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ILLINOIS

POLLUTION

CONTROL BOARD

FOX

MORAINE,

L.L.C.,

Petitioner,

vs.

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PCB 07-146

UNITED

CITY

YORKVILLE,

CITY

COUNCIL,

)

CLF!RFS

OPPICE

Respondent,

KENDALL

COUNTY

)

STATE

ILLiNOIS

PoHuton

Control

Board

Intervenor.

TRANSCRIPT

OF PROCEEDINGS

had

the

above-entitled

cause

on 22nd

day

April,

A.D.,

9:00

a.m.

BEFORE:

BRADLEY

HALLORAN,

Hearing

Officer

Illinois

Pollution

Control

Board

James

Thompson

Center,

Suite 11-500

100

West

Randolph

Street

Chicago,

Illinois

60601

312-814-8917

Page 2

APPEARANCES:

MUELLER,

ANDERSON, P.C.,

609

Etna Road

Ottawa, Illinois 61350

MR. GEORGE MUELLER,

and

HINSHAW

CULBERTSON, LLP,

100 Park Avenue

P.O. Box 1389

Rockford, Illinois 61105-1389

815-490-4900

MR. RICHARD

PORTER,

appeared on behalf

of the

Petitioner;

WILDMAN, HARROLD, ALLEN

DIXON, LLP,

“

225 West

Wacker Drive

Chicago, Illinois 60606-1229

312-201-2537

MR. ANTHONY

HOPP,

MR. LEO P. DOMBROWSKI,

appeared

on behalf of the City of

Yorkville;

Page 3

APPEARANCES

(cont’d.):

MOMKUS

McCLUSKEY, LLC,

1001 Warrenville Road

Suite

500

Lisle,

Illinois 60532

630-434-0400 Ext. 164

JAMES

HARKNESS,

appeared

on behalf of the Intervenor.

REPORTED BY:

SHARON

BERKERY, C.S.R.

CERTIFICATE NO. 84-4327.

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or down vote

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from the condition. So whether or not the

remote contingent condition were

appropriately handled has nothing

to do

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the straight

or down vote.

The testimony in the argument on

the conditions was

not relevant, therefore,

we believe,

the straight

or down vote.

And we

ask that it

stricken, and no

further evidence on the conditions or how

they were handled

allowed.

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OFFICER:

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Mr. Hopp.

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ARDEN

PLOCHER,

called

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MUELLER:

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you

state

your

full

name,

please?

Arden

Joseph

Plocher.

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Plocher,

you’re

Yorkville

city

alderman?

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were

you

elected

that

position?

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two

years

ago.

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2007?

Yes.

you

are

your

first

term?

Correct.

2006

and

the

early

part

2007,

you

did

not

hold

public

office;

correct?

Page 13

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You were

just a

member of the public

and

citizen of the community?

Correct.

You were previously

candidate for

Kendall County Board; weren’t you?

Correct.

And that election took place in

November of 2006?

I believe so.

And

you

were defeated in that

election; correct?

Yes.

And it was after you lost that

election that

you

then declared your candidacy for

the city council

seat

being vacated

Alderman

Burd, who was

running for

mayor; is that

right?

Yes.

Do you remember on September

25th,

2006, attending

meeting of the Yorkville Plan

Commission that was held, I believe,

the junior

high school

gym,

with

rather large audience -

sitting in the bleachers,

discuss an issue of

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you

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Heather

Gillis

indicate

that she had

the

fax

wrong?

Heather Gillis

was often

misquoting

me, so

I really

don’t

read the

paper.

you

didn’t

call her?

No,

I wouldn’t

have

called her.

didn’t even

know

about

it.

Did

you

see

the

Beacon

News article

April

15th, two

days

before

the election,

where

the

cover story

was the Yorkville

candidates’

opinions

on the

landfill?

I have now.

You’ve

seen that

since?

Right.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Alderman,

will

you

please

keep your voice

up?

I’m sorry,

Mr. Mueller.

Keep you

voice

up.

THE

WITNESS:

No problem.

THE

HEARING

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you.

MR.

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Mr.

Halloran,

you’re

the

hearing officer,

you

don’t need

to be

sorry.

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there

any evidence

this

record

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the

proposed

Fox

Moraine

Landfill

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cause

disease

birth defects

to any

individual?

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HOPP:

Objection.

Deliberative

process.

MR.

MUELLER:

I’m

asking

THE

HEARING

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Again,

Mr.

Mueller

is just

asking

there’s

anyplace

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record

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the

alderman

saw.

MR.

HOPP:

I --

THE

HEARING

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may

be a

premature

objection.

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overruled.

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WITNESS:

don’t

recollect

there’s

an exact

sentence

that

way.

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All right.

Mr.

Plocher,

I’m going

hand

you

now

what

Fox

Moraine

Exhibit

No.

19, which

are

the

deliberations

and

the transcripts

the

vote

Page 29

May

24th.

Do you remember

being

that meeting?

Yes.

If I can direct your attention to

Page

28.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

What were we

looking

at,

Mr. Mueller?

MR.

MUELLER:

Fox Moraine Exhibit

No.

19, the transcript of the city council

final deliberations and vote.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Thank

you.

BY MR. MUELLER:

you

have that, Mr.

Plocher?

do.

Is that what

you

meant

(indicating)?

Yeah. And

do you see

where

you

start

making a

statement on Line 8?

Uh-huh.

And

this point

you

proposed some

additional conditions. Is that

correct?

Yes.

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flat

fee

instead of

tipping

fees;

correct?

Yes.

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THE HEARING OFFICER:

Thank

you,

Mr.

Mueller.

Mr. Hopp?

MR. HOPP: Yes, Hearing Officer.

CROSS-EXAIVIINATION

MR. HOPP:

Mr. Plocher -- Alderman

Plocher,

couple things.

Have

you

ever worn an

anti-landfill button

at a

landfill siting hearing or

an annexation hearing?

No.

That’s a no?

That’s

no.

At some point did you

do you -- at

some point,

did

you

live

your parents’ home?

Yes.

Are

you

aware of your parents ever

having an anti-landfill sign in their front yard or

back?

Not that I recollect.

Now, you said that you were elected in

April

‘07 and sworn in in May of

‘07;

is that

right?

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yard. I’ll admit that.

Did

you ever

direct

anybody to put

your signs next

anti-landfill signs?

No.

You’ve had

drinks

with Mr. Gilson

the

Kendall Pub?

