is ten
    times
    that
    of
    conventional wastewater treatment plant disinfection?
    15)
    On page 4 of
    your pre-filed testimony you state: “Disinfection
    systems
    used
    in municipal
    wastewater treatment applications range from
    no disinfection at
    all, to
    conditions
    that accomplish
    extensive inactivation of nearly
    all
    microbial
    pathogens.”
    What level of
    indicator pathogens
    would constitute
    “extensive inactivation?”
    16)
    On
    page 5 of your
    pre-filed testimony you
    state: “... the populations
    of
    microbes
    in
    disinfected
    water
    will
    change
    with time.
    Many microbes
    have the ability
    to
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    repair
    sub-lethal
    damage,
    and therefore
    can recover
    post-disinfection.”
    What
    do
    you
    mean
    by “populations”?
    17)
    Are repaired
    microbes
    as
    infectious
    as pre-disinfected
    microbes?
    If so,
    do
    you
    have
    any data
    or
    papers
    to support
    that they
    are
    as infectious?
    18)
    What
    is the
    conventional
    disinfectant
    used
    in Europe?
    19)
    You state
    on
    page 7 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    that
    even if
    MWRDGC
    disinfected
    its wastewater
    treatment
    plant effluent,
    there
    would
    be sources
    of
    microbial
    contamination
    to
    the CAWS
    from
    CSOs and
    non-point
    sources.
    What
    are the
    non-point
    sourc’es
    you are referring
    to?
    Are
    one or both
    of these
    contributions
    found
    everywhere
    the disinfection
    of
    wastewater
    treatment
    plant
    effluent
    is
    employed?
    Do you
    believe
    generally
    that
    presence
    of CSOs
    and non-point
    sources
    is sufficient
    reason
    to
    conclude
    that
    disinfection
    of wastewater
    treatment
    plant
    effluent
    is ineffective
    or
    unnecessary?
    When
    would it
    be appropriate
    in your
    opinion?
    20)
    Please
    explain
    the
    basis of
    the following
    opinion
    on
    page 9
    of your
    pre
    filed
    testimony,
    “However,
    in many
    other
    developed
    countries,
    wastewater
    disinfection
    is
    not
    practiced,
    and it appears
    that
    the frequency
    of disease
    transmission
    assoôiated
    with
    water
    contact
    is not
    substantially
    different
    that [sic]
    in
    the
    U.S.,
    where
    wastewater
    disinfection
    is common.”
    Define
    substantially.
    Do
    you think
    that there
    is
    as
    meaningful
    difference?
    More
    or
    fewer
    illnesses?
    21)
    Are
    disinfection
    by-products
    created
    with
    UV
    disinfection?
    Ozone?
    Are
    they higher
    in waters
    that
    have
    been treated
    for reuse?
    22)
    On
    pages 3-4,
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “Although
    coliform
    bacteria
    are
    usually
    plentiful
    in
    untreated
    municipal
    wastewater,
    they are
    easily
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    inactivated
    by
    wastewater
    disinfectants
    such as chlorine, ozone, and ultraviolet
    (UV)
    radiation,
    as compared with many
    microbial pathogens.
    As a
    result, the conditions
    of
    disinfection that are required to
    yield
    a low concentration of viable coliform bacteria
    will
    not
    guarantee a low concentration
    of microbial
    pathogens.” Is
    there
    an indicator
    organism that,
    if
    removed,
    will guarantee
    a low concentration of microbial
    pathogens?
    23)
    On page 4 of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “Disinfectibn systems
    used
    in
    municipal wastewater
    treatment applications
    range from no
    disinfection
    at
    all,
    to
    conditions that accomplish extensive inactivation
    of nearly all microbial
    pathogens.
    For
    purposes of this
    testimony,
    the term ‘cohventional disinfection’ will be
    used to
    describe
    municipal disinfection systems
    that are designed to limit viable coliform
    concentrations
    to
    several
    hundred cfu/1
    00
    mL.
    On the
    spectrum
    of disinfection systems used
    for
    treatment
    of
    municipal wastewater,
    these systems deliver modest disinfectant
    doses,
    and accomplish
    modest
    microbial inactivation.” If one wants to reduce microbial
    pathogens to make
    the water
    safer for
    recreation
    is “conventional disinfection”
    a
    sufficient way
    to do this?
    24)
    On page, 5 of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state, “... or UV
    irradiation
    may
    actually
    be
    detrimental to water quality, in terms of bacterial composition”.
    In what
    way
    will UV
    irradiation be detrimental to the bacterial composition?
    25)
    On page 5 of your pre-filed testimony
    you
    state,
    “Recent research
    has
    demonstrated that
    “conventional disinfection” systems
    yield localized, i.e. zone
    near
    the
    effluent
    outfall, improvements in bacterial quality in receiving
    waters.” How far
    downstream will this
    localized improvement in bacterial
    quality occur?
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    26)
    On
    page 6
    of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “For
    example,
    in most
    countries
    of
    western
    Europe, wastewater
    disinfection
    is
    practiced
    only at
    facilities
    where
    effluent
    discharge
    is
    to a. public
    swimming
    area,
    or
    where
    other
    opportunities
    for
    direct
    human
    contact
    are
    likely
    (e.g.,
    shellfish
    breeding
    grounds).”
    Does
    direct
    human
    contact
    include
    activities
    such
    as
    canoeing,
    kayaking,
    and
    fishing?
    27)
    On page
    6
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “These
    requirements
    are
    met
    through
    the
    use
    of reactors
    that
    are
    substantially
    larger
    than
    those
    that would
    be
    required
    for
    conventional
    disinfection,
    and
    with
    substantially
    greater
    quantities
    of
    disinfectant
    than
    would
    otherwise
    be
    required.”
    Is it economically
    reasonable
    and
    technically
    feasible,
    in California,
    to remove
    pathogens
    so
    that water
    can
    be
    reused?
    How
    does this
    cost
    compare
    to that
    of “conventional
    disinfection”?
    28)
    On
    page
    7 of your
    pre-filed testimony
    you
    state, “Moreover,
    non-point
    source contributlons
    to the CAWS
    will
    be
    largely
    unaffected
    by
    TARP.
    Therefore,
    irrespective
    of
    the
    effluent
    disinfection
    constraints
    that
    are imposed
    on
    the District
    facilities,
    the potential
    for
    inputs of
    microbial
    pathogens
    from other
    sources
    will still
    remain.
    These
    inputs
    the
    system
    will
    limit
    the
    extent
    to which risk
    of
    disease
    transmission
    from
    microbial
    pathogens
    can
    be
    reduced
    in the CAWS.”
    To
    what non
    point
    sources
    do
    you refer?
    Do non-point
    source
    contributions
    have
    the
    same
    risks
    associated
    with
    bacteria
    as does
    non-disinfected
    effluent?
    29)
    On
    page
    7 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “A
    related
    point
    is that
    the
    development
    of
    disinfection
    processes
    for
    CSOs
    and
    non-point
    sources
    represents
    a
    difficult
    engineering
    challenge.”
    Does
    the
    Illinois EPA
    proposal
    require
    disinfection
    of
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    CSOs
    and
    non-point
    sources?
    Would
    the
    effluent
    disinfection proposal
    represent
    a
    “difficult
    engineering
    challenge”?
    30)
    On page
    9 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “Irrespective
    of
    any
    measures
    that
    are
    used
    to
    control
    microbial
    inputs
    to
    the CAWS
    from
    municipal
    wastewater
    treatment
    facilities,
    inputs
    from
    other
    sources
    (e.g.,
    CSOs
    and non-point
    sources)
    will remain.
    Moreover,
    it
    would
    be
    extremely
    difficult
    to
    implement
    control
    measures
    that
    would
    effectively
    mitigate
    against
    transport
    of
    microbial
    pathogens
    to
    the
    CAWS
    from
    these
    sources.”
    •ls
    this statement
    still accurate
    as TARP
    is
    completed
    and
    CSOs
    are
    removed?
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    Questions
    for
    Charles N. Hass
    1)
    On page
    5 of your pre-filed
    testimony,
    Opinion 1,
    states, “If chlorine
    (either
    as gaseous
    chlorine or hypochlorites)
    disinfection
    is used, there
    is a very high
    likelihood
    of producing
    organic disinfection
    byproductions,
    including
    those that are the
    subject
    of
    water
    quality
    guidelines and
    those
    that
    are regarded
    as
    likely carcinogens.”
    Do
    you
    think that
    the Board should
    require all facilities
    that currently
    use
    chlorination
    to
    go to
    use a different
    disinfection
    method?
    2)
    On page
    3 .of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “It has long
    been known
    that
    some pathogens,
    such
    as
    viruses are
    more resistant than
    indicator organisms
    such
    as coliform
    to
    chlorine
    disinfection in wastewater.”
    Is
    it your opinion that
    chlorinating
    of
    effluents should
    stop?
    V
    3)
    What was
    your role on behalf
    of MWRDGC in the
    Pollution
    ControlBoard
    rulemakings on
    the District’s disinfection
    requirements
    in
    the early 1980’s?
    4)
    Is the
    problem of chlorinated
    disinfection byproducts
    an
    issue
    when using
    UV radiation or
    ozone as
    the disinfectant?
    1
    5)
    Are chlorinated
    disinfection
    byproducts
    a
    problem
    for community
    water supplies?
    6)
    Do such byproducts
    exist
    at
    a
    level that pose
    risk to humans
    through
    dermal contact? If so,
    can
    you
    site specific research
    or data to support
    this?
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    Illinois EPA’s Pre-Filed
    Questions
    for David
    R. Zenz. P.E.
    Effluent
    Disinfection Studies
    1.
    Explain the difference
    between a level
    3 cost
    estimate and a level
    4 cost
    estimate.
    2.
    . You testify
    on page 10 (paragraph
    3) that “Therefore,
    the total
    estimated
    schedule
    for
    implementation
    is approximately
    8 years to operation
    for the North
    Side
    and Calu met facilities
    and 10 years for the Stickney
    facilities.”
    Explain why 8
    years is.
    necessary to construct disinfection at
    the
    North
    Side and Calumet
    plants and
    why
    10
    years is necessary for the
    Stickney
    plant.
    3.
    What
    is
    the reason that the pilot study
    will take 2.5 years? This
    seems
    rather long, can the schedule be shortened?
    4.
    You testify that preliminary and final
    design will also
    take
    2.5 years?
    This
    seems very long even
    for
    a
    large, complex project
    like this one? Can
    this
    schedule
    be
    shortened?
    5.
    Do you believe these construction schedules represent the “earliest
    reasonable date”
    MWRDGC could achieve compliance with
    a
    disinfection
    requirement?
    6.
    Did you receive
    comments from U.S. EPA
    on these cost estimates?
    Are
    these
    comments included in the
    Record
    as Exhibit 12? Did you agree or
    disagree with
    the
    comments? Please explain
    which comments were
    included in the
    recommendations
    summarized in
    your testimony.
    7.
    On page 5,
    paragraph I you mention that disinfection
    alternatives such
    as
    UV “have lower
    environmental and health
    impacts.”
    What
    do you mean by “lower
    environmental and
    health impacts?”
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    8.
    You testify
    on
    page 6
    (paragraph
    2)
    that
    you “assumed
    that the
    effluent
    standards were
    those outlined
    in the UAA
    study
    ... 2740
    e. coli.” Was this
    value
    of
    2740 cfu
    E. coil per 100/mi
    in the
    UAA study
    evaluated
    as a potential
    water quality
    standard
    rather
    than
    as an effluent
    standard?
    9.
    Your
    testimony
    states
    on
    page 6,
    paragraph 3 that
    “It should also
    be noted
    that
    Attachment NN included
    an
    assessment of
    costs for disinfection
    with
    and without
    tertiary filtration.
    The CTE final
    report included
    costs for this
    additional
    process
    because
    the task force recommended
    that laboratory
    and/or
    pilot
    plant
    test be conducted
    to
    determine
    if
    tertiary
    filtration
    is required in
    order to
    have
    a properly and efficiently
    operated
    disinfection system.”
    a.
    Do
    the costs provided
    on page
    8 and 9 of your
    testimony
    include
    tertiary filtration?
    b.
    How will the
    decisiàn be
    made of whether
    filtration is
    needed?
    c.
    If it
    is decided based
    on the pilot
    plant tests that
    filtration
    is
    not
    needed,
    what are the potential
    savings
    in
    cost
    and
    energy usage?
    11.
    Have you
    calculated these
    costson
    a unit basis such
    as cost
    per million
    gallons
    treated or cost per
    household? Please
    provide
    these calculations
    for
    the
    Record.
    Dissolved
    Oxygen
    Enhancement
    Studies
    1.
    Explain
    why it will
    take so long for
    your
    final
    cost estimates
    to
    be
    available?
    Why
    the
    need
    for a new study?
    2.
    On
    page
    4,
    paragraph
    2 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you discuss
    use of
    the
    Marquette
    Model
    to determine the amount
    of flow
    augmentation
    and
    supplemental
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    aeration needed to achieve
    dissolved
    oxygen compliance
    targets.
    Are you satisfied
    that
    the Marquette
    or
    revised Marquette
    model
    is
    accurate enough
    to
    support the
    derivation
    of accurate and reliable
    cost
    estimates?
    Has the District
    considered
    using
    other
    more
    reliable models? If so,
    what other
    models
    and
    when will other modeling be
    completed?
    3.
    Why did you to change the
    compliance
    target from 90 to
    100 percent?
    4.
    How do the improvements
    related to the
    completion of TARP factor
    in
    to
    your
    analysis
    of the amount of aeration
    and
    flow augmentation needed to achieve
    100
    percent compliance
    with the proposed
    standard?
    5.
    On
    page 9, paragraph 2 of
    your
    pre-filed testimony you mention
    that
    supplemental aeration would not be effective in the Chicago River. Do you mean
    the
    main
    stem of
    the Chicago River? Is dissolved
    oxygen
    a
    problem
    in the main stem
    of
    the
    Chicago
    River?
    6.
    Have you calculated these costs on a
    unit
    basis such as cost per
    million
    gallons treated or
    cost per household?
    7.
    Why will it
    take over
    8 year
    to construct Dissolved Oxygen
    ehancement
    in
    the CAWS? Would
    there be changes
    that could be made that
    could speed up this
    process? What options
    did
    you
    consider that
    could have
    shortened the time
    frame?
    8.
