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    1 BEFORE THE ILLINOIS POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD OF THE
    STATE OF ILLINOIS
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    WASTE MANAGEMENT OF ILLINOIS, INC., )
    4 )
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    5 Petitioner, )
    )
    6 vs ) No. PCB 03-104
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    7 COUNTY BOARD OF KANE COUNTY, )
    ILLINOIS, )
    8 )
    Respondent. )
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    11 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS held in the
     
    12 hearing of the above-entitled matter, taken
     
    13 stenographically by Maria E. Shockey, CSR, before
     
    14 BRADLEY P. HALLORAN, Hearing Officer, at the Kane
     
    15 County Courthouse, 100 South Third Street, Room 240,
     
    16 Chicago, Illinois, on the 14th of April, A.D., 2003,
     
    17 at 9:15 a.m.
     
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    1 A P P E A R A N C E S:
    2
    ILLINOIS POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD,
    3 100 West Randolph Street
    Suite 11-512
    4 Chicago, Illinois 60601
    (312) 814-6983
    5 BY: MR. BRADLEY P. HALLORAN, HEARING OFFICER
    6
    PEDERSEN & HOUPT,
    7 161 North Clark Street
    Suite 3100
    8 Chicago, Illinois 60601
    (312) 261-2149
    9 BY: MR. DONALD J. MORAN
    10 On behalf of the Petitioner;
    11
    QUERREY & HARROW, LTD.,
    12 175 West Jackson Boulevard, Suite 1600
    Chicago, Illinois 60604
    13 (312) 540-7000
    BY: MS. JENNIFER J. SACKETT POHLENZ
    14
    On behalf of the Respondent;
    15
     
    16 ANCEL GLINK DIAMOND BUSH DICIANNI & ROLEK, PC.,
    140 South Dearborn Street
    17 Suite 600
    Chicago, Illinois 60603
    18 (312) 782-7606
    BY: MR. DERKE J. PRICE
    19
    On behalf of the Village of South Elgin.
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    1 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Good
     
    2 morning. My name is Bradley Halloran. I'm with the
     
    3 Illinois Pollution Control. I'm also assigned to
     
    4 this matter entitled Waste Management of Illinois,
     
    5 Inc., the Petitioner, versus the County Board of
     
    6 Kane County, Illinois, PCB 03-104. Today is April
     
    7 14, 2003, approximately 9:15 a.m.
     
    8 Before we get started on the
     
    9 hearing, the respondent filed a couple of motions, a
     
    10 motion in limine and a motion to bar on April 9.
     
    11 The petitioner was instructed to file its response
     
    12 by noon on April 10; however, I just received his
     
    13 response.
     
    14 Any further argument, Ms. Pohlenz,
     
    15 regarding your motion in limine and motion to bar?
     
    16 MS. POHLENZ: Just one matter. I
     
    17 think that we've covered everything within the
     
    18 motion and we'll stand on it. However, with respect
     
    19 to the one aspect of our motion seeking to bar
     
    20 petitioner from presenting any argument or evidence,
     
    21 on the last two pages of legal citations, a
     
    22 compilation of legal citations, that are pages 9
     
    23 and 10 -- no, I'm sorry -- on pages 5 and 6 of the
     
    24 December 10, 2002 Walter letter or memorandum, I
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 would like to submit the following case in support
     
    2 of that.
     
    3 It's an Illinois Pollution Control
     
    4 Board decision, People of the State of Illinois
     
    5 versus Panhandle Eastern Pipeline Company, 99-191.
     
    6 In this situation, the Board was faced with an
     
    7 analogous argument, and they received a motion in
     
    8 limine to bar an expert from testifying concerning
     
    9 Board records, public information.
     
    10 And they granted that motion and
     
    11 barred it stating that all the factual information
     
    12 of that which this particular expert is expected to
     
    13 testify is public information contained in Board
     
    14 records or the result of application of in this
     
    15 circumstance it was math to such information. The
     
    16 witness need not testify about this type of
     
    17 information for it to be considered.
     