Yes.

Have

you ever had

any drinks with

anyone

else

the Kendall Pub?

Oh, yeah.

Did you ever have

drinks with

Mr.

Mueller

the Kendall Pub?

I don’t think

so.

MR. HOPP:

That’s all I have.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Thank

you,

Mr.

Hopp.

Mr. Mueller?

REDIRECT

EXAMINATION

BY MR. MUEIjIER:

Just so that we’re clear,

there was

anti-landfill sign in your parents’ yard that

you

stuck there yourself; right?

No.

I thought that’s what

you

said?

Page 37

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

No,

that’s not what

he said.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

I don’t recall

that, Mr. Mueller.

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

It was his own sign.

MR. MUELLER: No further questions.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Thank

you.

MR. HOPP: That’s all.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Alderman, you

may

step

down.

Thank

you.

(WHEREUPON, the witness was

excused.)

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Can we

off the

record?

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Of f the record

for

second.

(WHEREUPON,

recess

was had.)

THE HEARING OFFICER:

All right.

We’re back on the record.

Before we have our next witness,

member of the public -- ma’am,

you

can

step

up to the podium. Would you

give an

oral statement? If

you

give an oral

statement, then you’re sworn

and

you’re

Page 38

subject to

cross-examination. Or you can

just

give public comment, anything

that’s

relevant in the matter.

MS. WOODWORTH:

This will

public

comment.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Okay.

Terrific.

Thank

you.

MS. WOODWORTH:

My name an

Alice

Woodworth.

ITve

been a

citizen of Kendall

County

for over

years.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Could you spell

you last name for the --

MS. WOODWORTH:

W-O-O-D-W-O-R-T-H.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Thank

you.

MS. WOODWORTH:

You highly-paid

lawyers are nitpicking and trying to

trip

people who are forced

take

days

off work

testify. If our future is determined

this nitpicking,

we Kendall County citizens

will all lose. It might

legal; however,

it’s offensive.

First of all, I believe the County

made

poor decision

allow landfills.

Then the City made

illegal, secret

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summary?

MR. MUELLER:

Of what his testimony is

going

be?

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Well, of who he

and --

MR. MUELLER:

He’s the City

Administrator right

now.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Okay.

MR. MUELLER:

And he has

opinions

about

the importance of this

landfill

case

politically that I think support the

applicant’s

case.

My argument,

though, is

that a

relevance objection ought

to be

reserved until we have heard the

evidence.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

I agree.

Objection overruled.

You may proceed, Mr.

Mueller.

(WHEREUPON, the witness was duly

sworn.)

BRENDAN McLAUGHLIN,

called as a

witness herein, having been first

duly

sworn, was examined and

testified

follows:

Page

DIRECT

EXAMINATION

MR.

MUELLER:

State

your

name,

please.

Brendan

McLaughlin.

What

is your

position?

the

City

Administrator.

How long

have

you

been

that

position?

Since

September

10th,

2007.

And prior

to that,

what

was

your

position?

worked

for

engineering

firm in

California.

You

have

become

familiar

with

the city

council

part

your

duties

City

Administrator?

some

degree.

Have

you

become

familiar

with

the

mayor?

Yes.

Have

you

become

familiar

with

the

dynamics

city

government?z

don’t

know

you

ever

become

fully

familiar,

but to

degree.

Page 43

And,

sir,

have

you

provided

information

the City’s attorneys, Gardner, Koch &

Weisberg, in another lawsuit, United

City

Yorkville versus Illinois

Environmental Protection

Agency

and Hamman Farms, PCB 08-95?

MR. HOPP: Objection. Relevance.

MR. MUELLER:

I’ll tie it

second, Mr. Halloran.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Overruled.

MR. HOPP: Also

privileged,

Your Honor. If he’s provided information

the City attorneys.

MR. MUELLER:

According

the

information that’s of record.

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

Okay.

Overruled.

BY MR. MUELLER:

You’ve

got to

answer the question,

Mr. McLaughlin?

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

You can answer

the question, if

you

remember.

BY THE WITNESS:

believe I forwarded billing

information from the City to

them.

Page

MR. MUELLER:

Did you

provide

any other information

them

that has

been

used by

them?

I don’t recall

any.

Did

you

tell

well, let me

this

way.

(WHEREUPON,

certain

documents

were

marked

Fox Moraine Exhibit

Nos. 29-30,

for identification,

of 4/22/09.)

MR. MUELLER:

Let me show

you

what’s been

marked

Fox Moraine

Exhibit No.

29 and

Fox Moraine Exhibit

No. 30.

MR. MUELLER:

This is

29,

Mr.

Halloran.

I’m sorry

I didn’t mark

extra

copy.

And this

copy of

30.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Thank

you.

(WHEREUPON,

the

document

was

tendered

counsel.)

BY MR. MUELLER:

Mr.

McLaughlin,

Exhibit No.

29 would

appear

the

first

page

pleading

entitled

Petitioner’s

Response

Motion

For Attorney

Fees

Page 45

Filed

the

City

Yorkville.

Does that

appear

you

be correct?

That’s the

first

time

I’ve seen

it.

That’s

the

first

time you’ve

seen

it?

I think

so.

All right.

Let’s

look

at --

MR. HOPP:

Objection.

Nonrelevance,

Your

Honor.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Yeah,

you

know

what,

I ruled

yesterday,

the -- I take

administrative

notice

or official

notice

the

orders and rulings

the Board and

also

the

Circuit

Court. I

would accept

the

pleadings

-- I would

not accept

the

pleadings.

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relevance.

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MUELLER:

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Halloran,

if I could

ask

you to

indulge me

for

just

one

moment

and

several

questions,

I think

I can

convince

you

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offering

this

for

the

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rather for

the content

statement

made

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McLaughlin.

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improper. It’s

got

nothing

to do

with the

motion.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

It has nothing

to do

with the motion?

MR. HOPP: Petition for

fees.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Oh.

MR. HOPP:

He probably

-- when he most

likely certified it -- we

only have half --

we have one page of

the pleading. What he

most likely

certified was the fact that the

bills the City received were

in fact --

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

You know what,

Mr. Mueller, I don’t feel comfortable

with

this, and I’m

going

grant Mr. Hopp’s

objection. I think we’re

going off on

another tangent

here.

I sustain

Mr. Hopp’s

objection.

MR. MUELLER:

Then I’d like that last

question

to be

answered

an offer

of proof,

whether he certified the

statement.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

One

question,

and then we’re

out.