    Do
    you believe these
    construction schedules represent the
    “earliest
    reasonable
    date” MWRDGC could
    achieve
    compliance with
    a disinfection
    requirement?
    9.
    Do you
    know how long the
    existing SEPA stations took to
    construct?
    10.
    On page
    10,
    you
    testify that “It
    cannot be stated
    that it is technically
    feasible to meet the
    proposed standards
    under all waterway conditions.”
    What
    conditions
    are
    you referring
    to?
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    Questions
    for
    Stephan
    F.
    McGowan
    1.
    What
    do you base
    your
    assumption
    on page
    4 of
    your
    Disinfection
    testimony
    that
    “These
    power plants
    are generally
    coal-based
    electric generating
    facilities?”
    Wouldn’t
    your
    conclusions
    change
    drastically
    if
    the
    electricity
    powering
    these
    treatment technologies
    was
    generated
    at a
    nuclear facility?
    2.
    On
    page 4 of your
    Disinfection
    testimony you state
    that
    you
    use
    emission
    factors
    from the
    Emissions
    &
    Generation
    Resource Integrated
    Database
    (“eGrid”)
    specifically for Illinois.
    What
    do
    you mean
    by “specifically
    for Illinois.”
    Where
    can•
    copies of the
    eGrid database
    be obtained
    or found?
    3.
    Can you explain
    in more
    detail what
    you
    mean when
    you state
    on
    page
    5
    of your Disinfection
    testimony
    “environmental
    impacts
    were identified
    through
    professional experience,
    literature
    reviews, input
    from manufacturers
    and
    brainstorming
    sessions”?
    Explain how the
    impacts were
    ranked and prioritized?
    4.
    What are
    the
    assumptions
    made for the
    negative
    environmental
    impacts?
    5.
    What are the
    baseline
    conditions
    you
    refer to on
    page 7 of your
    pre-filed
    Disinfection
    testimony?
    6.
    For your UV
    impact
    estimates
    of transportation
    impacts,
    is it
    possible
    that
    delivery
    and waste transportation
    for
    this technology
    could be
    absorbed
    by existing
    •deliveries and waste
    shipments with
    no
    increase
    in transportation
    emissions?
    7.
    Have you calculated
    the air emissions
    impacts
    on a per
    customer
    or
    per
    gallon of water treated
    basis? If
    so,
    what
    is
    the
    result
    of these
    calculations?
    How
    does
    this compare
    to the emissions from
    a single
    vehicle? How
    does it
    compare
    to your
    • calculation
    of
    emissions
    of
    carbon dioxide
    absorbed
    by a single tree?
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    8.
    You
    testify
    regarding
    the
    amount
    of
    land
    needed
    for the
    various treatment
    technologies
    and
    the amount
    of impervious
    surface that would
    be created. You
    also
    testify
    that
    stormwater
    runoff will
    increase.
    Could
    these
    impacts be
    eliminated
    or
    significantly
    minimized
    by
    using green
    infrastructure technologies
    for pavement,
    water
    and
    roof
    gardens,
    etc.? Isn’t the
    City of Chicago
    encouraging these
    types
    of projects
    to
    meet
    its
    environmental goals?
    9.
    With regard
    to Attachment
    2, page 4-29,
    Table 4-23, what
    percentage
    of
    existing
    precipitation
    is
    currently
    run-off?
    Should
    the
    current run-off
    be subtracted
    from
    the
    total
    amount
    of water generated
    by
    the
    impervious
    area when
    estimating
    the
    impaàt
    from
    constructing disinfection
    facilities?
    10.
    Did
    you consider the environmental
    benefit
    of reduced
    transportation
    emissions
    from providing safe
    recreational
    opportunities
    closer
    to the population
    center?
    11.
    In what
    areas do you consider
    yourself an
    expert? Are you
    an
    expert
    in
    calculating air
    emission factors?
    12.
    In
    your disinfection
    testimony, please
    refer to the calculations
    in
    Attachment
    2,
    page 4-20
    and pages
    4-2?—
    4-23, Table 4-11
    and Table 4-13—4-15.
    Do
    the
    mercury
    calculations
    reflect pending and
    future
    reductions
    in emissions
    from
    coal
    generating power
    stations
    in
    Illinois or are they
    based on
    current
    conditions?
    Please
    answer the
    same
    question with regard
    to the calculations
    in your Dissolved
    Oxygen
    testimony.
    13.
    On page
    2-4 of your
    Environmental
    Assessment
    Report
    it
    states
    “The
    UV
    system
    proposed
    in the January
    2008 estimates
    approximately
    twice
    the power
    consumption (11.9
    kW/mgd)
    at peak
    hour
    design
    flow
    compared
    to
    the
    system in the
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    August
    2005
    report
    (6.1
    kW/mgd).
    With
    all
    other
    key
    design
    parameters
    (flow
    and
    UVT)
    equal,
    the
    higher
    power
    requirement
    in the
    January
    2008
    report
    is
    due
    to
    the
    use
    of
    the
    lower
    E.
    coil
    value
    (400
    cfu/1
    OOmL),
    which
    appears
    to
    be
    reasonable.”
    Please
    explain
    the
    basis
    for
    this
    conclusion.
    14.
    Why
    do
    you
    use
    a
    400
    E.
    Coil
    cfu/100
    ml
    value?
    Isn’t
    the
    effluent
    standard
    proposed
    by
    the
    Agency
    400
    fecal
    äoliform
    cfu/100 ml?
    Does
    this
    error
    affect
    any
    of
    the
    figures
    in your
    report?
    15.
    If
    a
    water
    quality
    standard
    were
    available
    that
    appropriately
    represented
    the
    highest
    level
    of indicator bacteria
    in the
    CAWS
    that
    would protect
    existing
    recreational
    uses,
    could
    MWRDGC’s
    disinfection
    process
    be
    adjusted
    to
    reduce
    power
    consumption?
    Are
    there
    any
    other
    design
    changes
    of the
    proposed
    UV
    disinfection
    system
    that
    could reduce
    power consumption?
    16.
    On
    page
    5-5
    of
    your
    environmental
    assessment
    report
    you
    refer
    to
    Chicago’s
    Environmental
    Action
    Agenda.
    Does
    that
    Agenda
    recommend
    energy
    efficiency
    measures and
    green
    infrastructure?
    17.
    When
    did
    the
    District
    ask
    CTE
    to develop
    an
    integrated
    ?pproach
    for
    meeting
    dissolved
    oxygen standards?
    Why
    will, the
    study
    take
    until
    2009
    to
    complete?
    18.
    What
    is
    the
    time
    frame
    of
    the
    “historical
    data”
    you
    are
    referring
    to
    on
    page
    2
    of your
    Dissolved
    Oxygen pre-filed
    testimony?
    19.
    With
    regard
    to
    supplemental
    aeration,
    if there
    is
    a change
    in
    the
    design
    assumptions
    regarding
    the frequency
    and
    duration the
    aeration
    stations
    would
    be
    in
    operation
    or
    regarding
    how
    many
    stations
    would
    be
    needed,
    how
    would
    that
    change
    your
    energy
    consumption
    and
    air
    emissions
    figures?
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    20.
    Have
    any Dissolved
    Oxygen treatment
    technologies
    been
    considered
    that
    would
    not
    have
    a
    long-term
    energy
    demand?
    21.
    In
    Appendix
    B of your
    report
    in Table B-2
    you identify
    variety of
    economic
    information
    you
    gathered
    for
    preparing
    your report
    from
    units of
    local
    government
    such
    as
    media
    household
    income,
    bond
    ratings
    and property
    taxes.
    Does
    this
    information
    appear
    anywhere
    in
    your study?
    How
    was it used?
    22.
    What
    energy
    efficiency
    options
    were
    considered
    to
    reduce
    energy
    consumption
    from
    disinfection
    and
    Dissolved
    Oxygen
    enhancement?
    Were
    options
    for
    sustainable
    engineering
    concepts
    that
    could
    reduce
    energy
    consumption
    incorporated
    into the
    building
    design
    considered?
    Did
    you consider
    using
    a
    high-efficiency
    pump
    system?
    Did
    you
    consider
    a Variable
    Frequency
    Drive
    WED)
    mechanism
    added
    to the
    aeration
    blowers
    design
    to control/adjust
    output based
    on specific
    demand
    of work
    being
    performed?
    23.
    In
    Section
    4.5 of your
    report
    (page 4-17)
    you discuss
    the Labor
    Burden
    and
    indicate that
    the
    operators
    will have
    additional
    mental
    and
    physical
    challenges
    with
    the
    operation
    of
    the
    disinfection
    system
    and
    the
    additional
    mundane
    and
    tedious
    labor
    requirements
    associated
    with
    extensive
    bulb replacement
    or chemical
    deliveries.
    UV
    operations
    will
    require 16
    hours per
    day,
    80 hours
    per week
    at
    North
    Side and
    Calumet
    WRPs
    while it will
    require
    20
    hours
    per
    day
    to operate
    and maintain
    the
    chlorination!
    dechlorination
    system
    at
    all
    three
    plants
    Stickney,
    Calumet
    and
    North
    Side.
    a.
    Did
    you
    consider
    using
    a
    UV
    disinfection
    system
    design
    that
    includes
    automatic
    online
    cleaning
    to
    reduce 0
    & M costs
    associated
    with
    manual
    cleaning
    for
    large
    scale
    plants?
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    b.
    Do most
    wastewater
    treatment
    plants with UV
    systems
    clean
    and
    replace
    the
    lamps after
    the
    disinfection
    season
    is
    over?
    Was this option
    considered
    in
    your analysis?
    Why not?
    c.
    Did
    you consider
    using
    a UV Disinfection
    system
    designed
    with
    a
    Programmable Logic
    Control
    (PLC)
    system
    and the
    chemical disinfection
    system
    control
    system
    integrated with the
    Supervisory
    Control
    and Data Acquisitions
    (SCADA)
    system?
    Would this
    concept
    reduce
    the
    person
    hours
    required
    to
    operate
    and
    maintain
    the
    disinfection
    system?
    24.
    Is
    it
    your testimony
    that
    if MWRDGC
    is required
    to implement
    disinfection
    technologies
    that
    MWRDGC
    will not have future
    options
    to address future
    treatment
    and
    alternatives?
    What are these
    treatment
    options and alternatives
    you
    are referring
    to?
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    Questions
    for John Mastracchio
    Economic Assessment for
    Disinfection
    Facilities
    Testimony
    1.
    In what areas do
    you consider
    yourself
    an
    expert?
    2.
    Do you agree with the
    cost estimates
    for Disinfection by UV or
    chlorination/dechlorination
    as developed
    by CTE and
    Mr.
    Zenz? How would
    any
    mistakes made in developing these
    capital
    and O&M
    cost
    estimates affect your
    conclusions?
    3.
    You identify in your testimony
    that the
    “increases
    to
    the
    District’s
    property
    tax levy are limited to the lesser
    of: (1)
    5
    percent
    or (2) the change in the national
    consumer price index plus allowable
    increases for new property.”
    Which of these
    two
    factors has been the lesser
    or
    limiting
    factor over the last
    decade?
    4.
    You conclude on
    pages 4-5 “The District
    cannot
    generate
    sufficient
    revenues
    within the constraints
    of the Property Tax Extension Limitation
    Act,
    and the
    remaining funds needed would
    exceed
    the District’s
    Tax Cap and
    non-referendum
    bonding authority.” Could MWRDGC pay for the capital
    improvements necessary
    for
    disinfection through referendum bonds?
    -.
    5.
    What
    type.
    or
    level
    of
    phosphorus treatment
    is
    the estimate of
    $2.8 billion
    for
    nutrient removal based upon? Is the
    District
    facing any
    current regulatory
    requirements to implement nutrient
    treatment
    for either
    phosphorus or total
    nitrogen?
    6.
    On page 5 of your report, Table 3 lists projections
    of
    expenditures
    into the
    future ending in 2017. Why do the
    State Revolving Fund
    (SRF) project
    projections
    stop
    prior to
    2010 and 2011?
    7.
    You
    testify that
    the three
    impacted MWRDGC
    plants
    cannot
    implement
    disinfection
    technologies within
    their
    existing financial
    limitations without
    obtaining
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    additional
    taxing
    authority
    from
    the
    legislature
    or
    bonding authority
    from
    the voters.
    Did
    you evaluate
    whether
    disinfection
    could be implemented
    at two
    of
    the MWRDGC
    facilities
    within
    the existing
    framework? Did
    you evaluate
    installing
    disinfection
    at
    only
    one of the
    facilities?
    8.
    Are
    you able to
    express the
    costs of disinfection
    for MWRDGC
    in terms
    of
    affordability
    (i.e. as a percentage
    of median
    household
    income) to the sewer
    users
    served
    by
    MWRDGC?
    If not, is
    there another MWRDGC
    witness who
    would be better
    able to
    do this?
    Economic
    Assessment
    for
    Dissolved
    Oxygen Enhancement
    Facilities Testimony.
    1.
    Based
    on
    the
    costs
    provided
    by
    Mr. Zenz and others,
    do you have
    an
    opinion
    on how
    many
    supplemental
    aeration
    stations could
    be built and operated
    by the
    District
    without exceeding
    the
    financial
    limitations
    you describe?
    2.
    Do
    you know if the costs
    you
    relied
    on
    for
    your analysis
    took into
    account
    the
    improvements
    from TARP
    when establishing
    design treatment
    targets? Would
    your
    conclusions
    change if the cost
    figures had to be
    updated
    to
    address this or other
    issues?
    3.
    How is the fact
    that there is more uncertainty
    in
    the Dissolved
    Oxygen
    cost
    estimates
    than in the Chlorination
    estimates reflected
    in
    your
    results and
    conclusions?
    4.
    Why
    are the
    projects for which
    MWRDGC
    has
    committed to
    use its
    available
    funds
    more
    important
    than
    the ones being
    addressed in
    this proceeding?
    5.
    Are you
    able
    to express the
    costs
    of supplemental
    aeration in terms
    of
    affordability
    (percent
    of median household
    income) of the
    sewer users
    served
    by
    MWRDGC?
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    Questions
    for Adrienne Nemura
    1.
    In what areas do
    you
    consider
    yourself an
    expert?
    2.
    What would you propose to the
    Board as
    a
    wet weather exemption? Are
    you talking about aquatic life or recreation? Are there water quality standards for
    bacteria
    in the
    Illinois EPA’s proposal? If not,
    why do we need
    a wet weather
    exemption?
