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ILLINOIS

POLLUTION

CONTROL

CLERK’S

OFF

DEC

2009

STATE

iWNOIS

Pollution

Control

Board

No.

R10—10

(Rulemaking-

Air)

REPORT

PROCEEDINGS

held

the

above—entitled

cause

before Hearing

Officer

Timothy

Fox,

called

by the Illinois

Pollution

Control

Board,

taken

before Laura

Mukahirn,

CSR,

a notary public

within and for

the

County

of Cook

and

State

Illinois,

at the

James R.

Thompson Center,

100

West

Randolph Street,

Chicago,

Illinois,

the

9th

day

of December

2009,

commencing

at the

hour of. 10:00

.m.

RE THE

MATTER OF:

REASONABLY

AVAILABLE

CONTROL

TECHNOLOGY

(RACT)

FOR

VOLATILE

ORGANIC

MATERIAL

EMISSIONS

FROM

GROUP

III

CONSUMER

& COMMERCIAL

PRODUCTS:

PROPOSED

AMENDMENTS

TO 35

Ill.

Adm.

Code

218 and 219

Page

APPEARANCES

MR.

TIMOTHY

FOX,

Hearing

Officer

MR.

THOMAS

JOHNSON,

Member

MR.

ANAND

RAO,

Member

MS.

ANDREA

MOORE,

Member

MS. CARRIE

ZALEWSKI,

Member

Appearing

behalf

the

Illinois

Pollution

Control

Board;

ILLINOIS

ENVIRONMENTAL

PROTECTION

AGENCY

1021 North

Grand

Avenue

East

P.O.

Box

19276

Springfield,

Illinois

62794—9276

Appearing

behalf

the

IEPA.

ALSO

PRESENT:

MR.

ROBERT

KALEEL

IEPA

Manager,

Air

Quality

Planning

Section,

Bureau

of Air

MR.

YOGINDER

MAHAJAN

IEPA

Environment

Protection

Engineer,

Bureau

of Air

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HEARING

OFFICER

FOX:

The time

10:00

a.m.

having

come

and

gone,

I want

wish

everyone

a good

morning

and

welcome

this

Illinois

Pollution

Control

Board

hearing.

name

Tim Fox,

and I

the

hearing

officer

for

this

rulemaking

proceeding

which

entitled

Reasonably

Available

Control

Technology,

R-A-C-T,

pronounced

RACT,

for

volatile

organic

material

emissions

from

Group

III consumer

and commercial

products,

proposed

amendments

35 Illinois

Administrative

Code 218

and

219.

I want

introduce

as also

present

from

the board

today,

immediate

left is

board

member

Andrea

Moore

who

the

lead

board

member

for this

rulemaking.

And

her left,

board

member

Carrie

Zalewski.

my far

right

board

member

Thomas

Johnson,

and

at my immediate right is

Anand

Rao

of the

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Division of

Air Pollution

Control, Bureau of

Air,

and Yoginder

Mahajan, Environmental

Protection Engineer,

Air Quality

Planning

Section,

Bureau of Air

the

Illinois EPA.

Mr.

Mahajan filed

prefiled testimony in

this

rulemaking

and is the Agency’s

main witness

for

purposes of this hearing.

Mr. Kaleel

did

not

file prefiled

testimony,

but

rather

simply

available

answer

questions should

the need

arise. At this

time, I’d like

move that Mr.

Mahajan’s prefiled testimony

entered into

the record

exhibit. And

following

that, we’re ready

for questioning.

HEARING OFFICER

FOX:

Very

good.

Miss

Vetterhoffer,

do you

have

copy

that

testimony?

MS.

VETTERHOFFER:

do.

HEARING OFFICER FOX:

can mark

that.

And there is

a gentleman who’s

just

arrived.

you by

any

chance have an

additional

copy that

you

might show

him?

MR. ARMSTRONG:

I actually

have

copy.

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good.

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be able

to comply with these

limitations

without adding on any

controlling captive

systems?

MR.

MAHAJAN:

When

the Agency looked

at the -— reviewed

it initially, and we

found

out that most

of the sources,

they’re already

complying

with the existing

regulations.