MR. MUELLER:

Well, then let me reask

it to

cover the entire paragraph.

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The attorney wrote the pleading

THE HEARING OFFICER

Well, it was

about

five minutes,

Mr Hopp,

but

MR HOPP

I’ll rephrase

THE HEARING OFFICER

Thank

you

And

this is under an offer

of proof --

HOPP

Yes

THE HEARING OFFICER

-- combined with

Mr. Mueller

MR HOPP

This in reference to

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offer

of proof

MR. HOPP:

Did the motion include

some

information

about

attorneys

fees that the City had

been asked to pay

or had paid?

Oh, absolutely.

And you, as a City

Administrator, are

responsible

for collecting the

bills; is that right?

Part

of the duties, yeah.

Now, did

you

live

in Yorkville

the

time of the election in

2007?

No.

Did you

live in Yorkville

the time

of the

vote on the siting application?

Page

No,

I lived in

California.

MR. HOPP:

That

all

have.

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Why

did you

move

here?

Okay, we’re

out

the

offer

proof.

THE

WITNESS:

done?

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Is...

MR.

MUELLER:

I have

no redirect.

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

All

right.

Thank you.

Yeah,

you

may

step

down.

Thank

you,

sir.

THE

WITNESS:

Thank you.

(WHEREUPON,

the

witness was

excused.)

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

Alderman Munns

outside.

MR. PORTER:

Yes,

we are ready

for

Mr.

Munns.

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the

witness

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duly

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HOPP:

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OFFICER:

Overruled.

THE

WITNESS:

Yes.

MR.

PORTER:

Mr.

Halloran,

am going

have

variety

areas

where

going

asking

this

witness

if,

indeed,

said

certain

statements at

that

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Perhaps

can

have

continuing

objection?

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Sure.

And

it is

the minutes;

correct?

MR. PORTER:

Correct.

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Just

confirming

what

had

stated

the minutes

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MR.

PORTER:

Correct.

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OFFICER:

Mr. Hopp,

do you

feel comfortable

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also

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THE HEARING OFFICER:

That’s correct.

totally agree with

you,

Mr. Dombrowski.

MR.

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anything

beyond

that is irrelevant.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

I totally agree.

But I will

allow Mr. Porter to ask the

question,

but I direct the

witness not

answer.

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PORTER:

What was in the material given

to you

from Mr.

Roth?

MR. HOPP: Objection. Privileged.

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Sustained.

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PORTER:

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you

voiced these concerns

that you

did not have

the

opportunity

review

this

material on the very night that

you

were there

deliberate, Mr. Roth had no explanation

for

you;

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Objection.

Deliberative

process.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Read

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question

back, please.

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the record

was

read

the reporter.)

THE HEARING

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Mr.

Porter?

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That goes

only

the

heart

of the procedure

of the matter,

not the

deliberative

process

on the substantive

criteria.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

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know, I

agree

with Mr. Hopp.

Sustained.

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PORTER:

Isn’t it true

at Page

18 of that same

transcript

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“I mean,

are we

just

going

come up

one consensus?

And

what if we don’t

have

consensus?

Are

you

just

going

make an

ordinance to

vote on

yes

or no?”

Did you

say

that?

THE HEARING

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answer.

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Mr. Besco also indicated that

he would like

hear

from

Clark and Derke Price, and

you

indicated at

that

time, “I’m sure if we held their checks

until

tonight, that they would have shown up”?

don’t

recall saying it. But if it’s

in the

record,

yes.

You were angry that

Mr. Clark and

Mr. Price

were not there

stand behind their

recommendations

in favor of this

application;

correct?

MR.

HOPP:

Objection. Deliberative

process.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

You know,

sustained. I think the board

can infer from

the

witnessT

testimony whether or not he was

angry,

and from the minutes.

MR. PORTER:

Were you

concerned that they

were not

there to

stand behind the recommendation?

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HOPP: Objection. Deliberative

process.

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And, ultimately, Mayor Burd informed

you

that no,

you

weren’t going to

through

each

criterion and have a

deliberation over each

criterion.

Rather, every city council member was

just

free

discuss whatever they wanted to

discuss; is that correct?

Yes.

You also explicitly told

Mayor Burd

that

you

wanted

read the

expert’s reports that

had been

given

to you at

Page

98,

Line 13, and she

responded,

“The only thing I can say

you

that

you

need to

have

a little

confidence in your own

opinions.”

Isn’t

that correct?

Yes.

Ultimately, you

indicated

Page 97,

Line 4, “It’s

circus. This is not

deliberation.

Isn’t

that right?

Yes.

Isn’t it

then true that, ultimately,

Mayor

Burd told

you to just

thumb through

the

material provided

the

applicant, Mr. Clark,

Mr. Price,

and Mr. Roth?

Page

No, I

don’t

recall

anything

about

thumbing

through.

you would

take

look

at Page

102,

starting

at, say,

Line

14, “Well,

you could

read

this

whole binder

tomorrow

night

8:00,

that’s

question.”

Mayor

Burd

said,

“Like

I said,

don’t

know

how

fast you

read.

But

you didn’t

have

wait

until

the

21st

to send

this

to us

either.”

And

then

you

responded,

“Neither

did

Mr. Clark,

Mr.

Roth

or Mr.

Price.”

To which

she

responded,

“No,

they didn’t

have

to do

that.

So perhaps

can

use

our

own

judgment

and

thumb

through

this

and come

with

solution.”

Isn’t

that

correct?

Correct.

You have

doubt

that

many

of the

city

council

members,

who

voted

this

application,

have

day jobs;

is that

correct?

Yes.

And

you

would agree

that

is highly

unlikely

that

all of

that material

could

have been

reviewed

those

individuals

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running for re-election,

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you

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member of

Valerie

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knowledge that -- strike that.

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you

also understand that Wally

Werderich was somehow involved in Ms. Burd’s

campaign committee?

Page 77

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sure.

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as I

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understand

that

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strike

that.

was

public

knowledge

that

Valerie

Burd was

associated

with

anti-landfill

groups;

is that

correct?

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Objection.

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for

speculation as to

what

public

knowledge.

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Mr.

Porter?

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asking

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understands

the

public

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was.

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I’m

going

sustain

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you believe

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Valerie

Burd

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associated

with

anti-landfill

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however.

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belief

whether

they were

qualified?

MR.