    18 We agree that it's just an
     
    19 argument. And this circumstance is that it's public
     
    20 information available to everyone and, therefore,
     
    21 it's not a circumstance where it was needed to have
     
    22 any testimony on it or needed to be presented as
     
    23 evidence.
     
    24 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Thank you,
     
     
     
     
     

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    5
     
    1 Ms. Pohlenz.
     
    2 Could you introduce yourself and
     
    3 who you're representing?
     
    4 MS. POHLENZ: Yes. My name is
     
    5 Jennifer Sackett Pohlenz, and I represent the
     
    6 Respondent, the Kane County Board in this matter.
     
    7 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Thank you,
     
    8 Ms. Pohlenz.
     
    9 Mr. Moran, would you like to
     
    10 introduce yourself, and do you have any further
     
    11 argument on Ms. Pohlenz' motion?
     
    12 MR. MORAN: Yes. My name is
     
    13 Donald Moran. I represent Waste Management of
     
    14 Illinois, Inc., the Petitioner.
     
    15 I haven't had an opportunity to
     
    16 review the case that Ms. Pohlenz cites. It sounds
     
    17 inapposite to the issue that's been raised in the
     
    18 motion to bar. What we're simply asking to do is
     
    19 that we include within this record the full
     
    20 memorandum that was provided by Mr. Walter to his
     
    21 fellow county board members on December 10.
     
    22 That memorandum included two pages
     
    23 of what appears to be a xeroxed copy of the Smith
     
    24 Hurd Annotated Statutes or some other legal treatise
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 that had brief summaries of various siting cases.
     
    2 There's also notations on these two pages, which
     
    3 evidently were made by Mr. Walter and which are
     
    4 appended or included in that document, presumably,
     
    5 in support of his memorandum in his attempt to
     
    6 persuade other members of the County Board.
     
    7 So I think for purposes of
     
    8 inclusion, for purposes of completeness, that entire
     
    9 document aught be in this record.
     
    10 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
     
    11 Ms. Pohlenz?
     
    12 MS. POHLENZ: I would just object to
     
    13 the statement evidently made by Mr. Walter, because
     
    14 I don't believe there's any evidence before the
     
    15 Hearing Officer in support of that statement.
     
    16 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay. I'm
     
    17 going to deny your motion in limine, Ms. Pohlenz,
     
    18 especially if we all know it's a drastic measure,
     
    19 and I'll allow you to object during the hearing at
     
    20 the appropriate time if you feel the need especially
     
    21 based on Mr. Moran's representations.
     
    22 Also, the motion to bar certain
     
    23 allegations in evidence in the posthearing briefs,
     
    24 I'm also going to deny that motion. And feel free
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 by all means to raise that in your posthearing brief
     
    2 at the appropriate time.
     
    3 Briefly, to continue, I want to
     
    4 state that the Petitioner, Waste Management, alleges
     
    5 in its petition that the siting decision was
     
    6 fundamentally unfair and that several findings
     
    7 regarding the statutory criteria was against the
     
    8 weight of evidence.
     
    9 This hearing has been scheduled in
     
    10 accordance with the Illinois Environmental
     
    11 Protection Act and the Pollution Control Board Rules
     
    12 of Procedure. It will be conducted according to the
     
    13 procedural rules found in Section 107.400 and
     
    14 Section 101, Subpart F.
     
    15 It does look like we have about
     
    16 16 or 17 members of the public. Are you all going
     
    17 to make a public comment or testimony subject to
     
    18 cross-examination? If I could just see a show of
     
    19 hands, please.
     
    20 (No response).
     
    21 In other words, you can step up
     
    22 here and be subject to cross but you would be sworn
     
    23 in or you can just stand up here and state your
     
    24 peace if you so choose, and we'll do that right
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 after the close of the case in chiefs.
     
    2 MR. PRICE: (Indicating).
     
    3 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Your name?
     