    If a
    wet weather exemption is
    for aquatic life,
    should the standards allow
    for the protection
    of
    aquatic life?
    3.
    Does MWRDGC
    want to
    submit a UAA with its Long
    Term Control
    Plan?
    4.
    Please
    provide specific citations to
    the
    State statutes arid regulations
    yäu
    refer to in your
    testimony.
    5.
    Where
    has U.S. EPA approved a dissolved oxygen standard
    less
    stringent
    than the National
    Criteria Document for wet weather?
    6.
    Please
    elaborate on your role for NACWA in the Beach Act Case.
    7.
    You
    testify that “It is my professional opinion
    that
    IEPA improperly
    established
    standards for
    aquatic
    life and
    recreational
    uses in the
    CAWS
    because
    the agency did
    not
    demonstrate
    that the uses
    are attainable
    when the
    system
    is
    impacted by
    wet
    weather discharges.” Where does
    it
    state that this is the
    appropriate
    burden of proof?
    8.
    Does
    this
    professional opinion take into account
    the
    anticipated
    improvements in
    wet weather water quality
    following the
    completion of TARP?
    9.
    You state
    on page
    2 that “IEPA failed
    to
    demonstrate that
    the
    proposed
    standards can be
    met...”
    Explain
    why you
    feel this is the
    burden of proof the Agency
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    needs
    to
    meet.
    How
    have
    you determined
    that the
    aquatic
    life
    uses proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA
    cannot
    be
    attained?
    10.
    Page 2,
    paragraph
    4 of
    your
    testimony
    states,
    “In
    particular,
    a
    provision
    is
    needed
    to
    inform
    the
    publió
    that
    the
    waterways
    should
    not
    be
    used
    for
    recreation
    wh.en
    impacted
    by wet
    weather
    discharges.”
    Explain
    how
    your
    recommendation
    is different
    than
    the
    current
    signs
    posted
    along
    the
    waterway?
    Does
    the District
    also
    already
    have
    a
    brochure
    and
    a message
    on
    their
    web
    page
    informing
    the
    public
    of the health
    hazards
    associated
    with
    recreating
    on
    the CAWS?
    Does
    the District
    need to
    do
    more
    to get
    the
    message
    to the
    public?
    Why
    do
    you
    believe
    this
    should
    be
    part
    of
    a water
    quality
    standard
    regulation?
    11.
    Are you
    recommending
    that
    the
    Agency
    propose
    a
    numeric
    bacteria
    criteria
    for
    the
    protection
    of incidental
    and
    non-contact
    recreation
    activities
    at
    this
    time?
    If so,
    what
    do
    you
    recommend
    that
    numeric
    criteria
    should
    be?
    12.
    Page
    3,
    paragraph
    1,
    states,
    “Section
    303(c)(2)(A)
    directs
    that
    new
    or
    revised
    standards
    ‘shall consist
    of
    the
    designated
    uses
    of
    the ..
    .“ and
    paragraph
    2,
    states,
    “... a
    numeric
    bacteria
    standard
    to protect...”
    Would
    a
    narrative
    standard
    meet
    this
    requirement?
    13.
    Page
    3, paragraph
    3,
    states,
    “IEPA
    has
    failed
    to
    define
    “dry weather”
    or
    what
    recreational
    activity
    can be
    attained
    at different
    locations
    or different
    times
    . .
    .“
    Is
    there
    a
    need
    to
    define
    “dry
    weather”?
    Is “dry
    weather”
    used
    in the
    proposed
    rulemaking?
    14.
    You
    testify
    on
    page
    4 that
    “If
    no regulatory
    target
    is
    provided
    to
    address
    wet weather
    conditions,
    the
    public
    will
    not know
    when
    the
    water
    is safe
    for recreation
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    and when
    it is
    not..
    .“ Why is this
    issue
    not addressed sufficiently
    or appropriately
    by
    current signs posted
    in
    the
    waterway?
    How would
    a
    numeric
    bacteria criteria
    address
    this?
    How would a
    wet weather
    exemption
    for the numeric
    bacteria criteria
    help
    the
    public
    know
    when
    it is unsafe to
    use the
    CAWS?
    15.
    Page
    4, paragraph
    2, states,
    “... there
    has
    been long-standing
    concern
    (as
    well as confusion)
    over
    the
    validity
    and implementation
    of US EPA’s
    1986 bacteria
    criteria
    (ASIWPCA,
    2005).”
    What are the
    concerns? What
    is the
    confusion?
    16.
    Page 6, paragraph
    2,
    states, “IEPA
    did
    not
    document that it
    considered
    the need to establish
    realistic attainable
    targets
    for wet
    weather
    conditions
    in
    its
    proposed
    rulemaking.”
    Where
    is documentation
    of
    this information
    required?
    17. You
    testify that “Indiana
    allows
    for temporary suspension
    of the
    recreational
    uses
    if
    CSO
    discharges
    are
    in accordance
    with an approved
    long-term
    control
    plan
    and
    a
    UAA.”
    Please provide
    the citations and information
    regarding
    whether any
    municipalities have
    received use
    designation
    changes under
    this process.
    Has U.S.
    EPA approved
    any
    standards changes
    under this provision?
    Does
    the
    MWRDGC
    have
    an
    approved
    Long Term Control
    Plan? Are the
    CSO
    discharges
    described
    in
    your
    testimony “in
    accordance with”
    that plan? How
    many overflows are
    expected to
    occur
    after
    TARP is completed
    under
    the District’s LTCP?
    Does Indiana
    ever allow
    for
    suspension
    of
    aquatic
    life
    uses
    as
    a result
    of CSO discharges?
    Would
    you limit
    how
    many days
    following a
    rain event
    a
    wet weather exemption
    would
    be allowed to
    last?
    18.
    You
    testify on page 7
    that
    “Massachusetts
    allows for
    a
    partial use
    designation
    for
    recreational
    or
    aquatic life
    uses
    with a UAA
    or a variance.”
    Please
    provide
    the citation?
    Explain what
    is meant
    when
    you
    quote the
    Massachusetts
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    provision
    as
    requiring
    that
    “criteria
    may
    depart
    from
    the
    criteria
    assigned
    to the
    Class
    only
    to the
    extent
    necessary
    to
    accommodate
    the
    technology
    based
    treatment
    limitations
    of the
    CSO
    or stormwater
    discharges.”
    19.
    Please
    provide
    the citation
    in support
    of your
    statement
    on
    page
    7
    that
    “Maine
    allows
    for
    a
    CSO
    subcategory
    where
    recreational
    and
    aquatic
    life
    uses
    may
    be
    temporarily suspended.”
    For how
    long
    may
    the use
    be
    suspended
    and
    for
    what
    reason?
    Explain
    why
    you believe
    this
    applies
    to
    aquatic
    life
    uses?
    Have
    any
    use
    changes
    been
    approved
    by
    the
    Citizen
    Board
    and U.S..
    EPA
    under
    this
    provision?
    .20.
    Page
    7,
    paragraph
    3,
    states,
    “Several
    states
    have
    modified
    their
    water
    quality
    standards
    to
    reflect
    the challenges
    associated
    with attaining
    uses
    during
    wet
    weather
    (Freedman,
    2007,
    p.
    ES-5).”
    Do any
    states
    allow
    for
    dissolved
    oxygen
    levels
    to
    go
    to zero
    during
    wet weather
    events?
    21.
    You
    testify
    on
    page 8
    that “Several
    UAA5
    have
    also been
    conducted
    that
    allow
    for suspension
    of recreational
    uses
    due
    to wet
    weather
    discharges.”
    How
    many
    UAAs
    like
    this
    are
    you aware
    of
    and how
    many
    have
    resulted
    in
    standards
    changes
    approved
    by
    U.S.
    EPA.
    How
    long
    are
    the recreational
    uses
    suspended
    for in these
    UAAs?
    Are
    you
    aware
    of
    any UAAs
    that
    have
    allowed
    for
    the
    suspension
    of aquatic
    life
    uses
    due
    to
    wet
    weather
    discharges?
    22.
    Do
    you believe
    the recreational uses proposed
    by
    the
    Agency
    are being
    attained?
    Are
    attainable?
    Do
    you
    agree
    that
    even
    if
    a higher
    use is unattainable,
    States
    are
    required
    by the
    Clean
    Water
    Act
    to
    designate
    existing
    uses
    as
    attainable
    uses?
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    23.
    Are you
    testifying
    to the contents of the
    Alp
    report attached to your
    testimony? If not, who
    is
    the
    best witness
    to ask about this
    report?
    24.
    You testify on
    page 2 of Attachment 2
    that
    the effect of
    CSO
    and
    pump
    station
    discharges can increase ambient
    bacteria levels
    for
    3
    to
    5 days. How long
    are
    you recommending that a wet weather
    recreational
    use
    exemption last after a storm
    event?
    Can you provide an example
    of a similar wet weather recreational exemption
    in
    another
    state?
    25.
    Explain why the
    storm events used in the model simulation are
    “representative.”
    26..
    Do yoU think a wet weather recreational exemption would belong
    in the
    use designation itself or in the water quality standard?
    27.
    You testify that ORSANCO allows for alternative criteria when
    a long
    term
    control
    plan
    and UAA is developed by
    the
    CSO community. Does this involve
    a
    change
    in uses? Does it apply outside
    bacteria standards
    and recreational uses?
    Has
    anyone
    ever used this
    provision?
    28.
    Does the wet
    weather proposal Indianapolis
    is
    attempting
    to use
    apply
    to
    aquatic life uses?
    29.
    You
    testify that there are examples in California of
    suspending
    recreational uses
    during high flows.
    Have
    any been completed and formally
    approved?.
    Explain
    what you mean by
    high flow
    suspension
    of recreational
    uses for Ballona
    Creek?
    Please identify
    where in the
    regulations recreation is
    “suspended”?
    30.
    In Attachment 3
    you cite to a
    letter
    from U.S. EPA
    as US EPA (2008).
    Please provide a
    copy of this
    letter.
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    31.
    Attachment
    4
    indicates
    that
    elimination
    of
    gravity
    CSO
    discharges
    may
    not
    result
    in attainment
    of
    the
    D.C.
    standard.
    If this
    is
    true,
    explain
    why
    wet weather
    discharges
    are
    the
    reason
    D.C.
    standards
    cannot
    be
    met.
    Does
    the
    District
    believe
    the
    proposed
    dissolved
    water
    quality
    standards
    will
    be
    met when
    TARP
    is completed?
    32.
    Page
    5,
    paragraph
    3, states,
    “These
    data
    show
    that the
    dissolved
    oxygen
    can
    get
    very
    low
    (zero
    to
    two
    milligrams
    per
    liter)
    at times
    and
    these
    impacts
    can
    last
    several
    days
    to
    a week
    at
    some
    locations.”
    Have
    there
    been
    fish
    kills
    associated
    with
    CSOs?
    Could
    there
    be
    fish
    kills
    associated
    with
    zero
    dissolved
    oxygen
    that
    last
    for
    several
    days?
    WoUld
    these
    fish
    kills
    be
    protective
    of
    aquatic
    life?
    If,
    as you
    suggest,
    we
    have
    wet
    weather
    exclusions
    for aquatic
    life,
    would
    there
    be
    fish
    kills?
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    Questions
    for Dr. Charles S.
    Meiching
    1.
    In
    what areas
    do you consider
    yourself
    an expert?
    2.
    Is there
    a
    difference in
    the amount
    of aeration
    stations needed to
    achieve
    compliance
    in CAWS and Brandon Pool
    Aquatic Life
    Use
    B waters and CAWS
    Aquatic
    Life Use A waters?
    3.
    Can
    you
    please explain
    the DUFLOW
    model?
    When was the
    DUFLOW
    approach accepted for publication?
    4.
    You testify that you were selected
    by the District “to
    develop
    an
    unsteady
    flow water-quality model of the CAWS (DUFLOW
    model) in 2000.” Explain what
    an
    unsteady flow water-quality model is? Is the
    model is used to show how long it
    takes
    for
    water to travel through this system? Does the
    model look at a
    typical
    day for the
    CAWS
    or is it more focused on the impact after a rain event?
    5.
    What research are you referring to
    on page 5 of your
    testimony
    with
    respect
    to CSO
    events?
    6.
    Can you explain
    the impacts
    of
    low
    velocities
    and
    very low slope
    limits
    on
    supplemental
    aeration?
    7.
    What is
    the basis for this statement on
    page 5 of your testimony
    that
    Illinois
    EPA “appears to
    assume that the duration of
    storm effects
    on
    water
    quality
    lasts
    only as long as
    the
    causative rainfall, or the period
    of elevated flow rates?”
    8.
    You
    testify on page
    7 that “the
    long
    storm
    effects
    can
    negatively
    impact
    the
    aquatic
    community, and these long storm effects cannot
    be reduced until the
    reservoirs of the
    Tunnel and Reservoir
    Plan
    are fully on line.”
    How will TARP
    reduce
    the long
    term storm
    effects? When will the reservoirs be
    fully on line? Is this
    before
    or
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    after the
    construction
    timeline
    for
    Dissolved
    Oxygen
    enhancement
    technologies
    from
    Mr. Zenz’s
    testimony?
    9.
    Have
    you
    modeled
    the
    improvements
    from
    TARP
    and
    their impacts
    on
    D.C.
    levels?
    How do
    the
    compliance
    results
    change
    from current
    conditions?
    10.
    You
    make the
    following
    statement
    on page
    7
    of
    your
    testimony
    “The
    long
    effects
    of storm
    flows
    on water
    quality
    also indicate
    that
    it may
    be appropriate
    to
    consider
    wet
    weather
    standards
    for the
    CAWS.”
    What
    are
    the
    impacts to
    the
    aquatic
    community
    associated
    with
    these long
    term
    storm
    effects?
    11.
    When you
    say
    wet
    weather
    standards
    what do
    you mean?
    How
    woUld
    a
    wet
    weather
    standard
    assist
    in
    controlling
    these
    long
    term
    storm
    effects?
    Would
    these
    standards
    be
    intended
    to
    protect
    recreational
    uses
    or aquatic
    life uses?
    How
    can
    aquatic
    life potential
    vary
    before
    and after
    a
    storm
    event?
    12.