PORTER:

Yep.

THE

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How

would he

know?

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has answered

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Your

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This

testimony

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OFFICER:

Okay.

I’ll

allow

under an

offer of proof.

THE WITNESS:

Repeat

the question?

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considered

Larry

Clark and

Derke

Price

qualified

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reports

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objection. And it’s sustained, but we are

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you

may answer the question, if

able.

THE WITNESS: Well, it’s kind

of hard

answer,

because

we weren’t

just

judging on

one criteria. So, basically, what I hear him

asking me is

it was

just Criterion

1 only,

would I have voted for the landfill.

MR. PORTER:

That’s

much better

question.

So I’m going to ask that question.

MR. HOPP:

I’m going

to object to

the

reformulated question. That is not

what

happened.

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speculative. If they were asked

vote

criterion

criterion, which they were not,

how would he voted.

Now you’re asking him

speculate

two

years

later.

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Yeah.

Mr. Porter?

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THE HEARING OFFICER:

Neither do

BY MR.

PORTER:

Did

you

receive

box of materials

that

contained the record and exhibits from

the

application hearing?

I received

what everybody else

received the City,

far

the application

and the

presentation from the petitioner.

And

did you

discard that box without

reading

it? Or any of the material contained

therein?

If it was what I

got

-- what I think

you’re saying from the City that

we all

got,

no, I

actually still

have some of it in my garage,

probably.

MR. PORTER:

I have nothing further.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Thank you,

Mr. Porter.

Mr. Hopp?

MR. HOPP: Just a

few questions.

CROSS-EXAMINATION

BY MR. HOPP:

Mr. Munns,

how long have

you

been an

alderman?

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up a

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REPORTER:

Please don’t talk

on top of each

other.

MR. PORTER:

I’m aware of that,

which

is why I

beg

the -

THE HEARING OFFICER:

My understanding

of the question is what do you do

with

boisterous crowd. Do you reject

them, tell

them

settle

down, or what?

MR. HOPP: That’s the

question.

MR.

PORTER: No objection

that

question.

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

You may answer.

BY THE

WITNESS:

As has happened

many times before,

you

know, we have

police officers stationed

throughout

the room. And if

somebody

gets out

control, I think

couple of times it happened, the

person is

removed from the room. It’s

very calm and

thereTs

been no concerns

over that

myself or any

other

aldermen I talked

to.

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have

process

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delving into what this individual reviewed

order

come

his decisions,

exactly what

I have been forbidden to do.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Could you read

the question back, please, of Mr.

Hopps?

(WHEREUPON,

the record was

read

the reporter.)

THE HEARING OFFICER:

That’s in the

record.

MR.

PORTER:

don’t know that it is,

but --

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Well, I think,

yeah.

MR.

PORTER:

Whether or not he was

there,

I don’t know that that is

in the

record.

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

Well, the record

will

reflect which aldermen

were

which landfill

meeting.

MR. HOPP: That’s

correct.

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

That’s correct.

I think he can answer without

more.

Overruled.

Page

MR.

HOPP:

Let’s

talk

about

Mayor

Burd’s

signs.

You

said

that

you’d

saw

some

Mayor

Burd’s

signs

placed

proximity

anti-landfill

signs;

you

remember

that?

don’t

know

was

her

signs

theirs

hers.

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yes,

they

were

proximity.

that

were

not

signs?

Yes.

you

know

who

put

Mayor

Burd’s

signs

around

town?

No.

you

know

what

they

were

instructed

with

respect

where

put

them?

No.

MR.

HOPP:

THE

HEARING

MR.

PORTER:

THE

HEARING

THE

WITNESS:

Yes.

Did

you

see

her

signs

other

places

proximity

anti-landfill

That’s

all

have.

OFFICER:

Mr.

Porter?

redirect,

thank

you.

OFFICER:

Alderman,

you

Page 98

may

step

down.

(WHEREUPON,

the

witness

was

excused.)

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

And

while

we’re

still

the record,

made

a comment

with

the

city

administrator,

why

did

move

from

California

here,

and

I meant

the

climate.

didn’t

want

any

disrespect

for

Yorkville

the State

Illinois.

strictly

meant

the

climate,

before

it’s

taken

out of

context.

MR.

PORTER:

have no

objection

you

want

to strike

it.

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Okay.

MR. HOPP:

Can

we take

five

minutes?

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Sure.

Ten.

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the

record.

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recess

was

had.)

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

All

right.

We’re

back

the record.

It’s approximately

five

minutes

to 11:00.

Fox

Moraine,

you’re

still

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MR. PORTER:

Thank you,

Mr.

Hearing

Officer.

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OFFICER:

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Understood.

May I

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Sure.

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MR. PORTER: I don’t agree that it’s

vague.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Yeah,

you

can

answer it.

Objection overruled.

You can answer it.

BY THE WITNESS:

compared

to other

meetings on

landfill issues, it’s the worse, most unruly crowd

I’ve ever seen.

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Objection,

Your Honor. He’s offering opinions now

as to

what he thinks was unruly.

It’s totally subjective, it’s

totally self-serving. And I believe

when

you

granted our motion in limine

yesterday,

you

said

you

would not allow speculation or

conjecture.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

That’s correct.

Mr. Porter?

MR. PORTER:

I’m going

now ask

follow-ups of specific examples of that

conduct.

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is this all about? Fox Moraine

had

opportunity,

which they took,

ask certain

counsel members whether or not they

received

threatening phone calls. What does

the fact

that Attorney Price

is commenting on that

have

to do

with an unruly nature of the

hearing? We’re going

be here

next week --

until next week.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

That’s

fine.

Mr. Porter?

MR. PORTER:

He’s interrupting an

argument in weight of the evidence that

the

witness is testifying to as

unruly conduct.

can

that in his briefs all he

wants.

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

It’s not unruly

conduct.

MR. PORTER:

Then that’s

what

you

argue in your

brief.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Well,

the Board

will

able to decide.

Right now Mr. Moose

is just

reading from the transcript

of the

hearings.

And I’ve sustained your objections

regarding his personal

opinion

as to

why they

Page

116

did this or

refusing

to do

that. So

objection

overruled for

now.

But I

would ask Mr.

IDevin

please

my rulings.

THE WITNESS:

March 10th,

2007, Page

270,

Mr.

Mueller

is speaking

here.

‘Mr. Clark,

have

housekeeping

matter before

that motion.

