ILLINOIS

POLLUTION

CONTROL

BOARD

PEOPLE

OF THE

STATE

ILLINOIS vs.

GENERAL

WASTE

SERVICES,

INC.

No.

PCB

07—45

(Enforcement-Air)

CL<

20719

Pollution

Control

ILLINOIS

Board

St.

Clair

County

Courthouse

Public

Square,

Room

402

Belleville,

Illinois

62220

Thursday,

October

29,

2009

1:30

p.m.

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FOR

THE

POLLUTION

CONTROL BOARD:

ILLINOIS

POLLUTION

CONTROL BOARD

1021

North

Grand

Avenue

East

P.O. Box 19274

Springfield,

Illinois

62794

By: Carol

Webb,

Hearing

Officer

(217)

524—8509

FOR THE

PEOPLE OF

THE

STATE

ILLINOIS:

OFFICE

THE

ATTORNEY

GENERAL

500 South

Second

Street

Springfield,

Illinois

62706

By:

Michael

Mankowski and

Raymond

Callery

(217)

782—1090

FOR

GENERAL

WASTE

SERVICES,

INC.:

FELDMAN,

WASSER,

DRAPER

& COX

1307

South

Seventh Street

P.O.

Box 2418

Springfield,

Illinois

62705

By:

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(217) 544—3403

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MR.

MANKOWSKI:

Mr.

Zappa,

could

you

please

state

and

spell

your

name

for

the

record.

Joseph,

J—O-S-E-P-H,

Zappa,

Z—A—P--P—A.

Mr.

Zappa,

where

are

you

currently

employed?

I am

currently

employed

with

the

Illinois

EPA.

Are

you

specific

bureau

with

the

Illinois

I’m

with

the

Bureau

of Land

Environmental

Specialist

III.

How

long

have

you

been

employed

the

Illinois

EPA?

June

1999.

And

you

maintain

and

update

resume

your

education

and

experience?

Yes.

MR.

MANKOWSKI:

Permission

approach

the

witness.

HEARING

OFFICER:

Yes.

(By

Mr.

Mankowski)

Mr.

Zappa,

I’m

showing

you

what

has

been

entered

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Exhibit

No.

1. Could

you

tell

what that

is?

Exhibit

No.

is my resume

education

and work

experience.

And

you

created

that

document?

Yes.

Now,

I’d

discuss

some

your employment

background

this

time.

Feel

free

use the

resume

you

need

recall

anything.

You

said

you’ve

been

with

the

Illinois

EPA since

1999?

Correct.

While

you

were

employed

with

the

agency,

have

you

always

been

with

the

Bureau

Land?

No.

I started

career

with

the

agency

in June

1999

with

the Bureau

Air

as an

Environmental

Associate.

And

Environmental

Associate,

what

were your

duties?

was

considered

an asbestos

inspector.

Prior

working

for

the

Illinois

EPA,

did

you

have

any

other

work

experience?

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Yes.

I worked

for the

Laborers

International

477

Springfield,

Illinois

Asbestos

Worker.

How

long did

you

——

were

you

Asbestos

Worker?

From November

‘95

to June

‘99.

What

did

you

do as

Asbestos

Worker?

We worked

-—

worked

for

contractors

out

of the

local

hall,

and

removed

asbestos

on various

amount

different

jobs.

Did

you

have

any

special

certification

or training

in order

asbestos

abatement

work?

Yes.

held

an asbestos

worker’s

license

during

that

time.

What

did

you

have

to do

to get

that

worker’s

license?

I had

take

a 40

hour

course

obtain

the asbestos

worker’s

license.

What did

that

hour class

entail?

Actually

the

40 hour

course

detail

goes

over

the

NESHAP

regulations,

all

the

IDPH

regarding

for

schools

and

commercial

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buildings,

and

also teaches

the proper

procedures

abating

——

proper

procedure

abating

asbestos.

When

did

you

first

take

that

class?

First took

that

test

November

‘95.

And

you

just

said

test.

Was

there

test

involved

with

that 40

hour

class?

There

is.

What

did

that

test

cover?

covered

all

of the

materials

that

you

learned

during

the 40

hour

work week.

Did

you

pass

that

test?

Yes,

I did.

Other

than

the 40

hour

class,

did

you

have

to take

any

other

training

while

you were

asbestos

worker?

continued

training

classes

as far

PPA and

proper

training

the proper

equipment,

training

equipment,

and that’s

about

all.

Were

there

any

other

formal

classes

that you

had

to take

during

that

time as

asbestos

worker?

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No.

Were

there

any

refresher

classes

anything

you

had

take?

Yearly

you

have

take

eight

hour

refresher

course

for

asbestos

worker’s

license.

Did you

take

that

every

year

you

were

asbestos

worker?

Yes.

Were

there

any

tests

involved

with

that

training?

Yes.

And

did you

pass

all

of those

tests?

Yes.

So you

were

-— you

said

you were

asbestos

worker

from ‘95

until

1999.

1999

when

you

started

working

with

the agency;

is that

correct?

Correct.

Did

you

have

take

any

certification or

training

once

you

began

working

with

the

Illinois

EPA?

The requirement

to get

the

job

classification

was to

obtain

to obtain

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get

the asbestos

supervisor’s

license?

First,

there’s

2,000

hour

requirement

to obtain

that

license,

and

then

you

have to

take

a course,

a basic

course,

just

the

asbestos

worker’s

course

and

then be

tested

for

it, also.

Were

there

any

refresher

courses

to the

supervisor

license?

Every

year.

You

said

there

was

2,000

hour

requirement.

What

was

that?

That’s

hours

that’s

-— that

you

need

have

the

field

for knowledge

the

asbestos

field

itself.

Besides

the formal

classes

that

you

took,

did

you have

any

kind

of on

the job

training?

Yes.

Mr.

Alan

Grirnmit

(phonetic),

who is

Environmental

Associate

with

the

Illinois

Environmental

Protection

Agency,

gave

two

week

training

course

the

field

on the

job

training.

And

what did

that

two

week

course

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cover?

actually

took

the

field,

and

actually

did

compliance

inspections.

followed

up with

the

actual

reports,

the

actual

taking

samples,

actually

taking

photographs,

and

following

with

the

compliance

office.

Now,

after

you

took

that

training,

what

were

your

duties

and

responsibilities

inspector

with

the

Illinois

EPA

Bureau

Air?

job

was

I was

the

Des

Plains

area

——

actually,

I was

the

Maywood

area

when

first

went

Chicago.

I was

responsible

for

the

whole

district,

whole

Cook

County

and

Lake

County

and

Kaskaskia

County.

But

what

did

you do

inspector

that

area?

inspector

that

area

I went

out

commercial

buildings,

I went

anything

that

fit

the

NESHAP

requirements.

NESHAP

stands

for

National

Emission

Standards

for

Hazardous

Air

Pollutions.

And

what

did

you

those

sites?

Usually

protocol

for

going

inspection

was

—-

usually

how

found

out

about

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lot

jobs

was

usually

two

tier.

Either

off of

——

excuse

—-

off of

complaint

that

was

called

into

the

agency

notification

which

required

for

demolition

renovation.

Why

did

the

Bureau

Air

conduct

inspections

asbestos

projects?

They

conducted

these

inspections

find

out

companies

who

were

removing

the

asbestos

were

compliance

the

NESHAP

regulations.

While

you

were

a Bureau

Air

Inspector,

about

how

many

inspections

did

you

conduct

year?

About

120

a year.

Were

there

any

did

the

Bureau

Air

itself

put

any

restrictions

how

many

you

needed

year?

They

requested

that

did

ten

month.

Just

reiterate,

what

kind

projects

did

you

inspect

while

you

were

a Bureau

Air

Inspector?

Mostly

commercial

buildings.

Commercial

buildings

apartment

complexes

that

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were

considered

four

units.

And

understand

those

are

the

kinds

buildings

that

you

inspected.

What

kind

projects

those

buildings

did

you

inspect?

I’ve

done

inspections

from

variations

of basic

tile

removal,

12—by—12

tile

——

9-by—9 tile

removal,

12-by-12

tile

removal

spray—on

acoustical

ceilings.

You

used

the

term

earlier

renovation,

that

a type

project?

Yes,

is.

Were

there

any

other

name

type

projects

that

you

would

inspect?

Demolitions.

So was

that

it,

demolitions

and

renovations?

Correct.

Now,

because

this

case

focussed

around

renovation,

would

ask

you

some

questions

about

asbestos

renovation

projects.

Correct.

You

talked

about

earlier

the

NESHAP.

How

does

the

NESHAP

apply

renovation

projects?

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Upon

—-

before

a NESHAP

job,

requirement

have

the

building

inspected

prior

the

renovation.

Then

also

there

a notice

requirement,

also,

a 10—day

notice

requirement

the

company

the

agency.

there

need

for

notice

for

all

renovation

projects?

No.

What

renovation

projects

require

notification?

Ones

that

require

280

linear

160

square

foot.

then

that’s

square

foot

what?

Usually

——

basically

floor

tile

anything

that

may

nonfriable.

there

any

specific

name

for

that

material

that

you’re

referring

to?

The

nonfriable

nonregulated

material.

What

does

friable

mean?

Friable

is anything

that’s

pulverized

or that

could

crushed

hand

pressure.

And

this

asbestos

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containing material?

This

regulated

asbestos

containing

material,

yes.

You

just

used

the

term

regulated

asbestos containing

material?

Yes.

What

does

that

mean?

That

material

that

usually

friable

material

that

has

notified

the

companies

prior

to a

renovation

demolition.

there

limit

for

how

much

asbestos

that

material?

has

to be

greater

than

percent.

And

why

friable

material

regulated

versus

nonfriable?

It’s

cancer

causing,

causing

cancers.

Getting

back

to your

actual

inspections,

how

would

you

conduct

an inspection?

Could

you

walk

through

the typical

procedure

for

inspection.

Yes.

would

usually

arrive

site.

Sometimes

would

find

supervisor

who

was

the

site

and

let

them

know

who

am.

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Yes.

I was trying

for the Board’s

edification

through

what a

regular

inspection is. I can

go straight to the

inspection at hand.

HEARING OPPICER:

Well,

you

can

finish if you’re almost

done, but yeah, I’d

to get to the actual

case at hand.

(By Mr. Mankowski)

Mr. Zappa, we

were going

through what

you

normally

do at an

inspection. I

guess what are

you

normally

looking

for when

you

would inspect

an asbestos project?

Dry removal

or any type of

regulation that is being

not in compliance.

So you’re looking for

noncompliance?

Correct.

You just

said dry removal, what

dry removal?

Dry removal

is the removal of

asbestos without adequately

wetting material.

What does adequately

wet mean?

Adequately wetting

a material is

bringing -— adequately wetting

a material

wetting

material

that is penetrating

a material

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lost

mind.

Adequately

wetting

material

that

penetrating

waters

some

other

substrate

show

that

the

material

isn’t

releasing

fibers.

that

requirement

the

NESHAP?

Yes.

Why

does

the

NESHAP

require

that

asbestos

containing

material is

kept

wet?

When

it’s

adequately

wet,

keeps

the

fibers

from

releasing into

the

environment.

After

you

complete

inspection,

was

there

anything

that

you

generate

after

that

memorialize

the

inspection?

report.

Did

you

do a

report

for

every

inspection?

Yes.

Was

this

Bureau

Air

policy

create

inspection report?

Yes.

Okay.

I think

can

move

forward

the

matter

hand

today,

you

know,

the

reason

why

we’re

here.

Mr.

Zappa,

are

you

familiar

with

the

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State’s

complaint

against

General

Waste

Services,

Incorporated?

Yes.

you’re

familiar

with

General

Waste

Services,

Incorporated?

Yes.

How

are

you

familiar

with

General

Waste

Services?

first

just

seeing

name

notifications

contractor

for

removing

asbestos

containing

materials.

And

the

State’s

case

that

we’re

here

today,

how

did

you

come

contact

with

General

Waste

Services?

was

through

the

notification

process

that

had

seen

the

job

actually

for

3701

Memorial

Drive

and

that

the

contractor

was

General

Waste.

that

notification

came

your

office?

Correct.

I’m

going

hand

you

MR.

MANKQWSKI:

Permission

approach

the

witness.

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Company

HEARING

OFFICER:

(Nods)

(By

Mr.

Mankowski)

I’m

going

hand

you

what

has

been

marked

what

has

been

entered

People’s

Exhibit

No.

What

People’s

Exhibit

No.

This

the

notification

renovation

demolition.

And

what

that

notification

for?

This

——

first

all,

gives

you

different

types

notification

which

either

original

revised

cancelled.

also

gives

the

facility

description.

tells

you

exactly

how

much

asbestos

being

removed,

and

gives

the

asbestos

contractor

name.

Also,

this

case,

was

the

owner

the

building’s

name.

Who’s

named

that

notification?

General

Waste

Services,

Incorporated.

What

project

was

that

notification

submitted

for?

3701

Memorial

Drive,

Belleville,

St.

Clair,

Illinois.

Did

that

notification

state

how

much

regulated

asbestos

containing

material

was

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be removed

during

that

project?

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was

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square

foot.

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the

notification

that

you

saw

before

you

went

the

site?

Yes.

When

did

you

observe

the

project

3701

Memorial

Drive?

That

was

August

4th.

And

what

year

was

that?

That

was

2005.

And

what

time

did

you

arrive

site?

9:30

ten

o’clock.

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going

hand

you

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has

been

entered

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People’s

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No.

The

asbestos

report

or known

memorandum.

Did

you

generate

that

report?

Yes,

sir.

Is that

report

to the

renovation

project

3701

Memorial

Drive?

Correct.

When

you

arrived

the

site

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August

4th,

2005,

what did

you

do?

Got

out of

the vehicle.

Went

the

west

side

of the

building

3701

West

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Memorial

Drive.

I saw

Mr.

Calvin

Johnson

exiting

building.

Then

displayed

told

him

who I

was,

told

him what

was

there

for.

I entered

the

building.

Put

on my

PPE.

What’s

the

PPE?

Protective

equipment,

Personal

Protective

Equipment.

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clarify

the

record,

who

Calvin

Johnson?

Calvin

Johnson

was

the

supervisor

the

job site

that

day.

When

you spoke

with

Calvin

Johnson,

did

say anything

to you

when

you

fist met

him

at the

site?

He granted

permission

to go

inside

and then

-- no,

not

that time.

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you

spoke with

Mr.

Johnson,

you

put

on your

protective

gear?

Yes.

And

then

what

did

you do

next?

entered

into

the

contained

area.

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maybe

to clarify

the

record,

what

kind

building

3701

Memorial

Drive?

rectangular

building

with

two

floors

with

approximately

10,000

square

foot,

5,000

on each

floor.

Rooms

the

west

and

to the

east

with

hallway

on the

second

floor

with

exit

the

north

the

building.

And

this

was

an apartment

building?

Yes.

Where

did

you

enter

the

building?

There

was

entrance

the

west

side

of the

building.

And

what

kind

of room

did

you

enter

when

you

entered

the building?

Right

inside

——

immediately

inside

the

building

the

clean

room,

shower

and

then

equipment

room.

Okay.

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could

you

clarify

what

clean

room

is?

clean

room

where

asbestos

worker

would

take

off

his

street

clothes

and

put

his

Personal

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enter

into

the

containment.

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said

the

room

was

shower

room?

Shower

room.

What

shower

room?

Basically

just

little

3—by—3

little

shower

that

separates

the

clean

room

and

equipment

room.

And

what’s

the

purpose

the

shower?

able

decontaminate

the

way

out

the

containment.

Did

you observe

anything

about

the

shower

room

that

day?

The

shower

was

dry.

Did

you use

the

shower

that

day?

No.

from

the

shower

you

went

the

what

did

you

call

the

room

after

the

shower?

Equipment

room.

What’s

the

equipment

room?

Equipment

room

usually

where

they

would

store

their

equipment,

some

their

equipment,

the

day

over.

the

end

of the

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that

they

enter

and

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their

personal

equipment

before

they

enter

into

the

shower.

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you

said

you

entered

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containment.

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kind

containment

was

present

3701

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Drive

August

4th,

2005?

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had

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whole

two

floors,

two

story

building,

contained

plastic

sheeting.

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was

that

sheeting

attached?

the

floors,

the

walls

and

around

any

critical

points

around

windows

electrical

outlets

anything

that.

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usually

attached

either

glues

staples.

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the

purpose

that

plastic

sheeting?

keep

the

emissions

from

entering

the

environment

the

outside.

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there

any

other

parts

the

containment

used

other

than

just

the

plastic

sheeting?

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please.

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than

the

plastic

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were

there

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you

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them

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area

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needed

get

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this

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the

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the

results

their

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for

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is a

form

asbestos.

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how

many

samples

the

ceiling

plaster

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they

take?

Seven.

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what

were

the

results

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samples

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they

tested?

20 to

percent.

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all

seven?

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all

seven

samples

the

ceiling

plaster

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all

came

positive

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containing

asbestos?

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you

sample

any

the

ceiling

material?

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did.

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many

samples

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you

take?

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samples.

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you

take

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samples?

took

one

sample

second

floor

hallway,

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southwest

room

the

first

floor,

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sample

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one

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area

where

drums

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stored

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material

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did

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memorialize

your

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that

day?

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you

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any

pictures?

took

photographs,

about

photos,

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was

inside

the

containment,

samples

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then

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week

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report.

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you

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what

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group

exhibit

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photographs.

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No.

Photographs

that

had

taken

while

was

inside

the

containment

the

first

and

second

floor.

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those

photos

fairly

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the site

as you saw it

that

day?