And

those who have

control, they already have

control

enough in the sense

they’re already

meeting

the average

90 percent control.

with this in mind, we

think there will

be no

additional

control,

they don’t

need

lot

of time

upgrade those

controls if they

have

to.

MEMBER

RAO:

Actually, my

question

was

more about,

you

know, is

12 months

too

much

time for coming into

compliance since

already

we are kind

of running behind on this

RACT

rules?

MR. KALEEL:

Why

not sooner, in

other

words?

MEMBER

RAQ:

Yeah.

MR. KALEEL:

I think

we anticipated

little more

participation on the part of

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coating

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MR.

MAHAJAN:

MEMBER RAO:

(g)

(2),

Subsection

(g)(2).

MR. MAHAJAN:

(g)

(2) is metal

furniture?

MEMBER

RAO:

Yes,

metal furniture

coating.

MR.

MAHAJAN: This

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solid

or liter

of solid applied.

MEMBER

RAO:

Yeah.

My question

was

you

have the unit

kg per liter

or pound

per gallon

of solid

supplied.

MR. MAHAJAN:

Yes.

MEMBER

RAO:

are we looking

at the

volume

on the —-

this

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the

volume

of solids?

MR. MAHAJAN:

Yes, volume

of solid,

right. Yes.

MEMBER

RAO:

Okay.

Because when

you

look

the paper coatings

when it

——

MR. MAHAJAN:

used to

volume

coating,

now

that they

changed

that in terms

VOM

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I noticed

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think

some

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written way

back

when it was

very common

to use

board

notes

instead of codifying

MEMBER

JOHNSON:

Explaining.

MEMBER

RAO:

And lately

I think

have

heard

from JCAR

about making

rules

and

board

notes which

are not really

codified

part

the

regulations.

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you’d

want

take

look

and

get

back

us.

MS.

VETTERHOFFER:

That would

be no

problem

making

it actually

part

the

ruling.

MEMBER RAO:

Okay.

Thank

you.

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last

question

concerns

the

coating

application

methods

proposed

under

Subsection

(g)

(3).

MEMBER

MOORE:

Where

were

you

now

again?

MEMBER

RAO:

Subsection

(g) (3),

Section 280.204(g)

(3) limits,

the

type

coating application

methods that

may

be used

for applying

metal

furniture

coatings,

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no comments

any

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interest

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MOORE:

It’s my understanding,

and

correct

me if

I’m wrong,

but generally

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is not their

client

base.

MR.

KALEEL:

I think

that’s

true.

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MOORE:

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Right.

Although

also

notified

the

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Industry

Council

and

they

notified

their members.

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our website for

at least

six weeks

draft before

submitting

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received

interest.

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JOHNSON:

Okay.

Well,

we’re

interested.

MEMBER

RAO:

We are

always.

MR.

KALEEL:

you have no

comments.

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OFFICER

FOX:

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good.

appear

have

no further

questions

from

the

board.

have

one

gentleman

in the

audience

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hate

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questions.

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JOHNSON:

You’re

here

for

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attorney

general?

MR.

ARMSTRONG:

am.

My name

Andrew

Armstrong.

I’m

an assistant

attorney

general,

and

I’m

just

strictly

observing

today.

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OFFICER

FOX:

monitor?

MR.

ARMSTRONG:

Yes.

Just for

my own

personal

interest

than

anything.

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FOX:

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good, very

good.

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we have

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just

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on the

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adjourning

for

today.

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seeing

nor hearing

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your testimony,

particularly,

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Mr.

Mahajan. We

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see

you

here in Chicago

January

6 of 2010,

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can

adjourn.

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you

all.

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STATE

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SS.

COUNTY OF

COOK

I, LAURA

MUKAHIRN,

being

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Shorthand Reporter

doing

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City of

Chicago,

Illinois,

County of

Cook, certify

that I

reported in

shorthand

the proceedings

had

at the.

foregoing

hearing

of the above-entitled

cause.

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I certify

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correct

transcript

of all

shorthand

notes

taken

aforesaid

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proceedings

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