We would

ask the hearing

officer direct,

whoever

placed the

inflammatory

sign

in the

back of the

hearing room

not to

bring them

back

the next

meeting.

We think

the applicant

also

entitled

fundamental

fairness,

that

means

that

inflammatory

signs,

which purported

make

representations

of fact

that have

nothing

to do

with

this

application, shouldn

part of the

hearing

room.

BY MR.

PORTER:

Anything else?

Oh, yeah.

This is

March 19th,

this is

Mr. Milliron

speaking.

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

What page,

Mr. Moose?

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Art Prochaska, “Quit lying

to us.

1’

Page 66 of the same

day.

“Art,

you

are lying

to us

again. This is not the first

time I’ve caught

you

in a lie. Now I

want

see”

-- and then

applause

breaks

out.

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

We renew our -- I’d

just

object again,

Mr. Hearing

Officer.

MR. PORTER:

We’re willing to

show --

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

A member

of the

audience

was taking issue with something the

mayor said. Mr. Moose is -- in his

opinion,

that was

unruly or disruptive.

Again, all he’s doing is

reading

sentence or

two

out

of the hearing

transcript.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Okay.

Again,

your objection

is noted on the record. All

Mr. Moose is doing is reading

from the

transcript.

The Board will infer,

I’m sure,

properly

from what

he’s doing presently.

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Well, Fox

Moraine

will

citing to

whatever it will

citing

Page

120

to,

was brief.

Why

is it

in the

nature

admissible

testimony

hearing

regarding

fundamental

fairness

for

someone

read what

they’re

going

citing

in a brief?

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Well,

he’s

trying

support

his

personal

objections,

which

allowed.

And

I’ve

ruled.

know

you

disagree,

but

respectfully

ruled

and

will proceed,

for

while

anyway.

MR. PORTER:

To avoid

continued

interruption,

ITm

than willing

agree

an ongoing

objection

this

reading

from

the

transcript.

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

Well,

for

example,

the

comment

about

the

sign

in the

back

of the

hearing

room,

that’s

fair

game.

didn’t

object

that.

But I’ll

object

where

see

fit.

MR.

PORTER:

Okay.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Yeah,

you

know,

-Mr. Porter,

I don’t

think

some

respect

Mr.

Dombrowski

correct.

I don’t

think

have

to go

through

whole

litany

this

stuff.

I think

the

them,

and they

can,

well

Mr. Moose.

this is

going

MR.

PORTER:

what

Mr.

Moose

THE WITNESS:

MR.

PORTER:

along

THE

WITNESS:

We’ve

spent

time

the

objections

than

the

testimony.

THE

WITNESS:

Page

85 of the

same

date

begins

with

applause.

Mr. Miliron

then

goes

say.

“What

have

read

to you

are

some

very

incriminating

City

documents

that

show

collusion,

bias,

and

probably

already

made

their

decision

well

beyond

that.

Alderman,

your

mayor

has lied.

donTt

know

who

greedier,

our

mayor,

the

City,

or Mr.

Hamman.T

Page

89 of

that same

day.

“Why

are

doing

five

hours

testimony

a day and

being

rushed

the moderator

chosen

Art

Prochaska.

There

was

illegal

vote

the

COW

meeting

late

summer

2006,

which

the Kendall

County

record

had

Page

121

Board

has it

front

you

know,

read

just

I don’t

know

how

long

on.

Two

or three

minutes

indicating.

Without

objections.

If we

could

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I’ll object.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Overruled.

MR. PORTER:

I’m trying

THE WITNESS:

Yes.

MR. PORTER:

And would

you

also

agree that

not

every

outburst from

the

public

is contained

in that

transcript?

That

true.

What

was the

affect on --

strike that.

Did

you see

an affect

the

city

council as to

these outbursts

and statements

from

the public?

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

I’ll

object.

He’s

offering

here opinion

testimony.

goes

into

speculation

and

conjecture.

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Mr. Porter,

think I’ve

already ruled

on that.

MR.

PORTER:

I’m asking

for his

observation,

Mr. Halloran.

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Well,

you asked

for

the affect.

Were they put

sleep

were they nervous?

Page

124

MR.

PORTER:

Did

you

observe -- I

asked what he saw.

MR. PORTER:

Did

you

see an

affect on the city

council?

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Same

objections.

THE HEARING

OFFICER: Letts

see

where

this

question

goes,

please.

THE WITNESS:

Yes.

BY MR.

PORTER:

I think there was

an intimidation,

chilling affect?

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

How can he testify

that?

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Sustained.

Mr.

Porter, this is exactly what I

ruled that we cannot

get

into.

MR.

PORTER:

Mr. Halloran -

THE HEARING OFFICER:

He has no,

you

know, mind-reading

abilities. His testimony,

I am

lay opinion, is supposed to

assist

the Board. And I 1

dont

think this helps at

all

come

an intelligent decision,

Page 125

Mr. Moose

testifying what he thought,

whether

they

intimidated or not. I

will not allow

it.

MR. HOPP:

I move

strike

the

answer.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

I would ask the

Board to

disregard.

MR. PORTER:

I would

ask that it

remain in the record as

an offer of proof and

that I

allowed

one follow-up question --

THE HEARING OFFICER:

I deny your

offer of proof.

BY MR.

PORTER:

What do you base

that opinion?

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Same

objection.

Where are we going

here?

‘7

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

He may

answer if

he’s

able. We’ll stay

tuned.

THE WITNESS:

Body language.

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

Now he’s an expert on

body

language.

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

Yes.

lot of

people are.

Page

126

Objection

overruled.

MR.

PORTER:

you

mean

objection

sustained?

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Well,

think

made

objection,

and

said

overruled.

was

objecting

body

language,

believe.

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

Yes.

MR.

PORTER:

Did

you

mean

sustained?

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

don’t

think

so.

may

continue

with

his

testimony.

MR.

PORTER:

Okay.

MR.

PORTER:

Anything

else,

other

than

body

language?

Just

their

demeanor,

their

body

language,

how

they

reacted

when

crowd

broke

out,

and

especially

how

some

the

intimidating

individuals

the

crowd

when

they

yelled

them

could

see

the

reaction

the

individuals

the

Board.

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

Same

objections.

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Overruled.

MR.

PORTER:

have

heard

some

testimony

from

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(WHEREUPON,

certain document

was

marked

Fox Moraine

Exhibit

No. 31

for identification,

of 4/22/09.)