    On pages
    7-8
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony,
    you state
    that
    variation
    in
    habitat
    and substrate,
    including
    shelter
    areas
    for
    fish,
    are
    generally
    absent
    from
    the
    CAWS.
    a.
    On what
    basis
    do you
    conclude
    that
    shelter areas
    for fish
    are
    absent
    from CAWS?
    b.
    Do
    you
    also
    conclude
    that
    shelter
    areas
    for macroinvertebrates
    are
    absent?
    On
    what
    basis?
    c.
    Are there
    not
    enough
    fish-shelter
    areas
    or
    macroinvertebrate
    shelter
    areas in the
    CAWS
    to
    support
    the aquatic-life
    use proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA?
    What
    biological
    information
    provides
    the basis
    for
    your answer?
    d.
    Does
    every
    location
    in
    the
    CAWS
    have the
    same habitat
    and
    substrate
    characteristics?
    Why
    do you
    conclude
    this?
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    13.
    Explain why
    you think
    contaminated
    sediment prevents
    the CAWS
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use A from
    being attainable?
    Explain
    why
    you
    think
    contaminated
    sediment
    prevents
    the Aquatic Life
    Use B from
    being attainable?
    Why
    don’t you think the
    limitations
    you discuss in
    your testimony
    are reflected
    in the
    proposed
    aquatic life
    uses
    that
    do not
    designate
    these waters
    for
    attainment
    of clean
    water act aquatic
    life
    use
    goals?
    14.
    On
    page 9 of your testimony,
    you
    compare values
    of the
    Macroinvertebrate
    Biotic Index
    (“MBI”)
    between
    macroinvertebrate
    samples
    collected
    with
    a hand-oerated
    grabbing
    apparatus
    from bottom sediments
    to those
    obtained
    passively
    from artifical
    substrates that
    are placed in
    the water, left to
    be colonized,
    and
    then
    removed
    several weeks later.
    You
    conclude that
    the difference
    between
    the
    MBI
    values
    shows that “CAWS
    substrate prevents
    any further
    improvements
    in water
    quality
    from translating
    to a better macroinvertebrate
    community
    and will not
    likely result
    in
    improvements
    in aquatic life
    use.”
    a.
    Is it your testimony
    that this condition
    as you describe
    it
    is
    irreversible?
    If so,
    what
    do you base that
    on?
    b.
    How
    would
    you
    define
    the aquatic life
    use potential
    of the
    CAWS
    Aquatic Life
    Use A
    waters? The
    CAWS and Brandon
    Pool
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    B
    waters?
    c.
    Do
    you think the Agency
    proposal is expecting
    these
    waters to
    support
    a balanced,
    healthy benthic
    community? Why?
    d.
    Are comparisons of
    MBI values
    between
    two
    macroinvertebrate
    samples
    valid if one
    sample was
    collected actively with
    a
    hand-operated
    grabbing
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    apparatus from
    bottom
    sediments
    and
    the
    other
    sample
    was obtained
    passively from
    artifical
    substrates?
    e.
    Does
    an MBI value
    determined
    from a macroinvertebrate
    sample
    collected
    from
    bottom
    sediments
    indicate the “water
    quality” conditions
    in the
    water
    column? Isn’t
    MBI designed
    to show whether
    organic
    pollution
    of the wateç
    present
    is
    and to what
    degree is it
    impacting the
    macroinvertebrates
    in the stream?
    f.
    Is
    a macroinvertebrate
    sample
    from fine, bottom
    sediments
    sufficient
    to reliably
    determine the
    biological integrity
    of
    a
    stream?
    g.
    How
    do
    you know that if water
    conditions
    were
    to
    improve
    in
    CAWS,
    the overall
    biological
    condition of the stream,
    as reflected
    by the
    macroinvertebrate
    community,
    would not
    also improve?
    h.
    What are the water-column
    physicochemcial
    requirements
    of the
    macroinvertebrate
    taxa (and their
    various life stages)
    that
    potentially
    can live
    in
    CAWS?
    Are the
    potential water-column
    physicochemcial
    conditions
    in
    CAWS insufficient
    to
    support
    the aquatic life
    uses proposed
    by
    Illinois
    EPA?
    What
    biological information
    supports
    this conclusion?
    j.
    If
    one
    finds relatively tolerant
    organisms living
    in the fine
    bottom
    sediments
    of a
    stream,
    does this finding necessarily
    mean that
    the physical
    habitat
    of
    the
    stream cannot support
    a
    biological potential
    consistent
    with the
    Clean Water
    Act
    aquatic-life goal?
    k.
    Weren’t
    the macroinvertebrates
    obtained
    from the artificial
    substrates (Hester
    Dendy
    sampling)
    already present
    elsewhere
    in the stream
    before
    the
    sampling?
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    15.
    Explain
    why you testify
    on
    page 10
    that
    the Agency’s
    designated aquatic
    life
    uses
    do
    not take into
    account the flow
    velocity in
    the CAWS.
    a.
    Are water velocities
    too
    low
    in the CAWS
    to
    support the
    aquatic
    life
    uses
    proposed
    by
    Illinois EPA?
    b.
    On what
    biological
    information
    do
    you base this conclusion?
    What
    are
    the water-velocity
    requirements
    of Illinois fish
    species
    and
    macroinvertebrate
    taxa
    that
    potentially
    can live in the CAWS?
    c.
    Are
    all
    streams that have
    average water
    velocity less than
    0.4 ft/sec
    incapable
    of attaining the
    Clean Water
    Act aquatic life goal?
    If not, then at
    what water
    velocity threshold
    is a stream prevented
    from attaining
    the CWA aquatic-life
    goal?
    16.
    Explain your testimony
    on page 10
    that the
    CAWS
    falls at the lower
    extreme
    of
    the channel
    quality related factors
    of sinuosity,
    riffle/pool development
    and
    low
    gradient.
    How do yu define
    lower extreme? How
    is
    this inconsistent
    with the
    Agency’s
    recommendation
    that the CAWS be
    designated
    for two different aquatic
    life
    uses that fall below
    the Clean
    Water Act goals?
    Do
    you
    agree with the
    Agency that
    these
    waters
    do
    not meet the
    Qiean
    Water Act
    aquatic life
    use goals?
    17.
    You
    refer throughout your
    testimony
    and Exhibits
    to ‘Warmwater
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use A” and
    ‘Warmwater
    Aquatic
    Life Use B.” These
    are not the
    terms given
    in the
    Agency’s
    rulemaking
    proposal
    are they? Why have
    you
    renamed
    the
    uses
    proposed by
    the Agency
    in
    your testimony?
    18.
    In
    Exhibit
    5
    included at the end
    of your testimony
    you provide
    a table
    titled
    “Habitat
    Characteristics of Modified
    Warmwater Streams
    (Warmwater
    Aquatic
    Life Use
    A) and
    Warmwater
    Streams (General Use
    Waters) in Ohio.”
    When
    you use the term
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    “Warmwater
    Aquatic Life
    Use A”
    do
    you mean
    the
    Chicago Area Waterway
    System
    Aquatic
    Life Use
    A waters as defined
    in the Agency’s
    rulemaking
    proposal?
    a.
    What
    causes you to
    conclude that
    the
    Agency’s
    CAWS Aquatic
    Life
    Use A designated
    use is equivalent
    to
    Ohio’s
    Modified Warmwater
    Aquatic Life
    Use?
    b.
    Why
    do you testify
    that Illinois’ General
    Use designation
    is
    equivalent
    to
    Ohio’s
    Warmwater Streams
    use?
    c.
    Why doesn’t
    your table include
    the Agency’s
    proposed Chicago
    Area Waterway
    System
    and
    Brandon
    Pool Aquatic
    Life Use
    B or Dresden Island
    Pool
    Use? Where
    would these fit
    in your Table?
    Where would
    a
    Use lower
    than
    CAWS
    and
    Brandon
    Pool Use B (Use C,
    for example)
    fit in your table
    and in Ohio’s
    methodology?
    d.
    What do you base your
    testimony
    on that the Ohio Limited
    Resource
    Water
    use is
    equivalent
    to the Agency’s CAWS
    and Brandon
    Pool
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    B designated
    use?
    19.
    On what data
    or information
    do you
    base
    your
    testimony
    on page 11
    that
    the
    physical
    habitat of Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    and
    that
    of
    CAWS
    Aquatic
    Life Use
    B
    waters are “... not
    substantially
    different”? Where
    is your
    cut-off
    line
    between a
    difference and a
    “substantial”
    difference?
    a.
    Is
    it
    your testimony that
    there
    is insufficient
    physical
    habitat
    in
    Calumet-Sag Channel
    to support the
    aquatic-Life use
    proposed
    by Illinois EPA for
    this
    waterbody?
    On what biological
    information do you
    base this
    conclusion?
    b.
    What are the physical-habitat
    requirements
    of
    Illinois fish
    species
    and
    macroinvetebrate
    taxa that
    potentially can live
    in CAWS? Did
    you use
    QHEI or
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    fish-IBI
    information
    from
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    and
    from
    waters
    proposed
    for CAWS
    and Brandon
    Pool Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    B?
    c.
    Aren’t the
    typical IBI
    score
    of
    the
    majority
    of CAWS and
    Brandon
    Pool
    Aquatic Life
    Use B waters
    is less than
    20? Are
    you
    aware
    that Rankin
    (1989)
    states
    that
    fish-lBl scores
    below
    20 “...are rarely caused
    by
    habitat alone”?
    20.
    On page 11, in reference
    to physical
    habitat
    in the
    CAWS,
    you
    state six
    features of stream
    physical
    habitat as being
    determined
    by QHEI
    documentation
    (Rankin
    1989)
    to
    be “primary
    features”
    of a modified warmwater
    stream.
    Can
    you
    please
    identify
    where these
    six factor
    are
    documented
    as “primary”
    factors in
    Rankin.
    (1989)? Is it correct
    that only three
    of the six features
    that
    you
    stated
    as “primary”
    features
    are not primary features
    as defined
    in Rankin (1989)?
    21.
    You state
    on
    page
    11
    that
    “The U.S. Environmental
    Protection
    Agency
    has••
    established
    a
    DO criterion
    of 3.0 mg/L for full
    attainment of warmwater
    life uses.”
    Does
    the
    USEPA
    (1986) national
    criteria document
    for
    dissolved
    oxygen (Attachment
    X)
    also
    recommend a daily
    minimum of 3.5
    mg/I rather than
    3.0 mg/I for some
    situations?
    22.
    On
    page 12 of your testimony
    you mention
    differing
    recommendations
    for
    use of a
    3.0 daily
    minimum Dissolved
    Oxygen standard.
    Can
    you explain the
    difference
    between a
    daily minimum and
    a standard that can
    not
    be violated
    at any time?
    23.
    On page
    11 you
    state that
    Illinois EPA’s basis
    for the DO
    standards
    proposed
    to
    support early
    life
    stages
    in CAWS A waters
    have “.
    . .no evidence
    that
    the
    habitat and
    physical characteristics
    of the CAWS
    could
    support
    such
    a use...”
    a.
    What evidence
    do you have
    that early
    life
    stages
    do
    not occur
    in
    the
    CAWS
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use A waters?
    On
    what basis
    do
    you conclude
    that “the
    habitat
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    and
    physical characteristics”
    of CAWS
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use A
    waters
    cannot
    support
    early
    life
    stages
    of aquatic
    life?
    b.
    Do you believe
    that there
    is no
    evidence
    in
    the
    Record that
    early
    life
    stages of any
    fish occur in CAWS
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    A waters? What
    about the
    MWRDGC fish
    data from
    2001-2005
    (Exhibit
    48)?
    c.
    What are the
    physical-habitat
    requirements
    of
    the early
    life
    stages
    of each
    of the fish
    species
    and
    macroinvertebrate
    taxa
    that potentially can
    live
    in
    CAWS
    Aquatic
    Life Use
    A waters?
    24.
    You state on
    page
    12 that
    “Consideration
    should then
    be given to
    whether
    the CAWS
    offers suitable
    habitat for
    early life stages
    of these
    fish
    species.” What
    is
    your conclusion
    on this
    issue?
    What
    do
    you
    base that conclusion
    on?
    25.
    Explain
    exactly
    why
    you think
    the
    conclusions
    of the UAA
    contractors
    regarding
    the
    aquatic life
    potential of the
    CAWS and Brandon
    Pool are
    inconsistent
    with
    the Agency’s
    designated
    uses
    for these
    waterways?
    26.
    Please define
    a “storm
    event”
    as it
    is used in your testimony.
    In
    the
    Exhibits
    attached at the
    end of your
    testimony,
    you
    present “storm
    events” that
    occur
    on
    I day
    and those that occur
    I week apart
    as single
    events. Explain
    how you
    accounted
    for these
    differences in determining
    the number
    of days it took the
    CAWS to
    “recover”
    from a “storm event.”
    27.
    Is it accurate to
    state that
    the DUFLOW model
    used a single
    value
    of
    170,000 fecal coliform
    cfu/100
    mL
    to simulate the concentration
    of
    fecal
    coliform
    discharged
    from CSOs
    on
    the
    CAWS? This
    was based on
    no
    measured
    data,
    correct?
    Did
    you
    use
    the same concentration
    for the
    pump
    station
    discharges
    as the
    individual
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    gravity
    CSO
    discharges?
    Weren’t
    the
    actual values
    measured
    much
    higher
    than
    the
    assumptions
    used
    in your
    model?
    28.
    Over
    all,
    didn’t
    your
    model
    show
    that
    the
    stream
    will
    not
    meet the
    proposed
    standard
    more
    often
    than the
    measured
    values
    did?
    29.
    On
    page 22
    of
    the
    Report
    attached
    to
    your
    testimony,
    you
    say
    large
    storms
    have
    more homogeneous
    CSO
    load
    than
    small storms.
    Didn’t
    you assume
    the
    same concentration
    for all
    storms?
    30.
    Is it
    your opinion
    that
    the
    conditions
    in
    the CAWS
    waters
    that
    prevent
    full
    attainment
    of
    Clean Water
    Act aquatic
    life
    use goals
    is the fact
    that
    it
    is a
    man-made
    channel
    rather than
    its history
    of pollution
    from CSOs
    and
    industrial
    sources?
    31.
    On page 31
    of your
    report
    you state
    that
    there is “No
    evidence
    the
    habitat
    and
    physical
    characteristics
    of
    the
    CAWS
    could
    support
    such
    a use
    or attain
    the
    proposed
    criterion?”