    4 MR. PRICE: My name is Derke Price.
     
    5 I'm the attorney for the Village of South Elgin. I
     
    6 will be making a comment. I won't be offering any
     
    7 testimony.
     
    8 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay. Your
     
    9 last name again?
     
    10 MR. PRICE: Price, P-R-I-C-E.
     
    11 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay. Just
     
    12 a little background, as most of you know, I will not
     
    13 be making the ultimate decision in this case,
     
    14 rather, the Pollution Control Board will decide it.
     
    15 They're going to review the
     
    16 transcript of these proceedings and the remainder of
     
    17 the record and the posthearing briefs. My job is to
     
    18 ensure that the hearing is orderly and a clear
     
    19 record is developed so that the Board can have all
     
    20 the proper information before it while it makes its
     
    21 decision.
     
    22 After the hearing, the parties
     
    23 will also have an opportunity to submit posthearing
     
    24 briefs, and we'll discuss the posthearing briefing
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 schedule on a short break. Also, public comment,
     
    2 written public comment, is accepted and that will be
     
    3 taken into consideration as well by the Board.
     
    4 We've already introduced the
     
    5 parties, and it's my understanding that there's
     
    6 going to be no witnesses, is that correct, Counsel?
     
    7 MR. MORAN: (Indicating).
     
    8 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: So, I
     
    9 guess, Mr. Moran, if you choose to do an opening or
     
    10 present anything, this is the time to do it.
     
    11 MR. MORAN: Yes. Mr. Hearing Officer,
     
    12 all we would do as previously indicated is formally
     
    13 offer the respondent's responses to our request to
     
    14 admit, to formally make those part of the record.
     
    15 But other than that document, we have no witnesses
     
    16 to present. We have no other evidence or any other
     
    17 documents we wish to offer.
     
    18 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay.
     
    19 Thank you. Do you wish to offer those at this time?
     
    20 MR. MORAN: I have one copy of this.
     
    21 I'm not sure why I don't have a couple. I'd like to
     
    22 submit this and then ask for leave to submit
     
    23 additional copies to make the record complete. I
     
    24 don't have an extra copy.
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
     
    2 Ms. Pohlenz, any objection?
     
    3 MS. POHLENZ: Yes, Mr. Hearing
     
    4 Officer. We object to the submittal of it to the
     
    5 extent it is an offer of factual information on
     
    6 which no claim of fundamental fairness has been
     
    7 made, for example, stating recitation of the dates
     
    8 on which certain Board Members were sworn in office.
     
    9 Additionally, we object to it as
     
    10 it is the first response, I believe, and not the
     
    11 supplemental response that was filed, that is, the
     
    12 full response on behalf of the respondent.
     
    13 And, lastly, we object to
     
    14 admission of pages 5 and 6 of the December 10, 2002
     
    15 memo as that is publically available information.
     
    16 And that summarizes the objections.
     
    17 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Any
     
    18 response, Mr. Moran?
     
    19 MR. MORAN: Yes. The document that
     
    20 we're seeking to have admitted should have been part
     
    21 of the County record when it was assembled. And the
     
    22 principle reason for our submission of it now is in
     
    23 my review of what was being maintained by the County
     
    24 Clerk, the Walter memorandum was not maintained by
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 the County Clerk in its entirety. All we're seeking
     
    2 to do is to ensure that the entire memorandum is
     
    3 made part of this record.
     
    4 With respect to the responses to
     
    5 the request to admit, it's certainly my intent to
     
    6 submit whatever the final version of those responses
     
    7 were that were provided by the respondent. I
     
    8 thought that's what I gave you, if it isn't, then
     
    9 I'm happy to submit whatever their final responses
     
    10 are.
     
    11 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Do you want
     
    12 to take a look at this again and see if they're in
     
    13 here?
     
