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    BEFORE THE POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD
    OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS
    MINNESOTA MINING & )
    MANUFACTURING COMPANY, )
    )
    Petitioner, )
    )
    vs. ) No. PCB 95-90
    )
    ILLINOIS ENVIRONMENTAL )
    PROTECTION AGENCY, )
    )
    Respondent. )
    The following is the transcript of a hearing
    held in the above-entitled matter, taken
    stenographically
    by Caryl L. Hardy, CSR, a notary public within and for
    the County of Cook and State of Illinois, before Deborah
    Frank Feinen, Hearing Officer, at the James R. Thompson
    Center, 100 West Randolph Street, Suite 11-500, Chicago,
    Illinois, on the 5th day of December, 1997,
    A.D.,
    commencing at the hour of 10:10 a.m.
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    A P P E A R A N C E S:
    HEARING TAKEN BEFORE:
    ILLINOIS POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD,
    100 West Randolph Street
    Suite 11-500
    Chicago, Illinois 60601
    (312) 814-4925
    BY: MS. DEBORAH FRANK FEINEN
    ILLINOIS POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:
    Jack Burds
    Charles King
    ILLINOIS ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY MEMBERS PRESENT:
    Ms. Laurel
    Kroack
    Mr. Christopher Romaine
    OTHER AUDIENCE MEMBERS WERE PRESENT AT THE HEARING, BUT
    NOT LISTED ON THIS APPEARANCE PAGE.
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    I N D E X
    PAGES
    GREETING BY HEARING OFFICER. . . . . . . . . 4
    STATEMENT BY MR. FORT. . . . . . . . . . . . 5
    STATEMENT BY MS. KROACK. . . . . . . . . . . 6
    TESTIMONY OF THOMAS W. ZOSEL . . . . . . . . 6
    TESTIMONY OF CHRISTOPHER ROMAINE . . . . . . 9
    CLOSING COMMENTS BY HEARING OFFICER. . . . . 18
    E X H I B I T S
    Marked for
    Identification
    Petitioner's Exhibit No. 1. . . . . . . . . 8
    Respondent's Exhibit No. 1. . . . . . . . . 17
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    MS. FEINEN: Good morning and welcome to the
    Pollution Control Board hearing in 3M vs. IEPA. This is
    a variance petition, PCB 95-90. My name is Deborah
    Feinen, and I am the Pollution Control Board hearing
    officer in this case. Also here from the board are Jack
    Burds, also another hearing officer, and Chuck King,
    attorney assistant to
    Marili McFawn.
    At this time, I would note that there is one member of
    the public present. I think everybody else is here
    associated with the case. I would go ahead and ask the
    attorneys to make an appearance and if you want to
    introduce anybody to go ahead and do that.
    MR. FORT: Well, I'm Jeff Fort on behalf of 3M here
    with Cindy
    Faur as counsel for 3M. We are going to
    present one witness today, Mr. Thomas
    Zosel, who will
    testify concerning the petition.
    MS. KROACK: And I'm Laurel
    Kroack. I'm assistant
    counsel for the Illinois EPA division of legal counsel,
    bureau of air regulatory unit. We have one witness with
    us today, Christopher Romaine, who is manager of the new
    source review unit. He will be presenting some narrative
    testimony on behalf of the agency in this matter.
    MS. FEINEN: And does our member of the public wish
    to make an appearance on the record?
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    MR. ROGERS: Yes. My name is Pat Rogers. I'm a
    township supervisor for the township of Lyons.
    MS. FEINEN: Are there any preliminary matters that
    we need to discuss before we go ahead and start?
    MR. FORT: Well, I don't think we do. As I
    mentioned before we got started, we have asserted in our
    variance petitions that we are in compliance with the
    applicable coding regulations, but after discussing with
    the agency and having come to really an agreement on
    conditions of this variance, the key aspect of which is
    an environmental management system agreement as a
    compliance program, we don't see the need to ask the
    board to make a decision on that issue, and I think that
    was the only issue in the papers that separated us.
    So in light of that, it is our view that hopefully the
    hearing transcript is going to be readable and
    understandable; that we don't see the need for a briefing
    on this.
    We know this case has been pending for a while. We
    are proceeding on several fronts concerning the
    compliance program here of the management system
    agreement. The agency has regulations out for public
    comment, and we are hopeful of moving forward
    expeditiously.
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    So to the extent the board can accommodate us and take
    a look as this sooner rather than later, that would be
    very helpful for us.
    MS. FEINEN: Okay.