    Identify
    the evidence
    that
    demonstrates
    the
    CAWS
    can’t
    attain
    the
    proposed
    are use
    or meet
    the proposed
    dissolved
    oxygen
    water
    quality
    standards?
    Do
    you
    disagree
    that it’s
    the
    Agency’s
    obligation
    to designate
    waters
    for
    the
    CWS
    goals
    unless
    a UAA
    factor
    supports
    a
    downgrade?
    Do you
    agree
    that
    waters have
    to
    be
    designated
    for
    the
    highest attainable
    use?
    32.
    Have
    you reviewed
    the
    work
    the
    Agency
    and
    the Department
    of Natural
    Resources
    conducted
    in
    developing
    the Illinois
    General
    Use dissolved
    oxygen
    standard?
    What
    Dissolved
    Oxygen
    standard
    are you
    recommending?
    33
    What
    do you
    mean
    by the
    term “target
    fish
    species”
    on
    page
    32
    of
    your
    report
    and
    page 13
    of your
    testimony?
    What do
    you mean
    by
    “target
    DO
    criteria”
    and
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    “targets for
    the early
    life
    stages
    protection”?
    Does
    Illinois EPA
    mention
    that the
    proposed
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standards
    are
    based
    on a “target
    fish species”
    approach?
    a.
    In what
    contexts
    and for
    what
    purposes
    does the
    USEPA
    (1986)
    national
    criteria document
    for
    dissolved
    oxygen specifically
    mention
    largemouth
    bass,
    channel
    catfish, and
    smalimouth
    bass?
    b.
    Is it
    your testimony
    that adult
    largemouth
    bass
    are
    common
    through
    the CAWS?
    c.
    How
    was it
    determined
    that the
    CAWS
    is poor
    habitat
    for
    early
    life
    stages
    for target
    species
    nientioned
    on
    page
    13 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony?
    d.
    Would
    the
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standards
    proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA
    for
    CAWS
    waters
    protect
    for
    species
    that
    are more
    sensitive
    to low
    dissolved
    oxygen
    than
    are
    largemouth
    bass
    or
    early life
    stages of
    channel?
    34.
    On
    page
    36
    of
    Attachment
    1,
    in referring
    to
    all waters
    of
    the
    CAWS,
    you
    state, “The
    largemouth
    bass
    and
    smailmouth
    bass
    most
    likely spawn
    and spend
    their
    early
    life
    stages
    in
    Lake Michigan
    and
    then
    colonize
    the
    CAWS
    as
    adults.”
    What
    fish
    data
    did
    you
    interpret
    to reach
    this
    conclusion?
    What
    collection
    methods
    were
    used
    to
    document
    the
    presumed
    absence
    of
    early
    and subadult
    life stages
    of bass
    from
    all
    of
    the CAWS
    waters?
    a.
    What
    sizes of
    largemouth
    bass occur
    in
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel?
    Do
    subadult
    largemouth
    bass occur
    in Calumet-Sag
    Channel?
    b.
    On what
    do
    you
    base your
    conclusion
    that
    the largemouth
    bass
    in
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    “most likely”
    were hatched
    in
    Lake
    Michigan?
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    c.
    Can largemouth bass
    spawn successfully in habitat
    and water-
    chemistry
    conditions that have
    a
    suitability
    rating
    that
    differs from the ratings provided
    in
    Stuber
    et al. (1982)? How different does
    the habitat suitability rating
    of largemouth
    bass have to
    be from the
    rating
    provided in Stuber
    et al.
    (1982) to reliably conclude
    that
    the
    dissolved oxygen standards proposed
    by Illinois EPA
    are not appropriate for
    CAWS
    waters?
    35.
    On page 36 of Attachment 1,
    you conclude
    that the CAWS is “...near
    optimal
    habitat for
    largemouth
    bass,
    which
    is consistent with the high abundance of this
    fish
    in the CAWS.”
    *
    a.
    What numbers represent the relative threshold and the absolute
    threshold
    of what you refer to as “high” abundance of Iargemouth bass in CAWS?
    b.
    For example, are
    largemouth
    bass relatively highly abundant
    in
    North Share Channel? For example, are
    largemouth
    bass absolutely highly abundant
    in North
    Shore
    Channel? On what
    fish data and
    numeric thresholds do you base this
    conclusion?
    c.
    Are
    largemouth bass in the CAWS
    highly abundant compared
    to
    their numbers in
    other waters of the
    midwestern United
    States? Within the
    geographic
    range of
    largemouth bass in
    North America, do waters that
    are
    attaining their
    designated aquatic-life uses
    have
    absolutely
    high abundances
    of
    largemouth
    bass?
    36.
    Who
    calculated the
    “Habitat Suitability Index”
    metics for
    the
    CAWS
    referred
    to
    on
    page 13 of
    your
    testimony? What is the
    purpose of
    a
    Habitat Suitability
    Index? Is this index
    typically used
    to determine biological
    potential for the purpose
    of
    determining appropriate
    aquatic life
    uses? If so, where?
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    37.
    Is
    it appropriate
    to
    use
    this Habitat
    Suitability
    Index
    without
    the chemistry
    measures?
    39.
    What
    Habitat
    Suitability
    Index
    rating
    (from
    0
    to 1)
    represents
    the level
    at
    which
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    proposed
    aquatic
    life
    uses
    for the
    CAWS
    cannot
    be
    attained?
    How
    did
    you
    determine
    this threshold?
    40.
    On
    page
    13
    you
    mention
    that
    a
    Habitat
    Suitability
    Index
    is a model
    that
    identifies
    the physical
    and chemical
    conditions
    of water
    bodies
    suitable
    for
    a fish
    species.
    Explain
    how
    a
    Habitat
    Suitability
    Index
    is
    developed
    for a
    life
    stage
    of a
    species.
    a.
    How is
    it determined
    that
    a particular
    physical
    condition
    is
    more
    suitable,
    to
    the
    life stage
    of the
    species,
    than
    any
    other
    physical
    condition?
    b.
    For
    largemouth
    bass
    in the
    CAWS,
    how
    does one
    determine
    that
    the
    suitability
    of
    a particular
    physical-habitat
    feature
    is 0.8
    rather
    than 0.7
    or
    0.9?
    Was
    a representative
    sample
    of largemouth
    bass
    of each
    life
    stage
    in
    the
    CAWS
    observed
    for
    their
    preferences
    of various
    physical-habitat
    features?
    c.
    If largemouth
    bass
    in
    the
    CAWS
    were
    presented
    with
    a physical-
    habitat
    condition
    to
    which
    they have
    not
    been
    exposed,
    how would
    their
    suitability
    rating
    change
    with
    respect
    to this
    not-yet-encountered
    condition
    or feature?
    d.
    For
    a particular
    physical-habitat
    feature
    or
    condition,
    how does
    the
    suitability
    rating
    change
    (for
    a
    life
    stage
    of a species)
    when
    conditions
    other than
    physical
    habitat
    change?
    For
    example,
    if water-chemistry
    conditions
    were
    to change
    in
    the CAWS,
    is it
    possible
    that
    such
    changes
    could
    induce
    a
    change
    in how
    organisms
    relate
    to
    their
    physical
    habitat?
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    e.
    If so, how
    does
    the suitability
    rating for various
    physical-habitat
    features
    or conditions
    change
    accordingly?
    f.
    How
    does the
    information
    from
    a Habitat
    Suitability
    Index
    for
    largemouth
    bass prove
    that
    the
    aquatic-life
    uses proposed
    by lillinois
    EPA
    for
    the
    CAWS
    cannot
    be
    attained?
    41.
    What
    work did
    you
    perform on
    the
    Lower
    Des
    Plaines
    UAA?
    42.
    You conclude
    at
    the end
    of
    your testimony
    and report
    that
    the
    Board
    should
    disapprove
    the
    rules
    proposed
    by
    the
    Agency.
    Does
    that
    mean
    you
    believe
    there
    should
    be
    no
    upgrade
    of these
    waters
    from where
    they
    were
    designated
    30
    years
    ago?
    43.
    On
    the bottom
    of page
    8
    of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    mention
    examples,
    in Rankin
    (1989)
    page
    12,
    that
    a
    QHEI
    of 50 can
    be associated
    with
    either
    a
    low
    or
    high
    fish-IBI score.
    You
    then state,
    “whether
    the
    higher
    QHEI
    scores
    found
    in
    select
    portions of
    the
    CAWS
    are truly
    indicative
    of a
    higher potential
    ecological
    community
    for
    the
    CAWS
    requires
    further
    consideration.”
    a.
    Based
    on Rankin
    (1989),
    is
    it
    possible
    for a
    QHEI
    score
    of 45
    or
    less
    to be associated
    with a fish-lBl
    score
    that represents
    attainment
    of Ohio’s
    Clean
    Water
    Act aquatic-life
    goal
    use
    of
    ‘Warmwater
    Habitat”?
    b.
    Based
    on
    Figure
    19
    on page
    40 of
    Rankin
    (1989),
    does
    it
    appear
    that
    the majority
    of
    stream
    sites that
    have
    QHEI scores
    less
    than
    45
    are
    associated
    with
    a fish-lB I
    score
    of
    24
    or higher?
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    Questions
    for
    Sc
    udder D. Mackey
    1)
    Why
    do you believe
    that the
    sampling
    points
    used for the
    UAA
    were
    not
    a
    comprehensive
    assessment
    of
    physical habitat?
    2)
    Can you
    explain the
    differences
    that
    you see between
    South
    Fork
    of
    South
    Branch
    Chicago River
    and the
    South Branch
    of the Chicago
    River?
    3)
    You
    state that “the
    limited
    number
    and wide
    spacing
    between
    habitat sampling
    sites is
    a major
    deficiency”
    on
    page
    7 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony.
    Please
    explain the
    reason for this
    conclusion.
    4)
    How
    would
    you have selected
    and spaced the
    sampling
    sites?
    5)
    Referring
    to fish lBl
    scores, on
    page
    8 you mention
    that the
    coarse
    sampling interval
    and lack
    of bank-edge
    sampling
    limits
    the ability to
    draw any
    meaningful
    conclusions. Please
    explain.
    6)
    Do
    you believe that the
    Cal-Sag
    Channel
    should
    be designated
    as a
    Use
    B
    water rather than
    as
    a Use A water? If
    so, why?
    7)
    What
    methodology would
    suggest for
    the
    establishing
    aquatic
    life
    uses?
    8) What specific
    inquiries are
    you
    referring
    to on
    page 13 of
    your pre
    filed
    testimony?
    9) When
    was it determined that
    the Habitat
    Evaluation
    and
    Improvement
    Study
    referred to on page
    16 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    needed
    to
    be
    done?
    10) Is this study
    re-doing the
    CDM report?
    11)
    Is
    this
    study on track
    to be completed
    by
    2009?
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    12)
    Was
    the need
    to
    fill in
    the
    gaps,
    mentioned
    on
    page
    16
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony,
    ever
    discussed
    in the
    UAA
    stakeholders
    meetings
    when
    Illinois
    EPA
    was
    accepting
    comments
    on the
    draft
    CDM
    report?
    13)
    On
    page
    3 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you mention
    that
    you
    will
    provide
    “...an
    alternative
    strategy
    that integrates
    all
    of
    the
    fundamental
    habitat
    characteristics
    necessary
    to maximize
    the productive
    and
    ecological
    capacity...”
    of
    the
    CAWS.
    You
    proceed
    to say
    on page
    4
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    that
    “biological
    characteristics
    are
    also
    an important
    element
    of aquatic
    habitat,
    but
    will not
    be
    discussed
    in
    detail
    in
    this
    testimony
    and
    are
    not
    included
    in Figure
    1.”
    By not
    including
    biological
    characteristics,
    how
    are
    you
    integrating
    “all”
    characteristics?
    Do
    you believe
    that
    biological
    interactions
    are not
    a
    fundamental
    part of
    how
    an
    organism
    relates
    to its
    environment?
    14)
    What
    do
    you
    mean
    by “...maximize
    the
    productive
    and
    ecological
    capacity”?
    How is
    maximizing
    productive
    and
    ecological
    capacity
    related
    to
    the
    need
    to
    determine
    the appropriate
    aquatic-life
    uses
    for
    the
    CAWS?
    15)
    What
    is
    this
    strategy
    an alternative
    to?
    16)
    If all
    detrimental,
    reversible
    human
    impacts
    were
    mitigated
    in
    the
    CAWS,
    do
    you
    believe
    that
    there
    would
    be insufficient
    “fundamental
    habitat
    characteristics”
    in
    the
    CAWS
    to
    support
    the
    aquatic
    life uses
    proposed
    by
    Illinios
    EPA
    for
    these
    waters?
    What
    are
    the fundamental
    habitat-characteristic
    requirements
    of the
    fish
    and
    macroinvertebrates
    that
    potentially
    can live
    in the
    CAWS?
    17)
    On page
    3
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    mention
    that
    it is unlikely
    that
    the “current
    proposed
    standards
    will
    significantly
    improve
    fish community
    structure
    and
    diversity”
    in the
    CAWS.
    What
    “current
    proposed
    standards”
    are
    you referring
    to?
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    18)
    In your opinion,
    does the
    Clean Water
    Act
    require
    that
    a standard
    “significantly
    improve
    fish community
    structure
    and
    diversity”
    for
    the
    standard
    to
    be
    valid
    and appropriate?
    19)
    Would
    the
    physicochemical
    water standards
    proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA,
    if
    met,
    fail
    to support attainment
    of
    the
    aquatic-life goals
    proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA
    for
    CAWS?
    On what information
    do
    you
    base
    your answer?
    20)
    On page 4 of your
    pre-filed testimony
    you
    mention
    that
    fish
    will not
    propagate
    successfully if
    spawning habitat
    is not “connected”
    to suitable
    nursery
    and
    forage
    habitats.
    If all
    detrimental,
    reversible
    human
    impacts were
    mitigated in
    the
    CAWS,
    do you believe
    that there
    would
    be insufficient
    spawning
    habitat,
    nursery
    habitat,
    and foraging
    habitat in the
    CAWS to support
    the
    aquatic-life
    uses
    proposed
    by
    Illinois
    EPA for
    these waters?
    On what biological
    information
    do
    you
    base this
    conclusion?