    14 MR. MORAN: Well, I really can't tell
     
    15 because both of them were titled Responses to
     
    16 Request to Admit. And without actually going
     
    17 through and comparing the first one with the second
     
    18 one, it would not be easy for me to do it. Maybe
     
    19 Ms. Pohlenz could do it more readily if she could
     
    20 recognize which version was the last version.
     
    21 MS. POHLENZ: I believe it was titled
     
    22 Supplemental but -- may I approach?
     
    23 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Oh, please
     
    24 do.
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 MS. POHLENZ: This is the first one.
     
    2 And I'll just point as evidence to that paragraph
     
    3 Number 15 in which it says: Pursuant to the
     
    4 April 7, 2003 agreement of counsel for petitioner,
     
    5 no response is provided at this time, and respondent
     
    6 will supplement its response to petitioner's request
     
    7 to admit and provide a response to request
     
    8 Number 15 on April 8, 2002.
     
    9 And this document is dated also on
     
    10 page 8, April 7, so that is -- additionally, it
     
    11 appears as though the document contains an Exhibit B
     
    12 with no Exhibit A, and the response itself did not
     
    13 have any exhibits attached to it. It was actually
     
    14 the request to admit that had exhibits attached to
     
    15 it.
     
    16 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: If there's
     
    17 nothing further, I'm going to deny your objections,
     
    18 Ms. Pohlenz. I will accept Petitioner's
     
    19 Exhibit Number 1 into evidence, again, it's
     
    20 respondent's responses to petitioner's request to
     
    21 admit with an attachment entitled Exhibit B. But in
     
    22 any event, they're all coming in as Petitioner's
     
    23 Exhibit Number 1.
     
    24 MS. POHLENZ: Just for the record,
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 Mr. Hearing Officer, if I may, Exhibit B, there was
     
    2 no exhibits attached to our responses.
     
    3 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay. I
     
    4 think you've made that clear for the record. Thank
     
    5 you very much.
     
    6 Anything else, Mr. Moran?
     
    7 MR. MORAN: No. That's all we have,
     
    8 Mr. Hearing Officer.
     
    9 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: So you rest
     
    10 your case in chief then?
     
    11 MR. MORAN: We'll rest and present our
     
    12 arguments in our briefs.
     
    13 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay.
     
    14 Thank you.
     
    15 MS. POHLENZ: Ms. Pohlenz, do you have
     
    16 any opening or --
     
    17 MS. POHLENZ: No opening. I will
     
    18 reserve it for a brief closing. However, I would
     
    19 like to seek judicial notice of two documents. The
     
    20 first is Kane County, Ordinance Number 01281
     
    21 amending Section 11-100 through 11-107 of the Kane
     
    22 County Code, Rules of Procedure for the Regional
     
    23 Pollution Control facility site approval application
     
    24 in an unincorporated area of Kane County.
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 This is the siting ordinance of
     
    2 Kane County, and I would ask the Hearing Officer to
     
    3 take judicial notice of it and to admit it.
     
    4 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay. I
     
    5 probably won't take judicial notice. Mr. Moran --
     
    6 MR. MORAN: I have no objection
     
    7 putting it in.
     
    8 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: All right.
     
    9 I'll accept it as Respondent's Exhibit Number 1.
     
    10 MS. POHLENZ: Okay. And then the
     
    11 second is Resolution Number 98-52, again, of
     
    12 Kane County adopting the updated Solid Waste
     
    13 Management plan and attached to that is -- and it's
     
    14 a certified copy.
     
    15 Attached to it is Volume 1 and
     
    16 Volume 2 of the Kane County Solid Waste Management
     
    17 plan five-year update dated November 19, '97.
     
    18 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Thank you.
     
    19 Mr. Moran?
     
    20 MR. MORAN: I'm not sure why that
     
    21 needs to be part of the record, but I don't have any
     
    22 objection to submitting it.
     
    23 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay. So,
     
    24 Ms. Pohlenz, if you could mark those exhibits as
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 Number 1 and 2, please.
     