    MS. KROACK: I would only like to say that based on
    the terms and provisions contained in our recommendation
    that the agency supports this variance today.
    MS. FEINEN: Okay. So I assume then there are no
    opening statements, so you can move right to your
    witnesses, or do you have an opening statement?
    MR. FORT: I think I just made it.
    MS. KROACK: And I have made mine.
    MS. FEINEN: Then do you want to call Mr.
    Zosel?
    MR. FORT: Yes. I would like to call
    Mr. Thomas
    Zosel as our witness.
    MS. FEINEN: Would you please swear the witness?
    (Witness sworn.)
    THOMAS W. ZOSEL,
    called as a witness herein, having been first duly sworn,
    was examined upon oral interrogatories, and testified as
    follows:
    DIRECT EXAMINATION
    BY MR. FORT:
    Q Would you state your name for the record, please?
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    A Thomas G.
    Zosel.
    Q And, Mr.
    Zosel, do you have prepared testimony to
    present today?
    A Yes.
    MR. FORT: Madam Hearing Officer, we have circulated
    a draft of Mr.
    Zosel's testimony previously to the
    agency, and I would like leave to have Mr.
    Zosel's
    testimony put into the transcript as if read.
    If Mr. Rogers needs some time to read it, we certainly
    can wait while he reads it or make sure that we have a
    proper order, but we would like to proceed as if the
    testimony has been read.
    MS. FEINEN: Mr. Rogers, do you have any objection?
    MR. ROGERS: I don't. I had an opportunity to read
    it before we started this morning. I have no objection.
    MS. FEINEN: And, Mr.
    Zosel, this is a true and
    accurate copy of your testimony?
    MR. ZOSEL: It is.
    MS. FEINEN: Then I will go ahead and enter that as
    Petitioner's Exhibit 1 as long as there is no objection
    from the agency.
    MS. KROACK: No objection.
    MS. FEINEN: Okay. Then it's entered as if read,
    and it will be Petitioner's Exhibit 1.
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    (Petitioner's Exhibit No. 1 marked for
    identification, 12-5-97.)
    MR. FORT: I have one clarifying question for
    Mr. Zosel.
    CONTINUED DIRECT EXAMINATION
    BY MR. FORT:
    Q Mr.
    Zosel, in your testimony, you indicate that we
    project an emission baseline and a cap on emissions from
    the Bedford Park plant on the order of 2,792 tons per
    year?
    A That's correct.
    Q We also indicate that as a result of the
    Environmental Management System Agreement that we are
    working towards a strategy with IEPA that there will be a
    1,023 tons per season allotment?
    A That's correct.
    Q Is it your understanding that that seasonal
    allotment of allotment trading units reflects the 12
    percent reduction required by the Emission Reduction
    Marketing System regulation just passed by the board?
    A That's correct.
    MR. FORT: Thank you. I have nothing further.
    MS. FEINEN: Ms.
    Kroack?
    MS. KROACK: Yes. I would like Mr. Romaine to
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    testify. His testimony will be in the form of a
    narrative unless there is an objection.
    MS. FEINEN: Okay. Then can you please swear in
    Mr. Romaine?
    (Witness sworn.)
    MS. FEINEN: Let's go off the record.
    (Whereupon, a discussion was
    held off the record.)
    MS. FEINEN: Let's go back on the record.
    MR. ROMAINE: Good morning. My name is Christopher
    Romaine, and I'm here for the agency. I work in the air
    permit section. I'm manager of the new source review
    unit.
    The purpose of my statement is to provide the agency's
    technical perspective on the context of the proposed
    variance. This variance deals with the moguls and
    blenders at 3M's Bedford Park plant in which some of the
    coatings applied at this plant are compounded.
    In particular, the concern is loss of volatile organic
    material or VOM into the work rooms in which the moguls
    and blender are located that occur from displacement of
    vapors when these units are charged with raw materials.
    Emissions of this type are sometimes described in
    common usage as fugitive emissions even though they occur
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    within a building.
    The VOM emissions resulting from the charging of raw
    materials are then mixed with and dispersed in the room
    ventilation air and discharged as part of the room
    ventilation system. The concern is not with VOM
    emissions that occur through stacks or vents that are
    directly connected to the mixers. The vents on the
    moguls and blenders are very effectively controlled with
    reflux condensers.