    What are the
    spawning-habitat,
    nursery-habitat,
    and
    foraging
    habitat
    requirements
    of
    Illinois
    fish species
    and macroinvetebrate
    taxa—and
    of their
    various
    life
    stages—that
    potentially
    can live
    in CAWS?
    21)
    What
    do you mean
    by “connected”?
    22)
    If
    all
    detrimental,
    reversible
    human
    impacts
    were
    mitigated
    in
    the
    CAWS,
    do
    you believe
    that
    there would be insufficient
    connection
    in
    the
    CAWS
    to
    support
    the
    aquatic-life uses proposed
    by
    Illinois EPA
    for these
    waters?
    23)
    For each Illinois fish
    species and
    macroinvetebrate
    taxon—and
    for
    each
    of
    their
    various life
    stages—that
    potentially can
    live
    in CAWS,
    what degree
    of
    connection
    is
    needed?
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    24)
    On page 4
    of
    your
    pre-field
    testimony
    you mention
    that
    there
    are
    three
    major classes
    of
    variables
    that
    must
    be
    considered
    “when
    assessing
    aquatic
    habitat:”
    flow
    regime,
    substrate,
    and
    water
    chemistry
    and quantity.
    What
    do
    you mean
    by
    • .when
    assessing
    aquatic
    habitat”?
    25)
    Do
    you believe
    that,
    unless
    one
    has
    comprehensive
    information
    on
    each
    of the
    many
    variables
    in each
    of these
    broad
    classes,
    it is not
    possible
    to
    determine
    appropriate
    aquatic
    life uses
    and
    associated
    physicochemical
    standards
    for
    the
    CAWS?
    26)
    On
    page
    4
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “All
    of these
    variables
    must
    be
    spatially
    and temporally
    connected
    by
    physical
    and biological
    processes
    in
    ways
    that
    support diverse
    aquatic
    communities..
    .“
    What
    do you mean
    by
    diverse
    aquatic
    communities?
    Is
    it
    twe
    that Illinois
    EPA
    is proposing
    an
    aquatic life
    use
    designation
    that
    is
    below
    the
    Clean Water
    Act
    Goal?
    27)
    On
    page
    5
    of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “This
    assessment
    should
    include
    an
    integrated
    analysis
    of current
    physical
    habitat,
    flow,
    temperature,
    water
    quality,
    and
    existing
    aquatic
    communities.”
    Did
    the
    CAWS
    UAA
    (Attachment
    B)
    include
    water
    quality,
    sediment,
    temperature,
    habitat,
    biological
    and
    flow information?
    28)
    On
    page 5 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “Unfortunately
    the
    CAWS
    UAA Report
    ... contain
    data
    errors .
    .
    .“ Do
    you knoW
    if
    these
    errors have
    been
    explained
    or
    corrected?
    If
    not, why
    not?
    29)
    On page
    6
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “These
    new
    Aquatic
    Life
    tiers
    were based
    on a comparison
    of IBI
    percentile
    scores
    and
    QHEI scores
    at
    each
    sample
    location.”
    Are
    you
    aware that
    this was
    discussed
    at the
    hearings
    and
    Illinois
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    EPA indicated
    that current
    biological
    conditions
    were
    not the
    primary criteria
    used
    to
    determine
    the proposed
    aquatic life
    use?
    30)
    On page
    6
    of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “For example,
    IBI
    and
    QHEI
    metrics
    for Bubbly
    Creek . .
    .“ What water
    body
    are
    you referring
    to?
    31)
    As
    you mention
    on pages
    6 and 13 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony,
    in
    what
    way and for
    what purpose,
    do
    you believe,
    did Illinois
    EPA rely
    “almost
    exclusively”
    on
    fish-IBI scores?
    V
    32)
    In what way
    and for what
    purpose,
    do
    you believe,
    did Illinois
    EPA
    adopt
    the
    percentile approach
    to which
    you refer?
    33)
    On page
    6
    of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    mention that
    the
    spatial
    distribution of the CAWS
    sites
    selected for
    QHEI
    analysis
    in 2004
    “...was
    not
    based
    on
    an appropriate statistical
    sample
    design...” Does
    the
    QHEI
    data
    from these
    sites
    provide no useful information
    for
    determining
    the
    biological
    potential
    of the
    CAWS?
    34)
    What statistical
    design guarantees
    that
    additional
    physical-habitat
    information
    from the CAWS
    will provide
    more accurate
    characterization
    of the
    biological
    potential
    of CAWS than
    does the currently
    available
    data?
    35)
    How does a statistical
    design
    guarantee that
    the very
    best physical
    habitat
    conditions
    that truly occur in the
    CAWS are
    considered?
    36)
    On page 7
    of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state
    that the
    channel
    morphology and flow characteristics
    of South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River differ
    distinctly
    from
    those of South Fork of South Branch
    Chicago
    River. What
    information
    is the
    basis
    for
    this
    conclusion?
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    37)
    On
    page
    7 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    criticize
    the Illinois
    EPA
    proposal
    for not
    including
    a
    “comprehensive
    habitat
    assessment”
    that
    includes
    knowing
    the “relative
    percentage,
    location,
    pattern,
    and distribution
    of
    shoreline
    types
    and
    bank-
    edge
    habitat”
    for
    each
    CAWS
    segment
    and
    knowing
    the
    “pattern
    and
    juxtaposition
    of
    different
    types
    of aquatic
    habitats”
    for
    each
    CAWS
    segment.
    Is it
    your
    opinion
    that
    the
    Clean
    Water
    Act
    requires
    this
    type
    of
    “comprehensive
    habitat
    assessment”
    for
    defining
    and
    designating
    aquatic-life
    uses
    in freshwater
    streams
    throughout
    the
    United
    States?
    38)
    Is this
    type
    of “comprehensive
    habitat
    assessment”
    always
    necessary
    to
    determine
    the
    biological
    potential
    of
    a
    waterbody
    to
    a
    degree sufficient
    for
    establishing
    appropriate
    aquatic-life
    uses? If
    such a “comprehensive
    habitat
    assessment”
    were
    performed
    in the
    CAWS,
    would
    such an
    assessment
    be
    guaranteed
    to prove
    that
    the
    aquatic-life
    uses
    proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA for
    the
    CAWS
    are
    unattainable?
    39)
    On page
    8 of your
    pre-filed testimony
    you
    state,
    “However,
    Illinois
    EPA
    contends
    that these
    shallow
    water bank-edge
    habitats
    in the
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    should be
    considered
    to be
    spawning
    habitat, which
    is
    problematic
    given
    that
    no
    direct
    data
    are
    available
    to
    support
    that
    contention”.
    Could
    you
    please
    point
    out,
    in
    the
    hearing
    record,
    where
    Illinois
    EPA
    “contends”
    that “shallow
    water bank-edge
    habitats
    in
    the Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    should
    be
    considered
    to be
    spawning
    habitat”?
    40)
    Do
    you believe
    that
    “direct
    data”
    are
    always necessary
    to
    determine
    appropriate
    aquatic-life
    uses
    and
    associated
    physicochemical
    water standards?
    What
    do
    you mean
    by
    “direct
    data”?
    41)
    Do
    you
    believe
    that
    no
    fish
    spawning
    and
    propagation
    are
    occurring
    in
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel?
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    42)
    How
    does one
    determine
    scientifically,
    with
    “direct
    data,” that
    no fish
    spawning
    and
    propagation
    are
    occurring in
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel?
    43)
    On
    page 8 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    mention that
    the
    QHEI
    protocol
    is
    “...based on
    hydrogeomorphic
    metrics in
    a natural
    stream...”
    Then at the
    bottom
    of
    page
    8 you mention,
    “Flows
    in the
    CAWS
    are regulated,
    controlled
    by
    man-made
    structures,
    and
    are not natural.”
    Do
    you believe
    that
    QHEI
    cannot
    provide
    useful
    information
    in
    a stream
    impacted
    by human
    activities?
    Do
    you believe that
    relatively
    low
    QHEI scores in
    CAWS
    streams indicate
    that
    the
    QHEI
    is
    not
    functioning
    as
    intended?
    44)
    On
    page 8 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “The
    QHEI protocol
    is
    not
    designed
    for
    use in low gradient,
    non-wadeable
    streams
    and rivers...”.
    On
    page
    9
    you
    state,
    “The
    QHEI protocol was
    not
    designed to
    be applied to
    a
    flow-regulated
    artificial
    waterway
    system
    such as the
    CAWS.”
    Do
    you believe that the
    state
    of Ohio
    is
    incorrect in
    using the
    QHEI
    to help
    determine
    aquatic-life
    use attainability
    in
    human-
    impacted
    streams throughout
    Ohio?
    45)
    Do
    you believe that
    all chemical,
    physical,
    and biological
    properties
    of the
    CAWS are artificial?
    Do
    you believe
    that the
    aquatic life that
    inhabits
    the
    CAWS
    or
    can
    potentially inhabit
    the
    CAWS occurs
    there by
    artificial means
    and lives
    in
    entirely
    artificial
    conditions?
    46)
    Do you believe
    that
    the aquatic-life
    uses proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA for
    the
    CAWS represent
    natural
    conditions?
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    47)
    Do you believe
    that the
    QHEI
    is not
    useful
    at all for
    evaluating
    physical-
    habitat conditions
    to help
    determine
    the
    best
    attainable
    biological
    condition
    in the
    CAWS?
    48)
    Did
    part
    of the original
    development
    and application
    of the
    QHEI, as
    per
    Rankin (1989)
    include waters
    that
    were
    not natural?
    49)
    On page
    8 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “However,
    IEPA
    contends
    that
    these
    shallow
    water
    bank
    edge habitats
    in the
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    should
    be
    considered
    to be
    spawning
    habitat .
    .
    .no direct
    data
    are
    available
    to
    support
    that
    contention.”
    Is there
    any
    direct
    evidence
    that
    indicates
    it is not
    spawning
    habitat?
    What
    about indirect
    evidence?
    Can the
    presence
    of different
    size classes
    of fish
    indicate
    spawning?
    50)
    On page
    8 of your
    pre-filed testimony
    you state,
    “As
    a result,
    the
    QHEI
    scores ... may
    be of secondary
    importance
    to the
    attainment
    of a diverse,
    sustainable
    fish population.”
    Is
    IEPA
    proposing
    a
    designated
    use consistent
    with
    a diverse,
    sustainable
    fish population?
    51)
    On
    page 8 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “This
    assumption
    is
    not
    valid for low gradient,
    urbanized,
    artificial
    channels
    such as
    CAWS.”
    Does
    the
    QHEI
    include metrics
    for channel
    morphology
    (e.g.
    channelization),
    flood
    plain
    quality
    (e.g.
    urban or industrial),
    current
    velocity
    (slow,
    moderate,
    fast, eddies,
    etc.?)
    and
    gradient
    (e.g.
    low
    0 — 0.5
    ft/mile)?
    52)
    On page 9 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you mention
    that
    there
    was
    “considerable uncertainty”
    in
    the
    QHEI scores
    from locations
    in
    North
    Shore
    Channel
    and locations
    in Calumet-Sag
    Channel.
    Later
    in
    that
    paragraph
    you
    mention that
    if
    the
    103

    QHEI
    score of
    42 is correct
    for one of the
    North
    Shore Channel
    sites,
    then
    . ..“the
    boundaries of the
    proposed
    Aquatic
    Life Use
    categories
    for the
    CAWS
    are
    invalid
    and
    should
    be redefined.”
    Based
    on information
    in the hearing
    record,
    are the
    correct
    QHEI
    scores
    for North
    Shore
    Channel and
    for
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    depicted
    in Table
    3
    on
    page 5 of the
    Rankin 2004
    report
    (Attachment
    R)?
    53)
    What
    do
    you
    mean by “.
    . .the
    boundaries
    of the
    proposed
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    categories”?
    54)
    On
    page 9 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “Proper
    application
    of the
    Ohio Boatable IBl
    requires
    identification
    of
    high
    quality
    reference
    streams
    which
    serve
    as yardsticks
    to measure
    the biological
    health
    in
    similar,
    regional
    waterbodies.”
    Does
    every valid
    use of the Ohio
    fish-lBl
    for
    unwadable
    streams
    require
    one to
    identify
    “high
    quality reference
    streams”?
    55)
    On
    page 10 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “The
    decision
    to
    include
    Cal-Sag
    Channel as a
    higher Aquatic
    Life
    Use ‘A’
    water is not
    defensible,
    because
    the
    habitat indices for
    both monitoring
    stations
    were in
    the
    poor range,
    and the
    IBI
    percentile scores are
    below or
    a the bottom
    of the
    range
    established
    for IEPA’s
    Aquatic
    Life Use ‘A’ tier.” Based
    on the
    hearing record,
    do
    you believe that
    Table
    3 on
    page
    5
    of
    the
    Rankin 2004 report
    (Attachment
    R) indicates
    the
    correct
    QHEI scores
    for
    Calumet
    Sag Channel? Do
    you believe that
    these two
    QHEI scores
    are “in the
    poor
    range”?
    56)
    To your
    knowledge,
    what
    range
    of fish-IBI
    scores
    did
    Illinois EPA
    establish
    for
    the
    aquatic-life use proposed
    for
    CAWS A
    waters?
    57)
    On page 10
    of your
    pre-filed testimony
    you state,
    “In fact,
    the
    minimum
    lBl
    scores observed at
    the two
    monitoring stations
    in the
    Cal-Sag
    Channel
    are among
    the
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    lowest
    in
    the
    CAWS.” Do
    you
    believe
    that
    the
    minimum
    IBI
    scores
    from
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    provide
    useful
    information
    about
    the
    biological
    potential
    of
    this
    stream?
    Do
    you
    believe that
    the
    maximum
    fish-lBl
    scores
    from
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    provide
    useful
    information
    about
    biological
    potential
    of
    this
    stream?
    58)
    On
    page
    10
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “The
    Cal-Sag
    channel
    and
    the
    Chicago
    Sanitary
    and
    Ship
    Canal
    share
    similar
    physical
    characteristics
    limited
    shallow
    areas
    . .
    .“
    How
    was
    this
    determined?
    Did
    Rankin’s
    survey
    (Attachment
    R)
    indicate
    that
    the
    littoral
    habitat
    in
    the
    Cal-Sag channel
    “is
    not
    isolated,
    but
    occurs
    along
    much of the
    shoreline”?