    2 MS. POHLENZ: And, Mr. Hearing
     
    3 Officer, I would ask because of -- just a technical
     
    4 leave on admission of these for less than the nine
     
    5 copies required for the actual Solid Waste
     
    6 Management plan given its volume and then for it to
     
    7 be on nonrecycled paper.
     
    8 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: That's
     
    9 fine.
     
    10 MS. POHLENZ: I'm going to submit an
     
    11 original and three copies of the Solid Waste
     
    12 Management plan and an original and nine copies of
     
    13 the ordinance, and I will give you a box if you
     
    14 want.
     
    15 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay. That
     
    16 would be great. Thanks.
     
    17 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN:
     
    18 Respondent's Exhibit Number 1 and 2, admitted into
     
    19 evidence.
     
    20 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Anything
     
    21 further, Ms. Pohlenz?
     
    22 MS. POHLENZ: No, Mr. Hearing Officer.
     
    23 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Mr. Moran,
     
    24 I assume no rebuttal?
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 MR. MORAN: No rebuttal.
     
    2 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay. So
     
    3 this is closed as far as the case in chiefs with
     
    4 respect the parties.
     
    5 Mr. Price -- and before -- I just
     
    6 saw a couple other members of the public walk in.
     
    7 Again, you're more than welcome, in fact, we
     
    8 encourage it if you want to stand up here and give a
     
    9 public comment not subject to cross-examination or
     
    10 if you want to come up here and give testimony
     
    11 subject to cross-examination. In the latter, you
     
    12 would be sworn in. So do I see any show of hands
     
    13 that -- other than Mr. Price that would like to give
     
    14 public comment?
     
    15 (No response).
     
    16 Okay. Mr. Price, you're on.
     
    17 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
     
    18 Again, my name is Derke Price for
     
    19 the Village of South Elgin. Now that the record is
     
    20 established and closed, our only comment at the
     
    21 hearing stage is we'll be -- we have leave to submit
     
    22 a written amicus curiae brief and at the end we'll
     
    23 do that, is to note the absence of something in the
     
    24 record, which is the State of Illinois requires all
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 documents relative to a facility to be submitted to
     
    2 the decision-maker.
     
    3 In this case, Waste Management
     
    4 failed to submit what was required about the
     
    5 Woodland landfill on which the facility exists. And
     
    6 I'm just going to quote from their application
     
    7 things that they said that indicate they should have
     
    8 submitted far more in the record for the
     
    9 decision-maker to consider.
     
    10 In 2.2. of their application, it
     
    11 says: Currently, portions of the facility are used
     
    12 to support the existing operations at the Woodland
     
    13 landfill. Features of the facility include the
     
    14 existence of a tension basin, the access road, the
     
    15 scale house --
     
    16 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: If you
     
    17 could slow down a little please for the court
     
    18 reporter. I'm sorry.
     
    19 MR. PRICE: That's right. I'm sorry.
     
    20 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Thank you.
     
    21 MR. PRICE: -- as shown on drawing
     
    22 Number 2. Prior to development of the transfer
     
    23 station building, existing structures will be raised
     
    24 in the potable well and septic field for the
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 existing office building will be abandoned.
     
    2 It is our position -- they have,
     
    3 again, referenced the Woodland landfill facility;
     
    4 second, in the hydrogeological overview at 2.3.5.,
     
    5 they say: The hydrogeology for the Woodland
     
    6 landfill is described extensively in the
     
    7 December 1993 significant modification permit
     
    8 application prepared for the existing Woodland
     
    9 Management II landfill operation.
     
    10 That document was never submitted
     
    11 to the Kane County Board for their consideration,
     
    12 their study, their review, our cross-examination.
     
    13 It's not a part of this record.
     
    14 In Section 3, 3.13.3.2, detention
     
    15 basin: The existing detention basin is currently
     
    16 used by Woodland landfill to manage surface water
     
    17 runoff from portions of the landfill. After
     
    18 development of the facility, storm water runoff from
     
    19 the Woodland landfill will continue to be routed
     
    20 through the detention basis.
     