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marked

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back for

everybody’s

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can follow

along.

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depicted

Exhibit 4

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Exhibit

4a?

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the

southwest

room

of where

they had

torn down

the ceiling

with

the sprayed

acoustical

material.

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that

its —— in

its

stage

after

it’s been

torn down

and

several

different

sizes

and pieces

and in

dry

condition

with no

moisture

anywhere

to be seen.

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professional

opinion,

that

the proper

way to remove

ceiling

that

has

spray—on

acoustical

material

on it?

No.

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have removed

this

prior

removing

this ceiling

down with

water

and they

should

have

kept

the material

wet

prior

and to disposal

it in

these

gallon drums,

leak tight

containers.

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to actually

describe

the

picture

itself,

what’s in

the --

the

front

the picture?

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describe the

picture within

itself

to what

we’re looking

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of the

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when

the

dumpster

arrived.

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condition

was

this

ceiling

material

when

you

took

this

picture?

Dry,

friable

material.

there

any

evidence

water

moisture

this

picture?

None.

Then

direct

your

attention

the

picture

order,

it’s

4f.

Where

was

picture

4f taken?

The

southwest

room.

What’s

depicted

4f?

This

just

small

various

pieces

the

material

that

had been

torn

from

the

ceiling,

torn

down

from

the

ceiling,

with

the

insulation

that’s

behind

also

top

the

containment

that

in this

room,

plastic

sheeting.

What

condition

the

ceiling

material

this

photo?

This

material

is in

friable,

dry

condition.

there

anywhere

this

picture

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that’s

-- that

you can point

to within

the picture

show

where

it’s friable?

Yes.

All of

the

dust

on the plastic

sheeting

itself

and all of

the small

pieces that

could

be pulverized

by hand

pressure.

Is there

any

evidence

water or

moisture

this picture?

None.

How

would this

picture

be different

if it had been

wet?

The backing

course

on the

dry

wall

there in the

picture

would

have

also changed

color,

and on the

plastic sheeting

there would

have been

moisture leaflets

droplets -—

moisture

droplets.

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going to

direct

your

attention

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4i. What

depicted

Photograph

4i?

This is again

more material

that

has

been torn

down

from

the ceiling

a contained

area.

And which

area

the building

was

this

taken in?

Southwest

area.

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second

floor?

This

would

the

first

floor.

And

once

again,

there

any

evidence

water

moisture

this

picture?

None

whatsoever.

I’d

move

4g.

Oh,

that

4g.

Sorry,

would

41.

Sorry

about

that.

Okay.

What’s

depicted

Photograph

41?

This

the

ceiling

which

they

would

have

torn

the

ceiling

down

from

the

rafters.

You

can

still

see

little

pieces

hanging

from

the

rafters

where

they’ve

missed

that

they

hadn’t

gone

back

and

cleaned

yet

inside

the

containment.

What’s

that

between

the

rafters?

That

insulation.

And

which

room

was

this

picture

taken

in?

Southwest

room

the

first

floor.

there

any

evidence

water

moisture

present

this

picture?

None.

the

material

had

been

adequately

wet,

what

should

this

picture

look

like?

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once

again,

how

you

know

that

this

material

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Just

the

evidence

the

white

color

the

spray—on

acoustical

material,

and

plus

the

insulation

still

the

original

state

color.

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any

evidence

water

moisture

this

picture?

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not.

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state

you

saw this

material

the

day

you

took

the

picture?

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IMMEL:

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Yep.

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IMMEL:

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me,

can

get

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MR.

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on that

one,

right?

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Yes.

MR.

IMMEL:

that

the one

we’re

looking

at,

Mike,

4u?

MR. MANKOWSKI:

Yeah, with

the pry

bar.

Sorry

about

that.

writing

not

perfect.

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What’s

depicted

4u?

This

the

pry

bar

top

the

material

that

they

had torn

down from

the

ceiling.

This

would

the tool

that

they

would

use

to help

tear

down

the

ceiling

with.

Where

was

this

picture

taken?

This

was taken

in the

hallway

the

second

floor.

Can

you

describe

the

picture,

what

exactly

is in

this

picture,

where

was

taken

the second

floor?

Yes.

This

actually

in one

the

entrances

the rooms

the left

and

the

hallway

would

have

been

the

right

the

area where

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were

removing

the

material.

What’s

directly

above

the

pry bar?

Directly

above

the

pry

bar

is --

Is that

a wall?

That’s

wall,

yes.

And

what’s

underneath

the pry

bar

and

the

ceiling

material?

That

is a

piece

of plastic

material.

Is there

anything

else

present

the

picture?

Yes,

there

is.

What

else

present?

Droplets

of water.

Where

did

that water

come

from?

This

was the

water

that

was

sprayed

while

I was

noticed

or observed

the

hallway

watching

the

laborers

tear

down

the

ceiling.

That

water

being

present

on the

plastic

sheet,

the ceiling

material

around

that

water,

that

adequately

wet?

No.

The

material

itself

are

you

talking

about?

Yes.

The ceiling

material

itself.

No,

it’s

not.

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How

you

know

that

material

not

adequately

wet?

eye

it’s

dry

touch.

By eye

it’s

dry.

It’s

crumbly.

The

material

around

crumbly

and

it’s

still

bright

white.

Even

though

there’s

water

present,

that

material

not

adequately

wet?

Right.

move

-—

sorry

4y.

What

depicted

4y?

These

are

the

gallon

drums

that

are

storing

the

alleged

spray-on

acoustical

ceiling.

Where

were

those

drums

located?

This

was

located

the

west

the

building

right

outside

the

containment

and

the

north

the

southwest

room.

Those

are

the

drums

that

you

referred

your

——

the

rest

your

testimony?

Yes.

Move

the

picture,

it’s

4z.

What

shown

4z?

This

the

sprayed-on

acoustical

ceiling

that

they

have

removed

from

the

ceiling

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inside

an asbestos

bag.

Where

was

that

bag

located?

Inside

one

of the

gallon

drums

the

holding

area.

What’s

the

condition

that

ceiling

material?

It’s

dry.

there

any

evidence

moisture

water

that

picture?

None.

Call

your

attention

the

exhibit,

it’s

4aa.

What’s

depicted

4aa?

It’s

bit

fuzzy.

This

out

one

the

gallon

drums.

This

was

my third

sample

that

was

taken

out of

the

gallon

drum

that

tested

positive

for

asbestos containing

material.

that

the

same

drum

that

was

depicted

Exhibit

4z?

Correct.

That’s

the

same

material?

Yes.

That

material,

there’s

——

there’s

water

moisture

present

either?

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a couple

more.

I think

picture

in line

which

Exhibit

4b.

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IMMEL:

I’m

sorry,

4d?

MR.

MANKOWSKI:

4bb.

MR. IMMEL:

in boy?

MR.

MANKOWSKI:

Yeah,

B as

boy.

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Mr. Mankowski)

What’s

the

proper

orientation

for this

photo?

This

would

have

been card

board

placed

over

a stairwell.

first

didn’t

realize

what

they

had

used the

card

board

for,

but

enabled

them

get the

gallon

drums

down

from

the

second

floor

onto

the first

floor

little

easier.

The orientation

of the

picture,

should

profile

or landscape?

Explain

a little.

Profile

meaning

and down.

Are

looking

up the

stairs

this picture?

No.

That would

be up

and down.

Profile

would

up and

down?

Profile.

That’s

the

orientation

that

you

took

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picture

in?

Correct.

that’s

looking

going

the

stairs?

Correct.

there

any

moisture

this

card

board?

Completely

none.

Card

board

normally

absorbs

water?

Correct.

And

what’s

the

white

powder

that’s

all

over

the

stairs?

This

would

have

been

powder

that

was

torn

down

with

the

ceiling

when

they

brought

down

the

ceiling.

that

powder

there

any

moisture

present

that

powder?

None.

The

picture

I’d

direct

everyone’s

attention

4dd.

David.

Once

again,

Mr.

Zappa,

what’s

the

correct

orientation

for

this

picture?

Profile.

And

what’s

depicted

Exhibit

4dd?

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were

gallon

drums

that

were

the

hallway

the

second

floor

with

the

dry

asbestos

containing

material

it.

And

was

wetted

down

the

laborers

when

was

observed.

there

water

present

this

picture?

There

moisture

these

bags.

Could

you

describe

what

that

looks

the

picture?

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IMMEL:

Excuse

me.

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Mr.

Mankowski)

Could

you

describe

what

the

moisture

looks

this

particular

picture?

beads,

beads

moisture.

the

plastic?

the

plastic.

The

material

inside

these

containers,

that

adequately

wet?

No.

there

water

present

though?

There

water

present.

But

that’s

not

adequately

wet?

No.

Once

again,

how

you

know

that

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isn’t

adequately

wet?

observed

them

this

bringing

down

the

ceiling in

the

hall

in a

dry

state,

and I

watched

one

of the

laborers

filling

the

barrels

with

the material

off

the

floor

while

was

still

dry

condition.

this

particular

picture

how do

you

know

looking

this

picture

that

this

material

isn’t

adequately

wet?

The

bright

white

on the

acoustical

spray-on

and

the

backing

the

dry

wall

is still

bright

tan.

I’d

move

4ee.

It’s

the

picture

line.

Does

this

picture

back

the

landscape

view

Yes.

What’s

depicted

this

picture?

This

is again

just

the

ceiling

that

has

been

torn

down

that

has

spray—on

acoustical material

that

has

been

left

the

floor

for

them

gather

dispose

later

time

a contained

area.

you

know

which

area

the

building

this

was

taken

in?

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the

first floor.

Is there

any

evidence

of moisture

that

material?

Absolutely

not.

That’s

how it

looked

the day

that

you

took

the picture?

Correct.

After

going

through

the

pictures

and

your testimony,

what

was the

proper

way

to remove

this

ceiling

material?

The

proper

way

to remove

the

material

taught

the

training

required

for

asbestos

containing

workers

remove

the

material

—- while

removing

the

material,

wet

the

material,

wet

the

material

while

removing

material

and keep

the

material

wet

upon disposal.

How

wet

does it

have

be?

least enough

where

it’s

moist

enough

to touch

that

you

can feel

the

moisture

the material.

Is there

any

problem

with

the

acoustic

spray—on

material,

there

any problem

with

wetting

that

material?

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case.

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permission

not

wet?

No,

sir.

there

any

other

reasons why

they

wouldn’t

wet?

Not

that

can

think

right

now,

sir.

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When

you

were

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second

floor

and

saw

the

employees

removing

material,

was

Mr.

Johnson

present

that

time?

No.

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Mr.

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present

when

you

were

in the

building

all?

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just

clear

the

record

bit.

back

the

Farmer

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which

was

marked

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No.

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spoke

little bit

about

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area.

What

homogeneous

area?

Homogeneous

area

would

have

been

the

textured

ceiling

plaster

throughout

which

was

removed

from

the

ceiling.

Just

general,

not

talking

about

the

ceiling,

what

homogeneous

area?

would

for

instance

whole

area

of the

same

type

material.

How

many

homogeneous

areas

ceiling

material

did

Farmer

find

present

this

site?

the

same

type

homogeneous

area?

Correct.

And

the

whole

ceiling

was

considered

asbestos

containing?

Correct.

Also,

just

clear,

when

was

that

report

— — when

was

that

done?

The

report

was

done

Nay

11,

2005.

One.

What

does

that

mean?

There

was

all

of the

same

—-

all

asbestos

which

Chrysotile.

the

whole

ceiling

was

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you

were

at the

site on

August

4th,

2005?

Correct.

you

know

when

General

Waste

began

removing

the

ceiling

material

at the

site?

August

1st,

believe.

Was

that

the

day

that

they

started

removing

——

That

was

the

day

that

they

arrived

on site

and started

building

the

containment.

believe

they

started

the

actual

removal

August

2nd

or August

3rd

even

maybe.

you

think

was

the

2nd

or the

3rd?

The

3rd.

that was

the

day

before

you

arrived

the

site?

Correct.

How

much

the

ceiling

material

was

remaining

to be

removed

when

you

got

to the

site

9:30

on August

4th?

Maybe

a quarter

the

material

left.

Okay.

That was

out

of?

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square

foot

just

of the

ceiling

material.

They

probably

had

other

nonfriable

materials

that

they

had

remove.

MR.

MANKOWSKI:

No further

questions,

Madam

Hearing

Officer.

HEARING

OFFICER:

Thank

you.

Mr.

Immel.

MR.

IMMEL:

have

a number

questions.

I was

wondering

could take

break.

HEARING

OFFICER:

Yeah.

Okay.

We’ll

take

five

minute

break.

(Wherein,

short

break

was

taken.)

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OFFICER:

Mr. Zappa,

will

remind

you

that

you are

still

under

oath.

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WITNESS:

Correct.

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BY MR.

IMMEL:

Mr.

Zappa,

I got

couple

things

want

through.

want

through

first

some

the

testimony

you

just offered.

With

respect

to the

training

you

received

way

back

when

you

started

this

work,

you

indicated

you’d

been

through

40—hour

training

course

and then

some

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Then

you

got

supervisors

license

later

that

probably

required

another

test,

correct?

Correct.

And

there

was

some

training

for

that,

too?

Correct.

These

various

trainings,

the

term

adequately

wet

came

those

trainings?

Yes.

You

were

given

understand

heard

your

testimony

correctly

that

adequately

wet,

that

term

meant

that

water

had

penetrated

the

material

sufficient

show

that

the

material

was

not

releasing

fiber.

wrote

that

down

you

were

speaking.

Did

get

that

right?

wouldn’t

release

fibers,

yes.

that

wouldn’t

release

fiber

when?

Asbestos

fibers

during

the

removal

the asbestos

containing

material

and

also

instructed

the

training

keep

the

wet

material

the material

wet while

putting

into

containers,

also,

prior

disposal.

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his

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sampling

machine

during

the

time

arrival.

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there

was

report

August

and

August

that right?

Correct.

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those were

all

shown

below

required

standards;

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that

right?

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sir.

the

air

sampling

that we

have

from

the

day

before when

the

material

was

being

removed

which

was

placed

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which

you

felt

was

inadequately

wetted

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the

day

after

your

visit, both

those

dates

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air

sampling

that

reflected

the

presence

released

fibers

the

air;

isn’t

that

right?

Correct.

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you

indicated

there

were

two

ways

that

you

might

provoked

let’s

say

called upon

site

inspect

it.

One

would

complaint

from

citizen

somebody

the

agency?

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Company

Yes.

The

other

would

response

just

receiving

notification

that

there

was

job,

right?

Yes,

sir.

And

this

instance

there

was

complaint

that

brought

you

there,

right?

No,

sir.

was

only

the

notification?

Yes,

sir.

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indicated

when

you

arrived

that

you

were

—-

you

put

two

layers

protective

clothing?

Correct.

And

think

another

part

your

testimony

you

indicated

that

you

had

reason

for

using

two

layers.

sounded

was

for

your

own

ease

movement

and

convenience.

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you

describe

why

you

wore

two

layers

protective

clothing?

case

there’s

water

present,

and

plus

sometimes

may

buildings

that

does

not

give

the

allowance

having

clean

room,

equipment

room

and

shower.

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Company

Okay.

You

indicated that

you put

your

clothing

and

you

went

through

the

shower

enter

the

building; is

that

right?

Correct.

And

the

shower

was you

said

was

dry,

did you

mean

the

floor

was

dry?

The

floor

was

dry.

That

would

indicate

that

nobody

had

taken

shower?

Correct.

Did

you

stop

and

check

whether

there

was

water

supply

that

shower?

No,

sir.

attempt

turn

No,

sir.

(continuing)

see if

would

work?

You

just

didn’t know

that

point

whether

the

shower

was

functioning?

Correct.

Did

you

assume

that

wasn’t?

No.

But

when

you

left

you

didn’t

use

the

shower?

No.

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there a

regulatory

requirement

concerning

the

workers

about

use of

the shower?

There

is an

OSI-IA

requirement,

yes.

So that

the

people

in the

containment

are

to ——

when

leaving

are

to remove

their

protective

clothing,

place

the

dirty

room

shall

we say?

Yes.

In the

bag

that was

provided?

Yes.

And

then

go through

the shower,

shower

and then

leave?

Yes.

You

did

not do

that?

used -—

I did

take one

layer

clothing

off

and

left

behind

in the

equipment

room

and

left my

second

outer

layer

inner

layer

equipment

the clean

room

before

exited

the

building.

But

you

didn’t

shower

rinse

off

that

clothing,

you just

went

out

and took

the

second

layer

off?

the room,

yes.

the clean

room?

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the

clean

room.

And

did

not

utilize

the

shower

any

way,

didn’t

turn

on,

didn’t

shower?

didn’t

think

that

no.

your

second

layer

that

you

kept

was

exposed

the

environment

the

dirty

room

before

you

went

through

the

shower?

That

would

have

been

correct.

Okay.

Now,

you

indicated

that

the

—- there

were

how

many

negative

air

machines

serving

the

building?

Two

each

floor.

Could

you

be wrong

about

that?

Yes.

Why

do you

say

that?

just

briefly

read

that

from

report

and

could

wrong.

Could

that

there

had

been

fact

eight

machines,

four

per

floor?

It’s

possible,

yes.

the

course

of inspecting

the

building

you

were

looking

the quality

and

configuration

the

containment

to make

sure

that

was

there

and

that

was

proper,

yes?

Keefe

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Yes.

Because

working

poorly

constructed

inadequate

containment

would

also

regulatory

violation;

isn’t

that

right?

Repeat

yourself,

sir.