    I think it's necessary to explain while we consider
    that these compounding operations are very distinct and
    separate from the actual application of coatings, there
    are a number of reasons for this. As a practical matter,
    3M's situation is unusual as it produces essentially from
    scratch its own coatings. Most manufacturing facilities
    engaged in coating obtain their coatings from off-site
    and only perform final steps needed to prepare the
    coatings for application such as adjusting viscosity with
    thinner, producing catalysts or other additives, or
    correcting for color match.
    The manufacture of the coatings generally occurs at
    other facilities that specialize in producing certain
    types of coatings serving a particular sector or niche.
    These coatings may include not only these types of
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    manufacturing coatings that 3M uses but also
    architectural consumer-type coatings that you and I might
    use.
    These other facilities are regulated as manufacturers
    of coatings, not as
    appliers of coatings. For purposes
    of compliance, these facilities cannot avail themselves
    of the presence of other coating operations elsewhere at
    the site. They simply don't have those other coating
    operations.
    The circumstance of these coating manufacturers are
    very different than of individuals applying the
    coatings. The coating manufacturers want to minimize
    losses of VOM to the greatest extent practical as VOM is
    an essential constituent in their coating products. Any
    VOM lost in the manufacturing process represents VOM that
    is not available to be shipped in product.
    In contrast, the individuals applying a coating want
    to lose or drive off the VOM in the coating leaving
    behind the pigment, resin, or other active ingredients.
    In this regard, a key aspect of any coating line is the
    provision to dry or cure the coating be it a heated bake
    oven or sufficient space to store the coated product as
    it air dries.
    This can result in very different strategies to
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    control VOM emissions from the two types of facilities.
    Add-on control is a last result for a coating
    manufacturer who would prefer to prevent emissions by
    measures such as enclosure, maintaining low temperatures,
    avoiding other conditions that increase transfer of VOM
    from liquid to vapor. For the coating applicator,
    however, add-on control may be the only means to address
    the VOM evaporating from coatings during drying and
    curing.
    This distinction between emission units involved in
    manufacturing coatings and applying coatings is reflected
    in the board's rules. The Chicago area's coating
    application is specifically regulated under Part 218,
    Subpart F for units that have been addressed by control
    technology guidelines by U.S. EPA and under Subpart PP
    for units which U.S. EPA has not addressed control
    technique guidelines.
    The regulated entity is labeled a coating line. This
    term is defined in 35 Illinois Administrative Code
    211.1230 as an operation consisting of one or more
    applicators in associated drying equipment where a
    coating is applied dried and/or cured.
    Part 218 also has separate requirements for coating
    manufacturers including Subpart AA for manufacture of
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    paint and ink and Subpart QQ for miscellaneous
    formulation manufacturing processing plants.
    Paint manufacturing is defined at Section 211.450 as a
    source that mixes, blends, or compounds, shellacs,
    varnishes, stains or other pigmented coatings. These
    distinctions can be tracked back to US EPA's guidance, in
    particular the RACT control technique guideline for paper
    coating which is the classification of 3M's coating
    operations. It only addresses the coating application
    process, describes various types of coating applicators
    and types of control strategies that can be applied to
    reduce VOM emissions from these operations. It does not
    address, however, the production of coatings.
    Now, as I have explained the displacement losses from
    charging mixing equipment and compounding operation are
    most economically controlled by pollution prevention
    techniques that minimize the generation and loss of
    vapors. This is exactly what 3M has done for its
    compounding operations.
    Application of add-on control devices beyond the
    pollution prevention measures can vary in difficulty
    depending on the circumstances. Certainly, it is far
    easier if the compounding equipment and the building in
    which they are located were designed for operation with
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    an add-on control device, which is not the case for 3M.
    Based on my
    knowledged of 3M's plant layout and
    familiarity with compounding operations, a control device
    for 3M's compounding equipment would be costly to install
    and expensive to operate in comparison with the amount of
    VOM control because of the amount of air that the control
    device would have to handle.
    Without detailed information about the likely design
    of such control system, we cannot accurately estimate the
    cost-effectiveness of such a system. We are confident,
    however, that the cost would exceed what the board has
    previously considered reasonably available control
    technique or RACT.
    In addition, it is important to note that the US EPA
    has not prepared a control technology guideline defining
    reasonably available control technique for compounding
    equipment. Rather, this equipment is regulated by one of
    Illinois so-called generic rules for non-control
    technique guideline operations, Subpart QQ as I
    previously mentioned.
    These rules only require that control systems achieve
    81 percent overall control for VOM. This assumes, of
    course, that 3M would be unsuccessful if it pursued a
    site-specific rule or adjusted standard for this
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    equipment as an alternative to add-on control.