    21 The detention basin is proposed to
     
    22 be expanded to meet the storm requirements of the
     
    23 storm water ordinance and to accommodate storm water
     
    24 runoff from the Woodland landfill and storm water
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 runoff from the facility. None of the backup
     
    2 information for calculating the storm water runoff
     
    3 for the entire Woodland landfill site was provided
     
    4 by Waste Management as part of its application that
     
    5 is now in this record.
     
    6 That information needed to be
     
    7 provided to the Kane County Board so that they can
     
    8 consider all of that information in making their
     
    9 decision. Waste Management chose not to do that.
     
    10 We will detail further things
     
    11 about how Waste Management, by locating this
     
    12 building within the attenuation zone of the
     
    13 landfill, has failed to provide the structural
     
    14 calculations necessary to consider exactly how it is
     
    15 that those structures, those three different mounds
     
    16 might be affected by locating a building there in
     
    17 addition to the storm water and the hydrogeologic
     
    18 information that we pointed out from their
     
    19 application. The rest will be in our brief.
     
    20 Thank you.
     
    21 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Thank you,
     
    22 Mr. Price.
     
    23 Anything further? Any members of
     
    24 the public wish to step up here and talk about
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 anything on their mind relevant to the situation?
     
    2 (No response).
     
    3 With that said, we'll go off the
     
    4 record and discuss the posthearing briefing
     
    5 schedule.
     
    6 (Whereupon, a discussion
     
    7 was had off the record.)
     
    8 We're back on the record. We just
     
    9 finished discussing the briefing schedule, and,
     
    10 again, no members of the public wish to make a
     
    11 comment or testify, so we've established that the
     
    12 record will be completed by April 17. Hopefully, it
     
    13 will be on our web site by April 18. The opening
     
    14 for Waste Management is due on or before April 30.
     
    15 The brief for Kane County is due
     
    16 May 12, and the amicus is also due May 12. The
     
    17 reply by Waste Management is due May 19, there's no
     
    18 mailbox rule that applies to those dates. I also
     
    19 set the public comment due on April 25, and the
     
    20 mailbox rule applies in that situation.
     
    21 If there's nothing else, I'm
     
    22 going to conclude this hearing, and I thank the
     
    23 counsels for their professionalism. Thank you very
     
    24 much -- Ms. Pohlenz, do you have something?
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 MS. POHLENZ: May I have one moment?
     
    2 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Sure.
     
    3 MS. POHLENZ: Will there be any
     
    4 closing statements by petitioner?
     
    5 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: I'm sorry.
     
    6 I thought you -- sure.
     
    7 MS. POHLENZ: I have a brief closing
     
    8 to present.
     
    9 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay. I'm
     
    10 sorry.
     
    11 Mr. Moran, do you have a closing
     
    12 to make?
     
    13 MR. MORAN: I have no closing to make.
     
    14 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Okay. I
     
    15 assumed you were saving it for posthearing briefs,
     
    16 but go ahead, Ms. Pohlenz, with your closing.
     
    17 MS. POHLENZ: This proceeding concerns
     
    18 Waste Management of Illinois, Inc.'s appeal and the
     
    19 Kane County Board's decision to deny Waste
     
    20 Management's June 14, 2002 application to cite
     
    21 Woodland transfer station. Waste Management has
     
    22 appealed alleging two categories of failures: The
     
    23 first, fundamental fairness in a conclusory sense
     
    24 and then the second, a decision -- that the Board's
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 decision as to whether certain criteria were met was
     
    2 against the manifest weight of the evidence.
     
    3 Waste Management has presented no
     
    4 substantive evidence, no sufficient evidence
     
    5 concerning any alleged fundamental unfairness today.
     
    6 Further, the record fully and factually supports the
     
    7 decision of the Kane County Board and, therefore,
     
    8 Waste Management of Illinois, Inc.'s appeal should
     
    9 be denied. The Kane County Board decision affirmed.
     