For

this

work

proceed

a poor

quality or inadequate

containment

would

also

regulatory violation?

(No

response)

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back

and

make

easier

for

you.

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IMMEL:

Strike

that

last

question.

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Mr.

Imme].)

a containment

required

regulation?

Yes.

With

regulated

asbestos

containing material

great

than

yeah.

For

asbestos

abatement

job

which

this

was

being

treated

Yes.

(continuing)

containment

required

regulation?

Correct.

The

containment

must

meet

certain

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standards

to meet

the

regulatory

requirements;

isn’t

that

right?

Yes.

And

in the

event

that

the

standards

had

not

been

met

for

the

construction

this

containment,

that

would

——

and

these

men

were

working

anyway,

that

would

have

been

violation

regulations,

yes?

According

the

NESHAP,

don’t

believe

that

NESHAP

regulation.

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containment

is no

good

there’s

none

all

and

the

men

are

working,

that’s

not

violation

regulations?

don’t

recall,

sir

-—

I mean,

know

a containment

required,

but

I don’t

believe

NESHAP

regulations.

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required

by?

believe

that’s

under

IDPH

OSHA

regulations,

one

of the

two.

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negative

air

machines,

are

they

required

to be

there?

For

yes.

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regulations?

No.

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things

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than

abstract

questions

about

the

rules.

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WITNESS:

Correct.

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OFFICER:

Where

derived

his

direct

testimony

from.

Something

—-

(By

Mr.

Inimel)

When

you

said

the

containment

was

good

containment,

what

did

you

mean

that?

That

was

intact,

there

was

visible

holes.

had

——

the

containment

itself,

the

plastic

from

the

walls

was

leaning

telling

was

getting

good

draw

from

the

negative

air

machine.

Okay.

you

had

observed

big

holes

plastic

the

containment

and

plastic

flapping

and

hither

and

yon

and

the

ability

get

a clear

view

the

outside

world

through

big,

gaping

holes

the

building,

would

you

have

deemed

that

violation

the

regulations

that

you

administered?

That

would

have

been

the

NESHAP

regulation,

exposing

the

environment

the

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air.

Okay.

good

containment

required

avoid

violating

9A?

Correct.

Okay.

that

within

the

area

that

you

would

pay

attention

to?

Yes.

The

quality

the

containment?

Yes.

And

inspector,

would

you

have

recommended

that

they

cease

working

had

there

been

that

kind

condition

when

you

arrived

there

the

4th?

Not

necessarily

ceased

work.

depended

how

bad

the

containment was.

some

situations

they

could

just

patch

very

quickly,

you

know,

certain

times.

But

fix

it,

right?

Fix

it.

You

wouldn’t

want

them

removing

asbestos

with

big,

gaping

holes

the

containment,

would

you?

Correct.

the

course

looking

this

job

Keefe

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and

looking

at the containment,

you noted

the

presence of the

negative

air machines?

Yes.

But at this

point in

time you

can’t

remember

exactly

how many

there were?

I never

inspected

the

negative

air

machines

themselves,

no.

These

negative air

machines

are

connected to the

containment

through

apertures

that permit

them

to work

and those have

to be

sealed up

that

there’s

nice tight

seal much

you stick

a vacuum

hose in

a vacuum cleaner,

right?

Not the

machines

themselves,

just

the

tubing.

Yeah.

Where

it exits.

It’s

sealed

by duct

tape and

stuff like

that so it

won’t let

the

air

out.

Did

you

look

at the

apertures

see

that that

was the

case?

No.

Because

why?

That

wasn’t my

concern

at the time.

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concern

the

time

was

from

first

inspection

seeing

the

type

material

that

was

the

ground

and

other

concern

was

how

they

was

removing

that

type

material.

Okay.

You

said

from

your

first

inspection.

Are

you

saying

you’ve

been

there

than

once?

No.

I’m

talking

about

the

first

time

saw

that

material

that

southwest

room

from

Exhibit

4a.

The

photograph?

seeing

that

type

material

right

there

Photograph

4a,

that

put

up in

hurried

mode

because

I wanted

get

upstairs

check

out

how

they

were

removing

physically.

Speaking

hurry

up,

how

long

were

you

the

building?

Approximately

half

hour,

minutes.

Now,

you

were

mentioning

Exhibit

Oh,

good,

you

still

have

that

front

you.

Let

call

your

attention

I might

I want

get

the

right

photo.

4s,

which

the

one

that’s

got

picture

plastic

bag on

top

some

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material

with

some

sample

bag,

think.

Correct.

You

got

front

you?

Yes.

There’s

plastic

bag

depicted

clearly in

there

and

got

some

writing

it.

Would

that

I think

see

would

your

initials?

Correct.

And

then

the

date

August

‘05.

Then

there’s

‘01?

Correct.

That

would

be,

what,

Sample

No.

Correct.

Okay.

This

would

Sample

correct?

Correct.

And

just jumping

ahead

for

moment.

was

Sample

No.

that

came from

the

drum

material and

Samples

No.

1 and

which

were

taken

—-

I’m

sorry,

let’s

back

up.

Sample

No.

was

taken

from

the

drum

material

the

load

out

room,

and

the

other,

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and

were

taken

elsewhere

in the

building

in the

active

work

area,

correct?

Correct.

Where

was

Sample

No.

collected?

This

from

material

the

floor

the

southwest

room.

Southwest

room,

that’s

where

you

walked

in initially?

The

first

room,

yes.

The

first

actual

apartment

room.

There’s

material

inside

the

bag?

Correct.

How

did

get

there?

me sampling

placing

plastic

gloves

and

taking

piece

hand

and

placing

into

the

plastic

bag

and

sealing

it.

And

placing

down

from

the

area

where

had

sampled

from

and

took

a photograph

it.

This

material

looks

have

been

it’s

obviously

broken

in a

little

bit

inside

the

bag.

How

did

get

that

way?

that

the

way

you

pick

off

the

floor

did

you

crumble

break

something

off

larger

piece?

No.

That’s

the

material

picked

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off

the

floor.

Your

purpose

lying

top

the

other

material

depict

the

kind

material

itis?

Yes,

sir.

Now,

I’m

looking

now

underneath

that

bag

there’s

piece

of material

and

looks

has

this

textured

sprayed

white

stuff

gray

stuff

whatever

you

want

call

the

color

the

picture

over

some

other

substance;

that

right?

Correct.

the

thin

coating

textured

material

that

what’s

being

referred

the

sprayed-on

material?

Correct.

the

material

underneath

basically

dry

wall?

Correct.

The

material

that

you

characterized

your

report

suspected

regulated

material,

that

would

the

sprayed-on

portion,

right?

Correct.

there

was

any

RACM

found,

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would

be contained within

that

sprayed-on

layer,

right?

Yes.

Okay.

And

you

wanted

find

out

whether

there

was

any

RACM

that

sprayed-on

layer,

you

could

pick

some

off

and

test

it;

isn’t

that

right?

Correct.

Because

the

wall

board

is irrelevant

for

those

purposes,

right?

Except

for

the

tape.

Sometimes it

comes

back

asbestos, also.

Okay.

And

did

you

believe

that

the

material

you

collected

for

purposes of

the

sample

depicted

in this

Photograph 4

what’s

the

number

again

4s,

did

you

believe

you

had

collected

adequate

enough

sample

run

the

test?

Yes.

Okay.

And

you

did

that

without

taking

what

you

referred

earlier

core

sample?

Correct.

Because

there

really

was no

need

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take

such

a sample.

This

was

the

layer

you

were

after,

the

top

layer

with

the

sprayed-on

material?

I would

have

had

coring

tool,

would

have

used

it,

yes.

you

have

one

those?

No,

did

not

have

one.

Have

you

ever

had

one while

you’ve

been

inspector

——

well,

you’re

not

inspector

anymore

this

division.

Right.

those

days

did

you

ever

have

one

those

tools?

did

not,

no.

But

that’s

the

way

take

a sample,

right,

use

core?

Not

always,

sir,

no.

You

seem

think

ahead.

(continuing)

would

have

been

really

good

idea

here

and

that

maybe

there

was

something

wrong

with

your

sample

because

you

hadn’t

done

core

sample,

but

I’m

hearing

you’ve

never

done

it.

Please

explain

what

the

importance

this

core

sample

was

you

were

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talking

about

before.

Generally

core

sampling

usually

normally

used

by the

consultants

prior

renovation

demolitions.

As an

asbestos

inspector,

primarily

just

took

bulk

samples

and

usually

the

sample

was

taken

hand

whatever

material

that

appeared

suspect

material.

Okay.

And

knowing

that

the

consultants

and

the

experts

use

core

sampling,

you

still

elected

not

use

the

same

sampling

method?

was never

trained

that

way.

Okay.

think

already

established

don’t

know

how

the

samples

were

collected

that

were

reported

the

Farmer’s

report?

No,

I do

not.

fair

say

for

purposes

this

case

can

forget

about

the

subject

core

sampling, we

don’t

know

anybody

that

did

this

case?

Yes.

Okay.

Thanks.

the

way,

Sample

No.

1 was

the

one

——

was

one

two

that

you

caused

submitted

the

EPA

contract

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laboratory

for

analysis,

right?

Correct.

laboratory

that

the

agency

routinely

uses,

correct?

Correct.

And

continued

use

even

after

this

case

started,

right?

Yes.

And

they

told

you

there

wasn’t

any

asbestos

that

sample,

didn’t

they?

Nondetect,

sir,

yes.

Nondetect

means

that

they

couldn’t

find

any?

Correct.

Any?

Correct.

Okay.

And

similar

sample

marked

No.

where

was

collected,

No.

May

regard

sampling?

Sample

was

taken

from

the

hallway

the

second

floor.

Hallway

the

second

floor,

would

that

pretty

much

right

above

this

area

where

this

one

was

in?

to,

yes.

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it,

pretty

much

the

same

end

the

building?

No.

The

southwest

room

was

basically

that

west

wall

and

the

hallway

ran

down

the

middle

the

building

itself.

Okay.

But

would

have

been

above

this

area

the

same

general

end

the

building?

No.

Okay.

I’m

confused

for

second,

but

I’m

sure

it’s

fault.

The

southwest

room

that

you

almost

immediately

encountered

-—

Correct.

(continuing)

when

first

going

in?

Correct.

This

area

the

hallway,

was

this

the

opposite

end

the

building?

The

southwest

room

the

southwest

end

the

building,

and

where

was

the

second

floor

was

the

middle

the

building.

toward

the

middle

the

building

and

upstairs?

Yes.

Out

that

hallway

you

collected

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Sample

No.

Correct.

Once

again, we’re

looking

determining

whether

not

there’s any

RACM

within

this

sprayed—on

layer

of material

that’s

over

the

dry

wall

which

otherwise

don’t

care

about,

right?

Correct.

And

Sample

No.

2 you

collected in

the

same

way?

Yes.

Got

what

you

thought

was

fair

representation

the

material

that

had

been

taken

down

from

above?

Yes.

And

sent

the

same

contract

laboratory that

the

agency

used?

Correct.

And

got

back

answer

that

there

was

no asbestos

detected

that

sample?

Correct.

want

call

your

attention if

may to

Photograph

4y.

being

room

pretty

quiet

place

filled

with

drums?

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Correct.

the

middle

the

room

well,

the

drums

are

stacked

double

high

except

for

couple

that

are

sort

the

middle

of the

picture.

One

them

almost

smack

dab

the

middle.

It appears

have

what

believe

roll

of duct

tape

sitting

top

a drum.

that

what

it is?

Yes,

sir.

And

looks

I’m

not mistaken

these

drums

have

been

sealed

with

this

duct

tape

and

have

rings

them,

retaining

rings

them;

I right?

They

have

rings

them

but

don’t

think

all

them

had

been

actually

duct

taped

yet.

Oh,

okay. Is

the

duct

tape

that

you

observed

around

the

place

in the

drum

area,

being

used

put

a final

seal

the

drum

before

goes

out

the

dumpster

for disposition

off

site?

Correct.

That’s

the

last

step

in the

process.

Once

they’ve

taped

drum,

it’s

done?

That

and

demarking

by putting

the

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identification

the

-—

But

the

physical

things,

the

taping

and

then

the

label

and

then

it’s

gone?

Then

goes.

want

get

that

clear.

This

drum

that

you

said

that

you

took

sample

out

marked

No.

That

drum

hadn’t

been

sealed

yet,

right?

Correct.

wasn’t

ready

anywhere

yet?

Correct.

Physically

none

of these

were

ready

to go

yet

because

none

them

had

been

tagged.

Tagged.

Right.

And

also

the

dumpster

wasn’t

site

yet.

Right.

understand.

They

were

sort

stockpiling

drums

and

getting

them

ready

but

they

had

dumpster

put

them

that

moment?

Correct.

I’m

correct

notes,

Picture

No.

4aa

being

the

one

that’s

little

out

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focus,

the sample

bag.

Yes.

That’s

the

picture

Sample

No.

sitting

top

the open

drum

from

which

the

sample

was

collected;

that right?

Correct.

Just

for

reference

purposes

the

immediately

preceding

picture

4z,

zebra,

picture

that

drum taken

from

looking

down

into

it?

Correct.

Without

the

sample

bag

being

the

picture?

Correct.

That

also

ceiling

material,

correct?

Correct.

came

back from

your

lab

noting

the

presence

asbestos

range

of 1

to 5

percent?

Correct.

And the

report

that

had been

submitted

-- that

had

been

submitted

the

agency

but

you didn’t

actually

see

till

little

bit

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later

from Farmers

Environmental

Service

had

said

that

the

material

they had

sampled

ceiling

material,

textured

ceiling

plaster,

their

bulk

sample

says here

bulk

sample

the

way,

they

come

back

percent,

hadn’t

they?

Correct.

to 25

percent,

correct.

an average

seven

bulk

samples,

right?

I’m

getting

there.

I’m sorry

that’s

not

paginated,

but

that’s

the

way

it goes.

I’m

at the

page

that

has--

Yes.

percent?

Correct.

appears

that

with

two samples

coming

back

zero

and

one

sample

coming

back

between

and

percent,

the

samples

that

you

collected

were

material

that

appears

quite

different

asbestos

content

from

the

material

that

is reported

the

Farmer’s

report;

isn’t

that

right?

No,

sir.

Well,

their

average

five

times

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higher

than

the

very

highest

reading

your

lab

could

find

only

one

sample,

and

you’re

testifying

that

that’s

not

a substantial

difference?

Anything

greater

than

percent

asbestos

containing

material

——

got

that

part.

I know

that.

I’m

talking about

(continuing)

according

(continuing)

the

difference

between

and

25?

That

would

something

that

I’m

not

laboratory

analysis

guy.

But

it’s

500

percent

difference?

But

don’t

think

that’s

out

the

ordinary.

I’ve

seen

that

before.

You

have?

Yes.

Anyway,

you

went

out

there

the

site,

did

your

job,

collected

three

samples

and

didn’t

mention

anywhere

in your

report

your

testimony

and

need

ask

you

whether

not

the

sprayed—on

material

had

-—

don’t

know

when

was

sprayed

on.

All

know

the

building

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years

old.

Correct.

This

sprayed-on

material

had

been

subsequently

any

time

painted?

Unknown,

sir.

You

didn’t

notice?

When

and

how

many

times,

couldn’t

tell

you,

sir.

Did

ever

did

it have

any paint

it?

appeared

painted

one

time,

yes.

appeared

that

this

material

had

been

painted

after

had

been

applied

some

later

date

God

knows

when,

right?

Yes,

sir.

And

whether

it was

painted

than

once,

have

idea;

isn’t

that

right?

Correct.

fact,

don’t

even

know

exactly

when

was

sprayed

on, we

just

know

the

building

was

50 years

old,

right?

just

know

asbestos

was

present,

and

don’t

know

when

was

sprayed

on,

no.

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And

we don’

t know

where

exactly

the

building

Farmers

collected

their

samples

either,

they

didn’t

tell

us that?

No.

Okay.

And

you

didn’t

know

course

when

you were

there

on August

4th,

you

didn’t

know

when

you

received

the

Farmer’s

report

later,

and today

you

don’t

know

exactly

where

they

collected

their

samples?

Exactly

that

room --

Or in

that building

In that

building,

excuse

me,

where

they

took

samples,

no.

Just

we know

it was

of the

ceiling

material.

Okay.

And how

many rooms

this

whole

building

did

you

collect

samples

in?

Sounds

three

but --

Three

different

areas.

Three

different

areas,

yeah.

Because

the

hallway

you

call

an area

rather

than

room?

Correct.

Downstairs

southeast

that

was one

room

though?

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Southwest.

Southwest

was

one

room?

Yes.

And

the

load

out

room

Would

have

been

their

area.

Two

rooms

and

a hallway

area?

Correct.

The

photographs

you

took

ceiling

material

on the

floor, how

many

different

rooms

areas

they

were

hallways

are

depicted

your

photographs?

Three

areas.

Three.

Three

areas.

Two

rooms

and

hallway?

Correct.

Same

two

rooms

and

a hallway

which

you

collected

your

samples?

No.

wasn’t trying

to confuse

you.

suddenly realized

that

agreed

with

you

before

you

answered the

question

because

you

didn’t

collect

sample.

The

ceiling

wasn’t

issue

the

load

out

room.

That’s

not

where

you

collected

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one

those?

Well,

the

ceiling

probably

had

been

removed

from

that

area.

You

didn’t

take

pictures

ceiling

laying

floor

that

room?

Not

that

area

because

ceiling

had

already

been

removed

and

everything

was

cleared

off

the

floor.

you

took

ceiling

pictures

the

floor

two

rooms

and

one

hallway?