    But even if an ad-on control system were installed, it
    would not necessarily eliminate all of the VOM emissions
    from compounding. However, under the strategy now
    proposed by 3M for its environmental management system
    agreement, 3M would provide reductions equal to 100
    percent of the VOM emissions from the compounding
    operations.
    Of equal or greater importance under 3M's
    environmental management systems strategy, 3M will be
    able to use the resources which it would have otherwise
    expended for such a control system to reduce VOM
    emissions elsewhere at the facility much more
    productively further controlling VOM emissions from the
    coating lines themselves which generate the overwhelming
    amount of the facility's emissions.
    3M will also be held accountable for its efforts
    during the term of the environmental management system
    agreement in reducing its overall VOM emissions with
    oversight by both the agency and a stakeholders group.
    In these circumstances, it is preferable to grant 3M a
    variance for its compounding equipment and allow 3M to
    pursue an environmental management system agreement. The
    agency cannot point to an established methodology for
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    further control of the compounding equipment such as
    applying afterburners to coating lines or use of low-VOM
    inks, which is in common usage as reflected in a control
    technique guideline document or other US EPA study.
    Given the magnitude of emission reductions now needed
    for attainment of the ozone air quality standard in the
    Chicago area, Illinois needs to ensure to the greatest
    extent practical that resources are applied to maximize
    the overall reduction that is achieved. The
    environmental management system agreement will allow 3M
    an opportunity to demonstrate what it can achieve in
    exchange for being freed from the constraint of
    conventional command and control rules for these
    compounding operations, which represent a small fraction
    of the facility's total emissions.
    Finally, if 3M is unsuccessful, control of the
    compounding equipment can always be revisited.
    That concludes my prepared remarks.
    MS. FEINEN: Do you have any questions for your
    witness?
    MS. KROACK: I have none.
    MS. FEINEN: Okay. Does the other side?
    MR. FORT: No.
    MS. FEINEN: Anything further?
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    MS. KROACK: Yes. We received a letter by fax
    yesterday and I received an original this morning from
    Lyons' supervisor Patrick Rogers, who is with us today.
    The letter is also signed by representative Eileen Lyons
    of the 47th District and Senator Christine -- I hope I
    pronounce this properly --
    Radogno, R-a-d-o-g-n-o, of the
    24th District supporting this variance, and I would like
    to introduce that into evidence at this time.
    MS. FEINEN: Would you like that to be a
    respondent's exhibit or a joint exhibit?
    MS. KROACK: Either way. Jeff?
    MR. FORT: I have just seen it this morning, but it
    can be however you would like to number it.
    MS. FEINEN: I will just mark it as a Respondent's
    Exhibit 1.
    (Respondent's Exhibit No. 1 marked for
    identification, 12-5-97.)
    MS. FEINEN: Is there anything further?
    MR. FORT: No.
    MS. FEINEN: I know the parties have -- and I don't
    know if this is on the record or not, but the parties
    have agreed to waive briefs, and as far as issues of
    credibility, I found both witnesses to be credible, so
    there is not a problem with that for the board.
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    Therefore, the record will be closed at the conclusion
    of this hearing, and the board will be able to begin its
    deliberation.
    Is there anything further anyone wants to add?
    MS. KROACK: I just want to make clear one last time
    that 3M and the agency have agreed that the question of
    whether the coating operation -- whether the compounding
    operation is part of the coating process, we have agreed
    that that issue does not need to be addressed as part of
    this variance, so we would like the board to not consider
    the argument for or against in reaching its
    deliberation. That's the basis under which we would
    waive posthearing briefs.
    MR. FORT: Yes.
    MS. FEINEN: And does either side have a closing
    statement?
    MS. KROACK: I do not.
    MS. FEINEN: Okay. Then this hearing is adjourned.
    Thank you all for coming.
    (Whereupon, the hearing was adjourned at
    10:40 a.m.)
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    STATE OF ILLINOIS )
    ) SS.
    COUNTY OF COOK )
    I, CARYL L. HARDY, a Certified Shorthand Reporter
    doing business in the County of Cook and State of
    Illinois, do hereby certify that I reported in machine
    shorthand the proceedings at the hearing of the
    above-entitled cause.
    I further certify that the foregoing is a true
    and correct transcript of said proceedings as appears
    from the stenographic notes so taken and transcribed by
    me.
    CSR No. 084-003896
    Subscribed to and sworn to
    before me this _____ day
    of ________________, 1997.
    ___________________________
    Notary Public
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