    Did
    this
    report
    also
    indicate
    that
    the
    Chicago
    Sanitary
    and
    Ship
    Canal
    at
    Lockport
    “was
    wider
    and
    had
    some
    littoral
    habitat,
    however,
    this
    was
    very
    limited
    in
    scope and
    were
    extremely
    embedded
    with
    silty
    mucks
    and
    sand
    that
    were
    of
    poor
    quality”?
    59)
    On
    page
    10
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “The
    weathering
    of
    the
    bank
    walls
    provides
    a
    slight
    shallow
    shelf
    with
    limited
    habitat
    for
    fish.”
    This
    statement
    is
    based
    on what?
    How
    did
    you
    quantify
    the
    terms
    “slight”
    and
    “limited”?
    60)
    On
    page
    10
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    indicate
    that
    both
    the
    Cal-Sag
    Channel
    and
    Chicago
    Sanitary
    and
    Ship
    Canal
    have
    poor
    habitat
    based
    on
    Table
    2
    of
    Rankin’s
    report
    (Attachment
    R).
    Are
    you
    aware
    that
    the
    QHEI
    scores
    for
    the
    Cal-Sag
    Channel
    in
    Table
    2
    of
    Attachment
    R
    were
    incorrect
    and
    were
    corrected
    at
    the
    April
    hearing
    (i.e.
    Rt.
    83
    QHEI
    =
    54,
    Cicero
    Ave.
    QHEI 47.5)? Do
    you
    agree
    that
    these
    QHEI
    scores
    are
    in the
    fair
    range?
    Do
    you
    also
    agree
    that
    the
    QHEI
    scores
    in Table
    2
    (Attachment
    R)
    for
    the
    Chicago
    Sanitary
    and
    Ship
    Canal
    ranged
    from
    27
    to
    40.5
    indicating
    very
    poor
    to
    poor
    habitat
    conditions?
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    61)
    On page 10
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “The
    small amount
    of
    rubble
    from the crumbling
    walls
    does very
    little
    to improve
    the overall
    physical
    habitat
    for
    fish and invertebrates
    in the
    Cal-Sag
    Channel”
    You
    determined
    this how?
    Can
    you
    provide any data
    that was
    used
    to arrive
    at this
    conclusion?
    62)
    On
    page 11 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you interpret that
    there
    is
    no
    “one-
    to-one
    correspondence”
    of IBI
    scores to
    QHEI scores.
    Do
    you believe that
    statistical
    relationships
    established
    for
    QHEI
    scores
    and
    fish-IBI
    scores, like
    those in
    Figures
    1
    and 2 on
    pages 7 and 8 in
    Rankin
    (1989),
    are not useful
    for informing
    the
    determination
    of appropriate
    aquatic-life
    uses
    for a stream?
    63)
    Is
    it your opinion
    that
    quantitative
    graphs
    of the relationship
    between
    QHEI
    scores and fish-lBI scores,
    like
    Figure 19
    on page 40
    in Rankin
    (1989),
    are not
    useful
    for informing the
    determination
    of
    appropriate
    aquatic-life
    uses
    for a stream?
    64)
    Do you believe
    that the
    Clean Water
    Act
    requires that
    aquatic-life
    uses
    represent “desired
    aquatic communities”?
    65)
    Is it
    your opinion
    that the
    aquatic-life
    uses
    proposed by
    Illinois EPA
    for
    CAWS waters
    are not descriptions
    of biological
    potential?
    66)
    In the
    context of the
    Clean Water
    Act,
    do you believe
    that
    CAWS
    waters
    have the capability
    to potentially
    support balanced
    populations
    of aquatic
    organisms?
    67)
    In the context
    of the Clean Water
    Act,
    do
    you believe that
    loss
    of
    intolerant
    types of organisms
    is not a primary
    manifestation
    of the
    difference
    between
    balanced
    and
    imbalanced
    aquatic
    life?
    68)
    Of the states
    that
    have aquatic-life
    uses
    based on the
    concepts
    of the
    “tiered aquatic-life use”
    approach,
    do you know
    of any
    aquatic-life
    uses that
    are
    defined
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    by
    Nsts
    of
    particular
    species
    or
    taxa
    of
    aquatic
    organisms?
    Can
    you
    provide
    some
    explicit
    examples?
    69)
    Do
    you
    believe
    that
    a
    list
    of fish
    species
    or
    macroinvertebrate
    taxa
    validly
    and
    sufficiently
    represents
    the
    Clean
    Water
    Act
    concepts
    of
    aquatic-life
    use
    and
    biological integrity?
    70)
    On
    page
    11
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    indicate
    that
    because
    the
    IBI.
    scores
    were
    incorrectly
    calculated the
    proposed
    use
    designations
    need
    to be
    reconsidered.
    Are
    you
    aware
    that
    IBI
    scores
    were
    not used
    in proposing
    designated
    uses?
    71)
    On
    page
    11
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    indicate
    that
    the
    CAWS
    UAA
    Report
    and
    other
    materials
    do not
    provide
    justification
    for
    using
    the
    75
    percentile
    IBI.
    Are
    you
    aware
    that
    IEPA
    did not
    use
    this
    method
    in proposing
    the
    designated
    uses?
    72)
    On
    page
    12 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    “. .
    .
    Figure
    5-2
    invalidates
    the
    justification provided
    for Illinois
    EPA’s
    use
    of a
    QHEI
    score
    of
    40
    as a
    lower
    boundary
    for
    Aquatic
    Use
    “A”
    waters
    rather
    than
    a
    QHEI
    score
    of
    45...”
    Where
    in
    the
    record
    does
    Illinois
    EPA
    indicate
    using
    QHEI
    of
    40
    as
    the
    boundary?
    73)
    On
    page
    12
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “The
    lack
    of a
    desirable
    (or
    expected)
    fish
    and
    benthic
    invertebrate
    species
    list.
    .
    .“
    How
    many
    other
    states
    provide
    species
    list
    in
    their
    designated
    uses?
    Is
    the
    use
    of
    terms
    such
    as tolerant
    and
    intolerant
    common?
    74)
    On
    page
    13
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state
    “IEPA’s
    current
    methodology relies
    almost
    exclusively
    on
    the
    boatable
    IBI scores
    and
    does
    not
    adequately
    consider
    physical habitat,
    flow
    regime,
    or
    existing
    aquatic
    communities
    ..
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    Are
    you
    aware that
    the proposed
    aquatic life
    use
    designations
    were based
    primarily
    on
    habitat
    and not
    on
    IBI scores?
    75)
    Did
    Mr.
    Rankin
    in
    his report
    (Attachment
    R)
    indicate
    “. . .that
    because
    of
    effects
    of often
    multiple
    stressors
    the
    biological
    results
    may
    underestimate
    the
    potential
    attainment
    that
    could
    be
    expected
    in
    the
    absence
    of such
    stressors.
    In
    these
    cases
    the
    QHEI
    and metric
    scores
    at
    a site,
    scores
    of
    nearby
    reaches,
    and accrual
    of
    important
    limiting
    habitat
    factors
    and the
    loss of
    positive
    habitat
    factors
    are
    used as
    evidence
    in
    support
    of
    a given aquatic
    life
    use along
    with the
    knowledge
    of the
    feasibility
    of
    restoring
    the
    limiting
    factors.”?
    76)
    On
    page
    13
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “In
    the
    Statement
    of
    Reasons,
    the IEPA
    hypothesizes
    that
    increased
    DO
    and
    reductions
    in
    temperature
    will
    significantly
    improve fish
    diversity
    and
    community
    structure
    within
    the
    CAWS.”
    Would
    you
    please
    identify
    the
    specific
    part,
    in Illinois
    EPA’s
    Statement
    of Reasons,
    to
    which
    you
    refer?
    77)
    Is
    it
    your
    opinion
    that
    the Clean
    Water
    Act
    requires
    that, when
    determining
    appropriate
    aquatic-life
    uses
    and
    protective
    physicochemical
    water
    standards,
    all
    such
    uses
    and
    standards
    must first
    be
    proven
    to be attainable?
    78)
    On page
    14 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “Physical
    limitations
    such
    as lack of
    shallow
    bank
    edge
    habitats
    and riparian
    cover;
    lack of
    instream
    cover
    and
    diversity .
    .
    .“ Are you
    aware
    that these
    types
    of
    habitat
    attributes
    are taken
    into
    account
    in
    the QHEI?
    79)
    On
    page 14 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state, “Other
    investigators
    have
    recognized
    these
    potential
    limitations
    as well.”
    How
    has
    the Illinois
    EPA
    proposal
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    not
    taken
    the
    above
    into
    consideration?
    Do
    you
    understand
    that
    the
    proposed
    aquatic
    life
    “A”
    and
    “B”
    designated
    uses
    are
    below
    the
    Clean
    Water
    Act
    goal?
    80)
    On
    page
    14
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “The
    CAWS
    UAA
    Report
    also
    found
    that
    a
    lack
    of
    suitable
    habitat
    may
    be a
    factor
    that
    limits
    the
    attainment
    of
    diverse,
    sustainable
    fish
    communities”
    By
    “diverse, sustainable”
    are
    you
    implying
    Clean
    Water
    Act
    goals?
    Is
    the
    Agency
    proposing
    a
    CWA
    goal
    (i.e.
    General
    Use)
    for these
    waterways?
    81)
    On
    page
    15 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “For
    much
    of
    the
    CAWS,
    fish
    richness and
    diversity
    has
    improved
    markedly
    since
    effluent chlorination
    was
    terminated
    in
    1984
    ...“
    Is
    it true
    that
    MWRDGC
    did
    not
    de-chiorinate
    prior
    to
    this
    time?
    Would
    you
    consider
    the
    addition
    of
    nitrification
    to waste
    water
    treatment
    plants
    to
    also
    be a
    major
    factor?
    Has
    physical
    habitat
    conditions
    improved
    over
    this
    time?
    82)
    On
    page
    15
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “Moreover,
    the
    existence
    of
    active
    angler
    groups
    and
    bass
    fishing
    tournaments
    on
    the
    waterway
    also
    suggests
    that
    for
    many
    species, water
    quality
    (DO
    and
    temperature)
    for
    much
    of the
    CAWS
    is
    not
    a
    significant limiting
    factor.”
    What
    is
    the
    scientific
    basis
    of
    this
    statement?
    What
    species are you
    referring
    to?
    83)
    On page
    15
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “Certainly there
    continue
    to be
    DO
    and
    temperature
    limitations
    for
    other
    desirable,
    less-tolerant
    species
    ..
    .“
    Do
    you
    understand that
    the
    proposed
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standards
    are
    based
    on
    protecting
    early
    life
    stages
    as
    sensitive
    as
    channel
    catfish
    and
    other
    life
    stages
    as
    sensitive
    as
    largemouth bass
    (USEPA
    1986)?
    Are
    the
    current
    Secondary
    Contact
    and
    Indigenous
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    Aquatic
    Life
    Use
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standards
    protective
    of
    these life stages
    in
    all
    areas
    of CAWS?
    84)
    On Page
    15
    of your pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “In fact,
    fair to
    good
    Macroinvertebrate
    Biotic
    Index
    (MBI)
    scores
    from the
    “in-water
    column”
    Hester
    Dendy
    samplers
    and very
    poor
    MBI
    scores
    within
    CAWS
    sediments
    (Ponar
    grab
    samples)
    suggest that water
    quality
    improvements
    may already
    be
    sufficient
    to support
    a more
    robust
    and diverse
    macroinvertebrate
    community
    if suitable
    habitats
    were
    present
    in the
    CAWS
    (Wasik testimony).”
    Is it
    true
    that the
    Wasik
    testimony
    does not
    discuss
    nor
    provide
    any
    MB!
    data?
    What
    is
    the
    MB! based
    on? Was
    the
    MBI designed
    to
    be
    used
    with
    ponar grabs or
    with
    other types
    of
    sampling
    devices?
    What do
    you
    mean
    by
    robust
    and
    more
    diverse?
    Compared
    to
    what?
    85)
    On
    page
    15 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “...the
    substantial
    investments
    needed for
    infrastructure
    to
    provide
    incremental
    increases
    in DO
    and/or
    reductions in temperature
    will
    not yield
    a
    proportionate
    biological
    response
    with
    respect
    to attaining sustainable
    fish
    communities
    and/or
    other
    beneficial
    uses.”
    What
    is
    the
    “. . .substantial investment...”
    to which
    you
    refer?
    Have
    you performed
    an
    analysis
    that
    compares infrastructure
    investment
    to
    “biological
    response”?
    What
    level
    of
    “biological
    response” represents
    a
    “proportionate”
    return on
    investments
    for
    infrastructure?
    86)
    On
    page
    16 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state,
    “The lack
    of
    diverse
    bank-edge
    and
    instream
    habitats
    within
    the CAWS
    may
    be a much
    more
    significant
    limitation on the development
    of
    sustainable
    fish
    communities
    than
    current
    levels
    of
    DO
    or temperature.”
    Do you believe
    that current
    levels
    of DO
    and
    temperature
    in the
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    CAWS
    are having
    no
    detrimental
    impact
    on
    the present
    fish
    community?
    What
    information
    is
    the basis
    for
    your answer?
    87)
    Do
    you
    believe
    that the
    chemical,
    physical,
    and
    biological
    information
    available
    from
    the
    CAWS
    indicates
    that physical
    habitat
    degradation
    is
    the
    primary
    reason
    for the
    existing
    low
    fish-IBI
    scores
    in
    the CAWS?
    88)
    Is it
    your
    opinion
    that this
    habitat
    index
    will
    show
    that
    the
    aquatic
    life
    uses
    proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA
    for
    the CAWS
    are not
    attainable?
    89)
    In
    the
    context
    of
    the
    Clean
    Water
    Act’s
    aquatic-life
    goal
    and
    in the
    context
    of
    the
    Clean
    Water
    Act
    concepts
    of
    aquatic
    life and
    biological
    integrity,
    how will
    a
    CAWS-specific
    habitat
    index,
    be
    used
    to
    determine
    biological
    potential,
    i.e.,
    the
    best-
    possible
    biological
    conditions
    assuming
    that
    all
    reversible
    detrimental
    impacts
    are
    mitigated?
    90)
    On page
    16
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you state,
    “The
    lack
    of
    diverse
    bank-edge
    and
    instream
    habitat
    within
    CAWS
    may
    be a
    much
    more
    significant
    limitation
    on
    the development
    of
    sustainable
    fish
    communities
    than
    current
    levels
    of DO
    or
    temperature.”