Correct.

And

out

total

how

many

rooms?

believe

there

was

eight

apartments

there.

With

multiple

rooms

each?

Yes.

least

No,

no,

they

don’t

have

multiple

rooms

them.

Didn’t

they

have

bathroom

and

kitchen

and

living

room?

These

rooms

were

wide

open

rooms,

no.

These

were

square

-—

there’s

picture

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that

depicts

what

the

rooms

looked

I do

believe.

Maybe

fixtures

and

things

well,

fixtures

and

things

had

been

removed,

right?

There

were

sinks

and

stoves

and

toilets

and

things

that

in these

rooms,

were

there?

No,

sir.

that

had

already

been

done

somebody

else?

Yes.

And

then

they

brought

the

asbestos contractor

take

down

the

suspect

material?

Yes.

And

you

refer

it as

suspect

material when

you

walked

into

the

building

and

when

you

wrote

your

report,

didn’t

you?

Suspect

material,

yes.

Because

you’re

not

positive

what

when

you

there?

Absolutely

not.

fact,

during

your

deposition

you

testified

that

the

reason

you

took

the

samples

was

figure

out

for

sure?

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identify

presence

asbestos.

For

certain

rather

than

calling

suspect,

right?

Correct.

MR.

IMMEL:

Okay.

Madam

Hearing

Officer,

let

say

believe

can

finished

with

the

witness

about

another

minutes.

I’m

just

telling

you

that

HEARING

OFFICER:

Let’s

off

the

record

minute.

(Wherein,

discussion

was

held

off

the

record.)

(By

Mr. Immel)

You

had

not

had

occasion

inspect

the

General

Waste

Services

job

prior

your

first

your

visit

this

site

August

that

right?

Correct.

August

4, 2005.

But

you

knew

who

they

were?

Indirectly.

And

believe

you

understood

that

they

had

good

reputation

their

field;

isn’t

that

right?

Yes.

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And

they

also

had

never

had

any

violation

with

your

agency;

isn’t

that

right?

THE

WITNESS:

May

I expound

that?

HEARING

OFFICER:

Yeah.

THE

WITNESS:

was

new

the

area

there

had

not

been

asbestos

inspector

this

district

forever

and

there

were

not

very

many

inspections

conducted,

lot

——

any.

When

came

down

this

area,

was doing

lot

inspections.

didn’t

matter

who

was.

was

just

inspecting

lot

different

——

(By

Mr.

Immel)

I’m

not

suggesting

did matter

who

was.

I understand

you

were

doing

your

And

I never

did

get

General

Waste.

have

not

been

General Waste

yet.

Until

this

day

you

finally

got

visit

one

their

jobs?

Correct.

But

youd

already

heard

they

had

pretty

good

reputation

the

industry,

and

you

would

have

known

from

your

own

agency

records

that

they

had

not had

any

prior

citations

or violation

notices

anything

from

your

agency?

You

would

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have

known

that,

right?

Yes.

Okay.

That’s

what

I was

asking.

All right.

you

knew whether

they

had

prior

notices

violations.

think

what

I’m

trying

get at

probably

General

Waste

was

never

inspected

by an

EPA

inspector

before.

Well,

I’m

not

going

get

into

discussion

with

you.

That’s

not true

but

we’ll

have

our

own

that.

They

had

no violations?

No violations.

Okay.

Now,

let

just

double

check

one

thing.

You

said

you

did not

have

recollection

containment

with

——

recollection

having

had

a conversation

with

Mr.

Calvin

Johnson,

the

supervisor

the

job,

inside

the

containment

area,

right?

No.

But

you

did encounter

him outside?

Correct.

And

didn’t

-- that’s

where

you

introduced

yourself

and showed

your

credentials

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and

such?

No.

That

was

before

went

into

the

building.

encountered

Outside?

(continuing)

-—

encountered

him

second,

different

time

outside.

There

was

two

times

that

saw

him

going

and

saw

him

when

came

out

the

building.

Okay.

You

physically

saw

Mr.

Johnson

going

into

the

building

ahead

you?

No.

Okay.

Then

let

ask

you

just

help

out

here

because

think

I’m

either

confused

your

prior

testimony

what

you

testified

your

deposition.

When

did

you

first

encounter

Mr.

Johnson?

approached

the

building.

foot

having

parked

your

vehicle?

foot.

And

you’re

heading

for

the

building.

Where

you

see

Mr.

Johnson?

was

coming

was

kind

already

out

the

door

walking

kind

northbound,

and

was

going

southeast

bound.

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Okay.

Did

you have

any conversation

with

him

all

at that

point?

let him

know

who

was

and

told

him

I was

going

to go

and

inspect

the

building.

Okay.

And

you don’t

remember

having

conversation

with

him

about

the

fact

that

he was

outside

resetting

breaker?

knew

something

about

he had

said

going

something

about

breakers

going

off

something

that,

but

was

just

passing

I told

him

was

going

checking

see

what

was

going

on.

It wasn’t

face

face,

hey,

this

what’s

going

on inside.

After

had

come

out

of a

building

a later

time,

then

he discussed

me the

whole

problem

situation

that

was

having.

Even

prior

that

day,

told

what

kind

of problem.

So you

got

quickie

thumbnail

the

way

and

details

later?

Absolutely.

I had

wonder

if you

wouldn’t

wonder

why

the

supervisor

for

the

job

outside

when

you got

there.

would

have

thought

find

him

inside

and

here

he is

outside,

and

thought

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you’d

ask

him

have

a conversation

about

what’s

up.

You

don’t

remember

the

details

that

other

than he

mentioned

something

about an

electric

problem?

Inside

mind

after

heard

about electric

problem,

my thoughts

was

are

they

still removing

asbestos

inside.

even

are

they

removing

asbestos

inside?

Exactly.

You

didn’t

know

what

they

were

doing

inside,

you’d

never

been

inside

the

building?

No.

could

only

assume.

Okay.

that’s

when

you

went

through

and

went

through,

walked

through

the

shower

and

did

all

the

things

you

talked

about

before.

You

had

your

clothes

on,

inside

and

find

this

first

hallway

where

you

take

some

pictures

and

whatnot.

Now,

the

sprayers

they

use

and

there

was

picture

them

one

your

photographs.

I believe

can

jump

that

real

quick.

The

picture

the

airless

sprayer

laying

the

floor

that

had

seemed

was

the

middle

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the

batch

here.

I’m

not

finding

but

know

I’ll

get

it.

Anyway,

they’re

using

airless

sprayer

system,

right?

Last

page,

sir,

4gg.

Yeah.

It’s

the

last

one.

That’s

the

spray

head

from

the

airless

sprayer?

That’s

the

spray

head

that’s

connected

hose,

yeah.

Their

airless

sprayer,

that’s

system

you’ve

seen

used

various

jobs,

correct?

Yes.

The

airless

sprayer

gets

its

power

from

electricity?

Yes.

And

when

it’s

working

properly

and

the

electricity

making

go,

essentially

sucks

water

out

bucket

and

sprays

out

through

spray

head,

right?

this

case

believe

was

the

pump

out

water

truck.

Once

the

pump

running

properly,

was

pumping

water

from

the

water

truck

directly

believe.

Then

there’s

another

hose

there

that’s

not

don’t

see

your

picture

but

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there’s

another

hose

that’s

a water

hose

that

you

describe

your

testimony.

You

said

there

was

hose

being

used

spray

water.

And

said

I wasn’t

too

sure

that.

just

know

that

they

had

-—

by the

time

had

got

there,

they

had

pressure.

the

time

that

arrived

how

they

got

pressure,

don’t

know.

You

didn’t

see

evidence

what’s

referred

a finger

hose

which

looks

air

hose

with

little

plug

the

end

and

you

just

push

with

your

thumb

and

releases

the

water

No.

You

didn’t

see

that?

No.

You

didn’t

see

the

men

squirting

water

with

that

then

obviously

I was

not

sure

what

water

source

used

that

time

because

that

time

that

water

pressure

was

pretty

significant.

wasn’t

airless

sprayer

would

like.

the

direct

pressure

came

don’t

know

how

they

got

that

pressure.

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not

the

side

I was

asking

you

about.

the

way,

I’ve

been

prompted

ask if

you

haven’t

—— when

you

went

down

your

new

assignment

in Southern

Illinois

and

became

inspector

down

there

where

there’d

been

dearth

inspectors

you

said

the past,

did

you

have

occasion

familiar

with

asbestos

abatement

job

at a

place

called

S --

Southwestern

Illinois

College

Belleville.

you

remember

going

an inspection

that

site

an inspector?

Yeah.

remember

visiting

that

site,

yes.

you happen

know

who the

asbestos

abatement

contractor

was

that site?

I wouldn’t

remember,

no.

How

about

the Feed

Store

Waterloo,

does that

ring

a bell

with

you?

No.

site

that

was

inspected

you,

asbestos

abatement

job?

Watt

-— no,

I don’t

recall.

Not

saying

I was

there,

but

I don’t

recall

that

inspection,

no.

Okay.

Those

were

two

General

Waste

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jobs

that

you

inspected

prior

this

one

and

that’s

why

were

wondering

maybe

you

had

remembered

them

—

No.

(continuing)

specifically?

No.

All

right.

the

course

your

what

was

your

purpose

collecting

samples, the

three

samples you

did

collect,

what

was

your

specific

purpose?

identify

asbestos.

And

this

asbestos

until

the

time

you

got

positive

identification

was

you

were

referring

as suspect

material;

that

right?

Correct.

Because

the

identification

notice

telling

that

there

was

6,700

square

foot

suspected

regulated

asbestos

containing

material.

And

the

building

was

being

treated

asbestos laden

building

that

had

treated

asbestos

abatement

site

and

that

was

being

done?

Correct.

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And

you

wanted

make

sure

that

the

particular

material

you

were

dealing

with

and

collecting

samples

that

they

were

fact

dealing

with

asbestos?

Correct.

And

you

took

these

samples

determine

you

were

dealing

with

RACM,

and

the

case

two

the

samples,

came

back

you

proved

yourself

that

was

RACM

those

two

instances?

Just

those

two

samples,

sir.

Okay.

And

these

three

samples

you

collected

the

aggregate

are

all

the

samples

you

collected,

there

were

more?

Correct.

And

you

weren’t

-—

were

you

at all

troubled

receive

third

sample

back

that

said

the level

asbestos found

in that

sample

was

between

and

percent?

No.

And

even

that

means

that

the

possibility

of error

anywhere

between

and

or the

range

between

and

500

percent

chance

being

wrong,

you

still

didn’t

attach

any

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significance

that?

No.

looking

for

greater

than

percent.

Don’t

matter

it’s

percent

percent.

And

wouldn’t

suggest anything

you

about

the

integrity

the

sample

result

itself

was

could

off

a factor

500

percent?

No.

Much

police

officer

stops

you

and

says

Mr.

Zappa,

I’m

giving

you

ticket,

you

were

going

anywhere

between

and

miles

hour

here

and

you

would

say

thank

you,

officer,

and

pay

the

fine?

(Laughing)

Nevermind.

Just

amplify

picture

you

didn’t

discuss,

but

know

you

took

and

will

recognize

it.

It’s

the

picture

the

pick-up

truck

with

the

water

tank

the

back.

I’m

looking

for

it.

MR.

MANKOWSKI:

speed

things

it’s

4q.

MR.

IMMEL:

Thanks.

The

Secretary

State

would

never

give

you

that

license

plate.

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THE

WITNESS:

I have

it.

(By

Mr.

Inimel)

Just

for

the

record,

that’s

the

truck

that

contained

the water

supply

that

these

people

were

using

this

job,

they

had

running

water

in the

building,

correct?

Correct.

And

that

water

tank

there

and

there’s

two

hoses

coming

out

of there?

Correct.

You

can

see

one

draped

down

the

left

side

the

truck?

Oh—huh.

And

those

run

over

to the

building

and

feed

the

shower

and

the

upstairs

part

wherever

they

go,

but

that’s

where

the

water

source

is,

right?

Correct.

Right

the

building?

Correct.

I was

hoping

but

I don’t

know

does

not.

The

breaker

boxes

aren’t

visible in

this

picture.

The

preceding

picture,

4p,

just

being

a side

long

shot

the

building?

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Correct.

You

can still

see

the

same

pick-up

truck

over in

the far

right-hand

side of the

picture

and that’s

probably

General

Waste

Services,

one of their

work

trailers?

Correct.

That’s

just

side view

of the

building.

What

side

that

building

are we

looking

at?

That’s

the west

side,

sir.

So one

of the rooms

that

you had

inspected

would

have

been —— would

it have

been

visible

in this

picture from

the

outside?

Yeah.

Right where

that

pink door

with

the

sign

identified,

that

would have

been

the

first

room

that

the material

observed was

in.

at the far

right-hand

Yeah.

The

immediate

door is the

entrance

into

the

actual

-— the

containment

itself.

Okay.

And that

doorway

into

that

little

-—

what

apparently

was

once an

apartment,

that’s

the

actual doorway

then

into

the

containment

area?

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Correct.

Into

the

clean

room.

So that

that

second

-- that

first

sample

was

collected

down

that

area.

The

second

sample

went

sort of

in the

middle

this

picture

on the

second

floor,

it’s

kind

of in

the

middle

the building

hallway

the middle

and in

the back,

yes,

you’re

right.

Yeah.

Then

that load

out room

where

you

took

the

third

sample,

that room

wouldn’t

-- that

would

not

this

picture.

That

part

of the

building

not in

this

picture,

it?

No.

You’d

have

keep

going

to your

left

to get

to that

part

the

building,

correct?

Straight

through

the

door

and

continue

straight

would

say.

All

right.

They

had a

couple

storage

areas.

I’ve

got one

area

that

never

like.

Mr.

Zappa,

have

you

ever

been

convicted

felony?

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MANKOWSKI:

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only

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done

prior because

that

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the

only

day

they

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believe.

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had

just

started

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day

you

got

there?

No. They

had

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the

3rd.

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no,

for

the

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sure

so I

can’t

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seven

o’clock,

but

don’t

know.

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from

General

Waste

tell

you

that

that material

had

been placed

the

drum

the

day

before?

No.

Did

you

know

where

it had

come from

the

building?

No.

Okay.

I’ve

got

one more

question

this.

you

recall

ever

using

the term

-- do

you

ever

recall

stating

whether

or not

the term

adequately

wet

was

subjective

term?

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No,

I don’t

remember

saying

it.

Okay.

Not

without,

you

know, me

looking,

no,

don’t

remember.

Doyou-

I remember

you

telling

that

that’s

gray

area.

Well,

do you

remember

do you

think

it’s

a subjective

term?

No.

Then

in that

case let

call your

attention

to your

deposition

March

24,

2009,

Page

67.

I’ll

wait

till

Mr. Mankowski

gets

there.

MR. MANKOWSKI:

I’m

there.

MR.

IMMEL:

Wherein

I asked

you

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67, Line

19,

Mike:

QUESTION:

there

any

specific

standard

you

can

point

that

would

define

what

is meant

by the

term

“adequately

wet”?

hear

that

used

lot,

but

I --

sounds

pretty

fairly

subjective.

Line

23:

ANSWER:

Yes, it

subjective.

you

recall

that

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THE

WITNESS:

just

didn’t

recall

without

going

back

it.

(By Mr.

Immel)

Were

you

asked

that

question

and

did

you

give

that

answer?

Yes.

MR.

IMMEL:

Okay.

that

point

have

further

hearings

——

further

questions

the

witness.

HEARING

OFFICER:

Mr.

Mankowski.

REDIRECT

EXAMINATION

QUESTIONS

MR.

MANKOWSKI:

Just

clarify

few

things

that

you’ve

talked

about.

Did

you

count

the

negative

air

machines in the

building

when

you

arrived

there?

No.

you

normally

count

the

number

negative

air

machines?

No.

Did

seem

you that

the building

was

under

negative

air?

Yes.

that

why

you

didn’t

investigate

any

further?

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Yes.

How

did

you

know

the

building

was

under

negative

air?

the

pressure

that

was

putting

the

walls.

that

where

you

talked

about

the--

The

plastic

leaning

-—

(continuing)

sheeting

being

pulled

in?

Yeah,

being

pulled

in.

You

talked

lot

with

Mr.

Immel

about

the

sampling

that

you

took

the

spray

on.

was

hoping

you

could

kind

describe

how

spray

applied.

How

that

material

applied

ceiling?

With

sprayer.

It’s

usually

just

sprayed

across

the

ceiling

just

paint

would

sprayed.

an even

coat?

Yes.

You

had

said

other

inspections

you

had

seen

samples

spray

on have

varying

degrees

asbestos

them;

that

correct?

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you

weren’t

surprised

with

these

sample

results?

No.

You

weren’t

surprised

that

the

Farmer

results

came

percent?

No.

And

you

also

stated

you

don’t

know

where

Farmers

took

the

sample,

any

their

samples?

Not

specifically,

no.

But

they

did

call

homogenous

area?

Correct.

discussed

what

had

homogeneous

area

is.

means

that

everything

the

same.

You

testified

that

Direct.

MR.

IMMEL:

I’m

going

object

he’s

going

get

into

discussion

what

the

dictionary

says

or something

that’s

what

he’s

——

MR.

MANKOWSKI:

No.

MR.

IMMEL:

—-

after.

We’ve

got

the

Farmer’s

report.

says

what

says.

he’s

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speak

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time.

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over.

MR.

MANKOWSKI:

Okay.

(By

Mr.

Mankowski)

The

Farmer’s

report

says

that

the

ceiling

was

homogeneous

area;

that

correct?

Yes.