BY MR. PORTER:

Let

show

you

what I have had

marked

FM31.

MR. PORTER:

I apologize,

no copies.

ItT

just

the ordinance

from Fox Moraine.

will provide

copies

later this

afternoon.

MR. HOPP:

The siting

ordinance?

MR.

PORTER:

Correct.

BY MR. PORTER:

Let me

show

you

what

I have

had marked

FM31. What is

that

document?

This appears

to be

the

siting

ordinance.

MR. PORTER:

I move admission

of the

Fox

Moraine --

I’m sorry the

City

Yorkville

siting ordinance.

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Well,

we don’t

know

this

true and

correct

copy.

The

siting

ordinance is

already in the

record

appeal.

Page 129

But

ahead.

MR. PORTER:

Does that mean

there’s no

objection?

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

Assuming this is a

true and correct

copy.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Okay.

I didn’t

hear your moving.

Are

you

moving this into

evidence?

MR. PORTER:

Yes.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Accepted.

(WHEREUPON, said

document,

previously marked FM31, for

identification,

was offered

and

received in

evidence.)

BY MR.

PORTER:

Is there -- strike

that.

You reviewed this ordinance?

I have.

And was this ordinance followed

relation

the underlying hearing?

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Objection.

This is

legal document. This is asking

now for

legal

opinion

whether the procedures

the hearing were followed according to

this

Page 130

document.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Could

you

read

that back, please,

Mr. Porter’s question?

(WHEREUPON, the

record was

read

the reporter.)

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

You know, I’m

going

allow him

answer, if

he’s able,

he’s

been around the block.

BY THE WITNESS:

No.

BY MR. PORTER:

How

so?

The provision in the ordinance

-- I

could refer

copy?

Absolutely.

MR. PORTER:

Well, may the witness

refer

his?

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

Yes.

BY THE WITNESS:

This

is under Hearing Procedures C1D.

And in portion ID it reads,

“No recess may extend

past

five

days, except

due to

the availability

suitable forum for

the

hearing.”

And between April

5th and April

19th no hearings were

conducted, which

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MR. DOMBROWSKI:

I’ll renew

our

objection,

Your

Honor.

He’s offering

legal

opinion.

They can

argue whatever

they want

in their

brief, but

he’s offering

here

legal

opinion.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

don’t

think

there’s

legal

opinion.

He’s reading

he’s

read what

the ordinance

requires

and

he’s

just saying

what they didn’t

do.

don’t think

he’s testifying

any

kind

ramifications

of doing or

not doing,

so...

MR. PORTER:

What

exactly --

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Overruled.

MR. PORTER:

was

done, rather

than

those

three

required tasks?

The

City denied

with

conditions.

Which was not

allowed

either

Mr. Ross’

instructions on

the 23rd, nor

was

allowed within

the ordinance.

Anything

else in the

ordinance,

Mr. Moose?

Yes.

Page

133

What?

This

Hearing

Procedures

C, No.

3D.

And

part

D reads,

“The

city

council

shall

consider

any

such timely

written

comments

making

its

final

determination

concerning the

petition.”

And

why

you state

that

ordinance

wasn’t

followed?

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

Objection.

Deliberative

process.

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

I agree.

you

want

rephrase

the

question,

Mr.

Porter?

Sustained.

BY MR.

PORTER:

Why wasn’t

that

section

followed?

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

Same

objection.

MR.

PORTER:

Strike

that.

How

you

believe

that

section

wasn’t

followed?

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

Same objections.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Yeah,

sustained.

think you’re

going

have

rephrase

the

question,

Mr.

Porter,

you

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Mr. Moose,

you

may answer.

BY THE WITNESS:

Based on the transcripts of the 23rd,

May

23rd, I’m sorry.

BY MR. PORTER:

what

respect? Perhaps I can

rephrase the question.

Are you referring to

the fact that

substantial

material, including 1,400

pages

of the

text

was submitted

the city council and

objections were raised by members of city

council

their

opportunity

review it?

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Same objection.

Now

we weren’t allowed

to get

into this.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Yeah, I

agree.

Sustained.

MR. PORTER:

Nothing further.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Thank

you,

Mr. Porter.

Mr. Dombrowski?

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you

were in charge of

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running

for what.

I didn’t know when people -- I

don’t know when people campaign for office, when

they

start,

they stop. And

I know it’s a --

could

be a

big issue within

municipality,

but

don’t follow politics like that. Especially local

politics.

But

you

knew the elections would

taking place well before the 180-day deadline;

right?

What

do you

mean “well before”?

Well,

you

filed on December 1st, 2006;

correct?

I don’t think

so.

When did we file?

December 1st, did

you say?

Yes.

Or was it December 6th? I don’t

recall if it was the first or the 6th,

but

the

beginning of December.

You knew that Yorkville would

holding elections approximately four and

half

months after

you

filed

the

app1icatioi; right?

Correct.

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have filed its

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Any

legal requirement?

Well,

once

noticed, we had a

particular obligation

file it within the notice

period.

Right. But you had

no legal

obligation

file that notice when

you

did;

correct?

Are

you

asking

for

legal opinion?

MR. PORTER:

I’m going

to object at

this point. I mean, this is exactly what

Mr. Dombrowski

took issue

with

previously,

he’s asking for legal opinion.

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

And he

was

allowed to

answer those questions.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Not

as directly.

YouTre

asking

about

39.2, you’re asking

about

his legal ability.

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

I’m asking --

THE HEARING OFFICER:

I will allow it,

Mr. Dombrowski, but -- yes.

Yes. Mr. Porter

didn’t nearly touch on the legal

ramifications

asz

you

are

at present, but

will

allow

it.

Page

142

BY MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Did

you

know

of any legal

obligation

that

forced Fox

Moraine to file

its application

December 1st,

2006?

Yes.

And

that

the

notice

you

just

referred to?

Yes.

Beyond

that --

YouTre

asking

me a

legal

opinion for

some --

asking you

m trying

understand

the question.

-- if you

know

of any

legal

obligation

the question.

Anywhere?

Yes.

No, I’m

not tracking

legal issues

for

the client.

your

answer is

no?

No. My

answer is I’m

not

tracking --

I’m

not aware of

any.

You’re

not aware of

any;

correct?

I’m not aware

of any.

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MR. MUELLER:

I want

object.

think Mr. Dombrowski is misstating

the facts.

The meeting at

the

high

school was

City

meeting,

it wasn’t our meeting.