    10 At this hearing, Waste Management
     
    11 of Illinois, Inc., had an opportunity to present
     
    12 evidence to support its fundamental fairness claim.
     
    13 What is that claim? Well, I've been trying to
     
    14 figure that out myself during discovery, and I'm
     
    15 still not sure of what's being claimed. But the
     
    16 allegation, apparently, rests on an argument that
     
    17 the procedural and legal standard used by the Board
     
    18 in making its decision were allegedly the wrong
     
    19 ones.
     
    20 Now, putting aside and not waiving
     
    21 the issue as to whether either of these apparent
     
    22 arguments are even fundamental fairness arguments,
     
    23 I'll reserve that for the brief. The procedural
     
    24 portion of this argument appears to be based on a
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 four-page memo or letter dated December 10, 2002 by
     
    2 Dan Walter to his fellow Board Members.
     
    3 Waste Management, apparently, is
     
    4 saying that the memo if factually inaccurate, but
     
    5 how? Waste Management doesn't specify, so I'm
     
    6 unable to defend such fundamental fairness
     
    7 allegations today. I'm, therefore, at a
     
    8 disadvantage since I don't know what they're alleged
     
    9 to be.
     
    10 And I submit to you that by not
     
    11 identifying these, Waste Management has waived them.
     
    12 Waste Management of Illinois, Inc., also, I believe,
     
    13 is claiming that it didn't have the opportunity to
     
    14 respond to Walter's memo. This is interesting as
     
    15 the Walter document is no more than a written form
     
    16 of deliberation statements that can and are
     
    17 presented by Board Members orally.
     
    18 Waste Management has no right to
     
    19 respond to Board deliberation be it oral or written
     
    20 during the period of time that they're making their
     
    21 decision. Now, what about the legal standard
     
    22 argument? Waste Management of Illinois, Inc.'s
     
    23 apparent allegation is that the Kane County Board
     
    24 applied the wrong one?
     
     
     
     
     

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    1 It's nothing more than a manifest
     
    2 weight argument cloaked as fundamental fairness so
     
    3 that Waste Management of Illinois, Inc., can try for
     
    4 a different standard of review on appeal. So where
     
    5 does that leave us? Unidentified alleged factual
     
    6 inaccuracies, response to a document that there's no
     
    7 right to respond to, and misapplication of a legal
     
    8 standard argument.
     
    9 And I submit to you that this is
     
    10 nothing more than carrying a grudge after a loss,
     
    11 and it's willfully inadequate to prove that anything
     
    12 about the fundamentally fair procedure of the Kane
     
    13 County Board was unfair. This local siting decision
     
    14 was fundamentally fair and is supported by the
     
    15 record, and I ask that it be upheld.
     
    16 HEARING OFFICER HALLORAN: Thank you,
     
    17 Ms. Pohlenz.
     
    18 With that, thank you very much.
     
    19 Have a safe trip home, and I'll see you the next
     
    20 time around. Thanks.
     
    21 (Which were all the proceedings
     
    22 had in the above-entitled cause
     
    23 on this date.)
     
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    1 STATE OF ILLINOIS )
    ) SS.
    2 COUNTY OF DUPAGE )
     
    3
     
    4 I, MARIA E. SHOCKEY, CSR, do
     
    5 hereby state that I am a court reporter doing
     
    6 business in the City of Chicago, County of DuPage,
     
    7 and State of Illinois; that I reported by means of
     
    8 machine shorthand the proceedings held in the
     
    9 foregoing cause, and that the foregoing is a true
     
    10 and correct transcript of my shorthand notes so
     
    11 taken as aforesaid.
     
    12
     
    13
     
    14 _____________________
    Maria E. Shockey, CSR
    15 Notary Public,
    DuPage County, Illinois
    16
    17 SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN TO
    before me this ___ day
    18 of April, A.D., 2003.
    19
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    20 Notary Public
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