Your

samples

came

from

the

ceiling?

Correct.

Your

ceilings

came

from

the home

your

samples

the

ceiling

came

from

the

homogeneous

area?

Correct.

there

were

ten

samples

the

homogeneous

area

taken?

Correct.

Eight

those

samples

came

positive

for asbestos?

Correct.

Regulated

asbestos

containing

material is

anything

greater

than

percent

asbestos?

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Correct.

And

eight

those

sample

came

between

and

percent

asbestos?

Correct.

I wanted

back

to a

picture

that

you

also

discussed

with

Mr.

Immel.

4dd.

It’s

the

one

with

the

barrels

it.

Correct.

Okay.

you

look

the

front

barrel

the

picture.

Correct.

That

we’ve

already discussed

that’s

ceiling material

it.

the

left

the

picture.

Yes.

that

the

spray-on material

it’s

spray-on

material

and

then

the

brown

card

board

behind it?

Correct.

that

different

color

than

the

spray-on

the

right

that

barrel?

Correct.

that

piece

spray-on

darker

because

it absorbed

water?

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this

picture

does depict

spray

that

has

absorbed

water?

Yes.

Okay.

The

barrels

that

you

saw

the

load

out,

the

one

that

you

opened

and

took

Sample

No.

3 from,

had

those

been

filled

the

day

before

and

properly

wetted,

would

there

have

been

evidence

water

the

4th?

Yes.

Those

are

airtight

containers,

correct?

Yes.

there

would

have

been

some

evidence

water

had

that

ceiling

material

been

wetted

the

day

before?

Correct.

General

Waste

had

tried

wet

this

ceiling

material

and

just

regular

water

hadn’t

permeated

it,

what

could

have

they

done

adequately

wet

it?

using

another

agent,

another

soluble

agent.

believe

don’t

know

what

the

agent

is,

specifically

what

they

can

use,

but

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there’s

another

agent.

it’s

not

permeating,

they

should

find

another

solution

maintaining

this

material.

Something

other

than

water?

Correct.

That

available?

Yes.

What

you

mean

agent

soluble

material?

Can

you

clarify

that

all?

No.

soap

believe

it’s

soap

that

they

can

use

that

will

help,

you

know,

permeate

the

material.

said

before,

believe

the

only

material

—-

Amosite

the

only

material

that

really

doesn’t

permeate

water.

And

the

both

your

sample

result

that

caine

positive

and

the

Farmer

samples

that

came

positive,

that

was

Chrysotile?

That

was

Chrysotile.

there

really

reason

that

water

shouldn’t

have

permeated

this?

Correct.

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MANKOWSKI:

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had at

said

time and

place,

and

that

the foregoing

pages

constitute

the complete

and

correct

transcript

said

shorthand

notes.

Notary

Public

and

for

The

State of

Illinois

commission

expires

January

2012

134

Keefe Reporting

Company

adhesive

36:10

89:11

91:5

appearance

5:13

attached

29:10,14

abatement 2:13

4:13

administered 78:22

along

47:5 52:15

appearances

3:1

5:2

30:23

52:8

10:1445:7

75:18

admitted

2:11

6:6,9

78:3

appeared

87:7

attempt

72:14

111:7,14,20

admitting

6:1

already

20:7

87:12

96:11,13

134:7

attempts

77:13

112:22

adopted

20:12

99:7

100:8

102:20

appears

91:6 94:16

attention

47:3

48:15

abatingll:2,3

after7:3

15:722:11

104:23

127:5

94:19

49:1050:1657:11

ability78:18

22:1226:2028:18

129:12

applied96:14

59:2079:681:22

able 28:10

35:19

30:18

33:17,23

altered

110:12

125:15,15

90:22

123:12

45:4

69:20

110:14

35:14

42:9,9,10,21

always

9:14

86:16

apply

17:24

33:20

ATTORNEY

3:8

110:14

42:22

44:1,20

Amauda3:20

134:5

77:14

118:5

August2:14

6:24

about

11:20

13:17

45:24

47:10

62:8

Amosite

62:24

applying

33:6

25:8

26:1

29:6

15:2416:12,14

70:1586:288:6

131:15

approach8:21

42:1566:1,6,12,12

17:20,23

20:15,21

96:14

105:13

amount

10:11

42:5

23:24

32:17

66:21

70:2,6,7

28:12

44:23

46:8

106:5

126:23

amplify

114:16

approached

104:17

82:10

97:6

101:16

51:7

54:8

55:22

afternoon

4:3

analysis

41:3

42:6

appropriate

119:4

101:18

64:24

65:5

73:2

again

29:22

50:19

88:1

95:13

approximately 27:5

authority

77:13

74:1377:978:1,3

51:353:459:21

analyzed69:21

81:18

availablel3l:6

81:8

87:1,18

90:6

60:24

61:18

85:16

another32:1440:10

area

15:11,11,16,17

Avenue

3:4

95:8

10 1:7

105:6,8

90:3

43:3

63:4,5,20

26:24

32:5

33:20

average

94:7,24

105:9

106:1,3,6,16

against23:1

120:9

68:2 71:15

101:7

33:21

35:2,636:6

avoid79:3

109:24

111:2,16

age7:2140:8

107:23

108:1

37:19

38:9,1943:1

a.m132:17

114:6

120:24

agency6:23

9:14,17

127:1

130:22,22

43:2,1650:21,22

124:13

125:6,13

12:17

13:2,11

131:1,2

50:24

54:24

57:4

_____

above

55:2,3

88:22

14:21

16:3

18:5

answer

38:14,20,23

61:22,23

65:1,1,2

B 58:7

89:6

90:14

64:3

69:10

70:24

39:11

90:19

65:6,8,17

69:1

back

6:15 19:18

absolutely

53:12

88:3

90:17

93:23

118:20

119:7

79:5

83:2,17

88:22

38:3,4,11

39:16,17

62:4100:21

102:2,22,24

123:22124:4

89:7,1591:17

40:3,542:10,15

105:20

119:4

agent

63:5

130:22

answered

98:22

97:20

98:5,6

99:3

43:1

47:4

51:14

absorbed

129:24

130:23,24

1:1,8

120:6

99:6

102:5,9

61:15

64:20

67:22

130:3

aggregate

113:13

answering

38:19

103:19

116:24

69:18

75:10

82:22

absorbs

59:9

agreed

6:5

98:21

119:9

117:3,20

123:7

85:12

90:19

93:18

abstract

78:3

132:23

answers

38:18

120:4

126:13,16

127:10

94:5,17,17

113:8

according76:995:9

agreements:24

anybody3l:19

128:8,14,17

113:17

114:19

accurately 47:1

ahead

82:19

86:18

87:19

118:24

areas

44:14,15

117:7

124:2

129:5

acknowledged

104:10

120:1

119:7

122:14

63:24

65:9

97:18

background9:7

45:12

air

9:17 15:9,20

anymore86:9

97:19

98:10,12,14

backing33:1548:3

acoustic

62:22

16:5,11,16,22

anyone

20:4

133:1

117:19

50:11

61:11

63:10

acoustical

17:8

22:18

30:5,7,8,9

anything

9:9

12:3

around

17:19

29:12

109:21

30:23

32:24

35:5

30:10,12

63:14

15:18

18:15,21

29:12

32:19

33:12

backside

110:5,8,21

47:9,1548:553:7

69:3,4,5,8,1970:3

20:20

22:12

26:16

43:9

52:6

55:19

110:22

56:12,23

61:10,20

70:4,12,16,18

28:12

29:13

30:4

56:4

91:17

backup

63:18

110:10

74:1076:2077:8

40:945:946:5

arrival70:5

bad20:21

79:15

across

125:18

77:19

78:15

79:1

55:977:995:5

arrive

19:22

25:11

bag37:1938:7

Act4:22

80:2,6,8,18

108:11

102:24

114:5

arrived25:24

43:12

43:16,2344:6

active

83:2

124:14,18,21

120:22

121:11

45:21

49:3

66:9,17

48:24

52:20

53:3

actual

15:4,4

19:18

125:3

128:23

132:2

71:11

79:12

108:7

57:1,2

73:9 81:24

21:1,8

66:11

83:10

airless

106:23

107:2

133:1,8

124:14

82:1,5

83:11,16,21

116:19,23

107:6,9,12

108:22

anyway

76:7

95:19

asked

33:19

38:16

84:7

93:1,12

actuallyl0:2215:2

airtightl3o:11

107:2

39:1241:17,19

bags6o:7

15:3,5,11

23:16

Alan

14:19

anywhere

47:12

123:15

124:3

bar

53:22

54:8,12

35:19

41:1

43:2

alike40:1

49:24

92:10

95:21

127:5

55:2,3,6

118:1

44:22

47:21

54:22

allegations4:12

113:22

114:12

asking

103:3

109:24

barrel

109:14,14,15

91:15

93:24

alleged43:1748:17

apartnient4:13

6:19

111:1

127:14

110:21

121:24

adequate

85:17

56:12

16:24

27:9

83:10

assignment 111:4

129:10,21

adequately

21:20,21

allegedly

48:5

116:22

assist

5:14

barreLs

61:5

129:7

21:22,23

22:1,9

alleging6:16

apartnients99:15

Associate9:18,19

130:5

51:23

55:2056:2,7

allow38:2439:20

apertures8o:9,20

14:20

basic

13:13

14:5

60:18,2261:1,9

120:1

apologetic4s:2

assume72:20

17:6

68:9,12

122:24

allowance7l:23

apparently20:18

106:13

122:1,3

basically

18:14

123:19

130:21

almost20:2421:7

116:22

attach

113:24

20:17

28:5

69:3

Keefe

Reporting

Company

84:17 89:4

77:7

batch

107:1

bathroom

99:2

Bb 58:6

beaded

110:1

beads

60:14,14

109:15

110:4

became45:11

111:4

before

18:1

25:4

29:2

43:10

44:7,9

52:11

66:16

70:13

73:18

74:7

87:1

91:18

95:16

98:21

103:9

104:2

106:17

118:18,24

121:21

122:16

130:8,16

131:14

133:2

began

12:21

66:4

beginning

4:8 41:3

behind

48:20

49:18

73:16

129:18

being

6:18

7:3,3

13:1

21:14

24:13

36:13

55:18

70:13

75:19

84:14

90:23

91:18

92:24

93:12

108:3

112:20,23

113:24

115:24

125:9,11

believe

66:6,11

69:22

76:10,16,18

85:13,16

91:6

99:14

100:2

101:6

101:21

106:22

107:19,22

120:5

122:4

130:23

131:12,14

believed

120:17

bell 111:17

Belleville

1:17

3:20

4:14

6:20

24:21

35:16

111:9

below

70:9

Besides

14:16

better

20:7

between

51:15

94:18

95:11

113:19,22,23

114:12

129:3

big

30:9

48:2

78:16

78:19

79:21

bit

57:13

62:24

64:20,24

83:20

93:24

bless

132:7

board

1:1

3:2,3

4:5

4:16

20:12

39:19

39:21

58:10,12

59:7,9

85:9

118:9

118:23

119:24

129:18

132:19

Board’s

4:22,24

21:3 121:4

both

6:16

70:16

131:17

bound

104:24

box 3:4,14

20:19

boxes

115:21

boy

8:6,7

break

67:10,12,13

83:23

breaker46:3

105:7

115:21

breakers

45:17

105:9

briefly

74:16

bright

52:10

56:5

61:10,12

63:9

bringing

21:23

61:3

broader

13:16

broken

83:20

broom

32:8

brought

59:14

71:7

100:11

brown

129:17

bucket

107:17

building

4:13 18:2

26:3,5,7

27:2,4,8,9

27:11,13,15,17

29:8

31:9

34:13,14

35:10

36:13

40:6,7

44:9,24

45:19,21

45:22

46:1

48:11

49:2 50:22

53:2

56:16 61:24

63:13

64:2,17

66:10

72:3

73:19

74:11,22

78:20

81:17

83:1

89:2,5,7,16,18,20

89:22

95:24

96:2

97:2,11,12,16

100:16

104:3,8,10

104:17,20

105:4

105:14

106:12

112:20,21

115:5

115:13,18,24

116:8,8

117:6,12

117:15

122:19

124:14,20

125:2

buildings

11:1

15:18

16:23,24

17:3,4

20:6

71:22

building’s

24:15

bulk

40:21

87:5

94:3

94:4,7

bulky

6:4

bureau

8:10,12

9:14

9:17

15:9 16:5,11

16:15,21

22:18

call

7:14

28:18

47:3

57:11

81:22

84:9

90:22

97:20

123:11

126:12

called

16:2

70:22

111:8

Callery

3:10

5:6,6

5:12,16

119:11

calling

101:3

calls

7:15

Calvin

26:4,12,13

26:15

44:22

103:18

came

23:19

37:6

38:3,4,11

39:16,16

40:3,17

42:10

45:4

68:9

69:18

82:20

93:18

102:9

104:8

108:23

113:8

126:6

128:10,12

128:13,19

129:2

131:18,19

cancelled

24:11

cancer

19:16

cancers

19:17

card

58:10,12

59:6,9

129:18

care

20:14

90:6

career

9:16

Carol

3:5

4:4

carry

13:1

39:22

case 4:11,17

7:12

17:18

20:16,21

21:8

23:12

24:15

63:1

64:4

71:21

80:21

87:18,2(?