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

I’m not

misstating

facts, I’m asking for a --

MR. MUELLER: We have the transcript.

You’re trying

confuse

the witness.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

You can

rehabilitate on

redirect or when it’s your

time. Thank

you,

Mr. Mueller.

BY MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Well, if it wasn’t at

the high school,

was it

the Beecher

Center?

I don’t remember where

it was

at.

All

the

meetings that were held

within two blocks of

where we’re

sitting, and I don’t remember

one

night

what

particular venue I was in

versus the next

night.

But

you do

remember

that it was held

at a

City of Yorkville

building?

It was some government

building. I

don’t

know if it’s owned by

the City of Yorkville,

the library district,

the park district,

the -- and

Page

146

I don’t

know who

owned it.

you

remember

Mr.

Parrish

speaking

this

meeting?

remember him

interrupting

the

meeting, yes.

you remember

Mr.

Miliron speaking

the meeting?

Vaguely.

And,

Mr.

Miliron,

Mr. Parrish,

you’ve

referred

these

two gentlemen

part of

the small

number of ignorant

people who

took

over the town.

that

correct?

Can

you

show me

that transcript

that

you

just

read from?

Sure.

Let

show

you,

Mr.

Moose,

discovery

deposition.

I will refer

you

the

bottom

of -- well,

the bottom of

Page 16

and onto

Page

17.

I don’t

-- I think

you’re

misinterpreting

my testimony.

Well, I’m

not

misinterpreting,

I’m

asking you

question.

Okay. Then reask

the

question.

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attending any

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allow it,

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ask Mr. Moose

answer

the

question. If he wants --

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Can

you

reask the question?

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Thank

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Mr. Dombrowski.

Mr. Porter?

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questions.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Thank

you

Mr. Porter.

Mr. Moose,

you

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down.

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Before we

off

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anybody from the public

want

make

comment, statement?

Now is your

opportunity to do so.

We are going

probably take --

after I talk to

counsel, probably an hour

lunch shortly.

See

any hands?

Page 152

And for

the

record, I think we

lost

about

five of the members of the

public.

Hopefully they’re

their jobs.

All right.

We’re off the record.

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recess

was had.)

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Good

afternoon.

We’re

back on the

record.

It’s approximately 12:55, thanks

for your promptness. And I

had forgotten

mention, I

just

was

reminded again via the

radio, it’s Earth Day. So Happy

Earth Day

everyone.

In any event, Fox Moraine

still

in their

case

and chief,

and they have the

floor.

MR. MUELLER:

We will

call Alderman

Besco.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Hi.

Good

afternoon.

You can

just

sit down.

Have

a seat,

raise your

right

hand, and Sharon

will swear

you

in.

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MR. MUELLER:

I only have a

single

copy

of this, and I’m only

presenting this

the

witness

refresh his recollection.

Do I need

mark it,

Mr. Halloran?

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Yeah, why don’t

you

mark it,

just to be

formal about

it.

Thanks.

MR. MUELLER:

All

right.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

I have a sticker

over here, Mr. Mueller.

MR. MUELLER:

We found it.

Thank

you,

sir.

And I believe this is going

to be

Fox Moraine No. 32.

(WHEREUPON,

certain document was

marked Fox Moraine Exhibit

No. 32 for identification, as

4/22/09.)

MR. MUELLER: And I’ll show this to

counsel.

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THE HEARING OFFICER:

Could you

spell

that, please?

THE WITNESS:

believe

itTs

G-I-L-S-O-N.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Thank

you.

MR. MUELLER:

Did the behavior of the opponents,

once

the landfill hearings started,

improve or

pretty much

stay at

that same

level?

Once the

landfill hearings started, I

believe

that Larry Clark had done

very good job as

far

expressing how the meetings

were

to be

run.

And I dont

believe he

accepted a

lot of

that

outspoken nature compared to

what was going on in

the council

meetings.

So the council meetings

were actually

worse than the

hearings?

Oh, yeah.

MR.

MUELLER:

That’s all I have,

Alderman, thank

you

very much.

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

Thank

you,

Mr.

Mueller.

Mr. Hopp?

MR.

HOPP:

Just a

few questions.

Page 165

CROSS-EXAMINATION

BY MR.

HOPP:

Alderman

Besco, let’s

talk

about

Mr. Price. Do

you

know whether Mr. Price was the

legislative counsel or counsel for the staff for the

landfill

siting

hearings?

I believe he was brought for the

staff.

you

know

for a

fact what his

initial appointment was?

I believe it was attorney for the

staff.

you

know if, prior

being staff

attorney,

had

any position

all with the City?

No.

Do you know

who

called who,

whether

Mr.

Price called the mayor, or whether the mayor

called Mr. Price

talk about that initial

engagement?

I don’t know who initiated the

engagement.

you knowzwhether

Mr. Price had

prior relationship

with

City

Attorney John Wyatt

before he was engaged

the City?

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say about

him

that

time?

That

he was wonderful.

MR. MUELLER:

That’s

all.

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

Thank you,

Alderman.

MR. HOPP:

Just

recross

on Mr. Price.

RECROSS-EXAMINATION

MR. HOPP:

you

ever remember

Mr. Price being

recommended

as a

legislative

attorney

for the

City

and

that being voted

down by

the

City?

It’s possible,

but

don’t remember

that.

I don’t recall

that.

MR. HOPP:

That’s all I

have.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Thanks.

Any

redirect?

MR. MUELLER:

No.

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

Thank

you,

Alderman,

you

may

step

down.

THE WITNESS:

Thank

you.

(WHEREUPON,

the witness

was

excused.)

THE

HEARING OFFICER:

Mr.

Mueller?

MR.

MUELLER:

We’ll

call

Mr. Murphy.

Page 168

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Mr. Murphy?

MR. MUELLER:

This

will

our final

witness.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Okay.

Thank

you, Mr. Mueller.

You know

the

drill, raise your

right hand and Sharon will swear

you

in.

(WHEREUPON,

the witness

was duly

sworn.)

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MURPHY,

called

a witness herein, having been first duly

sworn,

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DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MR. MUELLER:

State your full name, please.

Charles

Murphy.

And, Mr. Murphy, what is your business

address?

805

Manley Road,

St.

Charles,

Illinois.

What is your current position with

Fox

Moraine?

I am the project manager responsible

for basically all aspects of the project.

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stricken.

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THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Yeah,

half

was

and

half

it wasn’t,

calculations.