    Based
    on
    what
    information?
    Are
    you
    aware
    that
    the
    proposed
    aquatic
    life
    use
    “A”
    and “B”
    designations
    for
    CAWS
    are
    based
    primarily
    on
    habitat
    differences
    including
    bank-edge
    and instream
    habitat?
    Are
    these
    proposed
    designated
    uses
    less
    than
    Clean
    Water
    Act goals
    (i.e.
    General
    Use
    designation)?
    91)
    On
    page
    18 of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    you
    state
    that the
    objective
    of
    the
    Habitat
    Evaluation
    and Improvement Study
    is
    “...to
    identify
    the most
    efficient
    and
    cost
    effective
    means
    to further
    protect
    and
    enhance
    Aquatic
    Life
    Use waters
    and
    associated
    beneficial
    uses
    in the
    CAWS.”
    Is
    the primary
    objective
    of
    the Habitat
    Evaluation
    and
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    Improvement
    Study
    to
    determine
    the
    best-attainable
    aquatic
    life
    uses required
    by the
    Clean Water
    Act
    in the CAWS?
    92)
    Do you
    believe that
    the
    aquatic life
    uses proposed
    by Illinois EPA
    for
    the
    CAWS are
    not attainable?
    93)
    What
    is the minimum
    amount
    of scientific
    information
    and
    analysis
    required to
    determine
    that the
    aquatic-life
    uses
    proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA
    cannot
    be
    attained
    in the
    CAWS?
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    Questions
    for
    Marcelo
    H.
    Garcia,
    Ph.D
    1)
    How
    might
    density
    currents
    affect
    water
    quality
    and
    transport
    low-oxygen,
    sediments-laden
    water
    and
    containments
    for long
    distances?
    2)
    What
    distances
    are
    you
    suggesting?
    3)
    When
    you
    say
    your
    recommendations
    have
    been
    implemented,
    are
    you
    referring
    to MWRDGC
    excepting
    the
    recommendations?
    4)
    What
    recommendations
    did
    you
    provide
    to the
    District?
    5)
    What
    research
    are you
    currently
    working
    on
    for the
    South
    Fork
    of
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River?
    6)
    When
    did
    this research
    begin?
    7)
    Who
    is involved
    in this
    research?
    8)
    What other
    options
    where
    there
    besides
    the
    Environmental
    Fluid
    Dynamics
    Code
    (EFDC)?
    9)
    What
    conditions
    might
    cause
    the South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River to
    act
    as
    a
    barrier
    to the
    flow coming
    out
    of
    the
    South
    Fork of
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River?
    10)
    Are
    you working
    on
    the
    modeling,
    laboratory
    and
    field
    observations
    simultaneously?
    When
    will the
    results
    of this
    information
    be completed?
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    Questions for Paul
    L.
    Freedman,
    P.E.
    1)
    Why are
    you
    of the
    opinion
    that
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    proposal
    is
    inappropriate
    aquatic
    life standards
    for
    the
    CAWS?
    2)
    What
    would you
    propose for
    aquatic
    life
    in the
    CAWS?
    3)
    What studies
    should the
    Board
    wait
    on
    to
    assist
    with establishing
    aquatic
    life uses
    for
    the
    CAWS?
    4)
    Are
    you
    suggesting that
    the
    general
    use
    daily
    minimum
    and
    7-day
    minima
    for the
    CAWS is
    unwarranted? If
    yes, please
    explain.
    5)
    Would
    this be
    consistent
    with the
    USEPA
    1986
    National
    Criteria
    document?
    If yes,
    please
    explain.
    6)
    What dissolved
    oxygen
    standard
    would
    you
    propose
    for these
    waters?
    7)
    What
    are the “significant
    impacts”
    you are
    referring
    to
    on page
    4
    of
    your
    pre-field testimony?
    8)
    What scientific
    publications
    are
    you
    referring
    to on
    page
    5 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony?
    9)
    What
    do you
    deem as
    significant
    effects
    in the
    CAWS due
    to wet
    weather
    impacts?
    10)
    What would
    you propose
    for a wet
    weather
    standard?
    11)
    What errors
    are your
    referring
    to with
    respect
    to
    the UAA
    QHEI
    and
    lBl
    scoring
    and analysis?
    12)
    In
    your pre-filed
    testimony
    on
    page 11,
    in the
    last
    sentence
    you
    state
    that
    Illinois EPA
    has not provided
    an adequate
    demonstration
    that the
    proposed
    aquatic-life
    uses can be achieved.
    In the
    second
    paragraph
    on page
    12 of
    Attachment
    2 to
    your
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    pre-filed
    testimony,
    this
    concern
    is
    reiterated
    in the
    statement
    that
    Illinois
    EPA
    “...did
    not
    show
    that
    the
    proposed
    beneficial
    uses
    can
    be
    attained
    in
    the
    forseeable
    future.”
    Have
    you performed
    an
    analysis
    that proves
    that
    the
    aquatic-life
    uses
    proposed
    by
    Illinois
    EPA
    cannot
    be
    attained
    in the
    waters
    for
    which
    they
    have
    been
    proposed?
    If
    yes,
    what
    biological,
    physical,
    and chemical
    information
    did you
    use
    and
    how
    did
    you
    interpret
    it to
    arrive
    at your
    conclusions?
    If
    no,
    on what
    basis
    do
    you
    conclude
    that
    the
    aquatic-life
    uses
    proposed
    by
    Illinois
    EPA
    cannot
    possibly
    be
    attained
    in
    the
    waters
    for
    which
    they
    have
    been
    proposed?
    13)
    On
    page 13,
    in
    the first
    paragraph
    of your
    “Conclusions”
    of
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony,
    you
    recommend
    that the
    Illinois
    Pollution
    Control
    Board
    “...establish
    a
    separate
    use
    classification
    for
    Bubbly
    Creek...”
    (i.e., South
    Fork
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River)
    that differs
    from
    that
    proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA.
    Additionally,
    you
    recommend
    that
    the
    Board
    designate
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    proposed
    “Use
    B” rather
    than
    “Use
    A” for
    Calumet
    Sag
    Channel.
    Have
    you
    performed
    a
    scientific
    investigation
    to
    arrive
    at these
    recommended
    use
    designations?
    a)
    If
    yes,
    on what
    biological,
    physical,
    and
    chemical
    information
    and
    interpretations
    is that
    analysis
    based?
    b)
    If
    no,
    how did
    you
    determine
    that the
    biological
    potential
    of
    South
    Fork South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    is
    less
    than
    the
    biological
    potential
    represented
    by
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    proposed
    aquatic-life
    use
    for this
    water?
    14)
    How
    do you
    define
    this
    new
    aquatic-life
    use that
    you
    recommend
    for
    this
    water?
    115

    15)
    Do
    you know
    the
    dissolved-oxygen
    requirements
    of each
    species
    or
    taxon
    of
    aquatic
    organism
    that
    occurs
    or
    can reasonably
    potentially
    occur
    in the
    CAWS?
    If no,
    what is
    the scientific
    basis
    for concluding
    that
    the
    Illinois
    EPA
    proposed
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standards
    for
    CAWS
    are inadequately
    justified,
    as you
    mention in
    the
    first
    full
    paragraph
    on page
    5 of
    your pre-filed
    testimony?
    16)
    How
    did
    you determine
    that the
    biological
    potential
    of
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    is
    less
    than the
    biological
    potential
    represented
    by Illinois
    EPA’s
    proposed
    aquatic-life
    use for
    this water?
    17)
    How
    did
    you
    determine
    that
    the
    biological
    potential
    of
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel
    is
    no
    greater
    than
    that
    represented
    by
    the aquatic-life
    use
    proposed
    by
    Illinois
    EPA
    for the most-modified
    of
    the CAWS
    waters,
    CAWS
    “B” waters?
    18)
    In the
    first
    sentence
    on
    page
    4 of your
    pre-filed
    testimony
    and
    again
    in the
    second
    paragraph
    on
    page 2 of
    Attachment
    2 to
    your pre-filed
    testimony,
    you
    state
    that
    the Chicago
    Area
    Waterways
    System
    is unique,
    with
    no other
    comparable
    system
    in
    Illinois
    or in
    the entire
    United States.
    Do you
    believe
    that
    no
    other
    waterbody
    in
    the
    United
    States
    has
    the
    same
    potential
    level of biological
    condition
    as the
    CAWS?
    If
    yes,
    what
    defines
    this unique
    level of
    biological
    condition
    that
    could serve
    as the
    biological
    potential
    of
    the
    CAWS?
    19)
    Of the states
    that
    have
    aquatic-life
    uses
    based
    on the concepts
    of
    the
    “tiered aquatic-life
    use” approach,
    do you know
    of
    any aquatic-life
    uses that
    are
    defined
    by
    lists of
    particular
    species
    or taxa
    of
    aquatic
    organisms?
    Can
    you provide
    some
    explicit
    examples?
    116

    20)
    Do
    you
    believe
    that
    all
    of
    the
    CAWS
    waters
    have
    the
    same
    potential
    level
    of biological
    integrity?
    If yes,
    why do
    you
    recommend
    a
    different
    use
    for
    South
    Fork
    South
    Branch
    Chicago
    River
    than for
    Calumet-Sag
    Channel?
    21)
    Do you
    agree
    that the
    dissolved-oxygen
    standards
    proposed
    by Illinois
    EPA
    for
    CAWS
    B
    waters
    differ
    from
    those
    proposed
    for
    CAWS
    A
    waters?
    22)
    Do you
    agree
    that
    the
    dissolved-oxygen
    standards
    proposed
    by
    Illinois
    EPA
    for
    CAWS
    A waters
    differ
    from
    those
    recently
    adopted
    by
    the
    Illinois
    Pollution
    Control
    Board
    for
    the
    majority
    of
    General
    Use
    waters
    of
    Illinois?
    23)
    Do you
    know
    the
    dissolved-oxygen
    requirements
    of
    each
    species
    or
    taxon
    of aquatic
    organism
    that
    occurs
    or
    can reasonably
    potentially
    occur
    in
    the
    CAWS?
    If
    no,
    what
    is
    the
    scientific
    basis
    for concluding
    that the
    Illinois
    EPA
    proposed
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standards
    for
    CAWS
    are
    inadequately
    justified,
    as
    you
    mention
    in the
    first
    full
    paragraph
    on
    page 5
    of your
    pre-filed
    testimony?
    24)
    In
    the
    middle
    of
    the
    first full
    paragraph
    on
    page
    11 of
    Attachment
    2 to
    your
    pre-filed
    testimony,
    you
    quote
    part of
    a
    sentence
    from
    the
    1986 USEPA
    national-criteria
    document
    for
    dissolved
    oxygen
    (which
    is
    Attachment
    X of
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    Statement
    of
    Reasons). Specifically
    you
    state
    that
    in all
    cases,
    the
    dissolved
    oxygen
    criteria
    recommended
    by USEPA
    in
    their
    1986
    document
    were
    developed
    “to
    protect
    the
    more
    sensitive
    populations
    of
    organisms”.
    What
    organisms
    are
    being
    referred
    to
    in
    this
    quote
    from
    the USEPA
    criteria
    document?
    25)
    For the
    Cuyahoga
    River
    shipping
    channel
    in
    Ohio,
    do
    you
    believe
    that
    this
    waterbody
    differs
    meaningfully
    from the
    CAWS
    with
    respect
    to
    its
    biological
    potential?
    Why or
    why
    not?
    117

    26)
    Do
    you
    know
    what
    are the
    Ohio
    standards
    for dissolved
    oxygen
    in
    this
    waterbody?
    If
    so, please
    state
    those
    standards
    and
    when
    these
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standards
    adopted?
    If
    you know
    what the
    standards
    are
    do
    you
    know
    how
    these
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standards
    are consistent
    with
    the
    information
    and
    recommendations
    in the
    USEPA
    national-criteria
    document
    (Attachment
    X)?
    27)
    Consistent
    with
    your reasoning
    for
    suggesting
    the
    Cuyahoga
    River
    shipping-channel
    dissolved
    oxygen
    standards
    are
    appropriate
    for the
    CAWS,
    do
    you
    believe
    that the
    Ohio
    dissolved-oxygen
    standards
    for
    Ohio’s
    “Warmwater
    Habitat”
    use
    are
    appropriate
    for
    most
    of Illinois’
    General
    Use
    waters?
    Respecifully
    submitted,
    ILLINOIS
    ENVIRONMENTAL
    PROTECTION
    AGENCY
    BJ’Jt1dkA
    Deborah
    J.
    Wi{)ams
    Assistant
    Counsel
    Dated:
    August
    22,
    2008
    1021 North
    Grand Avenue
    East
    P.O. Box 19276
    Springfield,
    Illinois 62794-9276
    (217)
    782-5544
    118

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    )
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    )
    PROOF
    OF SERVICE
    I,
    the
    undersigned,
    on oath
    state
    that I
    have served
    the attached
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    Motion
    to
    Preserve
    Opportunity
    to
    Submit
    Pre-filed
    Questions
    for
    Julia
    Wozniak
    and
    Illinois
    EPA’s
    Pre
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    Questions
    upon
    the person
    to
    whom
    it is
    directed
    by placing
    it
    an envelope
    addressed
    to:
    John Theffiault,
    Clerk
    Marie
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    Hearing
    Officer
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    Control
    Board
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    Center
    100
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    Randolph
    Street,
    Suite
    11-500
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    on August
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    2008,
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    and
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    mailing
    it
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    U.S.
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    from
    Springfield,
    Illinois
    on
    August
    22,
    2008
    with
    sufficient
    postage
    affixed
    to the
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    SERVICE
    LIST.
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    Chicago
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    Thompson
    Center
    100
    West
    Randolph,
    Ste
    11-500
    Chicago,
    IL
    60601
    Susan Hedman
    Andrew
    Armstrong
    Office
    of
    the Attorney
    General
    Environmental
    Bureau
    North
    69
    West
    Washington
    Street,
    Suite
    1800
    Chicago,
    IL
    60602
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    Ariel
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    Program
    Natural
    Resources
    Defense
    Council
    101
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    Wacker
    Dr.,
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    Metropolitan
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    Chicago
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    Chicago,
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    Richardson,
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    Illinois
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    Way
    Springfield,
    IL
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    Hearing
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    Illinois
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    R.
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    Center
    100
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    Chicago,
    IL
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