88:7

107:19

113:8

123:11

caulk

36:9

cause

64:1

caused

87:24

causing

19:16,16

cease

79:11

ceased

79:14

ceiling

30:24

1:13

32:24

35:4,9

36:10

36:12,16,21

37:5,9

39:23

40:5

42:11

43:19

47:8,14,17

49:4,16,17,20

50:20

51:10,11

54:13,15

55:7,17

55:19,23

56:13,24

56:24

57:5 59:14

59:15

61:3,19

62:10

65:3,4,6,10

65:16,19

66:5,19

67:2

93:15

94:2,3

97:14

98:8,23

99:2

99:4,6,9

110:10

125:16,18 127:10

128:7,10,13

129:13

130:15,19

ceilings

17:8

35:1

128:12

ceramic

36:10

certain

75:24

77:15

77:20

79:17

101:2

CERTIFICATE

134:1

certification

10:13

12:21

certify

134:6

chalky

63:11

chance

113:23

change

132:24

changed

50:12

characterized

84:20

charges

120:9

check

72:11

81:15

103:14

109:2

checking

105:11

121:14

chemist

39:10

chemistry

39:6

Chicago

15:12

Chrysotile

36:19

65:15

131:19,20

citations

102:23

citizen

70:23

Clair

1:15

4:14

24:22

134:3

clarification

5:12

42:1

clarify

26:11

27:1

27:19

32:21

34:9

38:6

40:19

124:12

131:9

class

10:21

11:4,8

11:15

13:5

cLasses

11:18,22

12:2

14:16

classification

12:24

clean

27:17,20,21

28:6

71:23

73:18

73:24

74:1

117:1

cleaned

51:14

cleaner

30:12

80:12

clear

4:19

54:1

64:19

65:22

78:18

92:5

121:16

cleared

99:7

clearly

82:6 127:16

88:24

89:1

110:14

closes

132:13

clothes

27:22

106:17

clothing

1:13,20

72:2

73:6,16,21

coat

125:20

coating

84:13

cocaine

120:13

collect

97:16

98:23

112:9

collected4l:18

83:4

85:14,17

87:14

88:18

89:24

90:9

93:5

94:19

95:20

97:2,9

98:18,24

113:13,14

117:3

collecting

112:8

113:3

College

111:9

color

33:14,16

36:11

50:13

52:14,15

53:7,9

63:10

84:9

109:18

129:20

colored

63:11

come

23:13

32:7

40:5

55:14

94:5

105:13

118:24

122:18

132:23

comes

85:12

coming

94:17,17

104:22

115:8

commencement

7:12

commented

77:17

77:19

commercial

10:24

15:18

16:23,24

commission

134:20

common44:11,12

companies

16:8

19:10

company

3:19

18:5

competence

77:13

Complainant

7:22

complaint6:15

16:2

20:13

23:1

70:23

71:7

complete

22:11

134:10

completed

35:3

completely

31:2

32:3,12

43:18

59:8

complexes

16:24

compliance

13:8

15:3,6

16:9 21:14

concern

80:24

81:1

81:3

concerning

73:2

concluded

133:11

condition

30:17

43:14

47:11

49:4

49:20,23

57:5

61:6

79:12

Keefe

Reporting

Company

conduct4:18

16:5

42:24

88:6

133:8

2:7

67:17

98:10

document9:4

16:13

19:19

continuing

34:4

crumble

83:23

depicts

100:1

doing

42:16

102:9

conducted

4:23 16:7

72:16

75:21

86:19

crumbly

56:4,5

deposition

100:22

102:14

106:11

102:8

89:13

95:9,10

crushed

18:22,22

104:15

123:12

done

17:5

20:24

configuration

74:23

104:5

112:5 125:9

CSR3:20

133:11

21:7

39:9

40:14

confirm

5:24

contract

87:24

currently

8:6,8

derived

78:6

63:7

65:23,24

confuse

98:20

90:16

derobe29:1

86:22,23

91:23

confused

89:9

contractor

23:10,17

Des 15:10

100:8

112:23

104:14

24:14

100:12

D3:10

59:20

describe7:2

47:21

118:18,22

122:3

connected80:9

111:14

dab9l:5

47:2354:1960:8

130:20

107:8

contractors

10:10

damage

64:1

60:12

71:19 108:2

door

104:23

116:14

considered9:21

Control

1:1 3:2,3

dark

109:20

125:14

127:10

116:18

117:16

17:1

65:19

4:5,16

20:12

darker

129:23

description24:12

doorway

116:21,23

conspiracy

120:8

132:19

date

70:2

82:10

detail

10:23

double

91:3

103:14

constitute

134:10

convenience

71:18

96:15

132:20,24

details

105:19

106:2

121:14

constructed

75:3

conversation

103:17

dates

70:16

detected

90:20

down

31:1

32:11

construction

76:5

105:1,6

106:1

David

59:20

determination

121:4

35:2

42:23

47:8,10

consultants

87:3,9

convicted

117:21

day

7:2 26:14

28:13

determine

69:2

47:17

49:17

50:20

contact23:13

35:16

119:3

120:7

28:15,24

29:1

46:6

77:22

113:7

51:11

54:13,15

35:18

conviction

120:20

47:1

53:14 62:5

determined69:7

55:17

58:13,19,21

contacted

35:15

Cook

15:13

66:7,9,16

69:16,18

determining

90:4

58:22

59:14,14

contained

26:24

copy

35:21

69:19,22

70:13,15

dictionary

126:20

60:4

61:3,19

68:15

29:8

32:12

50:20

core

40:10,23

41:2

102:17

105:16

difference

95:4,10

83:17

89:5

90:14

61:22

85:1

115:3

42:2,3,3,7

85:21

121:21,23

122:4,5

95:14

110:20

93:9

100:12

102:9

container

7:5

32:16

86:15,22,24

87:2,9

122:9,10,16

130:7

different

10:11

109:22

111:3,5

43:11

48:21

53:2

87:18

130:16

132:23

24:10

36:5 47:11

115:10

117:3

63:20

coring

40:24

86:3

days

86:11

50:9 94:20

97:18

134:8

containers

43:7,8,10

correctly

68:12

dealing

113:2,4,7

97:19

98:9

102:11

downstairs

43:1

47:20

52:24

60:18

counsel

6:5

dearth

111:5

104:6

109:18

97:23

68:24

109:6

count

6:14 120:8

December

6:15

120:9,16

129:20

draped

115:10

130:11

124:13,17

132:17

direct2:67:24

DRAPER3:13

containing

6:18

County

1:15 4:15

decide39:21

48:1449:10

50:16

draw78:14

19:1,3,5

22:8

15:13,14,14

134:3

decided

119:22

59:19

78:1,7

Drive4:14

6:19

23:11

24:24

30:22

couple

58:2

67:19

132:16

108:23

109:8

23:17

24:21 25:7

31:4,7

34:2,6,22

91:4

117:19

decision4:17

126:17

127:6

25:22

26:4 27:3

37:7

42:12

48:6,7

course

10:19,22

declared

119:5

directly

55:2,3

29:6

36:4

48:18

52:21

57:17

12:5

13:3,6,14,15

decontaminate

107:22

drop 32:13,14

60:3

62:13

65:20

14:5,5,6,22,24

28:10

dirty

20:18

73:6

droplets

50:14,15

68:21

75:17

95:6

39:2448:19

50:11

deemed78:20

74:6

52:1

55:13

112:19

128:22

67:24

69:11 74:21

defer

121:4

discuss

5:19

9:6

dropped

120:11

containment20:4

79:24 97:6

112:7

define 123:18

20:20

114:17

drug

120:7,17

27:2428:1129:5,5

courses

14:8

definitely4l:12

118:14

drugs

120:21

29:20,2430:6,15

court7:18

118:15

discussed

105:14

drum32:15,16

30:18

32:10

44:21

courthouse

1:15

definition

127:1,5

126:15

129:6,12

43:15

57:16,18

45:4

46:9,22

48:9

132:13

degree

77:12

132:15

70:14

82:20,23

49:1851:1456:16

coverll:1015:1

degreesl2s:24

discussingll9:14

91:7,17,18,2392:5

63:14 66:10

73:5

covered

11:11

48:11

demarking9l:24

discussion

101:11

92:7

93:4,9

121:20

74:23

75:3,7,14,21

77:5

demolition

16:4

103:11

119:19,22

121:21

122:15

75:24

76:6,11,15

COX3:13

19:10

24:7

126:19

132:10

drums37:19,20

77:18,1878:9,9,12 create22:19

demolitions

17:14

dislionestyll9:13

38:8

43:3

47:19

78:1779:2,8,15,22 created9:4

17:1587:4

121:8

56:11,14,1857:3

80:1,9

103:16,19

credentials

103:24

Department

77:6,9

dispersing

63:20

57:15

58:13

60:1

116:19,24

credibility

118:10

depended

79:15

displayed

26:5

90:24

91:3,11

contains46:18

119:1,16,24

depict84:3

109:10

disposal47:19

62:16

92:19

contaminated30:12

120:21

130:2

68:24

dry2l:13,17,18,19

44:15

credible

121:5

depicted

47:6

48:15

dispose

61:21

28:14

31:2,17,18

content94:20

crime

119:13

121:7

49:14

50:17

51:9

disposition9l:19

32:3,13

33:3,10

continue42:23

critical29:12

52:18

54:1056:10

district

15:13

102:7

43:18,21,2245:6

117:17

132:16

Cross

127:2

57:12,19

59:24

disturbance69:7

47:1148:3,1949:6

continued

11:18

Cross-Examination

61:17 82:5

85:15

division

86:9

49:22

50:11

52:20

Keefe

Reporting

Company

53:5

56:3,4

57:7

60:2

61:3,6,11

72:5,6,7

84:18

90:6

110:6

Dually

121:10

duct

43:8

80:17

91:7

91:12,15,16

dumpster

43:12

49:2,2

91:19

92:16

92:20

during

10:16

11:12

11:23

25:1

40:7

63:22

68:20

69:5,8

69:11

70:4 100:22

dust 50:3

duties 9:20

15:8

E8:11

each

27:6

30:7

74:12

99:16

earlier

17:9,23

77:17

85:21

ease 71:18

easier

58:15

75:10

east

3:4

27:7

edges

43:9

edification

21:3

education

8:18

9:3

eight

12:4

74:19

99:14

128:19

129:2

either

16:1 24:11

29:14

57:24

97:3

104:13

elapsed

121:9

elected

87:10

electric

45:18

106:3

106:6

electrical

29:13

45:16

electricity

107:13,16

elsewhere

83:1

Emission

15:20

emissions

29:17

employed

8:7,8,14

9:13

employee

33:17

employees

34:21

42:18

64:13

employment

9:7

enabled

58:13

encounter

103:21

104:16

encountered

89:11

104:3,5

end

28:24 41:3

45:2

89:2,7,16,18

108:11

enforce

77:7

Enforcement

13:12

Enforcement-Air

1:8

enough

62:18,19

85:17

entail

10:21

13:5,15

enter

20:6

27:11,14

27:23

29:1,2

72:3

entered

8:24

24:4

25:15

26:6,24

27:15

29:4

30:18

43:10

46:13,16

120:10

entering29:17

31:9

44:7

entire

134:9

entitled

119:6

entrance

27:12

116:19

entrances

54:23

environment

22:10

29:18

30:13 74:6

78:24

Environmental

6:22

8:13

9:18,19

14:20

14:21

35:11,18,20

36:2

40:24

64:3,2

94:1

EPA

8:9,15

9:11,24

12:22

13:14,21,24

15:9

77:8

87:24

103:9

equipment

11:20,20

26:9,10

27:18,23

28:7,20,21,22,23

28:24

29:2

44:4,5

44:7

71:24

73:16

73:18

error

113:22

escape

30:13

essentially

107:16

established

87:13

even

52:2

56:6

66:12

88:6

96:20

105:16

106:8 113:21

125:20

127:12

event

76:4

events

42:15

ever 40:13

86:7,11

96:9 117:21

119:3

122:22,23

every

12:7 14:10

22:15

everybody’s

47:5

everyone’s

59:20

everything

99:7

126:16

evidence

6:6

49:7

50:6

5 1:4,20

52:6

53:6,10

57:8

62:2

108:9

130:9,15

exactly

24:13 34:15

54:20

80:5 96:20

97:1,8,10

106:10

Examination

2:3,6,8

7:24 124:10

127:6

examinations

5:15

examine

32:5

examined

7:22

example

77:17

except

35:2 85:11

91:3

excuse

16:2

53:24

60:10

63:15

69:24

97:12

118:21

excuses

45:1

exhibit

6:3,4

9:1,2

24:4,5 25:15,16

35:23,24

46:13,17

46:17,19,20

47:4,6

47:6

48:16 52:17

57:12,19

58:3

59:24 64:22

81:10

81:20

exhibits

2:10 5:22

6:1,9

133:4

exit

27:8

exited

44:9

46:1

49:1

73:18

exiting

26:4

exits 80:17

experience

8:18

9:3

9:24

31:16 34:24

35:4

39:14

expertise

38:20 39:6

experts

87:9

expires

134:20

explain

34:17

40:19

45:5,13,20

58:18

86:23

explained

46:2

explanation

38:10

exposed

74:6

exposing

78:24

expound

102:3

expressing

4 1:10

exterior

36:9

eye

56:3,3

e-mailed

35:20

face

105:12,12

facilities

44:16

facility

24:12

fact

44:13

63:13,16

74:19

96:20

100:22

105:6

113:3

factor

114:7

facts

120:19

failure

6:17 63:15

fair

87:17

90:12

fairly

46:24

123:2

familiar

22:24

23:4

23:7

111:7

far 11:18

20:18

33:14

41:13

116:3

116:17

Farmer

38:11

42:11

64:20

65:10 126:6

127:9,23

131:18

Farmers

35:11,12

35:18,20

36:2,3,15

37:6

40:24

41:6,17

41:21,23

94:1

97:2

126:9

127:14

Farmer’s

87:14

94:21

97:7

126:24

127:13

128:6

fault

89:10

federal

13:8

feed

111:16

115:14

feel9:740:4

62:19

feeling

20:2

FELDMAN

3:13

felony

117:22

119:4

120:7,20

felt

70:

few 124:12

fiber 68:15,18

fibers

22:4,10

68:17

68:20

69:2,8

70:18

field 13:18

14:14,15

14:22 15:2

101:22

figure

100:24

filed

5:12 6:15

filLed

90:24 130:7

filling

61:4

filters

30:11

final 4:17

69:17

91:18

finally

102:17

find

16:8

19:23

65:10

77:16

85:4

88:13

95:2

105:23

106:18

131:2

finding

107:1

fine

114:14

finger

108:10

finish

21:7

33:21

132:21

finished

101:6

first

7:14

11:4,5

13:11

14:3

15:12

23:9

24:9

30:20,2

31:19

37:18

38:2

44:5

45:1,21,23

46:22

51:1,2,19

58:11,14

62:1

67:20

81:1,5,8

83:9,9

89:13

101:15

104:16

106:18

109:13

116:16

117:2

134:7

fist 26:16

fit

15:19

35:6

five5:226:1

67:12

94:24

132:14

fix

79:18,19

fixtures

100:3,4

flapping

78:17

floor

18:14

27:6,7

30:7,21,24

31:1,19

3 1:23

32:1,4,13,14

34:1 35:3

36:7,7

37:16,18

42:18

46:23

51:1,2,19

54:18,21

58:14,14

60:2

61:5,21

62:1

64:13

72:6,7

74:12

74:19 83:5,22

84:1

88:20,21

89:19

98:9

99:5,8,10

106:23

117:5

flooring

36:8

floors

27:5

29:8,11

focus

93:1

focussed

17:18

45:7

47:5

77:11

followed

15:4

following

15:6

120:5

follows

7:23

foot

18:12,13

25:2

27:5

31:6

35:6

67:1

104:18,19

112:18

foregoing

134:10

forever

102:7

forget

87:18

form

36:20

formalll:22

14:16

forth

20:13

134:8

forward

22:2

found

15:24

69:15

69:16

84:24

113:18

foundation

34:5,19

38:22

four

17:1

30:6

74:19

120:8,9,16,16

free

9:8

friable

18:20,2

19:9,14

49:6,22

50:2

from

6:22 10:6

12:16

17:5

20:17

22:10

28:17

29:17

31:16

34:24 35:15

Keefe

Reporting

Company

35:16,20

37:20

38:6

40:1,2,22

41:2

46:18

49:16

49:17

50:20 51:11

51:11,12

54:13

55:14

56:24

58:14

64:3

65:4 70:13,23

74:16

78:7,13,14

81:1,5,10

82:20,23

83:5,17,18

88:20

90:14 93

:4,9,18

94:1,20

99:3

102:22,24

107:6

107:13,21 110:13

116:13

121:20

122:14,18

128:10

128:12,13

130:7

front

47:22

81:21

82:3

129:9

full 69:10

functioning

72:18

further

67:4

121:11

124:7,7,24

13 1:24

132:2

133:2,8

fuzzy

57:13

gained

42:22

gallon

32:15,16

37:19

38:8,8

43:3

43:15

47:19

56:11

57:3,14,16

58:13

60:1

gaping

78:19

79:21

gather

61:21

gave

14:21

35:17

127:5

gear

26:2 1

general

1:6

3:8,12

4:6

5:9

23:1,4,7,14

23:17

24:17

30:1

30:15

31:10

64:5

65:5

66:4

89:7

101:14

102:15,16

103:8

111:24

116:4

122:14

130:18

Generally

87:2

generate

22:12

25:19

generated 46:10

gets

107:12

123:13

getting

19:18

42:15

77:3

78:14

92:19

94:9

127:20

give

38:22

39:1,15

39:20

71:23

114:24

124:4

given

45:1 68:11

gives

24:9,12,14

giving

38:20

114:11

gloves

83:15

glues

29:14

20:3

21:3,4

26:18

38:21

44:14

61:14

64:20

67:20,20

70:22

73:11

85:6

86:18

92:10,13

100:20

101:9

105:4

106:17

107:16

115:15

118:13,16

119:17

120:1

127:2

129:5

132:8

133:2

God

96:15

132:7

goes

10:23

41:1

91:19

92:4

94:11

going

5:15

7:1,5

15:23

21:1,10

23:22

24:2

25:14

31:6

35:22

38:13

38:19,20

39:19

41:4

42:24 45:17

46:15 48:14

50:16

59:3

62:8

69:19

89:13

103:10

104:7,10,24

105:4

105:9,9,11,12,13

109:12

111:9

114:12

117:14

118:19,19

119:23

124:2

126:18,19

gone

51:13

92:3

good4:3

30:17

47:2

76:11

77:18

78:9

78:14

79:2 81:21

86:20

10 1:22

102:21

grabbed

32:18,18

Grand

3:4

granted

26:18

Grasher

3:20

134:5

gray

33:14

36:9

84:8

123:7

grayish

52:14

great75:17

greater

19:13

95:5

114:2

128:23

Grimmit

14:19

ground

40:22

41:5

81:3

group

6:3

46:17,19

guess

21:11

guilty

120:10

guy95:13

guys

42:23

45:3

hallway

27:7

34:1

37:17

40:1,2

54:17

54:23

55:16

60:2

88:20,21

89:4,15

89:24

97:20

98:6

98:15,17

99:10

106:18

109:7,22

117:6

hallways

98:10

hammer

53:20

hand

18:23

21:5,8

22:22

23:22

24:3

25:14

32:9

35:22

46:15

50:5

83:15

87:6

handle

118:2

hanging

5 1:12

52:3

happen

40:14

111:13

happened

42:21

harm

121:1

having

7:21

45:16

45:18

63:2,17

71:23

103:17

104:18

105:5,16

Hazardous

15:20

head

107:6,7,18

heading

104:20

Health

77:6,9

hear

123:20

heard

39:3

68:12

102:20

106:5

119:7

hearing

3:5 4:3,4,5

4:18,21

5:11,17,18

5:20,23

6:8,13

7:7

7:10,13,17

8:22

20:10,23

21:6

24:1

34:8,11,16

38:16

38:24

39:3,18

41:14

67:5,6,11,14

77:2,24

78:6

86:22

101:5,9

102:4

118:7,17

119:8,15

119:17,21

121:3

121:10

124:9

127:4

128:3

132:2

132:5,8,12,17,19

132:20

133:5,7,8

hearings

118:23

124:7

held

10:15

101:11

119:19

132:10

help

54:14

78:2

104:13

110:17

131:13

helps

110:19

HEPA

30:10

hereinbefore

134:7

hey

105:12

high

91:3

higher

95:1

highest

95:1

highly

1:9

him

26:5,6,16

34:16

38:16,22,24

39:8

39:20

41:15

44:23

45:24

77:24

103:21

104:5,7,7

105:2,3,4,6,11,24

106:1

120:9

127:14

himself

127:22

hired

13:2

hither

78:18

Hold

128:2

holding

57:4

holes

78:12,16,20

79:21

home

128:12

homogeneous

65:1,1

65:2,6,9,17

126:15

127:1,6,8,10

128:7

128:14,17

homogenous

39:24

126:12

honest

45:11

Honor

117:23

hoping

115:20

125:14

hose32:18,18

33:18

80:12

107:8,23

108:1,1,3,10,11

109:23

hoses

115:8

Hospital

35:17

hour

10:19,21,22

11:8,12,15

12:5

14:3,11

81:18

114:13

hours

14:13

122:11

Hudson

63:19

hurried

81:14

hurry

81:16

idea 69:20

86:20

96:18

identification

92:1

112:13,17

identified

116:15

120:16

identify

101:1

112:11

IOPH

10:24

76:18

III

8:13

Illinois

1:1,5,17

3:3

3:5,7,9,15,20

5:5,7

6:20,22

8:9,11,15

9:11,23

10:2

12:22

13:20,24

14:21

15:9

24:22

77:6,8

111:4,8

132:18

134:2,18

imagine

132:14

immediate

116:18

immediately

27:16

33:19

89:11

93:8

Immel2:7

3:15

5:8

5:8,24

6:2

7:8,10

20:10,23

34:3,12

34:18

38:13,18

39:2,18

41:4,10,17

53:17,19,24

54:5

58:4,6

60:10

67:7

67:8,18

75:12,14

77:11

78:8

101:5

101:13

102:12

114:23

115:2

118:3,4,10,15,21

119:23

120:3

121:13,19

123:15

124:3,6

125:12

126:18,23

127:11

127:16,19,22

129:6

132:4

133:10

importance

86:24

improper

121:9

inadequate

75:3,7

inadequately

70:15

Inc

1:6 3:12

4:7

included

132:2

incompliance

13:8

Incorporated

23:2,5

24:18

indeed

34:6

INDEX

2:1

indicate

72:8

indicated

67:23

70:20

71:11,16

72:1

74:9

indictment

120:9

Indirectly

101:20

industry

20:19

102:21

127:9,12

information

35:17

initially

83:8

initials

82:8

inject

42:4

inkling

20:1

inner

73:17

inquire

120:23

inside

20:2,3

26:19

27:16,16

30:10,11

32:1,16

37:19

43:15

44:24

45:17

45:19

46:9,22

48:12,19,20,23

51:14

52:19,23

half

81:18

hall

10:10

61:3

Keefe

Reporting

Company

57:1,3

60:17

64:1

83:11,20

103:19

105:13,24

106:5,7

106:9,12,12,17

109:15

inspect

16:21

17:4

17:13

21:12

70:22

101:14

105:4

inspected

17:3

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104:23

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119:23

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110:7,9

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24:15

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94:10

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96:9

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96:4,11,14

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104:18

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109:1

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63:2

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109:21

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131:1

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8:20

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119:3

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14:19 38:2

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49:21

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46:9,24

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92:2

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81:15

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83:22

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83:24

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114:19

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47:22,23,24

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58:3,16

58:20

59:1,19,22

60:6,9,13

1:7,8

61:14,14,17

62:6

81:24

84:10

91:5

92:23

93:3,8,9,13

99:24

106:21,23

107:24

109:9,11

110:17

114:17,18

115:22,23

116:4

116:13

117:5,11

117:12

129:5,10

129:14

130:2

pictures

6:4

46:7

62:8

99:4,9

106:19

110:6

piece

40:22

48:2

52:19

55:8 83:15

83:23

84:7

110:8,9

110:15

129:23

pieces

47:11

49:15

50:4

51:12

pink

116:14

place

20:16

32:6

73:6

90:24

91:17

111:8

134:7,9

placed

30:11

58:11

70:14

122:15

placing

32:15

83:14

83:15,17

Plains

15:11

plan

63:4

plaster

36:11,12,16

36:22

37:6

65:3

94:3

plastic

29:8,15,20

29:23

32:16

33:12

48:8,12,21

49:19

50:3,13

52:5,20

55:8,19

60:15,16

78:13,17,17

81:24

82:5

83:14,16

125:8

plate

114:24

plea

120:10

please

5:2 7:18

8:2

29:22

86:23

128:3

plug

108:11

plus

53:8

71:22

point

20:24

42:19

50:1 72:17

80:4

105:2

123:18

124:6

points

29:12

police

114:10

policy

22:18

Pollution

1:1

3:2,3

4:5,16

20:12

Pollutions

15:2

poor

75:6

poorly

75:2

portion

84:22

positive

36:19

37:6

38:4,11

39:16

40:17

57:16

100:19

112:13

121:18

128:20

131:18,19

possibility

113:22

possible

74:20

possibly

119:2

powder

59:11,13,16

59:17

power

63:17

107:12

PPA

11:19

PPE

26:7,8

practice

44:11,12,17

44:19

preceding

93:8

115:23

prefer

7:11

preliminary

5:19

presence

70:17

80:2

93:19

101:1

present

3:17

4:10

29:5

51:21

55:9,12

55:18

56:6

57:24

59:17

60:5,20,2

64:

14,16

65:10

71:21

96:23

Presently

30:6

pressure

18:23

50:5

108:6,7,21,23,24

125:4

pretty

88:22

89:1

90:23

102:21

108:21

123:21,21

61:2

previously

37:20

primarily

87:5

prior

9:23

18:2

19:10

31:9

47:17

47:18

68:24

87:3

101:15

102:23

103:5

104:14

105:16

112:1

122:3

prison

120:15

probably

67:2 68:2

99:2

103:8

116:4

problem

62:21,22

63:3

105:15,17

106:4,6

problems

45:16,18

46:3

procedural

4:24

procedure

11:2

19:20

procedures

11:2

proceed

75:6

proceedings

1:11

4:1,20

134:9

process

23:16

91:22

produced

7:21

professional

31:16

35:4

39:1,4,14

47:13

profile

58:17,19,22

58:23

59:23

programs

120:17

project

2:13

4:13

17:10

21:12

24:19

25:1,6,22

30:16

69:12

projects

16:6,2

17:4,13,21,24

18:7

18:9

prompted

111:2

proof

34:5 119:23

proper

11:1,2,19,19

Keefe

Reporting

Company

13:747:1458:9

quick

106:22

reflected70:17

99:3,7

100:4

result39:9

114:6

62:9,11

74:24

quickie

105:18

refresh

118:22

121:24

122:4

131:17

properly

34:19

63:8

quickly

79:16

refresher

12:2,5

removing

16:8

results

36:18,24

107:15,21

130:8

quiet

90:24

14:8

23:10

32:22

33:5

37:22

42:10

69:14

Protection

6:23

quite

94:20

refreshers

68:1

34:22

47:17

55:1

126:3,6

14:21

64:3

132:18

regard88:19

110:18

62:14,15

64:13

resume2:12

8:18

protective26:9,10

R______

regarding4:12

66:5,8

79:20

81:4

9:2,839:7,19

26:2127:2344:4,5

RACM84:2485:5

10:24

119:24

81:15

106:7,8

retaining9l:12

71:12,2073:6

90:4

113:7,9

regular

21:4

130:19

renovation

16:4

reverse

109:24

protocol

15:23

rafters5l:11,13,15

regulated

6:17

19:2

17:10,19,20,24

revised24:11

proved

113:9

52:2,8,12

19:4,15

24:24

18:3,7,9

19:10

right

20:2,13

27:16

provided45:8

73:9

ran

89:4

30:22

31:4,7

32:11

24:6

25:22

63:23

46:4

54:3,24

56:8

provoked70:21

range

93:19

113:23

34:1,4,22

42:12

87:4

56:16

64:10

68:16

pry

53:22

54:7,12

rather

78:3

97:20

43:18

48:6,18

renovations

17:16

70:7,10,18

71:4,7

55:2,3,6

101:2

121:1

75:16

84:21

Repeat75:5

72:375:476:2

public

1:16

4:10

Raymond

3:10

5:6

112:18

128:22

report

2:16

22:14,15

79:18

80:13

81:13

134:5,17

read42:9,10

74:16

regulation

21:14

22:19

25:17,19,21

81:23

84:11,22

pulled

125:10,11

reading

95:1

75:15,22

76:10

41:6

42:11

46:11

85:2,7,10

86:10,15

pulverized

18:22

ready

92:10,13,19

78:24

46:12

64:21

65:23

88:1,7,22

90:7

50:5

real

106:22

regulations

10:23

65:24

69:17

70:6

91:13

92:8,16,18

pump

107:20,20

realize 58:12

13:9

16:10

20:12

74:17

84:21

87:15

93:5

94:8,22

96:15

pumping

107:21

realized

35:3

98:21

45:8

76:8,13,16,19

93:22

94:21

95:21

96:18,22

100:4

purpose

4:18

28:8

really

85:24

86:20

76:23

77:4,6,10,14

97:8

100:17

101:3,16,23

102:2

29:15

84:2

112:8

119:14

131:16,21

77:15

78:21

126:24

127:13

103:1,4,19

107:3

112:10

reason

22:22

40:4,4

regulatory

73:1

128:7

107:18

112:7,15

purposes85:10,14

40:11

71:16

75:4,876:1

reported36:2

87:14

115:16,18

116:14

87:17

93:7

100:23

119:14

rehabilitations

94:21

117:8,18

121:22

pursuant

4:21,23

131:21

120:17

reporter

7:19

128:2

127:6

129:21

push

108:12

reasons

64:8

reiterate

16:20

134:6

right-hand

116:3,17

put

16:16

26:7,21

recall

9:8 64:18

6:17

13:20

REPORTING

3:19

ring

111:17

27:2244:671:12

76:14

111:21,22

14:917:2023:12

reportsl5:4

rings43:991:12,12

72:1

81:13

91:18

122:22,23

123:24

25:21

77:4

represent

5:5

91:14

92:20

121:24

124:1

release

68:17,18

representation

rinse

73:20

putting

68:23

91:24

receive 113:17

released

69:8

70:17

90:13

rock

36:8

125:4

120:4

releases

108:12

reputation

101:22

roll

91:7

p.m

1:21

4:8

received

67:22

releasing

22:4,10

102:21

room

1:16

27:14,17

P.03:4,14

69:1097:7

68:15

69:2

request64:5

27:18,20,2128:1,2

receiving

71:3

relevance

118:8

requested

16:18

28:3,4,6,7,13,18

recognize

114:18

relevant

119:11

require

18:9,11

22:7

28:20,21,22

29:1

qualifications

39:4

recollection

103:16

remaining

66:20

required

13:2

16:4

30:21

31:23

32:1

qualified38:14

103:17

remarks20:17

32:944:662:12

37:1738:740:3

39:11,22

recommended

79:11

remember4l:14

68:2

70:10

75:15

43:13

44:4

47:7

qualify

39:8

record

4:9,19

5:3,19

80:5

105:5

106:2

75:22

76:15,17,21

49:13,19

51:17,19

quality74:2275:7

6:10

8:3

26:11

111:9,11,15

123:1

79:3

56:17

71:23,24

79:8

27:2

38:21

64:20

123:4,6,8

requirement

12:23

73:7,17,18,23,24

quarter

66:22

101:10,12

115:2

remembered

112:3

14:4,12

18:2,4,4

74:1,7

81:9

82:24

question38:15

118:14,16

119:18

remind67:15

22:5

73:1,3

83:6,7,9,10

89:3

39:11,12

41:15

119:20,22

121:7

remnants

52:7

requirements

15:19

89:10,11,17

90:23

48:7

75:13

98:22

132:9,11

133:2

removal

17:6,7,7

76:1

91:2

97:10,21,24

118:11,20

119:2,6

records

102:22

21:13,17,18,19,19

reserve

7:11

98:2,4,24

99:5,22

119:10

120:21

rectangular27:4

32:5

45:6

66:11

resetting

105:7

116:16

117:1,9,10

122:21

123:17

Redirect

2:8

124:10

68:20

69:5,9

respect

67:22

121:20

132:19

124:4

127:18,20

127:3

remove

31:11

47:14

Respondent

5:9

rooms

27:6

35:1

128:1

refer

100:15

62:9,11,13

67:3

Respondent’s4:12

54:23

97:15

98:6,9

questioning

34:9

reference

93:7

73:5

132:22,22

98:15,17

99:10,13

118:1

referred

56:19

removed

6:19

7:3,4

response

71:2

75:9

99:16,20,23,23

questions

8:1

17:20

84:14

85:21

10:10

24:13

25:1

responsibilities

15:8

100:1,6

116:11

67:5,9,1878:1,3

108:10

31:7

33:7

36:13

responsible

15:12

routinely

88:4

120:4,5

124:7,11

referring

18:17

37:21

47:16

56:24

rest

56:19

rules

4:22,24

78:4

132:1

112:14

65:466:2070:14

restrictionsl6:16

118:3

Keefe

Reporting

Company

run85:17

115:13

114:11

126:20,24

short67:13

soluble

130:23

spray

107:6,7,18

rungs

32:2

126:24

128:7

shorthand

134:6,8

131:8

108:3

125:13,15

running

107:21

schools

10:24

134:11

solution

13 1:2

125:23

130:2

115:5

scratch

40:9

shot

115:24

some

9:6

17:19

22:2

sprayed

32:19

33:1

seal

43:8

80:11

shovel

32:9

28:23

38:8

45:1,16

33:2

47:8

55:15

91:18

show22:341:647:l

48:1952:363:24

84:895:2496:21

S 111:8

sealed

43:7 80:11,17

50:2 68:14

109:12

67:21,24

68:5

96:24

109:22

same57:18,2165:8

91:1192:7

110:19

77:1279:1581:24

110:23,24125:18

65:14,1587:10

sealing83:16

showedl03:24

82:1,684:1085:6

125:19

89:1,790:10,16

seat7:18

shower27:1728:1,3

96:14

106:18

sprayed-on

56:23

98:17

109:20

second

3:9

27:7

32:4

28:4,6,9,13,14,15

109:16

110:7

84:15,22

85:1,5

116:2

126:16

35:3

37:16

42:17

28:17,19

29:3

44:8

130:14

86:2

90:5

95:23

sample33:2437:9

44:946:2251:1

44:8,1671:2472:2

somebody4l:11

96:3

109:2,3

37:16,17,18

38:4,5

54:18,21

58:14

72:5,9,12,18,23

70:23

100:9

110:10

40:10,16,20,21,23

60:2

64:12

73:17

73:2,11,12,2074:2

something

20:2,3,22

sprayer

63:19

41:11,15,20,21,23

73:22

74:5 88:20

74:3,7

106:16

64:1

69:18,22

70:1

106:23

107:3,6,9

42:2,3,7,10,20,22

88:21

89:9,19

115:14

78:7 83:23

86:21

107:12

108:22

43:3,5

44:2

57:15

104:6

109:14

showing

8:24

95:12

105:8,9,10

125:17

82:1,13,16,20,23

117:2,4,5

shown

56:22

70:9

106:3

126:20

sprayers

106:20

83:4

85:15,17,22

Secretary

114:23

shows

47:9

131:4

sprays

107:17

86:1,14,21,22,24

Sections

4:23

side

26:3 27:13

sometimes

19:23

spray-on

17:8

30:23

87:6,2288:10,17

see5l:1272:16

110:1,2,23,24

20:771:2285:11

32:2335:547:15

88:1990:1,9,20

80:20

82:7

93:24

111:1

115:11,24

soon38:18

48:5

53:7

56:12

92:693:1,3,5,12

104:21

105:11

116:3,7,8,10118:1

sorry5l:7,754:8

61:11,19

62:22

94:4,4,1795:2

107:24

108:9,15

siding36:9

56:9

58:4

82:22

129:16,17,21,23

98:23

113:17,18

108:17

109:3,14

sign

116:15

94:10

117:24

Springfield

3:5,9,15

114:6

117:3,4,10

109:15,16

110:7,7

significance

114:1

sort9l:4

92:19

5:9

10:2

132:18,23

121:19

126:3,9

110:9,11,11,14,15

significantl08:21

117:4

square

1:16

18:12

129:2130:7

115:10116:2

similar88:17

sounded7l:17

18:1325:227:5

131:17

seeing23:981:2,12

simple44:13

sounds20:1797:16

31:635:667:1

sampled83:1794:2

seem

86:17

109:9

since9:11

118:23

123:20

99:24

112:18

sampler

69:4,19

124:20

sinks

100:5

source

63:19

108:19

squirting

108:17

70:3

seemedl06:24

sir25:2064:7,11

115:16

Stl:154:1424:21

samples

13:7

15:5

seems77:12

70:11

71:5,8,10

South

3:9,14

134:3

36:21

37:1,5,12,13

seen23:1640:14

72:13,1575:5

southeast97:23

stacked9l:3

37:15,23,2438:1,3

42:19

47:12

95:16

76:14

84:5

86:16

104:24

stage47:10

38:11,15

39:15

107:10

125:23

88:11

91:9 94:23

Southern

111:4

stairs32:733:5

41:1846:1069:5,6

send

132:19

96:5,8,16

100:7

southwest

30:21

58:20

59:4,12

69:11,14,17,21

sent90:16

107:4

110:3,13

37:1740:2,347:7

stairwell32:5

58:11

82:21

87:5,13

94:7

sentenced

120:15

113:11

116:10

49:13

50:24

51:19

standard44:17,19

94:16,18

95:20

separates

28:6

site

6:24 19:23,24

56:17

81:9

83:6,7

123:18

97:2,9,13,16

98:18

Service

94:1

25:4,12,24

26:14

89:3,10,17,18

98:1

standards

15:20

100:23

112:8,9

Services

1:6

3:12

26:17

47:1

65:11

98:2

70:10

76:1,4

113:3,6,8,11,12,13

4:7

5:10 23:1,5,8

66:1,5,10,17,20

Southwestern

111:8

stands

15:19

125:23

126:10

23:14

24:17

69:4 70:22

91:20

speak77:12,13

staples

29:14

128:10,13,16,19

101:14

112:1

92:17

95:20

128:3

Start

128:4

131:18

116:5

101:15

111:10,12

speaking68:16

started9:16

12:17

sampling38:1469:4

serving74:11

111:14,19112:22

81:16

13:1132:1966:7

69:5,15

70:4,12,17

set 20:13

69:10

sites

15:22

special

10:12

66:10,11

67:23

83:14

87:2,9,10,19

134:8

sitting9l:793:4

Specialist8:13

88:7

122:5,7,10

88:19

125:13

seven36:2337:1,3,5

situation46:4

specific

8:10

18:16

Stat38:2

saw7:2,625:426:4

94:7

122:12

105:15

132:16

78:1

112:10

statel:53:75:5,7

31:20

32:10,17

Seventh3:14

situations

79:16

123:17

6:14,21

7:15

8:2

33:5,17

34:24

several36:5 47:10

sizes3l:1

47:11

specifically45:10

13:8

24:23

52:11

36:13

47:1

53:13

shades

109:18

smack

91:5

112:5

126:11

53:8,13

61:4

77:16

64:13

81:9

104:7,7

sheet

36:8,8

55:19

small3S:2

49:15

130:24

114:24

134:2,18

104:9

130:5

sheeting29:9,10,16

50:4

speed

114:21

stated4l:20

126:8

saying

81:6

111:22

29:21,23

48:12,21

soap

20:19

131:11

spell 8:3

statement

6:12

7:9

123:1

49:19

50:4,13

131:12

spoke26:15,20

7:12

says

34:14

41:7 94:4

125:9

soggy

52:16

44:22

45:24

64:24

states

13:14

40:7

Keefe

Reporting

Company

State’s23:1,12

113:1

121:16

techniques69:4

91:15

95:15

103:7

105:11,16

stating

122:23

122:1,12

132:13

tell9:1

52:7,896:8

104:13

109:11

tooken45:3

step 91:22

surface

35:6

109:2

97:3

109:5 110:20

121:13,17

122:7

tool4O:2442:4

stick

80:12

surfaces

40:9

122:14

123:9

127:4

54:14

86:3

still32:251:1252:2

surfacing4l:1

42:4

telling78:13

101:8

third38:3,543:5

tools

86:12

52:4

53:8 56:5

surprise

20:8

112:17

123:6

57:15 113:17

top

33:5 49:18

54:12

61:6,11

64:2

67:15

surprised

126:2,5

tells

24:12

31:5

117:10

81:24

84:2

86:2

81:21

87:10 106:7

suspect43:17

87:7

ten

16:18 25:13

Thomas3:15

5:8

91:7

93:4

113:24

116:2

100:12,15,18

119:13

121:8

though

56:6

60:20

torn30:2435:247:8

121:6

101:3

112:14

128:16

97:24

47:10

49:16,17

stipulate

5:21

suspected

84:21

term

17:9 19:4

34:4

thought4l:21

42:11

50:20

51:11 54:13

stockpiling92:19

112:18

68:8,13

122:22,23

43:22 90:12

59:14

61:19

stop

42:20 72:11

suspicions

20:14

122:24

123:9,19

105:23,24

total

99:12

stopped33:1963:18

swear7:19

127:8

thoughtsl06:6

touch56:362:19

stops

114:10

sworn

7:21

test

11:5,7,8,10,13

three

37:13,14,23,24 toward

89:21

storage

7:4

38:8,9

system

107:3,10

36:4,18

68:2

69:1

38:1,12

95:20

trailers

116:5

43:2

117:19

85:6,18

97:17,18,19

98:12

trained87:11

store28:23

111:16

IL______

tested 14:635:7,8,9

98:13,14

112:9

training

10:13

11:16

stored

37:20

38:8

tagged

92:14,15

35:12 36:6,15

37:1

113:12

120:11

11:18,19,20

12:11

43:11

take

10:19 11:4,16

37:24

38:2

57:16

through4:23

6:9

12:21

13:10,13,20

storing43:3,12

11:23

12:3,4,7,20

testified

7:22

100:23

13:14

19:20

21:3

14:18,22,23

15:7

48:24

49:1

56:12

13:3,7

14:5 20:22

104:15

121:17

21:10 23:15

30:10

62:12

67:22,24

story29:8

27:2236:2237:12

126:17

39:1441:1,644:3

68:5,22

stoves

100:5

37:14

40:1044:16

testify7:5

120:6

44:862:867:20,20

trainings68:8,9

straight2l:4

117:16

45:546:667:9,12

testifying

6:21

39:8

67:24

72:2

73:11

transcript

1:11

4:1

117:17

69:2073:1586:1

95:3

74:778:1980:9

134:11

straightened

120:18

86:14

99:4 100:12

testimony39:741:5

106:15,15,15

transite36:9

street

3:9,14,19

106:18

56:19 62:9

67:21

107:18 117:16

transportation

27:22

taken38:540:3

68:1271:1677:12

120:13

strenuously

117:24

41:16

46:2

48:22

78:2,7

95:22

throughout

36:11

treated

75:19

stricken4l:12

48:2349:1250:23

104:14108:2

65:3

112:20,22

Strike75:12

51:18

52:22,23

127:11

thumb

108:12

tried

130:18

struck

127:21,22

54:16,17,20

57:15

tests

12:10,13

thumbnail

105:18

trouble

63:17

stuff

80:18

84:8,9

61:24

67:13 69:17

textured

36:10,12

Thursday

1:20

troubled

113:17

subject

87:18

72:9 82:21,23

83:1

36:15

65:3 84:8,13

ticket

114:11

troweled

33:1

subjective

122:24

87:6 88:20

90:13

94:3

tier

16:1

truck

107:20,22

123:9,21,23

93:9

121:20

thank7:767:6

tight43:7

47:20

114:19

115:3,11

submitted

24:20

128:17

114:13

120:3

80:11

116:3

87:24 93:23,23

takes

41:2

42:5

69:5

132:5

133:9,10

tile

17:6,6,7,7

18:14

true

103:11

subsequently

96:4

taking

5:15

15:5,5

Thanks

87:22

36:7,7,10

truthfully

120:6

substance

84:10

32:6

77:21

83:15

114:23

ti1193:24

123:13

trying2l:246:3,4

substantial

95:3

85:21

their5:228:23,23

time

5:1 9:7

10:16

77:11,15,21

98:20

substrate22:3

talked

13:17

17:23

29:2

36:18 41:18

11:23

25:11

26:19

103:7

127:1,20

sucks30:10

107:17

106:16

124:13

45:373:694:3,24

32:440:844:3

tubing8o:15

suddenly

98:21

125:6,12

97:2,9

98:5

101:22

61:22

63:22

64:14

turn

39:9

52:14

sufficient68:14

talking39:5

55:22

102:18

107:9

70:480:4,2481:1

72:14

74:3

suggest

114:5

65:5

81:8 87:1

116:5

122:11

81:9

96:4,11

104:6

turned33:13

suggesting

102:12

95:8

126:9

105:14

108:5,6,20

two 6:16

14:22,24

suit20:644:6,9

tan

33:14

61:12

themselves80:7,14

108:20

112:12

16:1

27:429:7,7,8

suits44:10

109:19,20

thin

84:13

119:1

128:4

30:7

38:3,12

39:16

supervisor

14:9

tank

114:19 115:7

thing

30:20 45:3

132:13,20

134:7,9

44:10

70:20

71:12

19:23

26:13

tape43:8

80:18

103:15

121:15

times20:1,9

44:14

71:17,19

74:12

103:18

105:22

85:11

91:7,12,16

things

13:18

67:19

69:679:17

94:24

76:19

87:23

94:16

supervisors

68:1

taped

91:15,23

77:21

78:292:2

96:7 104:7

118:22

98:6,15,17

99:10

supervisor’s

13:23

taping

92:2

100:3,4,6

106:16

today

6:14,21

7:5

104:6

109:18

14:2

taught62:12

114:21

124:12

22:2223:1397:8

111:24113:8,10

supply72:12

115:3

teaches

11:1

13:6

think22:21

39:13

133:2

113:11

115:8

supposed

25:1

tear 52:11

54:15

58:2

64:10

66:13

toilets

100:5

type

17:10,12

21:13

sure 74:23

89:10

55:17

71:15

74:4

78:2

told 26:5,6

42:19,22

33:15

63:3

65:8,15

100:24

108:4,19

tearing32:11

82:1,7

86:17

87:12

45:15

88:9 105:3

81:2,4,12

110:10

Keefe

Reporting

Company

types

24:10

vehicle

26:2

104:18

watching

55:17

69:14,17

70:2,9,20

wide 99:23

typical

19:20

versus4:6

19:15

water32:1933:6,15

71:12

74:10,22

window36:9

40:23

33:20

40:8

45:14

76:6

80:5

81:15,16

windows

29:12

very32:19 39:12

47:17

49:7

50:6

81:20

82:21

83:1

witness2:5

7:14

U 53:21

54:2

40:6 47:2

77:18

51:4,20

53:10

86:1,24

87:13,14

8:21

23:24

39:23

Uh-huh

115:12

79:16

95:1

102:7

55:13,14,15,18,20

92:13,18

94:19

41:8 53:21

54:4

unaware

121:23

Victor

53:18

56:6

57:9,24

59:9

97:6

98:10

99:23

67:16

78:5

101:7

under

63:14

67:15

view20:18

61:15

60:5,20,21

63:2,19

99:24

100:5,6

102:3,5

115:1

76:18

77:5

118:11

78:19

110:13

63:21,24

68:13

101:19

102:7,13

118:11

119:2,16

124:21

125:3

116:7

71:21

72:12

106:11

109:7

120:1,4,5

121:5,12

underneath

43:1

vigorously 32:20

107:17,20,21,22

111:24

112:2,13

124:1,8

132:7,22

55:684:6,17

violating79:3

108:1,3,13,18,19

113:2,3,7,14,16

132:22

understand

17:2

violation75:4,876:7

108:21

109:3,6,12

114:12115:4

witnessed7:1

34:13

68:11

92:18

76:13

78:21

102:2

109:15,17,21

120:11

124:3

wonder

105:21,22

102:13

118:7

102:23

114:19

115:3,5,7

128:16

132:13

wondering

67:9

understanding

violations

6:16,16

115:15

129:24

weren’t

33:6

45:14

112:2

77:22

7:1 44:23

103:6,12

130:3,9,15,19

113:16

126:2,5

word 127:13,14

understood

101:21

103:13

131:4,16,22

west26:3,327:6,12

wore7l:19

United

13:14

visible

78:12

115:21

watering

42:23

56:15

89:4

116:10

work

9:3,24

10:14

unitsl7:1

116:13

Waterloolll:17

wet6:177:3,421:21

11:1263:1867:23

Unknown96:5

visit70:16

101:15

waters22:2

22:8,933:1647:18

72:1775:679:14

until 12:16

102:17

102:18

Watt

111:21

50:10

51:24

52:4,9

80:10

83:2

116:5

112:12

132:17

visiting

111:11

way28:11

39:941:2

52:13,16

55:20

122:11

update

8:17

vs 1:5

41:13

47:14

62:9

56:2,7

60:18,22

worked

10:1,9,9

upstairs8l:14

89:22

62:11

63:20

67:22

61:1,962:14,15,16

worker

10:3,5,8

115:14

74:383:21,22

62:1763:4,15,23

11:17,2412:8,16

use9:8

28:15

30:4

W2:12

8:4

86:14

87:11,22

64:4,6,9

68:9,13

27:22

33:1754:1472:22

waitl23:13

90:1094:4,11

68:22,23

110:20

workers33:545:7

73:2

86:15

87:9,10

walk

19:20

105:19

110:12

122:24

123:19

62:13

73:2

88:6

106:20

127:9

walked

83:8

100:16

111:2

130:18,21

worker’s

10:15,18

130:24

131:13

106:15

ways

70:21

wetted

60:4

70:15

10:20

12:5

13:1

used

17:9

19:4

29:20

walking

104:23

wearing44:10

130:8,16

14:6

30:1,15

40:24

wa1133:348:3

50:12

Webb3:54:4

wetting2l:20,22,23

working9:23

12:17

58:12

63:20

73:15

55:4,5

61:11

84:18

week

11:12

14:22,24

21:24

22:1

52:6

12:21

13:2042:20

86:4

87:3

90:17

85:9

89:4

90:6

46:10

62:23

63:3

75:2

76:7,12

79:11

91:18

107:10

110:6

weight

39:22

we’ll

39:21

67:12

107:15

108:3,20

123:20

walls29:11

78:13

well2l:6

39:18

86:8

103:11

world

20:9,11,15

127:8,12,14

125:5

91:294:2499:2

we’re22:2323:13

78:19

uses

88:4

want

20:11

34:8,16

100:3

103:10

39:5

47:24

54:5

wouldn’t

63:9

64:9

using32:434:4

34:1867:20,20

123:8

90:3

68:17,1879:20

45:14

71:17

107:2

79:20

81:22

84:9

went

15:12,17,18

we’ve

118:18

119:21

105:21

111:15

115:4

122:22

90:22

92:5

118:16

25:4

26:2

28:17

126:23

129:12

114:5

117:10

130:22

wanted

81:14

85:4

32:444:3,8

70:1

whatnot

106:19

writing

54:8

82:6

usually

15:23,24

113:1

121:16

72:2

73:21

74:7

whatsoever

38:22

wrong40:11

74:13

16:1

18:14

19:8,22

129:5

95:19

104:2

39:643:2451:5

74:1786:21

20:5,628:22

29:14

wants20:22

106:14,15

111:3

while6:18

9:13

113:24

33:14,1543:8,11

wasn’t72:20

80:24

117:4

11:16

13:20,23

wrote

68:15

100:17

69:387:2,6125:17

88:992:10,16

were9:13,2010:4

16:11,2146:9,21

utilize74:2

98:20,23

105:12

11:16,22

12:2,8,10

55:16

61:5

62:14

U.S

120:13

108:4,21

119:13

12:15,15

14:8 15:8

62:15

68:23

77:7

yeah

6:2 21:7

43:6

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3:13

16:8,9,11,15,21

86:7

45:11

54:7

58:7

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17:1,1221:10

white48:452:10

67:1175:1780:16

53:17,18

5:9 23:1,5,8,14,18

29:24

32:22 34:21

53:6

56:5

59:11

97:19

102:4

107:5

vacuum30:10,11

24:17

30:1,15

36:18,2437:20,22

61:10

63:10

84:8

107:8

111:11

80:12,12

31:1064:566:4

42:16,1743:2,12

109:1

116:14,18117:9

variations

17:6

101:14102:16,16

44:1045:16,17

white/tan36:11

121:15

122:2

various

10:11

31:1

103:8

111:24

48:24

49:1

52:13

whole

15:13,13

125:11

133:5

42:5

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116:4

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55:1

56:14

60:1,1

20:19

29:7

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12:7

14:10

107:10

130:18

63:2,17

64:12,17

48:11

65:8,16,19

16:13,14,17

25:9

varying

125:23

watched

61:4

66:1 68:11,16

97:16

105:15

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12:4

Keefe

Reporting

Company

years40:696:l,22

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118:23

119:13

22:1324:4,5

82:21

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4pll5:23

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2nd66:12,13

132:17

4q114:22

90 114:12

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14:3,11

4s81:23

85:16

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2037:2

94:6

101:7

4th

6:24

25:8 26:1

10:6

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126:6

29:642:1666:2,21

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2:5,12

6:22

2005

2:14

6:24

79:13

97:6

130:9

7:16,17,20

8:2,4,6

25:10

26:1

29:6

4u54:1,6,11

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21:9

22:24

42:16

65:24

66:2

4v53:16

34:20

39:14

41:20

70:2 101:18

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90:23,23

41:22

59:21

64:19

2006

6:15

56:9,22,22

57:19

67:14,1977:7

2009

1:20 123:12

938

114:11

117:21

2012

134:20

4:35

132:12

119:9

121:1,19

2173:6,11,16

4:36

133:11

132:6

123:22

40 10:19,21,22

11:8

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39:19

123:12

11:12,15

81:18

zebra93:8

24183:14

40-hour67:24

zero94:17

2537:294:5,6,14

4021:16

Z-A-P-P-A8:5

95:11

126:6

129:3

44th

3:19

277-0190

3:21

477 10:2

280

18:11

—

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29 1:20

29th4:7

52:16

6:9 35:23,24

38:4

64:22

70:7

01 82:11

93:19

94:18

95:11

0582:10

32:1425:15,16

113:19

07-45

1:7 4:6

46:13

70:6

82:16

5,000

27:6

82:20,23

92:7

93:3

5040:6

95:24

96:22

121:20

130:7

50-year-old

40:7

12:126:99:1,2

3rd

66:12,14,15

500

3:9

95:14

19:13

82:14,16,21

122:8

113:23

114:8

82:24

83:4

87:23

3-by-3

28:5

524-8509

3:6

93:19

94:18

95:5

30 114:12

544-3403

3:16

113:19,22,23

332:15

46:8

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114:2,3

128:23

46:8

38:8,8

43:3,15

129:3

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4:14

6:19

47:19

56:11

57:3

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66:6

23:16

24:21

25:7

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58:13

1:30

1:21 4:8

25:22

26:3,3

27:2

60:1

10 1:16

132:17

29:6

36:4

10,000

27:5

10-day

18:4

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62:12,13,14,15,16

101.6004:23

4 2:15

6:3 46:17,19

6,700

112:18

101.632

4:24

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25:2

31:6

35:6

10213:4

81:2082:1085:15

67:1

11 3:19

65:24

101:16,18

618

3:21

12-by-12

17:6,7

4a46:18

47:4,6

62220

1:17

36:7

57:2481:10,13

622263:20

120

16:14

4aa57:12,12

92:24

62705

3:15

124

2:8

4b58:3

62706

3:9

13073:14

4bb58:5

627943:5

160 18:11

4d58:4

2:7

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2:14

4dd59:20,24

109:13

123:16

129:7

192743:4

4e48:15,16

75114:3

1970118:23

4ee61:13

782-10903:11

1995

120:7

4f49:11,12,14

—

19998:169:11,17

4g51:6,7

12:16,16

4gg

46:19

107:4

82:6

134:20

Keefe

Reporting

Company