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you

know...

MR.

MUELLER:

think it

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ordinary

observations.

I’m

not offering

as an

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human

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know

what

cackling

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taunting

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THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

Well,

cackling

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taunting

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differently

than

I think

Mr. Murphy

testified

that

he felt

the

Board

members

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intimidated,

or the

counsel

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think that’s

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not

allow

be gotten

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MUELLER:

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I don’t

intend

to,

sir.

THE

HEARING

OFFICER:

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I would

ask

the

Board

review

comments

and review

Mr.

Dornbrowski’s

and

I’ll let

it stand.

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proceed.

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MUELLER:

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Murphy,

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continue their line of questioning

the process of

the annexation or objections

the host agreement

or the competitive comparisons of those

documents.

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Mr. Hearing Officer,

I renew the objections and again ask that

that answer

stricken.

Mr. Murphy’s

testimony, he mentioned that city council

members seemed

acquiescing

the

objectors’ comments, and that

there seemed

be support

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objectors’ position --

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Yeah, those two

I agree

with

you, Mr. Dombrowski,

and I

ask

the Board

disregard those comments.

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MUELLER:

Mr. Murphy, what I

got out

of that is

there was frequent applause and cheering,

for things

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Aldermen

Spears

and Burd?

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Objection

leading.

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putting words

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mouth.

MR. MUELLER:

I’m trying

get him

summarize and move along.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Overruled.

You

may answer, if you’re able.

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you

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was filed on

December 1st,

2000

well, let me back up for a

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informational

meetings of its own in

Yorkville?

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activities,

there

was

multiple occasions

that they

were threatened

with and actually

removed

from the

meeting.

During

the siting

hearing

process, did

any members

of the

city council

resign

their

position?

Alderman

Wolfer did.

And

you

know

why

Alderman

Wolfer

resigned?

MR.

DOMBROWSKI:

Objection.

Calls for

speculation.

MR. MUELLER:

I’m asking

if he

knows.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

If he

knows, he

can answer.

BY THE WITNESS:

Actually,

I had a

conversation

with

Alderman

Wolfer

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

I will

object

hearsay.

THE

WITNESS:

- after

his --

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Hold on.

Mr.

Mueller, we’ve

got

objection

on the floor

hearsay.

Page 196

MR.

MUELLER:

Well,

I think,

Mr.

Halloran,

that you’re

not

held

strict

rules

of evidence,

and

you’ve

made that

clear

previous hearsay

objections.

It’s more

the general

liability

evidence

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look

at.

the extent

that

it’s

hearsay,

it would still

be subject

cross-examination

Mr.

Murphy and it

would

go to

the weight,

think,

rather

than

admissibility

in this

context.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

Well, you

know,

think in

this

case

think

-- you’re

talking

about

the

relaxed evidentiary

rules

that

sometimes

we follow,

I think

it -- or

whether

not

prudent person

would

rely

upon.

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know, maybe

the Board

little

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I am, I

don’t

know.

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think in this

case

I’m

going

sustain

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Dombrowski’s

hearsay

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Were

you

aware,

Mr. Murphy,

of any

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For what we

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we had

heard

multiple statements of theirs in

open city council

meetings that

were

in?

Thatts

correct.

What was the

reaction in the demeanor

Aldermen Burd and Spears toward the applicants

throughout

that hearing?

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Objection.

Conjecture and speculation.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Could

you

read

the

question back please?

(WHEREUPON,

the record was

read

the reporter.)

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Mr.

Mueller?

Your response

Mr.

Dombrowski’s objection?

MR. MUELLER:

Number one,

I’m asking

him what he observed about

their demeanor

toward him and toward the applicant

and the

witnesses. And number

two, I think that door

has

been opened

Mr. Dombrowski,

and

Mr. Murphy ought

have

an opportunity

explain.

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224

said,

it was

a -- it’s

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sword

when

you

move

disqualify

someone.

MR.

DOMBROWSKT:

Well,

demeanor

very

calls

for conjecture,

speculation,

and also

some

very

self-serving

testimony.

MR.

MUELLER:

I can

just

add

one

thing,

Mr.

Halloran.

You

don’t

need

to be

psychiatrist

observe

demeanor.

That’s

something

that

a lot

five year

old

children

can

tell.

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can

tell

from

their

mother’s

demeanor

whether

she’s

angry

or not.

That’s

part

the

ordinary

knowledge

that

people

have

in life.

THE

HEARING

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I’ve never

excluded

based

demeanor,

Mr.

Mueller.

don’t

know

if you’re

talking

about

and

my psychologist

remark

earlier,

but...

MR. MUELLER:

No, sir.

wasn’t

talking

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that.

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HEARING

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agree with

you.

Mr. Dombrowski?

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observed

was that the momentum that got

her into

that

position was more

be of

the nature against

than it was

supporting

or supporting the

project. So

the demeanor was maybe to be put

negative

than it was

to be

positive towards Fox

Moraine.

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Ill

renew my

objection and ask that

that answer

stricken.

There are no facts in that

statement.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Mr. Murphy did

get

into his

feelings,

opposed to

demeanor. I know 7

there s a

fine line. But

if you

could

just

confine the witness to your

question and

type

questions,

Mr. Mueller, it

would

much

appreciated.

MR. MUELIjER:

I wish I

could confine

the witness.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Yeah, objection

sustained, because of

some parts in there

that I

find objectionable. So I would ask

the Board

disregard, and

we’ll try again.

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MUELLER:

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BY MR. MUELLER:

The next time the city council met

after the new aldermen were

seated

on May 8,

was

May

23rd; correct?

I believe that’s correct.

And what happened that day speaks for

itself as reflected in the transcript;

right?

That’s correct.

MR. MUELLER:

That all I have.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Thank

you,

Mr.

Mueller.

Mr. Dombrowski, anything further?

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Nothing further.

THE HEARING OFFICER:

Nothing further.

You may

step

down, Mr. Murphy.

Thank

you.

THE WITNESS:

Thank you.

(WHEREUPON, the witness was

excused.)

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off the

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second.

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THE HEARING

OFFICER:

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you.

Mr. Dombrowski?

MR. DOMBROWSKI:

Nothing more.

THE HEARING

OFFICER:

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step

down, sir. Thank you so

much.

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does

anybody else

want

make public comment

before we adjourn for

today

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Yorkville’s

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hand and affix

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Cook County,

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My commission expires

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